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WM2005 for JAM? Doubt it.

Strange how O2 and Orange have decided they're not going to release the 'Magician' aka O2 mini/MDA compact/I-Mate JAM/Orange M500 here in the UK. I'm wondering if its because WM2005 devices are right around the corner and this little gem won't be upgradable because it doesn't have the juice (memory/cpu) to run it...
I've come close 3 times now to buying one from T-Mobile.. but something just doesnt seem right.. think I'll wait a bit longer. T-Mobile is selling them like hotcakes.. o2 & orange must have a very good reason not to release these here and thats why Im thinking they're something 'special' on the horizon.
what do you guys think?

i think they want to release it with a new device.. just like what they did with the WM2003SE they didn't release any upgrades.. instead a new device..... who knows

sleepnow said:
I'm wondering if its because WM2005 devices are right around the corner and this little gem won't be upgradable because it doesn't have the juice (memory/cpu) to run it...
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At work, we run with Windows 2000 Server. Who cares that there's a 2003 version? The 2000 version does everything we want.
And isn't 2005 version of Windows Mobile going to be released in 2005, ages away?
I think people can tend to get a little wrapped up in what's just not available yet. 2nd edition Windows Mobile is going to be viable for some time yet, and is a bloody capable O/S. I know this won't be upgradeable, and just don't care...

I say get it now, there is always going to be something else you want tomorrow. Wait for that, and then something else is on the horizion.
I had an XDA II as I liked the PDA/phone idea but in practise it didn't work for me. The thing is just too big to be taken seriously as a phone, so I never used it. Tried things like the SE 910i and various Smartphones. None did the job. The SPV C500 is great, but I need a touchscreen on my pda.
So have just moved to the Jam and it is like a whole new world! It is a fabulous device and changed the way I think of and use a phone.
Cheers
Marc

Go for Jam....i have been using SE P900, moto mpx300 and Jam....I feel Jam outperformed all of them. P900 is more towards a phone....

Why you ask? Because WM2005 phones will be able to run out of battery and not have to be reconfigured (LIKE A NORMAL PHONE). Nothing is lost due to the way it uses the memory. That alone is reason enough for me, it would be nice to have to mess around the Extended ROM all the time or make backups every day for fear of losing everything. I don't have time for that these days.
WM2005 is supposedly due in the summer, and surely HTC is testing it on the replacement for the JAM as we speak.

HTC releasing a replacement for the JAM at these early stages of the JAM's life would be a suicide. What HTC want is to get as many JAM sales as possible, then release a replacement phone for us to buy another one!

"Screw you guys, I am going home!"

My JAM served me perfectly for a almost a year and now it's time to move on. Just sold it and ordered ETEN M500. I've got a bit tired of iMATE's position in OS upgrades, first with my XDA2 not having 2003 SE and now JAM with no 2005. Also, cripled BT, no voice dialing possibility also was a big factor for me. ETEN is using MS BT stack and does have this feature. Let's see how it performs in person. I am willing to help you guys with getting BT stack from ETEN working on JAM. Let me know if you need anything.
BTW, moderators, is that possible to create another forum here dedicated to ETEN?

Why order the M500 now and not wait a few months for the M600? Please post your findings on the M500 though as I'd love to hear how good / bad it is.

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Why order the M500 now and not wait a few months for the M600? Please post your findings on the M500 though as I'd love to hear how good / bad it is.
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Because in few months my JAM will be older few months and I wouldn't be able to sell it for a good price. M600 doesn't impress me much over M500 - same memory size, same CPU, same look ( I am not big fan of black color either). Only WiFi. But I don't care about it much. If I really need one I have WiFi SD card ( which I maybe used once in 6 month). Price for m500 is good now and Windows 2005 upgrade is officially anonced for it.
My unit should be here on Tuesday. I'll let you know how it goes.

I'd love to yell at you for deserting HTC, but I am afraid you are doing the right thing. Darned...

ID64 said:
saldous said:
Why order the M500 now and not wait a few months for the M600? Please post your findings on the M500 though as I'd love to hear how good / bad it is.
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Because in few months my JAM will be older few months and I wouldn't be able to sell it for a good price. M600 doesn't impress me much over M500 - same memory size, same CPU, same look ( I am not big fan of black color either). Only WiFi. But I don't care about it much. If I really need one I have WiFi SD card ( which I maybe used once in 6 month). Price for m500 is good now and Windows 2005 upgrade is officially anonced for it.
My unit should be here on Tuesday. I'll let you know how it goes.
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Since you don't use WiFi, I think you made a very good move.
Dave

You can always get a really short Sceptre 802.11b Wi-Fi card from MadMonkeyBoy (http://www.dweiniger.com).

ID64... so how's the Eten coming along?

As I read on some reviews, Windows Mobile 5 is not the leap we are all waiting for. Or to be more specific: The leap I am waiting for.
I am happy with my Magician and I have not seen features that would make me switch to WM5 or another device with WM5.
The main thing for me is stability first, features second.
I don't want to be a beta tester for WM5, being an early adopter, life is hard enough ;-)
Regards
Mundl

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ID64... so how's the Eten coming along?
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Not here yet :? Tomorrow

m500??????
m500?
what make is it?
can someone post a link or tell me who make's them.
thanks in advance.

jaykummar, the make is E-TEN. If you do a search in google for E-TEN M500 you'll get lots of info.

Alas, I think we may be asking too much to open an "Eten" thread in an XDA forum...
I'll try other PDA forums. 8)

Universal users....a poll :)

Post your feedback guys, guess it'll help the world to be a better place :lol:
San

It is a good device but too costly...
I would recommand new buyers to wait for a while, so that you get a trouble free device for less..
I really dont understand the idea of this... They sell Device with bugs and problems for very high price and then after a while when the probs are almost fixed they come down.... Isnt that suppose to be other way around?

Of all the criticisms, I don't think it's expensive. OK, I bought an MDA Pro with a nice subsidy from T Mobile and not a sim-free Jam Jar, but even so, it's a good price. Compare it to an HP Hx4700 and, say, a Nokia 654321i or whatever a current phone is called :wink: Looking at retail or launch prices, you'll see that they add up to pretty much the same price or more.

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I really dont understand the idea of this... They sell Device with bugs and problems for very high price and then after a while when the probs are almost fixed they come down.... Isnt that suppose to be other way around?
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what problems???? my jasjar is the most stable ppc phone yet...i havent soft reset it once in over 3 weeks now.. doesnt hang ...everything is working.. this is superb piece of device (i shod know ive had pda2k,pda2 and jam.... and all of them had their weak points but jasjar doesnt have any (not talking about the price...coz if you wait it will come down...or if you know anyone like i did i got my jasjar for 3800 dirhams unlike many of you who had to pay well in excess of 4100 hehe)

zohaer21 said:
what problems???? my jasjar is the most stable ppc phone yet...
....(i shod know ive had pda2k,pda2 and jam.... and all of them had their weak points but jasjar doesnt have any
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I completely agree, my experience is exactly the same, however, there do seem to be a few people around here with underperforming devices. Guess we're the lucky ones (But I'm sure everyone will be happy sooner or later...)

I like to way the Jasjar works and it's stability, although it is a bit bulky.
HOWEVER, I got mine on Monday last week. On Wednesday, having loaded everything on it and got it working exactly the way I wanted it to, I twisted the screen from phone mode in order to close it, felt a slight resistance and......guess what....yes, the feed to the screen was broken.
I guess this was always going to be a risk with the revolving screen but, really! I'm awaiting the replacement.

It's more usable than my SPV M2000 thanks to the keyboard but it is that bit bigger.
Oh and the fact it crashes my PC doesn't help either :evil:

If ur a housewife who uses it stock-standard with the awful PIM and shocking today screens - you'll be stable and happy. If you are a bleading edge techie (which is probably why you've already got one of these) then you'll have hard reset at least 2 times by now, and will have discovered the myriad of issue that require fixes (BT, PIM, 3G connection TTL, notification sadeamon dups, working player vs chip stepping, etc etc). This is much like WM2003 was in the early days - all issues eventually get solved by software. But for now it's tough battling to find suitable solutions.
personally, I think my time could have been better spent on making money and waiting for the October-1 ROM to evolve 1 more generation.

funny thing is those who complains a lot about the Universal always claimed that they're techsavvy i could prolly say that I'm one of those "idiots" that's quite satisfied with my JJ. I'm annoyed with some of its problems but satisfied overall with its performance and I don't mind waiting for the upgrades to come.

This damn device is droolworthy for sure! There are certain memory handicaps, os problems etc., but i'm sure things would be sorted out over time....
MS has wm5 in its early stages, and i-mate (or whoever) has been bold to release it...as far as i remember, there were a hundred ppl cursing MS for not releasing WM5, for which the JJ launch was being delayed....and i'm sure, all of you would have hoped for a release even though wm5 is not yet fully done and packed, and wouldnt mind an upgrade once complete....face it, its so damn gorgeous that you could'nt resist!!
The memory handicap is definitely a big issue, and i'm sure there trying to fix it, if not completely, atleast to a stage where its practical to use.
I'm wondering if O2 delayed the launch of the Exec, because of these issues??? hmmmmm!!!!!!
San

This is by far and away the most stable ppc I've had yet. Considering it offers vga screen, wifi, BT, keyboard and its a phone(3G also), I dont mind the size. In fact I personally prefer something with weight. Yes there are issues as there are issues with all relatively new devices/OS, but if u want to be at the forefront of cutting edge technology, then this is it...Obvoiusly, its horses for courses so its not everyone's ideal choice...but thats why there IS a choice.

Think Twice Before buying XDA Exec.

I have used many blackberry devices and PDA's for my work before and could not wait to get my hands on an EXEC.
It looks supurb it rearly does, It will make your m8's jaws drop.
Thebox it comes in makes you think WOW! I have some nice kit here.
Beyond the box though, You have to start it up, Here you will start to wonder!
It will take about 2 Mins to boot from Cold (1 1/2 mins longer than a 486 PC booting into Windows 98 )
Does not matter what mode you go in, Basic, Advanced or Corporate.
You click on Start And after a small delay you may get the menu.
As you start to navigate through Windows Mobile 5 you will instantly notice the sluggish response and this is all before you even install anything on it.
I read all the pre release reviews about this device and am surprised that no one commented on this speed issue!
You learn to notice that the PDA side is too slow to use compaired to other PDA devices.
TOM TOM users will expeirence massive difficulty and incompatibility issues.
The Exec and other Universal devices was the first time that sees the Windows Mobile 5 Software and as such is so buggy you may as well be using a beta version. Software is very scare's compaired to other windows mobile and SE builds.
Reports are starting to come through about the hinge of the screen, though I did not experience this. Be Warned.
The phone functions I had no problems with, Conversations was clear and had not experienced any missed calls like users of the Jas Jar have reported.
The device is much heaver than you may expect and much more bulky due to it's clamshell form factor (fold up keyboard and swivel screen)
With all the above issue's I was personally Dissapointed and ended up selling on this forum after 2 Day's of having the device.
( http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=31002 )
There may be Flash updates in the very near future though It Pi**es me off that companies release this crap before ironing out this massive issues. I mean did they rearlly thing we would not notice?
Stick to a Blackberry or PDA Stand alone.
ME.. I have just ordered myself a Nokia 8800 and will stick to my HP PDA.

I can see your point about some of the bugs with the device, but every xda has had these and they have been pretty much sorted out with time. Personally I love my exec, it is everything I hoped it would be, and yes, there are annoying glitches (I don't like the O2 ROM) but overall it is working very well. Sorry you had such a bad experience with yours!
Fin

hmm
Love my mda pro,
works a charm in my eyes, and all new mobiles have these problems, after an update or a change of rom it will all be fine.
The problem here is that you buy a state of the art phone/pda, of course it has bugs.. buy a new model car and it will have child faults too. these are minor and will be solved in updates.
I have been using my mda pro for a week now and must say it is the coolest phone/pda ever. the screen is to die for!! I don't even look at my mda 3 screen anymore lol. makes me cry haha
There is no other phone/mda right now which has such great working wifi and a vga screen.
This is a phone/pda for someone who loves to have a mini tablet pc with phone function.
How can you compare this with a blackberry? LMAO got stocks in that company? LOL Do blackberry's have vga screens? hahaha the Universal is a PC and that is what we love!!
Anyway.. the universal is here to stay and is the market leader.. and it certainly helps in keeping development going forward!!
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I have a JJ and the call quality has been good (and video calling works okay). There are problems with WM5 (but M$ has never been in the business to produce quality software!). But for me, as a Nokia 9500 user, is the lack of proper phone functions in WM5 that is surprising.
The performance will improve if you turn off the error reporting. But I am still surprised how slow the device is compared to my Treo 650, which only has a 312Mhz processor and has persistent memory.
Like all these devices reviews etc are available so perhaps people should do a bit more research before they buy one?

ehhh
that is like comparing Apples to Oranges.
Just don't buy a MS device if you don't like them! I also have a spv c550, great phone but loads of probs with that new 230pix screen and tomtom5 haha, but still i love it.
nokia, SE p910i and treo are symbian phones and have their own limitations and mishaps. :twisted: had them all and never liked their restricted GUI.
Nagging we all can, i just love it that we have windows based phones and pda's and will certainly keep buying them. And so will a large group of followers hehe
http://my-symbian.com/forum/ should be the place for you ahhaha

I agree, i had all the nokia 9000 series phones and loved them but I use the excel and the symbian software slaughters excel and the Nokia 9500 could not even handle the transfer of excel files to computer when I bought one and the place I bought it from "Techoni Mobile Phones Australia" said wait for an update from Nokia when I rang and said I wanted my money back as I said to them that they sold me a product that doesn't do as advertised. I will never buy off that company again. The JJ / Exec is an incredible phone/PDA.

Er..I was trying to say the JJ is okay for me...even though it is not complete. I use all types of devices I have no preference I just want something that helps me do things better. I agree about the Nokia word/excel issues, Nokia were silly about this.
Edit: @dvl, the Treo is not Symbian and next there will be a WM5 version of the Treo released. M$ are really pleased with the Treo WM5 as they recognise the hardware is designed well and M$ have had help from Palm to improve the UI.

are all tomtom related issues not a matter of tomtom's software not being 2005 friendly or buggy ?

hehe
You are right, treo is palm, hehe but kinda similar to symbian..
but you made a true statement.. I LOVE THE TREO600/650's feel, touch and looks. And now that they come with WM5 in it i will certainly by that phone.. No doubt about it. And it will be a market leader when it comes out.
ALthough it will not be a Universal.. hehe
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hi
i tend to disagree ...ive had my universal for almost 2 months now.. and have no problems with it... connecivity wise or hinge wise
the only thing disappointing me till now (its not related to universal) is that while some devs have updated their softwares most have not yet done so or havent released a fully stable version for wm5

I'm using JJ for the last one month and I have no problem with it at all.
At the beginning I used to experience some troubles with the low speed of the device but after a while, I made some changes to the settings of the JJ and everyting is working fine now.
I think that JJ is having everyting I need and much more.
Still there are some issues to be resolved like the Video full screen play back and other issues, but in General it is the best PDA I have ever used.
Regards,

POLL: % of hermes users running WM6

Guys (and gals), just wondering what the %'s work out as for the people running WM6 in place of 5 on there hermes.
And as an aside, hows it going and anything you have noticed as a negative..
Thanks andy

guess i probably should ask, after you have upgraded, can you leave it alone, or is it one rom after another?

i have done the update on my orange 3100 which i think is a brand of HTC and all works brill!!!!!!! god i wish i did this ages ago

I used to upgrade to newer or older more stable WM5 roms every month after I got my 8525. I think I flashed my SDA a dozen times in 3 months. After I put the last WM6 rom on my 8525 I haven't touched it since. There are a few backlight and keyboard glitches that have tempted me to try another firmware but I haven't been annoyed enough to worry about it.
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guess i probably should ask, after you have upgraded, can you leave it alone, or is it one rom after another?
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does this mean that the wm6 upgrades do not have battery issues etc like the universal upgrades had?
can you roll back to original rom if needing to send back under warranty?

I figure that because my wm5 has no problems at all I should not screw with it. On the other hand, the wm6 on my trinity is full of bugs and will be updated soon.

Mine came with wm6 and runs flawlessly. I thought I would mess with a new rom but ... if it ain't broke I ain't gonna fix it.

Interesting that the % of wm6 users is as high as it is. I would have expected a lower % but it would appear the flashing path is well trodden.
I am sort of thinking alone the lines if it aint broke... but then maybe wm 6 would be nice too lol

geekyhawkes said:
Interesting that the % of wm6 users is as high as it is. I would have expected a lower % but it would appear the flashing path is well trodden.
I am sort of thinking alone the lines if it aint broke... but then maybe wm 6 would be nice too lol
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Geek,
The only way to be sure, apart from this poll, is to do shedloads of research and reading off this forum eg the wiki, the mr vanx guides, all the stuff on fixing your phone if you brick it, the hard spl stuff, the forums, etc. When you have fully assimilated the info and KNOW what you need to do to protect yourself BEFORE you flash, then go ahead and flash.
The Mr Vanx guides will also tell you how to return to WM5 if you want to (why you would want to do this is a mystery).
I spent 8 weeks reading everything connected with upgrading to WM6 on here BEFORE I jumped. I took every precaution I could find, triple checked EVERYTHING, then I did the deed.
The rest, as they say, is history. Go on, you know you want to..!!
WB

There should be a third option:
"Yes I did, no issues, but not worth the effort."
WM6 isn't that big of a deal. WM6 is nicer to look at but if I wanted pretty there's the iPhone instead.
I don't regret moving to WM6 and will never use WM5 again, but I give the whole issue very little thought. Frankly I'm surprised anyone really cares.
I wonder if PC forums have these sorts of discussions about which Windows OS they are using on their computers in spite of all of the versions being basically the same from a usage standpoint over the past 12 years.

lol I think WM6 no issues is winning haha

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There should be a third option:
"Yes I did, no issues, but not worth the effort." WM6 isn't that big of a deal. .
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Hmmm,
Not sure I would agree with this statement. The key reason why I moved to WM6 from WM5 was that WM5, as received from the manufacturer, was so unstable in day-to-day operation that I was on the brink of selling my Tytn and moving back to a Symbian device.
WM6 has given me masses of stability and the Tytn has stayed. Interestingly, the level of stability that I now experience has come from a fully loaded cooked ROM. I'm not sure what the experience is for others on the stock WM6 ROM; however it worked for me.
Each to his own, of course.
WB

I am still running WM5, a couple of people I work with have just upgraded thier devices to WM6 Schapps ROM and are reporting no issues.
My WM5 crashes every now and then or doesn't "wake up" from a standby, but I guess thats just something we have to live with !?! Or is that wrong ?
Apart from the HTML email support, and a suppossed speed increase I am not sure it is worth the risk of upgrading (?) My device is still in warranty so I am maybe being over cautious ?

dmj1973 said:
I am still running WM5, a couple of people I work with have just upgraded thier devices to WM6 Schapps ROM and are reporting no issues.
My WM5 crashes every now and then or doesn't "wake up" from a standby, but I guess thats just something we have to live with !?! Or is that wrong ?
Apart from the HTML email support, and a suppossed speed increase I am not sure it is worth the risk of upgrading (?) My device is still in warranty so I am maybe being over cautious ?
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No,
Having paid your hard eaned cash for a device you should not have to put up with crashes or unpredicatble performance/behavior.
My device had 6 months warranty left on it when I upgraded the OS. It still has 3 months to go. What are you worried about?
If you take a serious amount of time out to understand the process, potential pitfalls, preventative measures and remedies associated with ROM upgrading, and use some common sense, I don't see why you should not be ok.
The decision, as with everything in life, is yours...
WB

Fair comment WB, fair comment.

I agree with the above, most who use WM6 don't go backward to 5! It's a progression to the latest and greatest which includes better interfaces, support & development. When ever WM7 comes out, then we'll be moving forward to that one...
BTW: there have been numerous polls already, so this seems redundant.

You'll mess with it a lot the first day or two, but once you find a ROM you like, that's it!

Glad to see no one is bricked when I vote!

somewhat useless thread
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Glad to see no one is bricked when I vote!
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Right! Why would WM6 "brick" it? Like asking, "Did Vista brick your PC?"

Is it possible to return to WM5 in case WM6 fails to satisfy
Hi friends after looking at the results I am planning to shift to WM6 in my Orange SPV 3100...Is it possible to have this OS in my Orange..Anybody plz tell me what is the difference b/w both of these OS I mean whats new in WM6 which wasn't there in WM5..