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XDA II - Wi-Fi Support - SDIO Slot or Internet Slot

I have heard conflicting information on this. I have heard that the XDA II can support a SDIO wi-fi card using the built-in SDIO slot.. I have also heard that the XDA II has a slot under the battery cover designed for a wi-fi module. Which one, or possibly both, are correct?

this post is being done on my xda over wireless lan using a 60 pound sandisk sd wifi card, much neater than the backpak, and its availabe now.
john

XDA or XDA II
Your XDA or XDA II with wifi? If its the XDA, with only an SD slot, I'd like to know!

No i am using a XDA 11, as you are right the XDA 1 dose not work with SDIO devices
John

Hey Applecom, where did you get the Sandisk SDIO Wifi card from, and how much did it cost?
Lee.

I got one at CompUSA. They cost $137.79 incl. Tax
But it wont work in my dang XDA. I will have to wait for XDA II
I am sure I heard someone say that there IS a card out there somewhere that will make this thing WiFi capable. I wish I knew who made it... and how they did it.
Now that McDonalds is offering WiFi for FREE, I need this!!!

Way too much!!
Try eBay shops - £57.95
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3056357831&category=449963

58 quid for the SDIO card sounds excellent but since it's coming from the US, if customs people nab it, VAT will be charged as well as a stupid customs charge of around 15-20 quid making it very similar to a UK price.
Anyone buying from that eBay shop get 'caught' by customs?

From the last 6 months i have been purchasing stuf from blueproton (ebay) i normally get about £250 of SD memory cards and recently some SD WiFi cards we use a $25 Fed Ex letter its always here 2 days after he posts Customes have not been intrested i have had 9 or 10 shipments.
He will use a $5 USPS envalope if you just have 1 SD WiFi Card i have also used them befor when having thing sent here to the UK and have also been lucky with customes, But when i have a "parcel" rather than a letter size envalope customes always seem to get it and charge me
John

Yup, same here, small packages have much more chance, I got hit for $50 last week when a friend sent 4 of those digitravelers to me so I could convert them for friends.

I read some reviews that the SD wifi cards were much slower than other wifi cards, something to do with SD cards not properly being designed to access speeds of upto 10Mb (not byte) per second.
Anyhow, pehaps you wouldnt need hi speed connections for your usage. There are some nice sandisk wifi cards out now, with combined storage and wifi support.

Socket SDIO Card

Anyone using this card with any success?
http://www.socketcom.com/product/WL6200-480.asp
(I have an MDA Compact variant if that makes any difference....)

i don't know where i read it, but i think it is identical in construction with the sandisk wlan card.
cheers

ok - thanks for the info

I have had it for one year
Much better than Sandisk, buy it

I use sandisk and have no problems. Highly recommend it. Why do you say it isn't as good?

XDA IIi SD Card problems - is this true?

This site claims that there are problems with the sd card slot in the 2i - and the symptoms that they give seem very similar to the ones I am experiencing. Can anyone confirm or deny this? And if its true is there anyway of getting around it?
Thanks
http://www.digireader.com/view_blog.asp?blog_id=208&author_id=2

as i long user of the 2i I can say without a doubt there is a problem with the sd cards as i suffered for over 3 months or more of pure frustration and almost throwing the thing away .
but in the end it was down to the sd card speed ,it doesn't really matter what size you have but it's the speed of the card at the moment i am using a 512 transcend 80X card and it has been running perfectly for the past 4 months or so without any problems .there have been plenty people who have now tried the transcend card and found it to be well 1 of the best so i would recomend you buying 1 of these asap ,if you do a google you should find a place selling 1 of these but just make sure it's has a speed of 80x or else you will have the same problems ..also if you wish to get a bigger card the 1meg works okas well

Hmm, I can't say I'm at all happy with that. I have now borrowed a 512mb card and magically all my problems disappear. its the same make and model as my 1gb card so I can't see its a brand issue.
Are o2 aware of the problem? If they are then I think they're breaking the law by continuing to sell the thing.
Does the problem exist with the 2s as well? If not I might go back to o2 and insist they swap it over...
Thanks for your reply

Hi.
I've had an XDA IIi for a few months and had lots of problems with the phone freezing (especially with tomtom 5). The problems got noticeably worse when using "turbo" mode too.
I emailed tomtom for help with navigator and the strange locking up. After a month, they replied to me and said that the pda must use 80x cards or faster... i bought an 150x 2Gb card and haven't looked back...
The phone can now do it all... i use ttn5 with traffic addon whilst driving and use pocket music to play mp3s at the same time and i'm still able to answer the phone to accept calls...
the only problem i've had with a 2Gb SD-Card is that i can ONLY read/write it in the XDA IIi - no other PDA will touch it and no card reader will recognise it.

dango99 said:
Hi.
i bought an 150x 2Gb card and haven't looked back...
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What brand is your card?
Having already sprung for a 1Gb card I'd hate to have to spend out again becasue of inadequacies in the xda hardware... however if it was an upgrade to 2Gb I might be able to better justify it.
Perhaps this info about card speeds should be posted in the FAQ so that new users have at least some warning of the 2i's problems with SD...

mine is an "a-data" myflash 2gb from here: www.emartbuy.com
£91.65 inc VAT
hope this helps you!
Dan

I would just like to say thanks for this topic, the two problems i've had with the PDA2 (XDAIIi) since i got it earlier this year have been fixed by taking out my 60 speed 1gb sd card.
problem 1: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=136972
problem 2: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=166348

microSDHC Memory Cards

Hi,
I've been searching this forum for information about micro SDHC memory cards that can be used with the Kaiser P4550 and found that the A-Data company seems to make nice ones (fast read and write speeds) as tested by kms108 here;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=341277
However I cannot find where to purchase A-Data cards from within the UK. I have been looking for a Class 6 4GB memory card and have only been able to find one which I can purchase. It is by PEAK Company who are located in Taiwan I believe. I don't know if this card is good/compatible but I assume it will be;
http://www.peakhardware.com/products/productdetail.asp?Id=325&A=2&B=3&C=35
I have found out that the read speed of this card is 22.5MB/s (high?) but the write speed is 11.84MB/s. (low?)
If anyone can suggest an alternative class 6 SDHC 4GB card which I can purchase online from the UK or from a shop here I would be very appreciative. Also I would just like to buy a card that doesn't come with adapters and other devices lol.
When using a memory card within the PDA phone would the write speed actually matter in relation to the read speed for normal usage or should I just worry about the read speed?
Thanks

Just put one of these in my Kaiser last night. They have the 4GB too. These folks ship all over the world. Don't know what it'll cost to get across the pond though...
B&H

LordNubus said:
Hi,
I've been searching this forum for information about micro SDHC memory cards that can be used with the Kaiser P4550 and found that the A-Data company seems to make nice ones (fast read and write speeds) as tested by kms108 here;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=341277
However I cannot find where to purchase A-Data cards from within the UK. I have been looking for a Class 6 4GB memory card and have only been able to find one which I can purchase. It is by PEAK Company who are located in Taiwan I believe. I don't know if this card is good/compatible but I assume it will be;
http://www.peakhardware.com/products/productdetail.asp?Id=325&A=2&B=3&C=35
I have found out that the read speed of this card is 22.5MB/s (high?) but the write speed is 11.84MB/s. (low?)
If anyone can suggest an alternative class 6 SDHC 4GB card which I can purchase online from the UK or from a shop here I would be very appreciative. Also I would just like to buy a card that doesn't come with adapters and other devices lol.
When using a memory card within the PDA phone would the write speed actually matter in relation to the read speed for normal usage or should I just worry about the read speed?
Thanks
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If the peaks memory card does offer that speed you have mention, then it's faster than the adata, but do remember a class 4 may not neccessary be slower than the class 6, do consider the sandisk 6GB or 8GB, the results are better than the adata, even with the test done on a low spec PC, for me I will not consider the peaks, haven't heard of it, go for a branded one, the sandisk can be found from many uk online store.
higher speed memory cards do offer a slightly improvement even on phones and PDA, but are more noticable on a PC.
FYI
test results can only be taken into consideration if done by consumers (the end user), and not by the manufacture.
if you are interested on any of the memory card in the test, I have some of them and they are readly available, you must have paypal, do PM me.
kms

Thanks for the replies and info I guess ill be searching for the cheapest 4 or 6 gb sandisk card.

If you are shopping online in the UK be sure to avoid the following:
sandiskshop.co.uk
onlinememory.co.uk
pdaonline.co.uk
CarKitOnline.co.uk
but are all really anpruk.com
See this thread for more details http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=345945
If you like to actually receive a product when you pay, best steer well clear of these crooks.

hey thanks for informing me about the crooks stuart_f . That really leaves me stumped about where to purchase a card from lol. I might buy it from http://bargainmemorycards.co.uk
Please help Many thanks.
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I have just found a 4GB class 6 A-Data that I can purchase online in the UK but its relatively expensive...might as well get a 6GB sandisk card for that amount i think.
https://www.memory-configurator.co....o_microSDHC-TransFlash-Memory_Card/index.html

Just bought a 6GB SanDisk one Class 4 from Amazon....cheaper than eBay and works great.

Could i have a link to the one you purchased from amazon please...just to compare prices. did it come from another company or directly from amazon? thanks

LordNubus said:
Could i have a link to the one you purchased from amazon please...just to compare prices. did it come from another company or directly from amazon? thanks
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I really don't understand why some people rather ask and wait than just type in 'sandisk 6GB micro' in Amazon's search. Next time, try to do that on your own...
http://www.amazon.com/MicroSDHC-Ada...2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1197710976&sr=8-2

hey _Alex_ i had a look at amazon.co.uk actually i just wanted to confirm it was the same one. it comes with an adapter and reader etc which i didnt want. however the one that you referenced to is from amazon.com and i cant afford to ship from abroad. thanks anyway.

SDHC expansion card slot confirmed

According to this
http://www.clove.co.uk/dell-venue-pro
The Dell Venu Pro has an SDHC slot capable of handling the new 32GB cards, to don't forget to order a card with your phone. Remember you have to do a hard reset when you change cards, so it's easiest to bung a huge card in before you first switch it on to save pain later!

Wheres it say that? cannot see that at all on that site..

You're not looking very hard...

Incidentally, Expansys also confirm the SDHC slot is present.

Really sorry mate, I thought what you had said had been quoted from the site!
Tempts me even more at the Venue Pro now... £440 isnt a bad deal either and looks really nice.
Saw the HD7 in the O2 store today, looked lovely but I have a Touch Pro 2 and I really think I would miss a hardware keyboard if I went for another phone other than the Venue Pro or the HTC Pro 7

A NOTE ON WP7 AND SD CARDS:
At the moment, no publicly available microSD card has the correct characteristics to be used as internal memory for WP7.
The "Class" system for SD cards measures minimum bulk transfer speeds, while this is useful for devices like cameras, it is not so good if the SD card is being used as a device's main storage.
This is not FUD or BS - the micro SD cards being shipped with the phones have a lower latency and random read\write rates than the normal ones you can purchase.
The reason they are including user-accessible slots is such that 1) the carriers can offer different capacity sizes in-store when selling the phone and 2) (hopefully) in the near future they may be cards that are publicly available with the correct characteristics that can be certified to work with WP7.
For the time being, I would recommend holding off on buying a micro SD card for your WP7.

TehPenguin said:
A NOTE ON WP7 AND SD CARDS:
At the moment, no publicly available microSD card has the correct characteristics to be used as internal memory for WP7.
The "Class" system for SD cards measures minimum bulk transfer speeds, while this is useful for devices like cameras, it is not so good if the SD card is being used as a device's main storage.
This is not FUD or BS - the micro SD cards being shipped with the phones have a lower latency and random read\write rates than the normal ones you can purchase.
The reason they are including user-accessible slots is such that 1) the carriers can offer different capacity sizes in-store when selling the phone and 2) (hopefully) in the near future they may be cards that are publicly available with the correct characteristics that can be certified to work with WP7.
For the time being, I would recommend holding off on buying a micro SD card for your WP7.
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http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/windows-phone-7-does-support-removable-storage-proof
Sorry, I call BS!

how to do a hard reset on wp7
on iphone, when i do a hard reset, the OS is also wiped
is it the same on wp7???
i'm newbie on wp7

Adam86 said:
Really sorry mate, I thought what you had said had been quoted from the site!
Tempts me even more at the Venue Pro now... £440 isnt a bad deal either and looks really nice.
Saw the HD7 in the O2 store today, looked lovely but I have a Touch Pro 2 and I really think I would miss a hardware keyboard if I went for another phone other than the Venue Pro or the HTC Pro 7
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I know exactly what you mean - I had a play with a HD7 in my local O2 store and was really really impressed by how fluid and responsive WP7 is. The handset is far better in the flesh than on video reviews and photos. Loved it!
I have the Dell Venue pro on pre-order at Clove.co.uk and Im very tempted to go with the HD7 now...
What do I do!?!?!

So, we now get told yes, there are slots, but you can't use them
So my question now is, when will we be able to buy them( I will personally pay$150 for a class 6 32GB micro SD)
Luckily I don't need a new phone yet, but I also don't want to sit on the outside for 5 months without any new hardware.

bigsro said:
I know exactly what you mean - I had a play with a HD7 in my local O2 store and was really really impressed by how fluid and responsive WP7 is. The handset is far better in the flesh than on video reviews and photos. Loved it!
I have the Dell Venue pro on pre-order at Clove.co.uk and Im very tempted to go with the HD7 now...
What do I do!?!?!
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Bear in mind the HD7 doesn't have an SD card slot, nor does it have an AMOLED screen or Gorilla Glass. The Venue Pro has all that plus 1GB ROM and a hardware keyboard. And it's cheaper.

Michael_W_L said:
So, we now get told yes, there are slots, but you can't use them
So my question now is, when will we be able to buy them( I will personally pay$150 for a class 6 32GB micro SD)
Luckily I don't need a new phone yet, but I also don't want to sit on the outside for 5 months without any new hardware.
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Class 6 32GB Micro SDHC cards aren't available yet AFAIK.
Also, yes you CAN use the SD card slot on the Venue Pro. Please pay attention. You just slip the SD card in and do a hard reset. Easy-peasy.

Jim Coleman said:
Class 6 32GB Micro SDHC cards aren't available yet AFAIK.
Also, yes you CAN use the SD card slot on the Venue Pro. Please pay attention. You just slip the SD card in and do a hard reset. Easy-peasy.
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Class 6 SD cards are available, I believe Kingston claims to have a Class 10. But remember that the 'Class' system only refers to minimum bulk continuous read\write - not latency or random read\write.
And, yes, you technically CAN use the card slot. What I am saying is that it is NOT RECOMMENDED.
I know some of you won't believe me\Microsoft's own documentation, but the WP7 guys did tests with standard SD cards and they could not achieve the performance they were targeting and, in some cases, caused strange behavior, serious slow downs and even crashes.
So it is possible but, like everything else on this site, you do it at your own risk.

Surely there must be a legitimate technical/design requirement as to why expansion slots are not on the first batch of handsets?
Also if they are going to use custom cards for system/storage doesnt this kind of increase costs?
Jim - good shout on the Venue Pro advantages! I was having a weak moment - I want a WP7 handset now! lol

TehPenguin said:
Class 6 SD cards are available, I believe Kingston claims to have a Class 10. But remember that the 'Class' system only refers to minimum bulk continuous read\write - not latency or random read\write.
And, yes, you technically CAN use the card slot. What I am saying is that it is NOT RECOMMENDED.
I know some of you won't believe me\Microsoft's own documentation, but the WP7 guys did tests with standard SD cards and they could not achieve the performance they were targeting and, in some cases, caused strange behavior, serious slow downs and even crashes.
So it is possible but, like everything else on this site, you do it at your own risk.
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Thank You for explaining that!
There is no information though on when there might be cards available which a normal person could buy?

bigsro said:
Surely there must be a legitimate technical/design requirement as to why expansion slots are not on the first batch of handsets?
Also if they are going to use custom cards for system/storage doesnt this kind of increase costs?
Jim - good shout on the Venue Pro advantages! I was having a weak moment - I want a WP7 handset now! lol
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Sounds about like how they use a custom HDD for their Xbox.... :|

I can go through a few hard resets...unless there is issue with identification of device.
If not then I can use a hard reset

It seems to be less custom cards, in the fact that they can only be sourced through MS, but higher performance cards, unlike the HDDs which are just a rip-off.
Seeing as the cards memory seems to be completely added to the standard, much faster flash memory, it would bog down the system when being accessed, compared to the faster flash used in the phone memory.

If there is such a thing as a class 6 or 10 32GB Micro SDHC card, I'd very much like to see a link to it so I can make a purchase. My class 2 is in the post as it's the fastest I could find.
The notion that putting an SD card in a phone's SD card slot is "NOT RECOMMENDED" is rubbish and again I'd love to see a reference that shows this is the case.
I saw a Focus review where they put a 32GB card in the SD slot and other than having to do a hard reset, they had no problems at all.
WP7 presents the combined internal and SD card storage as one block to the applications, but I'm sure that deep in the OS it knows the difference and uses the faster internal memory when efficiency calls for it.

I just received my Sandisk 32GB Micro SDHC and although it was advertised as class 2, it is in fact class 4! Rejoice!