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Hello, i just got a Jam 128 MB ram. i noticed that the bluetooth icon is grey, when clicked it says "there is no bluetooth hardware installed on this deice". so i decided to check for a new rom, however since its a secinf hand device, (What i can afford) i dont have acces ti imate's updates, so i was wondering if someone can help. I searched the forum only to reach a dead end. if anyone happens to know what i might do, or if this is a common problem or i am in serious trouble, please let me know.
Thanks in advance
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first_major said:
Hello, i just got a Jam 128 MB ram. i noticed that the bluetooth icon is grey, when clicked it says "there is no bluetooth hardware installed on this deice". so i decided to check for a new rom, however since its a secinf hand device, (What i can afford) i dont have acces ti imate's updates, so i was wondering if someone can help. I searched the forum only to reach a dead end. if anyone happens to know what i might do, or if this is a common problem or i am in serious trouble, please let me know.
Thanks in advance
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That is indeed a rather common problem, but don't worry - the hardware is not defective, it's just that the software gets confused sometimes.
My Magician had the same problem. I found that when too many programs were trying to initialise themselves at boot time (soft reset), the Bluetooth software timed out and got confused. The main culprit was MS Voice Command, which takes ages to initialise. If you have that on your Jam, let me know, and I'll describe a trick to avoid loading it at boot time.
Other potential candidates are huge Today plug-ins. If you have any such, try disabling them. However, it may happen that your Bluetooth stack is so confused that it needs a hard reset to get back on its feet - I can't prove it, but I had the feeling that on my Magician the Bluetooth hardware and Bluetooth stack states had become out of sync, and not even a soft reset could get them back into agreement.
Anyway, a hard reset always cures the problem. Just be careful with what programs you install!
Cheers
Daniel
Thanks for the quick and informative reply.
to mention, i have tried both both hard and soft reset with no luck.
ill try diabling some plugins and others. however in my case even in a soft or hard reset it dosent work, i think i need a new rom. what do u say.
my current is
1.12.00 WWE
Radio 1.12.10
ExtROm 1.12.167 WWE
do these versions mean anything?
first_major said:
Thanks for the quick and informative reply.
to mention, i have tried both both hard and soft reset with no luck.
ill try diabling some plugins and others. however in my case even in a soft or hard reset it dosent work, i think i need a new rom. what do u say.
my current is
1.12.00 WWE
Radio 1.12.10
ExtROm 1.12.167 WWE
do these versions mean anything?
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Are you using the new bluetooth stack?
I updated my ROM from 1.01 to 1.12 yesterday and I got that message once after I installed the new stack but everything still works fine.
am sorry, but how can i know what bluetooth stack i am using?
can u send me a the stack or patch or any file i might need?
Thanks in adavance
first_major said:
am sorry, but how can i know what bluetooth stack i am using?
can u send me a the stack or patch or any file i might need?
Thanks in adavance
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The new bluetoth stack, the daddy, the Pope Jon Paul etc is here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=33532
It'll change your life.
thanks just downloaded it and installled it. it shows a new BT icon on the top, but still didnt solve my problem.
is there any place to redownload the rom u r using, maybe the rom i am using is installed corrouptly.
first_major said:
thanks just downloaded it and installled it. it shows a new BT icon on the top, but still didnt solve my problem.
is there any place to redownload the rom u r using, maybe the rom i am using is installed corrouptly.
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So you get an error message. After that, does the Bluetooth work at all?
What have you tried doing to test it?
nope, it dosent. it just gives the message and u have to press OK. when u do so, nothing changes, bluetooth still grey and off.
first_major said:
nope, it dosent. it just gives the message and u have to press OK. when u do so, nothing changes, bluetooth still grey and off.
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When did this start? What did you install?
didnt install anyting, i just bought the device. USED (what i can afford for). i think i need a rom
first_major said:
didnt install anyting, i just bought the device. USED (what i can afford for). i think i need a rom
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Can you take it back to where you bought it? Was it made clear that bluetooth wasn't working before you paid?
Back up your data and try a soft and hard reset.
i dont think i can do that, anyways take a look at this, i think its a rom issue. all i need is a rom/patch. but i dont have access to imate site.
http://www.expansys.com.mt/forumthread.asp?code=I-MATE_JAM&thread=535
all i need is the rom
Have you tried this?
Workarounds are to perform a soft reset or switch in and out of flight mode.
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first_major said:
i dont think i can do that, anyways take a look at this, i think its a rom issue. all i need is a rom/patch. but i dont have access to imate site.
http://www.expansys.com.mt/forumthread.asp?code=I-MATE_JAM&thread=535
all i need is the rom
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Hm - I m not so sure about this. Your ROM is already newer than everything the people had in the thread you linked to - that thread is mainly from April 2005, and people there talk about 1.03 ROMs, whereas you already have 1.12. And the 1.12 does not have any known issues with Bluetooth.
I am surprised that a hard reset won't work. Try the following: remove the main battery and leave your Jam like that for one night. This will drain your backup battery, and really resets *everything*. The next day, put the battey back in. Go through the normal setup procedure, but do a soft reset immediately before it starts installing programs from the Extended ROM (i.e., within three seconds after you tapped the display after it says "tap display to continue"). This makes sure you will have a really clean and virgin Jam.
If your Bluetooth still does not work after that, I am afraid you have a defective device.
Cheers
Daniel
tadzio said:
[Try the following: remove the main battery and leave your Jam like that for one night. This will drain your backup battery, and really resets *everything*.
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Even when mine was new, removing the main battery for less than a minute reset everything.
I'm not the only one either. :?
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tadzio said:
[Try the following: remove the main battery and leave your Jam like that for one night. This will drain your backup battery, and really resets *everything*.
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Even when mine was new, removing the main battery for less than a minute reset everything.
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Then you have a defective backup battery. I would still advise first_major to leave his device without battery overnight - there's a chance that this may help, and it's certainly worth a try before giving up on the device.
Cheers
Daniel
Hi!
I really need help right now. This is second time my TyTN goes wild this way.
I can start machine allright and I can put PIN-code in but little bit after TyTN hangs totally. It does not respond to anything.
Even hard reset is difficult to do because you have to be so quick to push buttons before systems freezes.
There is no extreme programs or any changes made after last hard reset.
1. Can I do something now on the road?
2. What have I done wrong that it goes wild like this?
Please help ASAP if there is something to do now without HR.
I dont think the freeze can stop the hard reset ... You should be able to HR even when your TyTN is frozen till the ice ages ...
This is not the....
This is not the main issue. I can Hard Reset... but what went wron in the first place? And twice in one week.
Few decent program installations and using ActiveSync in two machines... I think that is the reason somehow... But how to prevent this happening constantly.
Most likely, one of your programs is screwing it up .. You need to figure out which one it is ... Setup one by one manually and see what happens ..
Also, try installing SPB Pocket Plus .. that has a manual safe startup mode .. see if you are able to start up your TyTN in the safe mode .. instead of doing a hard reset everytime ..
_mike_ said:
Hi!
I really need help right now. This is second time my TyTN goes wild this way.
I can start machine allright and I can put PIN-code in but little bit after TyTN hangs totally. It does not respond to anything.
Even hard reset is difficult to do because you have to be so quick to push buttons before systems freezes.
There is no extreme programs or any changes made after last hard reset.
1. Can I do something now on the road?
2. What have I done wrong that it goes wild like this?
Please help ASAP if there is something to do now without HR.
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Just another thing to check along with suggestions above. Do you use a storage card. If so does it still hang with the card out. And secondly is there a decent amount of on board memory free.?
Mike
gravejoker said:
Most likely, one of your programs is screwing it up .. You need to figure out which one it is ... Setup one by one manually and see what happens ..
Also, try installing SPB Pocket Plus .. that has a manual safe startup mode .. see if you are able to start up your TyTN in the safe mode .. instead of doing a hard reset everytime ..
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Had this happen on a Prophet it turns out it was one of the 3rd party software apps installed, the author updated it and no more issues.
I would bet the same thing is happening to you on the TyTn
yer i agree with mark i had same prob with my htc tytn turn out to be a 3rd party bluesnafing tool
What program that...
...might be?
Nothing starts on startup. I mean nothing special that my friend does not have. And he has no problems at all.
My guess still is that problem is ActiveSync. Because in freeze I can see part of ActiveSync window. And ActiveSync starts automatic...
Is there way to prevent ActuveSync on startup?
Thank you for your replys.
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...might be?
Nothing starts on startup. I mean nothing special that my friend does not have. And he has no problems at all.
My guess still is that problem is ActiveSync. Because in freeze I can see part of ActiveSync window. And ActiveSync starts automatic...
Is there way to prevent ActuveSync on startup?
Thank you for your replys.
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_mike_ I wouldn't be that dismissive of that advice. Usually, just where you think your sure you have everything covered in a particular area so theres no need to check, thats usually where your problem is.
The fact is that you and your friend have two different phones. Are the model numbers, lot numbers identical? Did you both in stall the exact same software with the exact same version numbers?
I'm guessing that you missed something there.
You need to be patient and thorough when figuring our these issues.
The best advice to find the answer to your problem has already been given.
Start with a base WM5 build and your ext ROM software. Remove your memory card.
Spend at least a day or two in base config. This will certainly tell you if its the phone or the software.
If your phone stays good, add one of your programs to the phone and wait another day.
repeat this until you find out what's causing the issue.
It's not quick or fast, but it's effective.
Good Luck!
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_mike_ I wouldn't be that dismissive of that advice. Usually, just where you think your sure you have everything covered in a particular area so theres no need to check, thats usually where your problem is.
....
It's not quick or fast, but it's effective.
Good Luck!
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I think you are right. I'll do that. Thank you.
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I think you are right. I'll do that. Thank you.
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Let us know how you make out.
So what happened with this issue?
Mine has started doing this right after I installed pRSSreader and subscribed to BBc news feed
I took out storage card, soft reset and was quick enough to disable the today screen plugin for the offending app and then uninstall now everything's okay.
Maybe problem was caused by installing pRSSreader to the storage card confused:
Quad said:
So what happened with this issue?
Mine has started doing this right after I installed pRSSreader and subscribed to BBc news feed
I took out storage card, soft reset and was quick enough to disable the today screen plugin for the offending app and then uninstall now everything's okay.
Maybe problem was caused by installing pRSSreader to the storage card confused:
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There was an issue with pRSSreader 1.3.2 I believe. It happened to me. I was able to disable the today plugin and recover, but it took a few tries. It's supposed to be fixed in the latest version.
Freeze TYTN
I had the same problem after installing Nots Push mail 3 party software.
Each SR make my TYTN freeze.
I have used Memmaid in order to remove it from the startup program
It has solved the problem
Mine hung after installing and uninstalling psShutXp. After uninstalling, I kept getting a notification error message whenever I turned it on concerning psShutXp. Then, it just locked up for good. No amount of soft resets, powering off/on helped. After a hard reset and reinstall of my favorite apps, back to working fine.
I do occassionally lock my phone by accident and I get a little freaked out the next time I use it because nothing works. Then, I realize what I did and that I'm a moron and everything's good again.
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There was an issue with pRSSreader 1.3.2 I believe. It happened to me. I was able to disable the today plugin and recover, but it took a few tries. It's supposed to be fixed in the latest version.
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Just checked and that was the version I installed.
edit - according to their website 1.3.2 is the lates version
Hi,
I now have the same problem. I have only a view programs installed. Each softreset hangs at the windows mobile screen.
As I don't like a hard reset everytime, my workaround is to enter the bootloader and do a softreset from there...
Is it cleared in between, what is causing the hangs?
good night
dsp
Im getting a similiar problem with mine after not having added ANY new software recently. Mine hangs at the HTC screen, and no matter whether there is:
A) sim card and microSD card
B) microSD card only
C) sim card only
D) neither
in the machine, it still just hangs at the HTC screen on startup (regardless of whether its a soft or hard reset), and doesnt even make the startup tone, or play the animation, all it shows are a few digits and such in red at the beginning. PLEASE HELP!
Mine has it too
I know its a year later, but has anyone found an answer for the Freezing / not booting / not starting of the phone?
One reason is if you have a BS rom installed. You need to install a stock NBS rom (make sure radio is stripped out or you will have to reflash yours) the reflash your BS rom. Make sure you back-up your contacts and messages first.
Cheers...
I use/have used the Imate PDA, PDA2 and PDA2K... all of them lose all of their programs/settings (pretty much a hard reset) when the battery dies. Does the Hermes act in the same way? I was told by a sales person that since it has 128MB rom the programs install to that and you don't lose them when the battery dies like you do now. Is that true?
Hermes uses persistant memory. Won't lose apps in memory unless you hardreset. So your safe if battery runs out.
V
Good information, i have had a hard time with my i mate jam,,,,
thanks
asz
Great, thanks for the info vijay. Can Anyone expand on how it tells the difference between a hard reset and a battery going flat then? Any othere differences in relation to this?
ferni said:
Great, thanks for the info vijay. Can Anyone expand on how it tells the difference between a hard reset and a battery going flat then? Any othere differences in relation to this?
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Devices running Windows Mobile 5 change the area of memory information is stored. Its called persistant storage and is one of the major benefits of WM5. Its slighter slower but all information is saved if the battery dies.
Older devices (WM2002, 2003, 2003SE) used to save information to the RAM. Faster than persistant storage in WM5, but RAM needs power to keep the information stored within. Thats the reason why data used to be lost if batteries ran out in the older devices. There is a back-up battery in the device is case of power loss but tend to only last around 20mins unless you replace or charge the battery.
Think thats about right, im sure i'll be corrected if i'm wrong.
Hope that clears things up for you.
Thanks silent... So how does a hard reset work then? if the programs are stored in persistant storage?
Also, it can't just be software based can it? Ie if i put WM5 onto one of my Imate PDA2's then that wouldn't keep the settings if the battery died... it would have to be a combination of OS and hardware right?
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Thanks silent... So how does a hard reset work then? if the programs are stored in persistant storage?
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Well, the hard reset routine actively erases the persistant program memory. A bit like formatting a hard drive.
Also, it can't just be software based can it? Ie if i put WM5 onto one of my Imate PDA2's then that wouldn't keep the settings if the battery died... it would have to be a combination of OS and hardware right?
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Yes.
Cheers
Daniel
When the battery of a Tytn dies ALL DATA is savely stored.
you can however, reset the device if it won't start a program or if data is corrupted.
1. If the device still runs you can go to the settings menu and select system > erase memory. this will set the tytn back to factory defaults.
2. If the device locks down on startup you can also turn it on and after it has been turned on pres the power button again and keep the power button pressed and press the reset button simultaneously until the device reboots.
Actually, there have been "unofficial" ports of Windows Mobile 5 for the Blue Angel series of Pocket PC Phones and they do indeed use persistent storage, just like the "official" Windows Mobile 5 devices do. Your device needs to have enough persistent memory available to support this in order for it to work, and the Blue Angel does. It is tricky to do, but does work.
im a noob in this Blue angel > WM5 thing and i did it too.
its not that hard.
to bad the build of WM5 for blue angel was a little heavy for the processor.
the persistant memory was there, so i could keep my data when my battery died.
finally i switched back to wm2003 because it was much faster.
now i bought a tytn and gave away the blue angel because this one is better.
Great guys, Thanks heaps for the help.
hi xda-developers,
my mda compact got really slow an I don't know how to repair.
The battery was almost empty as it began to get slower. (as if it switched to power-safe mode) I haven't installed any new software on the mda.
Soft-resets unfortunately didn't help.
Do you have an idea what's wrong? Do I have a chance to repair it without hard-resetting the device? Are there any diagnostic-tools, that could tell what's the problem?
Thanks in advance for your answers!
Greetings,
smakker
You mentioned the battery was low, did it change when you recharged the device? Or is it still slow?
Remember that without using a 3rd party software, programs don't actually close but remain memory resident. You'll have to close them via the Running Program Lists.
If the above doesn't work, then maybe a hard reset is only the solution.
Yes, I have a task manager that shows what is running
PHM bit of software I think
Could you make a Hard-reset and see if things go snappier?
Carty said:
Could you make a Hard-reset and see if things go snappier?
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I am tempted but I need to make sure everything is prepared and backed up first, such as working out exactly what I want on it and that everything is secured.
In the new year I am getting a 2gb mSd so I may do it then
Hi,
I've a big big problem with my HTC Advantage.
Yesterday the unit worked perfect until it switched off because of the empty battery. Then I charged it overnight.
Today in the mornig my log in passwort didn´t work anymore.
I never changed the password "0103" since 1,5 years.
What can I do now to get on my hdd? I´ve got a "actually" backup on the MiniSD-Card. But it's not possible to get on it.
Even the Hardware-Reset (Volume down holding Reset) doesn't work. I get on the "reset-screen" but the Action-Key doesn't work. Only the Camera (abort) is working.
It's absolutely true, the password changed it self.
Have you got any ideas? HTC says that in repair all datas will be lost!
Best regards from Austria and many many thanks for helping.
I can only say that I have also had the same experience.
For me the battery never ran out of juice but one morning the Advantage just would not accept my 4-digit "password".
I finally had to give up, for after a number of tries the time between each time one can try a new password becomes VERY long (and I also KNOW the password I used so what was the point...). Soft Resets did not help
So I ended up with a hard reset...
And I no longer use a password...
neon-mödling said:
Hi,
I've a big big problem with my HTC Advantage.
Yesterday the unit worked perfect until it switched off because of the empty battery. Then I charged it overnight.
Today in the mornig my log in passwort didn´t work anymore.
I never changed the password "0103" since 1,5 years.
What can I do now to get on my hdd? I´ve got a "actually" backup on the MiniSD-Card. But it's not possible to get on it.
Even the Hardware-Reset (Volume down holding Reset) doesn't work. I get on the "reset-screen" but the Action-Key doesn't work. Only the Camera (abort) is working.
It's absolutely true, the password changed it self.
Have you got any ideas? HTC says that in repair all datas will be lost!
Best regards from Austria and many many thanks for helping.
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I would call HTC and see if their's a default password they might have to get you back into the unit. I know it's a long shot but give it a try bud.
Did you do the hardware reset in the recommended way?
Volume down and pressing Reset at the same time.
Then press the Action Key in the middle (Key with the 4-directions).
I can't do a hardware reset because the button "is not working" or is locked because of the password.
I called HTC today and talked with a competent support engineer. There is no default key to unlock the password. It should be a Windows-Problem.
The only way is to send the unit to HTC - all data will be lost!
Best regards
it can change if you change your IMEI. otherwise no idea why.
For me it worked performing a standard 'hard reset' - volume slider down and 'reset'.
Sadly it seems that no one has got any other solutions...
change rom and restor you back up
go to bootloader mode, dont remember how but the info is somewhere in the forum. Then change rom, you can get the default rom off google if you search, so you actually uprading the same rom again into you existing rom. Then restore your backup. That's should do. i had the same problem and using standard volume slider down and pressing reset button worked for me. Hope that helps.
BPHC said:
go to bootloader mode, dont remember how but the info is somewhere in the forum. Then change rom, you can get the default rom off google if you search, so you actually uprading the same rom again into you existing rom. Then restore your backup. That's should do. i had the same problem and using standard volume slider down and pressing reset button worked for me. Hope that helps.
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uh, no need to reflash. just a plain hardreset will do.
Thanks all for helping.
I decided to send the HTC to the Austrian Service Point.
There´s still a gurantee, so I don´t want to spend every free minute with this stupid thing.
Best regards
neon-mödling said:
Thanks all for helping.
I decided to send the HTC to the Austrian Service Point.
There´s still a gurantee, so I don´t want to spend every free minute with this stupid thing.
Best regards
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heh, task 28 command in mtty is guaranteed to hard reset it if the button press is no good. but maybe it has some hw fault if the buttons don't work..
Solution
This is the only way to solve this issue. Yes its a BUG.
The Password is no longer stored correcly when you loose your battery.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1164331
No patch avalible until now.
Niendertal said:
This is the only way to solve this issue. Yes its a BUG.
The Password is no longer stored correcly when you loose your battery.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1164331
No patch avalible until now.
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this link describes how to hard reset a blueangel. not athena.
"task 28" works though, but you do not need "task 0".
"task 28" basically does a plain hard reset, though. you only need to use it if volume+reset doesn't work (which is usually a HW button issue)
This just happened to me on my Touch...
but I ABSOLUTELY need the data on my touch. What to do?
Same Issue - MDA Vario II - PDAViet WM 6.1
Did anyone come, by any chance, up with a solution how to avoid the looming hard-reset?
Happened yesterday - password changed on its own.... Couldn't believe it!!
Still no fix?
I just got back from vacation yesterday. The phone worked fine until this morning. Somehow the password changed and I cannot get in. This sucks! I will lose all of my vacation photos (on internal memory) if I do a hard reset. The good news: I did a back up prior to going on vacation, so I won't lose everything. I, however, really hate to lose two weeks of photos. Any new suggestions on how to retrieve my data?
Sorry dude,
Hv to tell u that I was unable to find one when I was desperately looking for one some time ago. Best of luck anyways, and let us know in case you're successful.
Josh
Thanks for your um, empathy. I did a hard reset, but skipped the flash drive reformat. This reset the main memory to factory settings, but did not delete any of the files on the flash disk. I saved all of my photos, spreadsheets, and other data from the vacation. I restored the August 13th backup, but only the main memory files and lost very little.
This was a scary experience for two reasons: 1) I almost lost a ton of data, 2) I got it all back without needing a password. I thought that data on the flash disk was secure, but I was soooo wrong. All 16Gb are as secure as what is on the MicroSD card. If someone stole my device and performed the same operation they would have had lots of embarrassing photos of me at a bacchelor party and wearing a Spedo (or less) on the beach. I guess this is something I need to keep in mind in the future. I don't need these photos popping up when I run for president.