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Are you happy with the PPCPE dailer?

Having had my XDA 2 now for a few weeks, and having finally worked out most of the kinks of the really inadequate bluetooth stack (by installing the widcomm stack) I am now moved to address my other annoyances: the very feature poor phone software.
I expected a very configurable phone, but was very disappointed with the microsoft dailer. The short list of features I find missing are:
No separate ring tones can be assigned to each contact. This could be very usefully, as you would know who is phoning without checking the screen.
No software to keep track of your calls or GPRS allowance. Even my old nokia from 3 years ago could do that.
No way to transfer a call from the handset to a headset. I know you can do it the other way around, why not this way too?
Very little status information on the dailer screen. Why is this,when most cell phone screens look like the status display on a jet?
Anyways, there is alot more, and people may want to add their annoyances. Im really wondering if there is any software that can replace the microsoft Dailer (like Pocketinformant replaces the pocket outlook).
Any ideas would be appreciated.
Surur

Took me a minute to know what you're talking about.
No, I hate the built-in dialer on the Pocket PC.
The author of mobidial (http://www.mobidial.com) told me there will be an XDA II version.. hopefully soon.
-arebelspy

hey,
just a few comments....
re: No separate ring tones can be assigned to each contact
- i beleive the o2 xda site has free software for download; one of which is called powercontacts. i believe it allows you to assign a ringtone to each contact. i tried it when i still had the xda1...never got it to work. so, i downloaded a trial version of ringtonex; it works like a charm and i'm able to assign individual ringtones to any contact i want. i immediately bought the software, i think it was for around 9usd. now that i'm using the xda2; the software still works great. for ringtones what i did was record the voice of my friends, officemates, my wife, and used those wav files for ringtones corresponding to their contacts. it also works in tandem with the photocontacts app in the xda2
re: No way to transfer a call from the handset to a headset
-the xda2 has bluetooth and i use it together with the bt200 headset. incoming and outgoing calls are automatically transferred to the headset.
2 cents worth.
cheers mate
robson

Transferring from phone to headset is a headset dependent thing. My HBH-65 allows me to transfer to phone and back to headset, but my Jabra wouldn't have.

Thx for the great pointers. I am definitely getting the RingtoneX app, and mobidail or something similar, when it comes out.
I just wish that developers would design more for handed use, not using a stylus, especially as bluetooth voicedailing does not work.
About transferring to a headset, I mean after you pick up a call with the XDA, transferring the call to a headset should be possible, but has not worked for me yet.
Another minor peeve, why is the sms option not on the dialler, but on the menu bar, and why is speaker phone also not on the front, but you have to press a key for it. There still needs to be alot of improvement. Hopefully independent programmers will kick in and fix all these deficiencies. It does make you wonder if the developers actually use their own devices or not...
Surur

Very little status information on the dailer screen. Why is this,when most cell phone screens look like the status display on a jet?
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i think it's because that most cell phones screens is their version of the today screen
i most surdenly would not wish such a confusing cluttet messy interface on my worst enemy
(yeah of cause not all cellphones are all that bad some many are)

I dont know. At least they should have the battery status on the screen, and the network logo would not be ammis either (currently its difficult to know when you have no reception, or just no reception)
Alot of the stuff thats currently in the task bar could also be bigger icons on the dailer, and it would also make it look less plain and just incomplete, as if its been thrown together at the last minute.
Surur

well not sure if it's much help but if you install some bar like advanced wisbar on your pda you'll have batt status in the bar both in today and the dialer
suppose this is a pre customised vs. free 3. party customising
some people like to set up their device with personal customising and some people want the place they buy it to handle that
in that way i suppose xda and other such devices are more like computers then std phones are
of cause if one get a xda with all the stuff in the preloaded provider rom they get more of that stuff you want
of cause thats not saying that they get enough

Ive been a user of Icbar for a long time, but as notifications is so important on a PPCPE device, and its not supported, I am not able to use it anymore. This is unfortuanate, as I enjoyed knowing what my battary status is all the time.
Surur

If you want to use your finger to dial contacts try Fingerclix by imaginet software. I used it on my Samsung I700 and now my I-Mate and it works just fine.
http://www.imaginet-software.com/index.aspx?p=fingerclix_en

This is brilliant. It would be even better if it could use the phone key insteadof loosing my contacts button. Any idea how to do htis.
Thx
Surur

vetie said:
If you want to use your finger to dial contacts try Fingerclix by imaginet software. I used it on my Samsung I700 and now my I-Mate and it works just fine.
http://www.imaginet-software.com/index.aspx?p=fingerclix_en
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Thanks Vetie for posting the link also can somebody post the link for RingTonex. Man this is great stuff! 8)

Qman said:
Thanks Vetie for posting the link also can somebody post the link for RingTonex. Man this is great stuff! 8)
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http://www.mtux.com/info_ring.aspx
-arebelspy

IIWPO: Theft protection in ROM for Himalaya

(Re-published due to forum structure change)
Based of the IIWPO solution initially meant for Wallaby devices (see http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=2526), I created a customizable installer for Himalaya:
See the Wiki page on IIWPO
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/wiki/IIWPO
Hopefully IIWPO suprises a lot of thiefs!!!!!

This is way too cool! I really love this software. I hope never to have to rely on it but just to know its there will make me sleep better. Thanks.

Wow!
The link doesn't work, but... there is or could you do something like that for the PDA2K?
Thanks!
Chris

The wiki pages are offline.
Use the Google cache to read about IIWPO.
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:Bsy8qCnKXKIJ:wiki.xda-developers.com/wiki/IIWPO+IIWPO&hl=en
See attachment for the cab mentioned on the wiki pages.

Edsub,
I am wondering if the already excellent IIWPO could be further enhanced by a simple but witty add-on. I am imagining the capability to receive a Kill-Signal via SMS. If all attemps to recover the phone fails because the person who holds it has not put in a full & proper owner name + address we still have a phone number right? Therefore we can send an SMS to the phone at will. If IIWPO listens for a specific sms subject line then we could instruct it to disable the phone in some fashion that can be reversed and display a message to this end "tell" the thief to return the phone no questions asked etc. If still no luck then we could send a signal forever killing the phone. Am I watching too many spy movies? ;-)
Hope you like the idea. Sounds fun to me. Regards

I like the idea :twisted: , but since am not a CE developer (and I did not develop IIWPO either, just put the parts that were there together for use on a Himalaya) I have no idea whether or not this is possible.
Maybe any of the real xda-developers see a possibility here :?:

k_kirk said:
Edsub,
I am wondering if the already excellent IIWPO could be further enhanced by a simple but witty add-on. I am imagining the capability to receive a Kill-Signal via SMS. If all attemps to recover the phone fails because the person who holds it has not put in a full & proper owner name + address we still have a phone number right? Therefore we can send an SMS to the phone at will. If IIWPO listens for a specific sms subject line then we could instruct it to disable the phone in some fashion that can be reversed and display a message to this end "tell" the thief to return the phone no questions asked etc. If still no luck then we could send a signal forever killing the phone. Am I watching too many spy movies? ;-)
Hope you like the idea. Sounds fun to me. Regards
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This is possible, and was used on an HP Jornado 928 ...
On this handset, a simple SMS containing a specific codeword or PIN would 'lock' the handset so that it could not be used. Quite useful and as far as I know unique to the HP Jornado 928.
Anyone know any different ?
Cheers
Mark

wow!! this would be great for the PPC! ive tried something like this in my symbian NOKIA 6600! and its very useful!! if you change the sim the phone will automatically send a message to your predefined numbers containing some info on the current location of your phone... and if you send a code to it thru SMS it will lock up and it cant be used unless you flash it or something.. i bet the PPC version is even greater!! cant wait for a full version!

Marc MD said:
wow!! this would be great for the PPC! ive tried something like this in my symbian NOKIA 6600! and its very useful!! if you change the sim the phone will automatically send a message to your predefined numbers containing some info on the current location of your phone... and if you send a code to it thru SMS it will lock up and it cant be used unless you flash it or something.. i bet the PPC version is even greater!! cant wait for a full version!
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im using a 7610 nokia n was wondering wat is the software ur using for ur nokia 6600 thanks

I would like the facility to electrocute the new "owner" through the ear when he makes a call, 50,000 volts would be fine. Or maybe a spring bolt that would activate and shatter his jaw.

Perhaps the local police station...
cruisin-thru said:
I would like the facility to electrocute the new "owner" through the ear when he makes a call, 50,000 volts would be fine. Or maybe a spring bolt that would activate and shatter his jaw.
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My wife lost her handphone to some dishonest fella who picks it up and perhaps remove the SIM/off the HP.
Perhaps we can have it SMS your selected police station on startup and replay an SMS with your customised message:
"Yeah baby! I've stolen this handphone and there is NOTHING that you bloody incompetent slobs can do about it! <vulgarities applied here>!"
<repeat 100 times>
In my country, we can have different numbers for neighbourhood police post. The SMS will be repeated as a robotic voice message to the LAND phone as well.
I can at least ensure that the message does not go into a generic 911 number. :twisted:

[email protected] said:
im using a 7610 nokia n was wondering wat is the software ur using for ur nokia 6600 thanks
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the apps name is theft alert! very useful app indeed for the Nokia Symbian that is...

oooops sorry.... double post...
@henrylim
well that is entirely possible!!! and that is a damn good idea you have there!

hey will this work on a WM5 device (PDA2K upgraded)? If so will it be the same steps?

Once more: request for answeringmachine-software

Hi there!
As mentioned in one thread earlier, there may be no real need for an call-answeringmachine-software in the UK or USA, but there is in austria, germany, and some other countries.
The feature to give special callers an personalized away-message would be really great. So you could tell your firends or family an nice "sorry, i'm working but i'll call cou back soon" and your buisines-friends tell "sorry, please call back later" ;-) :wink:
In the mentioned countries you pay for a call you do, not for receiving calls. So to listen your messages costs.
For these two reasons, and 'cause the software exists even for a series60 phone :evil: this bit of software would be GREAT.
So, maybe one of the real great programmers could do this? :roll:
What do you mean?
Yours
Pedro

As I've posted 100 times before, such a program is _impossible_ on any of our devices. This is a limitation of OS and GSM hardware.

And besides, there is always the call forwarding feature w/c you can use to divert calls to your home or office answering machine.

i have seen such answering machine software on simbian cell phones. and even much more functional than a simple answering machine, having the ability to play diiferent messages for different nos.
why nobody tries to write such a program for PPC.
If you state that it's impossible to have such program , can you explain to me in details why is that?

I would not explain anything.
Read MSDN. TAPI don't support wave IO. GSM modem don't support voice modem AT commands. And Windows Mobile is not a Symbian.

:shock: :shock: :shock:

I don't understnad ?!?!?!
:shock: Y it's not possible ???we have an option automatic pickup all what u have to do is to develop a software that will play a small message & the start recording after the beep :!: :?:
I guess only i think there will be the surrounding noise always there ???!!!
But it could start like that !!!! :roll: What about reading the messages stored on the SIM if we can read the contacts & save them on the PDA y not also read the messages & saves them also on the PDA???
:wink:

SMS Filter
I am more for a SMS Filter.

Re: I don't understnad ?!?!?!
nabilaj said:
:shock: Y it's not possible ???we have an option automatic pickup all what u have to do is to develop a software that will play a small message & the start recording after the beep :!: :?:
I guess only i think there will be the surrounding noise always there ???!!!
But it could start like that !!!! :roll: What about reading the messages stored on the SIM if we can read the contacts & save them on the PDA y not also read the messages & saves them also on the PDA???
:wink:
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Don't forget there is the mute button, maybe the mute function could be used when the call is answered and a wav file is played to the caller over the radio interface?

under developing
I have "answering machine" for XDA, right under developing and testing.
I'm looking for sponsor who buy my working time. then I can finish.
$20000 excl. taxes

Answering Machine under development
Hehehe, I still believe that it's not possible to do it, although JGUI claims that he's doing it.
I mean mamaich said it's impossible, and the guy knows what he's talking about.
Anyways I believe that in case it was done, it'd be nice to have one.

Answering Machine under development
Hehehe, I still believe that it's not possible to do it, although JGUI claims that he's doing it.
I mean mamaich said it's impossible, and the guy knows what he's talking about.
Anyways I believe that in case it was done, it'd be nice to have one.

I think that we need to deserve some respect for this guy IMHO ....
http://www.jgui.net/DND/

his site has a rather funny screenshot of black BA running WM2K5. This can be possible only in one case - he has some friends in MS. And in this case it is also possible that he has obtained there a custom radio ROM that supports voice-modem features. Lets wait for the release of his software, and I'll check that.

From The Reputation JGUI Has aruound here i would expect anything but buggy software. Just Do a searc of his name and you'll be able to read the woes of his clients.... even try it at HoFo

[Q] OUTGOING call waiting notification

hi all,
i've been looking for the outgoing call waiting notification feature since the very first time i've started using windows mobile phones.. its like this; when i call someone and that someone is on a call with another person, i should get a message saying that the person is on a call so that i'd know that he is busy with another call.. this feature is on the very oldest fones and its a shame that its not on windows mobiles.. well, not a shame really, the "great" iphone doesnt have it either anyways, its a great feature to have.. it seem the feature is missing in windows mobile, microsoft must've missed it in the making.. however, after a looooooong time, i've read around the net that the samsung omnia displays this notification saying tht the party am calling is on a call so that i'd know that am disturbing a person on a call.. can anyone confirm this and try to rip it off the omnias rom so that we can use it on other windows mobile phones?? if so its gonna be a dream come true for all windows mobile users..

Very true! i'm also awaiting this missing functioanlity in Windows Mobile.
I Guess we should post this thread in the general section of this forum. If possible Admin move this thread there to get better exposure! and quick solution by our great xda team!

I seriously need this fuction. Anybody managed to fix this ? Please help !

does anyone have an omnia to check this and mix some files from the omnia's with the touch hd..?

I'm very interesting in this post and the solution if it has... It´s very much time with this problem... None of the experts can help us in this post...
Regards,

I don't have this problem.
If i call someone and this person is in a call i can hear that.

very very weird.. I cannot understand how such an important notification feature is missing.

GoldCoin said:
I don't have this problem.
If i call someone and this person is in a call i can hear that.
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How do you do that ? and what do you hear ?

GoldCoin said:
I don't have this problem.
If i call someone and this person is in a call i can hear that.
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Thats because your operator does that for you.. not all operators does this.. but all fones except winmo and iphone shows a notification saying the other party is on a call.. but whats interesting is the SAMSUNG OMNIA can do this and its winmo.. so if it can, it means all winmo can do it..
and whats sad is, no one can still mix up the files of the OMNIA with the touch hd (or any other winmo fone). is there anyone out there who knows how to mess with stuff and who is willing to do some experimenting? comon guys, its really a wish come true for all of us winmo users..

Appu said:
Thats because your operator does that for you.. not all operators does this.. but all fones except winmo and iphone shows a notification saying the other party is on a call.. but whats interesting is the SAMSUNG OMNIA can do this and its winmo.. so if it can, it means all winmo can do it..
and whats sad is, no one can still mix up the files of the OMNIA with the touch hd (or any other winmo fone). is there anyone out there who knows how to mess with stuff and who is willing to do some experimenting? comon guys, its really a wish come true for all of us winmo users..
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Wait a minute. Omnia can do this ? this is not a missing feature in WM ? WTF !? Why do we always have to suffer with the OS ?

Xeon said:
Wait a minute. Omnia can do this ? this is not a missing feature in WM ? WTF !? Why do we always have to suffer with the OS ?
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yup, u heard me right.. i tested it myself on the omnia of a friend.. but i dont have one with me to play with it and experiment.. and my friend wont give me his fone to do the stuff.. if only someone here could help.. i think omnia's fone app is able to do this.. if it can do, why cant we have it on our touch hd and other hundreds of winmo fones??

i dont think it has something to do with the applications but I just cannot understand how it is working on ohmnia !!!!!!!

So much time without solution, I think that the problem will never be solved.
Regards friends,

i do hear a busy tone and on the phone screen i get "busy". why don't you???

This is something the operator does. First of all, the person you are calling should have the 'call waiting' service enabled. Then if you call him/her, the operator should provide you with different tone (not calling or busy) and you will know that the other party is in a call and he/she will get a notification that you are waiting on the second line (that's also done by the operator). So don't blame Microsoft for something that's not actualy their fault. Blame them for something that's their fault .

tkolev said:
This is something the operator does. First of all, the person you are calling should have the 'call waiting' service enabled. Then if you call him/her, the operator should provide you with different tone (not calling or busy) and you will know that the other party is in a call and he/she will get a notification that you are waiting on the second line (that's also done by the operator). So don't blame Microsoft for something that's not actualy their fault. Blame them for something that's their fault .
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I think you are not getting anything here. I have the same sim card and the same services running and I am calling the same party... I get a Waiting popup message on the screen with NOKIA phones and Connecting... with WM device. Anybody can confirm that the notification works with omnia ?

yeah xeon, i gues its me and u only who gets what we're talking about.. different tone or not, other fones including nokias, motorolas, sony ericssons and all shows a message saying that the other party is on a call.. and about windows mobile, i donno about the xperia but the omnia does this for sure, i checked it myself.. a litte waiting text shows up in the fone app, where the operator name is mostly.. anyways, is there any person who'd like to help us out by checking in omnia?? and maybe they could extract files from the omnia's rom which can/might be able to use on other windows mobile fones.. i guess microsoft did miss out an important feature.. i guess they are to blame..
even htc did miss it out in their dial pad.. but samsung have included the feature in their dial pad, so i think its more than possible for us to have this feature on all windows mobile phones coz yota contacts came to our fones, xtrakt can be played on out hds, the facebook app in wm 6.5 can be used, and there are so many more.. i just wish a developer with an omnia who is interested in this feature would help us

look at my pic in post 14. what else do you expect? what else do u need? a pop-up notice? anyway, imho the most important thing here is the "busy" tone i get because even if i'll have a full screen pop-up i'll probably miss it when the phone is at my ear and probably with the screen off already.

KukurikU said:
look at my pic in post 14. what else do you expect? what else do u need? a pop-up notice? anyway, imho the most important thing here is the "busy" tone i get because even if i'll have a full screen pop-up i'll probably miss it when the phone is at my ear and probably with the screen off already.
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no my friend.. thats because the person who u call has call waiting disabled.. that happens to all of us too.. the REAL case is, if the person who u are calling is on a call WITH call waiting ENABLED, we should know that he is on a call/i am on waiting instead of ringing continuosly without us knowing he's on a call and am on waiting.. hope this clears your doubt..

KukurikU said:
look at my pic in post 14. what else do you expect? what else do u need? a pop-up notice? anyway, imho the most important thing here is the "busy" tone i get because even if i'll have a full screen pop-up i'll probably miss it when the phone is at my ear and probably with the screen off already.
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I expect What other phones do. We should not get Connecting.. or Busy ( actually u cannot get busy because you will get disconnected and you shouldnt for a simple reason that the other party should have the possibility to swap between you and the other person on hold ). I will explain it for the last time :
When you call someone the phone status is :
1- Dialing ... --> Connected, the phone vibrates and the screen goes off
--> Busy, the other party is no accepting calls and has
call waiting feature disabled. Line is dropped
Now when you dial a person number that has the call waiting enabled other phones behave like :
2- Dialing... --> Connecting, Waiting notification on your screen and the other party receives a request to either reject you
( this is where you get the busy) or accept your call...
and hence you get connected and the screen goes off.
Now with HD, You do not get any hint that the person you are calling is currently having a conversation with someone else and you keep on waiting for him to either answer or reject you whereas with Omnia you do.

windows mobile 6 style dialer screen for wp7

ok so i was checking out a wp7 phone yesterday for the first time and everything was looking great.. but i noticed the dialer screen is just the dialpad and a display of the numbers you have punched in.. does the job but come on.. how about some innovation..
i have a windows mobile 6 phone and when i start dialing a number, it shows me suggestions from contacts and more importantly, recently dialed numbers..
so for example if i called someone 2 weeks ago.. and i only vaguely remember the number, i can punch in the first 2 or 3 digits and the rest will show right up...
anything like this possible on wp7?? its kind of important for me

wmcookie said:
ok so i was checking out a wp7 phone yesterday for the first time and everything was looking great.. but i noticed the dialer screen is just the dialpad and a display of the numbers you have punched in.. does the job but come on.. how about some innovation..
i have a windows mobile 6 phone and when i start dialing a number, it shows me suggestions from contacts and more importantly, recently dialed numbers..
so for example if i called someone 2 weeks ago.. and i only vaguely remember the number, i can punch in the first 2 or 3 digits and the rest will show right up...
anything like this possible on wp7?? its kind of important for me
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this feature is called 'smart dialling' yes it is missing from wp7. but microsoft hace said tht in the next update, coming ver soon, it will have this feature

oh i see.. so im not the only one hoping for this feature.. thanks for the info.. you wouldn't happen to have a link to somewhere where i can read about it? did microsoft publish this information online?
thanks.

wmcookie said:
oh i see.. so im not the only one hoping for this feature.. thanks for the info.. you wouldn't happen to have a link to somewhere where i can read about it? did microsoft publish this information online?
thanks.
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sorry not sure where I had the link but a simple google search will give you the answer.anyway yesterday at the mwc the new update is confirmed for a march release.

still really looking forward to this... haven't heard anything so far..also, it looks like the mango update will not be bringing this feature.
i did buy a samsung focus after creating this thread and the lack of smart dial is killing me.. i'm actually thinking of getting another windows mobile phone until this feature is implemented