The new Dell Axim X51v has 256MB RAM on WM5.0. Why the hell didn't the 'Worlds' Most Powerful fu..ing phone' get this? :evil:
HTC..you are are truly wicked!!! :evil:
You build the Dell Axim don't you? :? Microsoft..you test your software don't you? Stupid question.. you obviously don't, but are quick to charge for incomplete and unpolished software. In contrast you are quick to prosecute people who actually copy your buggy software.
HTC...how can you make new geneeration devices with under-powered bits? 64 MB RAM? C'mon!! Couldn't you have at least given us 128MB RAM so we don't all worry about memory management? Are you listening? Aaarrghh... who cares right :evil: ??!!??
I can't make up my mind if the Universal is an excellent technological achievement or an overpriced, overhyped piece of poorely stiched together meta-technologies. :roll:
So now, I have to learn to become a technology guru, not because I want to, just so I can use my bloody phone. :x
I give up.
No need to have a fit mate!
You've got your numbers mixed up. The Dell Axim has 256MB of ROM, and in fact has 64MB of RAM (same as the Universal).
Windows Mobile 5 introduced persistant storage which basically means everything is stored in ROM, rather than RAM as with WM2003. This means you now have the full amount of RAM available to you, and 64MB is loads!
There's also the issue that if you double the RAM size you double the memory power requirements which affects battery life.
Take a look at this article which explains it all a lot better than I can, and you'll see it's actually a really good idea to have 64MB:
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2005/07/14/438991.aspx
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Thank you for your informative reply & I found the provided link very useful too. Well, they should have still given us at least what the Dell has got. Except for the keyboard and phone, we've not got much more and we pay more than double! Anyway, thanks again.
I'll discuss these issues with my shrink at our next meeting, I just can't control myself.
What is in the Dell vs. other PDA's that HTC makes is not really something that is comparable. Dell pays HTC for making the Axims. I imagine that if Dell is willing to spend the money on higher specs, they can do that. HTC doesn't decide what's in the Dell Axim, Dell does (for the most part). HTC then engineers and builds the devices.
On the other hand, HTC makes the JasJar for i-mate. i-mate decides the specs they want (with some input from the phoner companies I'm sure) and they pay HTC to make their PDA's. So, just because HTC makes the PDA's doesn't mean they are all going to be same spec-minded or the same cost. It's up to the "brand" (HP, Dell, i-mate etc) what HTC makes for them.
As far as deciding whether the Universal is an excellent technological achievement or an overpriced, overhyped piece of poorly stiched together meta-technologies, it's a little bit of both. It is an excellent technological achievement AND it is overpriced
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Couldn't you have at least given us 128MB RAM
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The motherboard and software was designed
for 128MB RAM, but they put only 64MB into
Universal. Saves THEM money and reduces
power consumption.
DaleReeck said:
As far as deciding whether the Universal is an excellent technological achievement
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Compared to Himalaya and Blueangel, it is a
step back in engineering.
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DaleReeck said:
As far as deciding whether the Universal is an excellent technological achievement
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Compared to Himalaya and Blueangel, it is a
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It's a big shame!!!
They promised us heaven, and I find myself in hell!!
This device is a dream, but without minimum 128MB, better 256 MB of RAM, becomes hell, and useless!!!!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :evil: :evil:
256Mb of Ram?
I have a (old) pentium 4 laptop that works well enough with 256Mb of Ram. Doesn't that seem a bit excessive for a PPC, especially as your battery would only last for about 93 seconds?!
As i said, 128mb, or 256 MB, do you have a JasJar? Do you know how it feels, to spend 1.094 euro plus 174 for and SD card ultra speed 2 GB, an not being able to use it at all, with the very simple applications? My Treo 650 runs much better!!!
And then, I shouldn't cry for at least 128 MB??? :twisted:
@trendstyle,
Sell the device.
Anyways, what is it that the 64MB RAM of the JJ does not permit you to do? Why on earth would you need 128MB of RAM? I multi-task extensively with the device and yet face no memory errors. Are you trying to run Photoshop or something like that on your device?
As another forum member has rightly pointed out, what on earth would you need 256Mb RAM for??? It wouldn't even last those 93 seconds!!!
Word of advice to other people who want to crib about the device. Before you start getting all nutty about spending this much and that much on a device, do a thorough research or wait for some reviews. You will save yourself and others the agony and disappointment.
My 0.002.
I entirely agree with Universaldoc.
While listening to the media player and running two processor and memory intensive applications Planmaker and TextMaker simultaneously I still have 10MB of RAM to spare. Why do I need more RAM. I am to use my JJ practically and not to see what amount of applications I need to open simultaneously to kill the JJ. More RAM is technically possible. But do I need it at the expense of battery life. A big "NO" for me at least.
Regards
Do you?
10 Mb are enough?
There are some games, that requires 15 MB of free RAM!!
And in a super top device, this should be acceptable???
Give a look here....
http://www.expansys.com/forumthread.asp?code=119353&thread=42
Then tell me if I am the only one....
I change a mobile phone every 4 months, buying always what is the top of the technology...
And believe me, at the moment, jasjar doesn't deliver what I-mate promised...
I look forward to a new rom, solving memory problems!
A new rom that came with 256mb memory with it, now there's something....
The universal is a good device and memory is fine on it you can have loads of apps running and it still runs faultlessly. This is not a lap top, if you ned one of those buy one nor is this a mobile it's a great device that tries to accomodate both, sure it could have more memory but then you'd be *****ing that " it's primarily a phone, why is the battery life so bad, it runs out half way through the day and i miss loads of important calls"
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As i said, 128mb, or 256 MB, do you have a JasJar? Do you know how it feels, to spend 1.094 euro plus 174 for and SD card ultra speed 2 GB, an not being able to use it at all, with the very simple applications? My Treo 650 runs much better!!!
And then, I shouldn't cry for at least 128 MB??? :twisted:
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Yes, I do thanks, and if you "can't use it at all, with the very simple applications" then I'd suggest there's something actually, properly, really, honestly, very wrong with yours?! (Especially if your Treo 650 runs much better)
I know people are now used to computing with 3Ghz AMD64's with 1Gig RAM, and 100's of Gigs of HD space, but let's be realistic here, for a device of it's size, it's fantastic.
Given 128Mb RAM, I'm sure some people would only move on to bemoaning the fact that it 'only' runs at 520Mhz, it 'only' has 128Mb Rom, it 'only' has 802.11b, it's 'only' got 1.3 megapixels, etc, etc, etc.
The JasJar is not perfect, and there's a thread in this forum where people are already posting their JasJar 2 wishlists, but in my personal opinion (and I'm sure many agree), it's currently the best PDA/Phone available, it has near flawless performance for my purposes, and I for one am more than happy with it.
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I know people are now used to computing with 3Ghz AMD64's with 1Gig RAM
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It's a shame to install <8GB RAM with AMD64.
And while you are there, the second CPU will
not hurt 8)
sub69 said:
trendystyle said:
As i said, 128mb, or 256 MB, do you have a JasJar? Do you know how it feels, to spend 1.094 euro plus 174 for and SD card ultra speed 2 GB, an not being able to use it at all, with the very simple applications? My Treo 650 runs much better!!!
And then, I shouldn't cry for at least 128 MB??? :twisted:
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Yes, I do thanks, and if you "can't use it at all, with the very simple applications" then I'd suggest there's something actually, properly, really, honestly, very wrong with yours?! (Especially if your Treo 650 runs much better)
I know people are now used to computing with 3Ghz AMD64's with 1Gig RAM, and 100's of Gigs of HD space, but let's be realistic here, for a device of it's size, it's fantastic.
Given 128Mb RAM, I'm sure some people would only move on to bemoaning the fact that it 'only' runs at 520Mhz, it 'only' has 128Mb Rom, it 'only' has 802.11b, it's 'only' got 1.3 megapixels, etc, etc, etc.
The JasJar is not perfect, and there's a thread in this forum where people are already posting their JasJar 2 wishlists, but in my personal opinion (and I'm sure many agree), it's currently the best PDA/Phone available, it has near flawless performance for my purposes, and I for one am more than happy with it.
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The treo rusns much better, because is able to run all the applications nd games on Palm OS, Jasjar, can't run games like arvale2, age of empire, ancient evil, are we talking about the latest in pocket pc phone, that can't do what my Asus 420mhz did 1 and a half year ago???
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sub69 said:
I know people are now used to computing with 3Ghz AMD64's with 1Gig RAM
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It's a shame to install <8GB RAM with AMD64.
And while you are there, the second CPU will
not hurt 8)
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very funny...
By the way, do you think I am having fun??
Maybe I am posting this, to make sure, that until something get fixed with a new ROM, nobody will do the same mistake I did, Jasjar has been sent out in beta release....
I know people are now used to computing with 3Ghz AMD64's with 1Gig RAM, and 100's of Gigs of HD space, but let's be realistic here, for a device of it's size, it's fantastic.
Concerning this, I have a Dell Inspiron, 9300( a laptop), 2.14GHz Centrino Sonoma(equivalent to a Pentium 4, 3,8 Ghz), with 2 GB of ram, and Nvidia 6800 go with 256MB of video memory,I like my tech stuff to be the top, and this is why I bought right away the Jasjar, as all the review I read on the web they were screaming it was great!
My Inspiron is great, Jasjar, not at the moment...
In my point of view I assume 64 RAM are enough but if we had a big DOC storage well lets say about 256 MB this could be something for us, but the facts and the sad parts, which it's the 128MB of DOC :evil: !!!
I was reading the Universal hardware specs, we could upgrade the DOC to a bigger size!!! But we need a hardware techy to solder it.
Just goto this link you will know better Click Here!
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In my point of view I assume 64 RAM are enough but if we had a big DOC storage well lets say about 256 MB this could be something for us, but the facts and the sad parts, which it's the 128MB of DOC :evil: !!!
I was reading the Universal hardware specs, we could upgrade the DOC to a bigger size!!! But we need a hardware techy to solder it.
Just goto this link you will know better Click Here!
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If it's possible, I will do it, let me know if you get more news about it!
Hi guys I hope im just confusing myself! While reading some reviews I came across the tool spb benchmark, and thought il give it a try.
I received my xda exec today iv not installed any other 3rd party software that could cause problems
my Blueangel M2000: I have formatted it and reinstalled windows 2003 (Original ROM from orange)
IV attached a screen shot of the results table
the results are confusing the hellouta me, acording to the site(from my understanding) the higher the result the better the device has preformed- can som one just put my fears to rest please
Can anyone else substantiate this????
If this is the case I'd certainly like to know how, why what rom versions were involved, whether or not hardware used in both devices can be verified as the same hardware...
Who benchmarked the 2 devices?????
Can Anyone shed any light on this????????
The comparison is extremely unfair. If you put 8GB of RAM inside your PC, made a RAMDrive, and installed Windows XP into that, it would be far faster than if XP was installed on a hard disk. But you would lose ALL your data if the power source got interrupted.
That analogy is the same when comparing WM5 devices to WM2003SE devices. WM2003SE is installed into RAM, WM5 is installed into flash (persistent storage). Flash storage is a lot slower than RAM, but it uses a LOT less battery power than RAM, and you lose nothing if the battery dies. This is clearly a far more sensible and superior way of doing things, but at the expense of some speed.
I know which I'd rather have - more battery life and built-in NAND flash storage every time.
'disk' i/o is going to be worse because of the persistant storage. Writing to flash is much slower than to RAM.
Can't understand why the cpu rated much worse though.
Could this be partly because the Exec does NOT have a dedicated ATI chipset for GFX, hence the CPU is always worrying about the display.
Obviously a completely similar machine with ATI graphics chip would be quicker, so i expect that makes a difference even when you think all the apps are closed.
This seems to be the case, just received my exec and in comparison to my xda IIi it does seem a lot more sluggish. Even web browsing using both gprs & 3g is slower.
Is this a common issue or rom specifc?
I just ran XRick, MAN ITS SLOW!!!
I could play smooth realtime on my Himalaya (XDAII) but now? Damn, I cant play it at all. its painfull.....
Going to try Pocket Hack Master to see if that fixes it.
Damn this thing is slow.
i have been planning to buy a hd2, but feel let down by the launch of t-mobile version which has 576 MB ram and 1 GB rom.
all these forums are crowded with possible tweaks for getting 576MB ram.
but i wonder why isnt 1GB rom making the news? its double of what HTC offers to us.
isnt 1GB rom imporant than say 576 MB ram.
sorrry if my question sounds silly, but would be glad if someone points to me the significance of how 128 MB addiional RAM outweighs the 512 MB additional ROM.
no problem...
U can install additional programs to ROM, but u can also install them to StorageCard. As long as the sizes of the new ROMs coming will not grow up, u will always have enough storage on Rom left to install some little apps and hotfixes that needs to be installed to rom.
But more RAM means u can left more things in memory to get quicker access to them and a more responsive (faster) device...(better multitasking) for example.
Compare a Windows XP PC running with 512MB of RAM to another one running 1GB...u will feel a huge difference.
Now compare the 2 machines both with 1GB of RAM but one running a 20GB HDD and the other one a 40GB HDD, and will not feel any difference. But, if u like, u can add another HDD to the machine with only 20GB HDD (same here like Storagecard for HD2)....
Hi Bimme,
thank you for your simple explanation.
Now i also understood what it´s all about RAM and ROM.
That was very usefull.
Greetings
Inuit
ya..thanks for the reply. my doubts cleared. but then this makes me ask one more question, why is it that 512 MB rom a limiting factor for win mob 7 as speculated. i mean i can get a decent capacity storage card.
i m really grateful 2 u for answeing my question, i think i will stick to and buy an hd2 this feb. but its jes these small small things that make me reconsider my option.
Or, to make it simpler, I know android can be installed to MicroSD, as a second OS. Does this mean that if our HD2 remains on 512MB ROM, and Win7 requires more, we can install it on MicroSD?
I suppose yes, but we would get in some term slower performances, on the boot, as well as starting applications, but in terms of running apps, it should stay as fast...
Correct me if I am wrong...
Another thing is that it was discovered by accident that the extra ram seems to be available on the euro devices. That caused the hype around that subject, nothing has been discovered about extra rom but that would indeed be great as well...
But yeah, as mentioned. There already was enough ram in the device so the extra ram doesn't give an enormous boost but always nice to have some unexpected extra stuff
I do not understand why the Toshiba Tg01 uses so much more memory than my HTC Diamond with Windows Mobile 6.5.3 and Sense 2.1? Why does the Toshiba use so much more?
I think Toshiba is not suitable for Sense like HTC devices, RAM is still our mostly problem. Maybe Win 6.5.3 is more stable for Sense.
been thinking the same thing since i got the phone... can think of about 3 possibilities...
1)bad optimization in toshiba additions
2)the ram in locked out and shows up as used to make us buy their newer models...
3)the phone has actually less ram and and its ram information is faked...
but thats just me...
Memory Usage does not add up
I used Memaid to check the running processes and they added up to only 41 MB. If the total is 205.1 and the processes running are only 41 MB where is the other Program memory allocated to?
mtwaldman said:
I used Memaid to check the running processes and they added up to only 41 MB. If the total is 205.1 and the processes running are only 41 MB where is the other Program memory allocated to?
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Filesystem mirrored from ROM to speed up the device. That's a common use on WM devices, but has some counter effects. With 100Mb free RAM, you have almost all you need, but with just 30Mb, things become a little more complicated. Toshiba setted up RAM in order to preload files and packages from the OS into the RAM. That's my thinks arround it. Maybe the true history is another one.
is the worst thing at tg01.
i bought a phone with 256MB ram not with 100MB. i expected a healthy 150Mb free not 60Mb.
I had no other bad experiences with it except bad quality with orange robot chick. The funny thing is that the Vodafone robot is (almost) crystal clear.
Anyone checked PagePool size ? It should be possible to free up more RAM
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Anyone checked PagePool size ? It should be possible to free up more RAM
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The size of Pagepool is 15Mb. Maybe we can set it to 6-8Mb, but would 7-9Mb be worth of it? :S
If we can find 2-3 methods to gain 7-9Mb, a 24Mb more free would be awsome. But just 7-9 won't make a true diference.
I've checked this myself but it looks odd to me when I see 15mb PP size... so it's not PP fault... When I'll have more time I will take a look into dumped rom maybe I'll find what takes so much memmory ...
Hi all,
I understand our TG01's constantly show a low amount of free Ram but can honestly say i have never experienced any slow downs or Programs shutting down on me. Since the last update with the Radio fix mine runs great it's fast responsive and i really have no issues since changing back to the Windows Classic lock even playing Music over Bluetooth in CorePlayer is perfect with no more annoying cut outs.
At one point i was going to replace my TG01 with a HD2 but since the last update and all the fixes it brought i just can't see this as being worthwhile. I even tried one of the new Roms with Sense 2.5 only to discover as much as i really like the Weather app in Sense i actually prefer SPB Mobile shell with the Espresso theme over Sense.
The TG01 may not be perfect after all what device is but for me now it gets pretty close, i still think the screen is if not the best one of the best out there. I also love the fact that even with a 4.1" screen it's only 9.9mm thin and not exactly heavy either it does all i want with ease my Music sounds great and my unconverted DivX files play and look stunning on it's screen as does Web browsing using Opera.
Having had the TG01 since launch i have been looking at an upgrade as have one due from VodaFone but honestly can't see anything that can replace my TG01 and offer anything more or better. Of course i wish we hadn't had any initial issues and the fixes would of come quicker but i still think the TG01 is a great device and one that hasn't really been surpassed yet.
Marc
Heya folks....i read from many sources on the web saying that internal memory on android device will give better performance versus the external one. Some say that even the best class 10 micro sd will perform not as good as built in memory especially when loading HD games.
So I'm planning to buy android phone which has large built in memory, in this case i pick sony xperia TX, but now sony has launched a new device which is xperia SP. It has the qualcomm S4 pro and adreno 320 which is better compared to TX's S4 plus and adreno 225. But the problem is it has a small ammount of built in memory (about 5gb user available). Which one should i take?
Xperia TX!
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Heya folks....i read from many sources on the web saying that internal memory on android device will give better performance versus the external one. Some say that even the best class 10 micro sd will perform not as good as built in memory especially when loading HD games.
So I'm planning to buy android phone which has large built in memory, in this case i pick sony xperia TX, but now sony has launched a new device which is xperia SP. It has the qualcomm S4 pro and adreno 320 which is better compared to TX's S4 plus and adreno 225. But the problem is it has a small ammount of built in memory (about 5gb user available). Which one should i take?
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In my view you should take the Xperia TX with the higher amount of builtin memory.
I'm shure that you won't need a high-end processor for your daily usage. It has also enough power for the most games available in google play.
And I can say that you don't hav a much fun if the internal memory is to low, especially if you're planning to play hd-games wich will probably need about one or two gig of memory
So in my view you really don't need the SXSp...
I hope this helpes you a bit,
icebeanpie
And sorry for my bad english - I'm from germany
You could also just get a HTC One or a Samsung GS4 wich hav both, big storage and a nice processor...
Bigger internal memory ruless...
I usually put huge data game on internal memory, it reduce lag n rendering time (trust me, I done compared it)... But I still have 32gb class 10sdcard to keep media like video,music n stored picture..
It suck to have generated 10 post just to tell how happy n thankfull iam for using a rom they make.
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