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Hi All
I've got an O2 XDA Mini S which I've set up using the corporate option, so I no longer have the O2 Software running.
Whenever I start a new conversation in MSN messenger, the soft keyboard pops up, even if the real keyboard is exposed.
This is really annoying as I have to minimise the soft keyboard on every new conversation.
Can anyone help?
Driving me mad! :roll: LOL
D'Oh!
Just tried to make a word document and it's doing the same thing!!!
GRRRRR!
I have tried setting the input options from keyboard to phonepad and it's still doing it.
just start typing (DON'T click it away!). for me after that it remembers that i don't want to use the onscreen keyboard.
OK, so I just rebooted the machine and it's not popping up now.
However, the MSN chat window is all squashed up at the top of the screen... As if there was a softkeyboard there.
I think I'm going to have to get used to the occasional reboot on this!
Thanks for your quick response!
Clicking on the SIP button in the bottom right should disable the soft keyboard, and according to some, it should retain that setting. I don't have a Wiz so I can't confirm, but one way or the other, it might help you to install a dummy SIP. PHM Tools installs one.
PHM Ext. Keyboard SIP PowerToy
The PHM Ext. Keyboard is an empty input panel you can use when you have an external keyboard connected (such as thumb, collapsible, foldable, wireless, ... keyboard) and do not want an input panel to take valuable screen estate.
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yah this annoys me as well, when browsing in landscape and BOOM this keyboard that covers have the screen pops up! you can't even see what yoru typing...
anyway i remember reading a fix for this somewher, but it was before i got the device. anyone know where its at?
Hey, I changed mine from keyboard to the transcriber, it doesn't seem to popup now and it also give a full screen while on msn rather than only half screen where the keyboard should be.
Just tried this... Thanks!
It gives more of the screen available to MSN, but still not full screen for me.
If I click on the transcriber icon at the bottom of the screen, then click on it again to minimise it, I then get full screen.
Weird problems!
want to try the PHM Ext. Keyboard SIP PowerToy but theire website is down since some time. Could anybody please upload the files in this forum or somewhere else? (eg RapidShare.com,...)
THX!!!
CIAO!
VOODOOS!L
PHM tools
I think they're all down for updates.
Here's a zip of all of them.
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so what exactly does that do? i don't want to install anything that can be solved by a reg edit. (dont have a mem card yet)
Fone - one of the cabs installs a dummy SIP called external keyboard or something. It's for people that use external keyboards, basically don't one the built in ones popping up all the time.
It's small, I'd install it if you have a need. If you really don't need the built in keyboards and want a registry only solution, you can disable the SIPs through the registry. Not recommended though.
V
Alternatively, as it's just 1 install:
http://www.freewareppc.com/utilities/nullkeyboard.shtml
( could probably hack apart the PHM tools CAB just as well )
thanks a lot, just what i needed!!
CIAO!
VOODOOS!L
Excellent! Works a treat!! Thank You.
Ahh, null keyboard is by beemer. He's a great coder, check out his today plugins for wondrous pleasures.
These null keyboard type things do pretty much the same thing, ie nothing. However, if you're really geeky, Brighthand forums has a large review of a number of them. Use whatever works though.
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its ok, i'll go ahean and install it. i just thought somehow someone could make a couple regedits that would tell the device if in landscape dont show onscreen keyboard. but i guess its more complex than i thought.
short of intercepting it, I don't think so
Technically, software needs to check they keyboard status, and then suppress the SIP from popping up when activating text entry elements (stuff's in MSDN somewhere). Thing is - most people are either too lazy to do so, or aren't aware of any need to do so, or just don't know they -can- do so
There is a registry entry (at least in mine) HasExtKeyboard or something to that effect. I set it from 0 to 1, but it does nothing. Do a registry search for it. Perhaps someone can make a SIP that will normally not pop up anything, but with a keystroke or a tap on the icon will pop it up when you need it.
I'd just like a slim SIP that would have keys like Cut/Copy/Paste/Undo, etc.
There is a registry entry (at least in mine) HasExtKeyboard or something to that effect. I set it from 0 to 1, but it does nothing. Do a registry search for it. Perhaps someone can make a SIP that will normally not pop up anything, but with a keystroke or a tap on the icon will pop it up when you need it.
I'd just like a slim SIP that would have keys like Cut/Copy/Paste/Undo, etc.
a042349 at HowardForums wrote this post:
OK,
I hate that pop-up KB as well. I tried all the reg hacks and nullkb's I could find and on both my HP6515 and now on my 8125 it would always revert to the software screen KB and pop up at the most annoying times.
Well in doing some poking around I discovered a reg key that COMPLETELY elimnates the soft KB from popping up - great news. The bad news (there's always bad news) is that it completely prevents ANY of the SIP panels from coming up when you want them to, or from working in general.
So if you do this hack you are completely dependent on the 8125/9100 hardware keyboard. Now I've been running like this for over a year on two different devices and it works for me. The one thing I did was extract the "cut, copy and paste" icons out of an old "PHM Keys" I had and put them on the Start Menu so that I can now use those instead of the Ctrl-C, Ctrl-X, Ctrl-P when I need to. Works fine, but takes up three slots on my Start Menu.
You could also create a backup reg file, and one with the setting I'll give you, and then import them and reboot to turn the hack on or off. It does require a reboot so it's not an ideal solution, and I know the key by heart so i do it manually if I ever need it - which I never have:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\ControlPanel\Sip\AllowChange=1
Change that entry from a 1 to a 0 and reboot. No more KB, Block Recognizer, Transcriber - nothing but the HW keyboard.
Try it you'll like it!
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From what I know (I didn't try it yet), it totally prevents the SIP from appearing, and that would probably include portrait mode when the hardware keyboard is not available. A soft-reset may be required between changes, too.
Is there a way someone can make a program to prevent the SIP from appearing in landscape mode at all, yet make it available in portrait mode?
I use my device in both modes, so I wouldn't want to lose complete functionality of the SIP.
Any ideas?
Hi everybody!
I may have an alternative to killing SIPs altogether:
All SIP DLLs are registered under HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID, each with its unique identifier. The name of the SIP (which you see in the menu is stored in the default value) SIP key has two sub keys: InProcServer which tells the system where to find the DLL and IsSIPInputMethod with it's default value set to one.
One idea is to create a fake SIP key that will point to a non existent DLL and then select that SIP in the menu. The system will try to call up the SIP but it will fail until you select a valid one.
Hope this will help
Hardware Keyboard only in Landscape
On the Universal the combination of PQZ (to assign different SIPs to landscape and portrait, should work on other devices too) and PHMs "NoDoSIP" (registers a SIP that does nothing) works perfectly. Disable all SIPs not needed at all by setting the Reg Value (search for the SIP by name in the registry) Default under IsSIPInputMethod for that method to 0. You can rename your remaining SIPs there as well.
I'm skeptical, but willing to try...
As the originator of the quoted post in this thread I'm skeptical but certainly open minded that this solution would work.
And yes my method does require a reboot to enable/disable, so it's certainly not for the occasional use of the SIP.
In the past I had tried all manner of null kb's, and UID registry string swaps and other things to prevent unwanted SIP pop-ups.
What I would like is to have it ONLY come up when I invoke it - and NEVER on it's own. I wouldn't use it much (and haven't on two HW keyboard devices over the past year) but sure it would be handy for the odd time I need to type in portrait mode.
I may give this a shot after dinner tonight and see how it goes - at the very least I can always go back to my admittedly draconian total elimination of the SIP's that I have now.
I'll post my results later tonight.
-Joel (a042349)
And??
Works like a charm, right?
In landscape it just displays the hardware keyboard icon and the arrow to even allow to manually invoke any other SIP "on the fly".
And in portrait the selected SIP gets activated automatically.
Works flawlessly for me (on my Universal) since month.
Right man, works like a charm! Thanks for this hint!
GREAT
Its the little things that make my tilt a better device to use. I tried phmppcpt.rpr_arm_siponly.cab on my tilt with dutty's pre April 29th cab and it works to eliminate the landscape keyboard in messaging, notes and contacts, however I have a beta version of opera mobile 9.5 and it seems to have mind of its own, doing the exact oposite and making both keyboards nearly unusable. Anyone else experience this?, hopefully Opera will provide users with a choice of hardware keyboard only and not having the SIP popping up. I presume that Opera had a feature to do exactly what .cab does just for that application and now the .cab is reversing it. Seems to do about the same thing in Internet Explorer.
im using opera 9.5 too.. and nothing seems any different after installing the cab... SIP still pops up.. any idea how i could solve it?
Thanks.
the ironic part is that ez imput kb does an automatic switch between keaboards when flipped from portrait to landscape, is there a script or a reg hack edit that does this??? cuz we can use that engine to make the sip automatically change to null kb when switched to landscape, fully eliminating pop ups and soft keyboards when using your querty
no2chem nueslidingkb
i use no2chem's nueslidingkb on my mogul. it allows you to set different SIPs on protrait and landscape as well as customizing the sliding sounds. it works very well, i have intellipad on portrait and nullKB on landpscape.
It however does not work on my Fuze, it doesn't change the SIP to the set one when switched to landscape, maybe needs an update? i hope no2chem checks it out.
Is out (since 2/17) and works flawless at 96 DPI.
Fast, smooth, BIG contacts, nice skins
What's new:
- Category edit in contact
- Backspace button on phonepads
- New theme option in order to allow clean bubble
- Preloading of some image to allow smoother use
- Added menu to all panel, you can now choose the SIP while editing note or contact
- Performance enhancement
- Greatly enhanced performance in some scenarios
- SMS counter is back
- Bug fixes
http://pocketcm.com/contact.php
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May be it is well known, but if you push PHONE button for more than 250 msec a menu' will appear. Releasing the button PocketCM minimize itself, moving the finger to the other button's area you can choose the options menu'
Have you successfully installed pocketCM 0.2 on your athena?
I've tried several times but I never succeed in. The installation process doesn't cause any problem but the program graphic is completely a mess. I' have tired to change the theme with a VGA-compliant one but it doesn't work well anyway. Can you explain me how have you exactely installed it? I feel kind of idiot, but i badly need a decent contact manager (and the default one, in my opinion, it is not decent at all).
HI.
I just installed PCM Contacts in my Athena. It is necessary to install in the same
directory the vga-test.zip file that can be found in the Theme section of their forum.
This version wants directly the .zip files instead of the old .ctm (?) ones.
Hope this helps.
Mauro
I'm also a user of PocketCM. It just looks perfect on my Athena running with 128dpi.
It ist Important to use a vga skin (.zip file in the Versions newer than 0.15) !!
They also offer a very usable SIP (PocketCM Keyboard) that i use as a default.
Everything is freeware ans runs without any problems on my Athena.
On good thin is that PocketCM and PocketCM Keyboard can easily be set to other languages (German in my case) just by using an other skin.
Thanks to everybody. I've installed the program and the VGA them but still there are some issues. In addition of being a little slow, when I tap on the phone button the keyboard doesn't show up correctly. Can you send me the theme that works on your device?
filippo.visintinATgmail.com
i've got pocketcm0.20 and i basically use it for its threaded sms function...is there a way to map the hardware message button to go directly to pocketcm's sms function page instead of the WM sms page...or when i get a new message and click read or something to go directly to pocketcm's sms service?
here you have a VGA theme perferctly working with the athena. Thanks to Gidello, great job http://pocketcm.com/phorum/read.php?22,8595
bapssystupr3m3 said:
i've got pocketcm0.20 and i basically use it for its threaded sms function...is there a way to map the hardware message button to go directly to pocketcm's sms function page instead of the WM sms page...or when i get a new message and click read or something to go directly to pocketcm's sms service?
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anyone know of this??
try this one :
http://pocketcm.com/phorum/read.php?22,8595
SensorScroll uses the HTC Touch Diamond/PRO Gesture Wheel to scroll up and down inside windows which allow scrolling (has a scroll bar). It can also emulate key pressing instead of scrolling.
It is in beta stage, please use carefully. All bug reports, fresh ideas and recommendations are welcome.
Instructions:
1. Install the application. It adds shortcut in Programs and in \Windows\Startup folders!
2. Right after installation you can run the application from Programs shortcut to start using it. There is no need for soft reset to have it running for the first time!
3. To use the application open a Window with a vertical scroll bar like Programs or File Explorer and try rotating the scroll sensor clockwise for scroll down and counter clockwise for scroll up. Don't forget to try the touch action too (double tap on the central button to switch on/off and touch the direction keys)
4. To fine tune the application behavior use the SensorScroll Settings application
5. Have fun!
6. To stop, run it again and you will have an option to stop it.
Notes:
Inside installation folder there is a file named no_process.txt. The file contains a list of process names which will not be affected by the application (or by SensorScroll Settings). It already has some entries like opera, teeter, etc.
The application is freeware (and will always stay free)
Known issues:
* Does not work with GScroll ! Both programs act like they have disabled each other.
Todo:
* Clear the source code and add some comments
* Open the source code if i consider it good enough to be open
Search for new ideas:
We can do something with the rest of the touch sensitive area. I'm collecting ideas. We can use single, double or triple click. Known limitation: you could track press and release coordinates, but cannot track finger movement (at least I don't know how). If you come with a good idea please share it and post a reply. Thanks in advance!
History:
* v0.7.1 (20.05.2009)
- Fixed a nasty bug resulting in SensorScroll working with all programs including those who needs to be ignored
- Temporary removed windows enumeration in SensorScroll Settings. I'll try to put some more complex code to handle poorly working API functions in the next version.
* v0.7 (17.05.2009)
- Fully changed working principles. Should be much more stable and compatible now.
- Added support for screen rotation. Read the manual about the 3 key screen rotation.
- Added support for process identify. Read the manual.
- Added handling of power notifications. Now it should consume almost no CPU when suspended.
- Added support for preventing the device to go to suspended state while using the d-pad
- Added support for vibrate feedback for "touch gestures switch", "screen rotation", "process identify"
- Fixed problem with saving/loading settings with non english versions of windows mobile
- Fixed problem with double tap working not only for the center button, but also in other areas (home, back, call, end call)
- Removed process enumeration in SensorScroll Settings. This caused more problems then it solved.
Full version history can he found here
Old version 0.6 can be found here
Thanks. Works well so far. One early issue I noticed upon installing your .cab is my device freezes for no apparent reason. I am also running GScroll, may have something to do with that. I'll try disabling it and report back.
Great app...props already http://www.fuzemobility.com/?p=1479
mr.jcarter said:
Thanks. Works well so far. One early issue I noticed upon installing your .cab is my device freezes for no apparent reason. I am also running GScroll, may have something to do with that. I'll try disabling it and report back.
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Confirmed.... Does not play nice nice w/GScroll. After disabbling GScroll it works great unfortunately I need GScroll so I can have the double tap functionality to bring up SecondToday
Randomly the program will stop working (not sure if it completely shuts down or if its actually running, but not working). Instead of scrolling the page, it will start to scroll by each item. For example, in the Program menu it will go from app to app.
Works Perfectly for me.
Thanks!
The Mobile Spoon
Working perfect - thank you!
edit: after testing as already pointed out seems to turn off.
How does this compare with the cabs already out? I mean does it work in EVERY app? I mean I use RRE's Smart Touch Wheel Scroll.cab, but I'll try this one and see if there is any difference.
Kraize - this works in far more applications. It's really an expansion because you can set it to leave the defaults in place that Diamond Tweaks puts in. The only problem appears to be that it turns off at some points. Not sure what is causing the behavior.
Great App!!! is there any way you could make this scroll through touchflo? Like left 2 right? Always wanted this....lol sorry . Anyways thank you!
AT&T FUZE Touch Pro unstable
Awesome idea! Installed it on my 1 day old AT&T FUZE and crashed a few times and rebooted the phone once. Hopefully will be fixed soon. HAve the feeling AT&T touch flow 3D is causing the issue.
Nice app any way to get this to work with S2U2?
Thank you for sharing, I will give it a try
cheers
Works fine on my Touch Pro. Tnx mate for this!
the program chashes at my touch pro after a few minutes and doens´t scoll anymore so i have to exit and restart it again.
why runing additional app when this should be integrated just need to tell registry
check this - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406206
i don't have stability problems, but the app doesn't survive the first suspend
sheitan said:
why runing additional app when this should be integrated just need to tell registry
check this - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406206
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it's still better to import dozens of reg files after each hard reset + it works with ALL toolbar-scroll windows ^^
hello, is it possible for you to make a version wich moves LEFT <> RIGHT instead of UP <> DOWN ?
I mean to scroll tabs on manilla, to change word when typing a sms cause may big fiingers are to dummy to easily use the left right keys
PS : excuse my english, i'm french
Perfect..
It works fine on my device
Thank a lot man
Thank you for your replies! I'll check the application with GScroll. I've never used it so far. I hope it will be possible to fix the problem.
I coudnt stand the scrolling in Adobe Reader on WM devices. Normally it is by fits and starts. It is not smooth. I know that you can scroll unruffled by tapping on a place in the document for a longer time before moving in a direction, but this is not a fast comfortable solution (for me).
I found a trick to avoid this! See the YouTube video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXBsk6OQHq8
In one sentence: You have to switch ON your SIP while scrolling! Try it out yourself! Scroll witout SIP on , and then scroll with! A BIG difference, huh?
The problem is a SIP needs place.. and you dont want to have a keyboard on the screen all the time. You want to read, thats why you opened Adobe Reader, right?
The problem can be solved by using the nueNullKB. It is a SIP but without an interface. Pretty useful not only for our purposes
Another problem is that the smooth scrolling dissapears when entering full screen mode in Adobe Reader... But his can be solved to by activating the SIP AFTER the full screen mode was entered.
To make your device to switch automatically you need:
Get the program SIPSwitch for your WM device. Get it here http://www.vijay555.com/vj/sipswitch/sipswitch.exe or directly here. This program can switch SIPs... like the name says...
Of cource you need MortScript with this script, works fine on my Touch HD, but should also work with all other WVGA/VGA devices:
Code:
WaitForActive("Adobe Reader LE",10)
sleep(5000)
MouseClick( 19,408 )
sleep(1500)
MouseClick(780,405)
sleep(1000)
MouseClick(160,454)
sleep(700)
MouseClick(160,356)
sleep(500)
MouseClick(279,404)
sleep(900)
MouseClick(160,454)
sleep(500)
MouseClick(160,356)
sleep(500)
MouseClick(279,470)
sleep(500)
Run("\Windows\sipswitch.exe","nueNullKB")
Now! we need a program wich can detect if Adobe Reader is launched and run our MortScript above. I use the program SKSchema. It is not freeware but is worth every penny.
In SKSchema we define a new "monitoring (?)" profile.
We check for "Process" with the Processname "AdobeReaderLE.exe". (see screenshots for correct configuration, my explanation is ****)
When the process is closed we run a script, so type in the "when closed (?)" field :SKSCHM, with parameter (one field below) #r(#rotate) #p(4) #onlyrun. Say YES in the field "check only first and last event (?)". Scroll down and type in in the field "Run when Window becomes active (?)" the path to the MortScript. Hard to explain having a german version... see screenshots .
Now your device should rotate when you open a PDF and go to full screen. Afterwards you should be able to scroll smoothly through the document. After double tapping on the document the smooth scrolling dissapears, but no problem! Just open the SEARCH window in Adobe Reader and exit it. The Adobe Reader window becomes active again, your device will go to full screen view and you can scroll smoothly!
I post it here, so some ambitious and talented hacker sees that it is possible to scroll smoothly and modifies the AdobeReaderLE EXE to scroll smoothly forever without this ugly hack...
If you have some ideas please let me know !