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I am probably being naive here but with SD card prices so low now ....I cant understand why mobile manufacturers wont provide their devices with a "useable" capacity of memory .....
Or is the RAM memory very differant to SD memory ???
Is their a possibility of maybe in the near future, HTC launching a device with say a full gigabyte of onboard RAM ???
Yep, RAM is more expensive than ROM. By the way, this needs space which you just haven't in the Magician. It would also be too expensive, since a 1 GB card costs around 100 €, which is far too expensive for a manufacturer of these devices. Besides that, the magician is quite cheap in my opinion.
Dandie,
i think if i-mate provides us with the range of devices all would be happy and decide what to buy. e.g.:
-basic configuration - 64mb ram
-advanced conf - 64mb ram +512mb built in sd
-extreme 64mb ram +2gb built in sd
or whatever else breakdown is feasible or optimal. the price would respectively warry e.g. +$50; +$200.
i also don't see a problem to fit SD chip to device - its much smaller without body
it is also related to all device manufacturers. Since few of manufacturers do it i see some reasons for it:
1. low probable but: sd patent owners do not want to go for built in option or ask too much for it (but i know that some of the phone manufacturers already started production of the devices with build in miniSD chip);
2. it is not profitable or worthwhile from the marketing point of view;
3. I heard a lot from, people that SD cards are not very much reliable, sometimes it looses data, sometimes brokes. Thus it used for temporary storage purposes and nobody wants to take a risk with loosing your data…
4. and last but not least: they all are stupid and we here the only Einsteins who invented such simple way to increase memory
Although I have a 1GB SD Card in my JAM, I wouldn't want it to be built in. I'd rather take it out and put it in my card reader (USB 2.0) especially for transferring that 170MB DIVX file!
And what about those situations where you just give your SD card to your friend to copy stuff over and then back in your JAM?
And what about those situations where you just plug in your digi cam's SD card and have a quick view at the pics taken?
KTA,
nobody says "we want to replace external SD with built-in one" we say that we want to have both options: (i) BIG internal storage and (ii) SD/MMC slot for card.
internal storage would be used to keep our garbage on and forget about memory limit problems. And external for exchanging data with others, to move high-capacity data in and out and whatever else you want to use it for...
I never seen a person complaining on big HDD
Let people have an option!!!
Just guessing - but wouldn't there be an increase in power consumption with an increase in volatile memory?
Maybe the reason there is no 1gb RAM option in the PDA world today is that the battery life would be like 1 hour.
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Just guessing - but wouldn't there be an increase in power consumption with an increase in volatile memory?
Maybe the reason there is no 1gb RAM option in the PDA world today is that the battery life would be like 1 hour.
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*BINGO* you got the answer right... :wink:
- $
- Battery life...
- OS Stability with bigger memory...
- Speed of OS with Bigger memory will reduce...
The rest is history...
xirc0m, Mark One,
DAMN WRONG !!!!
* Question of money is not discussed since people want to have extra memory and ready to pay reasonably. Again, I assume several options to fit every pocket. Don’t want extra memory – buy basic version.
*Do you have increased consumption with SD card inserted? Then why it should be with built in sd card?
* OS Stability with bigger memory… guys, if I have 100gb harddrive and you have 30gb does it mean that os stability is much lower in my case? I doubt
*Speed of OS with Bigger memory will reduce... SPEED would remain the same! But if you want to access built-in storage then you’ll get the speed of sd card
let me reiterate again. The whole idea is to have one big sd card built-in and have another slot for external card. There is still may be fast RAM as usual devices have
I suspect the main one is battery life; unlike SD card, which uses flash memory, which does not require power to maintain its content, the device's RAM needs constant power to maintain its content; that's why when your battery goes dead, your card content is still there, but not your main memory. You may then ask why not use flash for main memory? That's because Flash has a limited number of writes (although for most people it's virtually limitless now), and is slower.
Did you see pictures of the PCB? There is just no space left for more/bigger chips. The only thing you can do is replace the current chips with ones of the same size but more memory. These are expensive. Adding another slot inside the case wouldn't really help, since you still need space for the socket and there would be another sensitive part with not soldered contacts. I guess devices with up to 512 MB ROM built in exist already but they are bigger than the Magician. Don't forget: The magician was the smallest PPC available when it was released. It even had the phone built in. Trust me: There is no space left. The SD-RAM memory upgrade availble is done by exchanging the current chip and the price of 200 € tells you that 1 GB is just not realistic. Even though Flash-ROM is cheaper, it would increase the price to about double i think (don't forget, the end customer price always is a lot higher than the manufacturing costs - at least double the price I'd say) - not really interesting.
So - wait for fast 2 GB SD cards to be released (I'm still waiting for my Sandisk Ultra 2GB for almost 6 months now) and there you have your 2 GB ...
Why not to solder chip on the circuit board then? No contacts, no connectors, just chip. Sure, there is no space now. But don’t forget that when circuit board was designed all components were distributed proportionally to cover all board. If you add new stuff – you redesign it and tighten components. It only seems that no more room.
I also agree that built-in sd price would be different from external sd. Again, 1gb, 2gb, 8gb – this is just talks; we discuss the idea on having chip flash memory built-in.
Well, there is a flash ROM chip built in, as you know. It has 64 MB and is used for the Storage, the Ext_ROM and the OS. There is an upgrade available that makes it 128 MB ROM - 200 bucks! And also, I don't agree with you saying theres enough space left on the Magician. There is no space left at all! This device is one of the most compact electronic devices on the market. There is not enough space for one single additional chip. You have to wait for either the other or the memory chips to decrease in size and/or increase in features/capacity/speed (what they do). The next device probably will have more RAM, more ROM - but not 1GB. That's for certain.
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KTA,
I never seen a person complaining on big HDD
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Using your HDD example, I thought the issue here was not the size of the "HDD" but whether the HDD is internal or external.
Can you imagine HTC with 3 different production lines, each with a different "embedded-SD" size? I don't think so ...
RAM goes against the whole quick standby capability of the device. I can suspend my handset into a minimal amount power consumption mode and then resume it right back to where it was before without any loading delay.
With RAM, I would have to hibernate any volatile information to a persistent store which takes both time and space. Otherwise I need to keep power applied the RAM while in suspend mode which costs me in battery life. Neither of these options are very attractive.
Plus a RAM store is yet another memory store to juggle. The OS would have to be modified to use it and I already have enough stores between main menory and the expansion slot. I shouldn't need to juggle another one. Finally, PCB real estate and battery load is limited so I don't want to add another memory controller or memory that needs constant recharging as RAM does.
Maybe increasing the cache on the processor is the way to go.
Dudes !!
You misunderstand my question !!
Yes I think having a removable SD Card is ESSENTIAL !!
I dont want to replace the external SD card with just an internal one !!
With 2Gb and 4Gb cards on the horizon - I dont think I would require much more storage (for the time being anyway!)
What I mean is .... would there be a possibility in the future of RAM prices dropping and sizes reducing - so that we could have a JAM type device with about 1Gb of RAM instead of the crappy 64Mb ???
What I HATE is having to worry about taking up too much of the measly 64Mb RAM which would then slow down and make the JAM unstable ..... I want to be able to install most/all of my "apps" into Main/Storage and then use my SD card for just Music, Movies, Games etc ....
Hopefully the RAM would be non-volatile so would remain even after a hard reset so no more need for constant Backups and re-installing etc !
1Gb Main/Storage Memory + 4Gb SD Card Memory = Perfect Device !!
It just seems crazy to me that Removable storage is reaching for the sky ..... but most of the time I have to be careful what/where I install programs on my device in case it slows down or becomes unstable ....
64Mb Ram + 2,4,8,16,32Gb SD Card = So Crazy It Makes Me Sick !!!
PS - I hear that JAM version 2 will have 128Mb RAM and built-in WIFI .... so there is room in there after all !!!
1GB RAM would indeed be nice, but that would be too expensive. The SD cards aren't made the same way. They're cheaper but slower. Even the Storage is a lot slower (which I found out by doing simple tests).
PS - I hear that JAM version 2 will have 128Mb RAM and built-in WIFI .... so there is room in there after all !!!
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I bet that they will make it even smaller, because most of the parts in any device will get smaller over the time. When they developed the Magician there wasn't any room for anything more though.
Interesting article on the future of Flash Memory .....
http://www.tomshardware.com/business/20041112/index.html
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Well, there is a flash ROM chip built in, as you know. It has 64 MB and is used for the Storage, the Ext_ROM and the OS. There is an upgrade available that makes it 128 MB ROM - 200 bucks! And also, I don't agree with you saying theres enough space left on the Magician. There is no space left at all! This device is one of the most compact electronic devices on the market. There is not enough space for one single additional chip. You have to wait for either the other or the memory chips to decrease in size and/or increase in features/capacity/speed (what they do). The next device probably will have more RAM, more ROM - but not 1GB. That's for certain.
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I'd gladly trade the cheapo toy-grade camera they shoehorned into this thing for a more appropriate amount of memory - anytime. That's for sure!
grrrrrr..
i think, another reason for not putting a 1gb a internal memory is because the phone still cant stand to have that large appilcation running.. it will surely always lockup if a total of 1gb load of applications you put in there. not to say + the another 1gb in external.
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xirc0m, Mark One,
DAMN WRONG !!!!
* Question of money is not discussed since people want to have extra memory and ready to pay reasonably. Again, I assume several options to fit every pocket. Don’t want extra memory – buy basic version.
*Do you have increased consumption with SD card inserted? Then why it should be with built in sd card?
* OS Stability with bigger memory… guys, if I have 100gb harddrive and you have 30gb does it mean that os stability is much lower in my case? I doubt
*Speed of OS with Bigger memory will reduce... SPEED would remain the same! But if you want to access built-in storage then you’ll get the speed of sd card
let me reiterate again. The whole idea is to have one big sd card built-in and have another slot for external card. There is still may be fast RAM as usual devices have
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yo...avyshnya,
Guess you have never work in a Mobile Phone / a PDA device company before...or have you done any R&D on this...
As I mention above still valids...
-$ , its all about Marketing issue...you are not looking at their point of view.... anything is possible the throw in the big chunk of memory...Technology is there...but they will not excute that so fast...
- Consume more Batt...yes it does with more memory...to your naked eye...you do not see it... if you seriously benchmark it you will realise it does...whether its external or internal memory
- Stablity on OS... still does... you are talkin about your PC...this is no PC...its PocketPC... sorry you are not benchmarking in correct terms...
- Speed... go n do a benchmark...you will see it yourself...
http://www.lightinthebox.com/Starli...ouchscreen--Dual-SIM--GPS--WiFi-_p190817.html
http://www.lightinthebox.com/pegasu...nch-touchscreen-tv-wifi-dual-sim_p207282.html
http://www.lightinthebox.com/starst...touchscreen-gps-tv-wifi-dual-sim_p207281.html
Too bad, becoz just like the originals, they lack a decent front camera/usb host/hdmi out
I think pegasus is different, it has four capacitive buttons.
lol @ star light .. it says Android Phone on the back
Haha :
Let’s check out the Starstorms top features and functions:
CPU Media Tek MTK6516 with 460MHz+280MHz: The CPU on the Starstorm ensures that you get more processor speed, the design is based on 2 CPU’s working together as one to help increase the performance, i.e. speed.
Onboard Memory: The Starstrom comes with 512MB ROM ad 256MB RAM. You can also expand the storage capacity with the use of a TF / MicroSD Memory Card. The Starstorm supports a maximum of 32GB TF / MicroSD Memory Card.
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Man, for 200 bucks I can get an (almost) new HD2
What a chinese rip off -.-
Hi
I´m kind of new here but still haven´t found an answer why my Nexus only shows 1097 RAM instad of 2000? Even tried different hardware checker and they all tell me the same. Have I made I bad flash?
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Hi
I´m kind of new here but still haven´t found an answer why my Nexus only shows 1097 RAM instad of 2000? Even tried different hardware checker and they all tell me the same. Have I made I bad flash?
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The 2GB ram on the device must accommodate both the operating system and graphics Ram before any apps are loaded. So what you see is normal. This is no different for laptops. Also the 16 or 32 GB internal storage shows less after formatting and Android OS plus Google apps (Gapps) are installed. At least with the Nexus 10 you have much less bloatware compared to other Tablets (eg. Samsung).
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3DSammy said:
The 2GB ram on the device must accommodate both the operating system and graphics Ram before any apps are loaded. So what you see is normal. This is no different for laptops. Also the 16 or 32 GB internal storage shows less after formatting and Android OS plus Google apps (Gapps) are installed. At least with the Nexus 10 you have much less bloatware compared to other Tablets (eg. Samsung).
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Thanks for you answer 3Dsammy.
I understand that you use RAM when things are installed, But I still dont get it. When I was on stock it showed in settings 2 gb RAM. And now Hardware info (app) System RAM 1097?. Same with Clean sweeper.
Davidkallen said:
I understand that you use RAM when things are installed, But I still dont get it. When I was on stock it showed in settings 2 gb RAM. And now Hardware info (app) System RAM 1097?. Same with Clean sweeper.
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Nexus 10 has never shown 2gb available, I've had it since launch and I believe the most I've ever seen was back on 4.2 was about 1400MB or so, and it has gone down from there on each update. You never get what they advertise on the box, every single one of my devices has less than whats advertised, my Note 3 is supposed to have 3gb available, but really its only 2.38 after its said and done..
1098 is normal on 4.4.2 for N10, I've attached a shot from mine ... I can only assume most of it is being reserved for the GPU and its super high resolution.
** These threads might have more information you are looking for.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2377356
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2463178
Hi,
As already stated here, just clearing a little the information for you .
The Nexus 10 has a huge screen resolution, therefore it requires a more powerful GPU, even having a pretty powerful graphic processors which is the MALI, it's not powerful enough for the 1600p screen, so they allocated ≈1GB to the graphic unit to prevent any possible issues.
Also, there are some apps running in background, so it takes some RAM too.
Hope this clarifies a little ,
~Lord
"All I Ever Needed Was A Little Piece of Hope" - World of Fantasy (Helloween)
Sent from my monstrous Xperia Z1
Thank for your help:good:
I did notice that with slim kat 4.2.2 I have 1647 ram available and with 4.4.2 slim kat I had 1099.
so I thought that Kit Kat uses less RAM but I don't really see it with those comparisons.
Joe
I've been a xperia SP owner for 8 months now and it is completly stock and it is my daily driver, and as my secondary i have the TX which ive had for 2 months, but im going to be buying either a brand new SP or brand new TX (mainly because of cosmetic damage but anyway) i want you guys to help me decide,, whether its opinion or personal experience, any help is appreciated, thanks guys :highfive:
I think that our SP just #$#!>'s it off
SP GPU : Adreno 320
TX GPU : Adreno 225
TX Dual-core 1.5 GHz Krait
SP Dual-core 1.7GHz [ 2 GHz with Helium Kernel]
TX Front 1(.3) and Back (13) camera are better than SP (front vga back 8).
DONT forget the led bar on SP
i think that, our SP Development forum on XDA waay better than the TX's.
Your choice...
Iekuta said:
I think that our SP just #$#!>'s it off
SP GPU : Adreno 320
TX GPU : Adreno 225
TX Dual-core 1.5 GHz Krait
SP Dual-core 1.7GHz [ 2 GHz with Helium Kernel]
TX Front 1(.3) and Back (13) camera are better than SP (front vga back 8).
DONT forget the led bar on SP
i think that, our SP Development forum on XDA waay better than the TX's.
Your choice...
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Thankyou for your reply :good: i didnt take into account the SP development compared to the TX, the only thing that concerns me is the SP's ram managment, can it be improved? I personally didnt notice it too much?
GFlexForever said:
Thankyou for your reply :good: i didnt take into account the SP development compared to the TX, the only thing that concerns me is the SP's ram managment, can it be improved? I personally didnt notice it too much?
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So, i think you can get over the ram problem by SWAP. I really think that the ram problem is soooo confusing. I faced that with 4.3 stock rom < like 20mb free ram with only walkman running lol >
Now im using CM13 with Helium kernel.
I created a swap partition about 900mb(maybe it's way too high but my sd is 32 gb so not a problem )
you can create 400-500 mb swap partition and use it. Im using Swapper2 app and set the swappiness 100, phone runs really smooth.
And i reached maximum 400-410 mb used swap memory, so i think that +512 mb is enough.
Thank you
Iekuta said:
So, i think you can get over the ram problem by SWAP. I really think that the ram problem is soooo confusing. I faced that with 4.3 stock rom < like 20mb free ram with only walkman running lol >
Now im using CM13 with Helium kernel.
I created a swap partition about 900mb(maybe it's way too high but my sd is 32 gb so not a problem )
you can create 400-500 mb swap partition and use it. Im using Swapper2 app and set the swappiness 100, phone runs really smooth.
And i reached maximum 400-410 mb used swap memory, so i think that +512 mb is enough.
Thank you
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Wow thats awesome :highfive: so how do you find mulitasking like listening to music while browsing for example?
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Wow thats awesome :highfive: so how do you find mulitasking like listening to music while browsing for example?
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Im just laughing at your example i forget those things like music shut downs on browsing lol lol lol
I just say that, maybe running 6+ apps at the same time (Whatsapp+Facebook+UC Browser/Opera+Music+Xda Labs(using it right now)) and may even much more apps at the same time with no problem.
I clear the "Recents" panel rarely and reboot my phone after 2-3+ days of use
I think you should give a chance and upgrade to Cm13 and use Swap. Just try it.
EDIT: Check the screens, i captured them just now As you see, the Total Swap is 1103mb and the free is 803 Mb, phone using like 300mb swap and runs just smooth
I think that the CM13 has gave this phone life :victory:
Never buy xperia sp
Very laggy phone no matter what you do. Even with 6gb ram this phone would still be laggy, why?
Because of slow internal memory.
Slower phones like xperia tx, galaxy s4mini are much faster with less lag.
Xperia sp freezes a lot and stops reaponding because of bad performance internal storage
Edit: all sony phones have bad ram management.
My xperia z1 has like 370-500 at best free ram
Iekuta said:
Im just laughing at your example i forget those things like music shut downs on browsing lol lol lol
I just say that, maybe running 6+ apps at the same time (Whatsapp+Facebook+UC Browser/Opera+Music+Xda Labs(using it right now)) and may even much more apps at the same time with no problem.
I clear the "Recents" panel rarely and reboot my phone after 2-3+ days of use
I think you should give a chance and upgrade to Cm13 and use Swap. Just try it.
EDIT: Check the screens, i captured them just now As you see, the Total Swap is 1103mb and the free is 803 Mb, phone using like 300mb swap and runs just smooth
I think that the CM13 has gave this phone life :victory:
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Hahaha,, something so simple yet force crashes :laugh:
And thats incredible i was hoping multitasking would be alot better and ive been looking at stryflex's marshmallow rom, have you had any experience with that or should i just go for CM13 if i get the SP?
And i'm really glad to here it runs so smooth :highfive:
Gamer4Life said:
Never buy xperia sp
Very laggy phone no matter what you do. Even with 6gb ram this phone would still be laggy, why?
Because of slow internal memory.
Slower phones like xperia tx, galaxy s4mini are much faster with less lag.
Xperia sp freezes a lot and stops reaponding because of bad performance internal storage
Edit: all sony phones have bad ram management.
My xperia z1 has like 370-500 at best free ram
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Is this from experience or are you just a SP hater?
And i am also considering the TX (mainly for the removable battery and seemingly better ram management) but from the above post ram management can be improved with abit of tweaking and running a custom rom, i actually owned a z1 for several months and never noticed that kind of ram management, sounds like a app or download was hogging your ram :silly:
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Hahaha,, something so simple yet force crashes :laugh:
And thats incredible i was hoping multitasking would be alot better and ive been looking at stryflex's marshmallow rom, have you had any experience with that or should i just go for CM13 if i get the SP?
And i'm really glad to here it runs so smooth :highfive:
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I cannot install the Stryflex' s Marshmallow ROM, it gives SystemUI error at boot (but 2-3 people has faced this problem with me, rom is errorless i think thats a problem of my phone
I will wait the Stryflex rom update because of my error and, im waiting for the Xperia X lockscreen and new stuff you understand
Stryflex based on May builds of AOSP, but CM13 nightly updated, your choice
I think Stryflex's roms are good and smooth enough to experience xperia Z5 or X, but i will absolutely wait for the update:silly:
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Is this from experience or are you just a SP hater?
And i am also considering the TX (mainly for the removable battery and seemingly better ram management) but from the above post ram management can be improved with abit of tweaking and running a custom rom, i actually owned a z1 for several months and never noticed that kind of ram management, sounds like a app or download was hogging your ram :silly:
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User xperienece
I owned sp for 8 months from 2014 to 2015
I tried all available roms. Some are fast at the beginning like cm11 but the will all slow down eventually.
My z1 never slows down even with 200mb free ram and all the crapware and bloat installed.
Its not about ram my friend, its about memory performance, its most important. Do you wonder why sp was cheap phone with fast cpu and gpu?
They had to compromise(i hope this is the right word, i am not english speaker) on other parts and used cheaper hardware
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Do storage benchmark and see how low your score if u have sp in hands
Even gs2 performs faster and never slowed down like sp
Gamer4Life said:
Never buy xperia sp
Very laggy phone no matter what you do. Even with 6gb ram this phone would still be laggy, why?
Because of slow internal memory.
Slower phones like xperia tx, galaxy s4mini are much faster with less lag.
Xperia sp freezes a lot and stops reaponding because of bad performance internal storage
Edit: all sony phones have bad ram management.
My xperia z1 has like 370-500 at best free ram
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I think that our SP never get slower on this rom updates. I think it gives the same performance all the time.
Example CM13,CM13 is way faster than 12.1 and i think our SP enough fast on 6.0.1 you understand?
If you want really fast and 6.0.1 running phone you should go buy new phone i think. Because it's been like 4 years bro, give this phone a chance
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User xperienece
I owned sp for 8 months from 2014 to 2015
I tried all available roms. Some are fast at the beginning like cm11 but the will all slow down eventually.
My z1 never slows down even with 200mb free ram and all the crapware and bloat installed.
Its not about ram my friend, its about memory performance, its most important. Do you wonder why sp was cheap phone with fast cpu and gpu?
They had to compromise(i hope this is the right word, i am not english speaker) on other parts and used cheaper hardware
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Do storage benchmark and see how low your score if u have sp in hands
Even gs2 performs faster and never slowed down like sp
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i get your point but try to understand it's an 2013 phone running 6.0.1 smoothly enough to daily use and gaming. And im saying again that the CM13 is way better than other roms like CM12.1 and Stock 4.3.
AND you mean GS2 right lol
it gives maximum 20000 antutu score.
SP Gives 40000 score maybe even better
just check the attachments please.
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User xperienece
I owned sp for 8 months from 2014 to 2015
I tried all available roms. Some are fast at the beginning like cm11 but the will all slow down eventually.
My z1 never slows down even with 200mb free ram and all the crapware and bloat installed.
Its not about ram my friend, its about memory performance, its most important. Do you wonder why sp was cheap phone with fast cpu and gpu?
They had to compromise(i hope this is the right word, i am not english speaker) on other parts and used cheaper hardware
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Do storage benchmark and see how low your score if u have sp in hands
Even gs2 performs faster and never slowed down like sp
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Go and check the hardware internals my friend i think you'll find it had some of the best hardware from 2013 the only thing i can fault the hardware on is the front facing camera and yes im aware that memory performance is a factor thats why developers utilise it the best they can when making roms :good:
@GFlexForever
If you still need advice, I'd say: get the SP. It's one of the few (if not the only) 2013 midrangers that still kicks asses today. Especially the GPU: modern midrangers lag in games (while the SP is perfect) due to Adreno 30x GPUs and (Full)HD displays.
The downside of the SP is the internal memory, that isn't very fast; this is noticeable when you install and app from the Play Store: the phone lags during the installation. 1 GB of RAM is not a downside, for if in 2016 you buy any device with less than 1.5 GB of RAM you surely aren't an "aggressive" user. What's more, with ZRAM and/or swap you can circumvent this problem.
Trimming the /data and /cache partitions once in a while is also a good habit to keep the memory clean and fast, this is not needed on stock ROMs as those trim the memory all the time.
Iekuta said:
i get your point but try to understand it's an 2013 phone running 6.0.1 smoothly enough to daily use and gaming. And im saying again that the CM13 is way better than other roms like CM12.1 and Stock 4.3.
AND you mean GS2 right lol
it gives maximum 20000 antutu score.
SP Gives 40000 score maybe even better
just check the attachments please.
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And just to add to this, although the device is from 2013 and hardware has been improved it doesnt mean that this hardware has anything wrong with it, it was the best of its time.
For example phone screens have went from 720p to 1080p to qhd and they improve but that doesnt mean the 720p screen is at fault.
Another example is that the adreno chip in phones improve drastically and they improve, doesnt mean theres a fault with the older ones
Tomoms said:
@GFlexForever
If you still need advice, I'd say: get the SP. It's one of the few (if not the only) 2013 midrangers that still kicks asses today. Especially the GPU: modern midrangers lag in games (while the SP is perfect) due to Adreno 30x GPUs and (Full)HD displays.
The downside of the SP is the internal memory, that isn't very fast; this is noticeable when you install and app from the Play Store: the phone lags during the installation. 1 GB of RAM is not a downside, for if in 2016 you buy any device with less than 1.5 GB of RAM you surely aren't an "aggressive" user. What's more, with ZRAM and/or swap you can circumvent this problem.
Trimming the /data and /cache partitions once in a while is also a good habit to keep the memory clean and fast, this is not needed on stock ROMs as those trim the memory all the time.
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Thankyou for the advice i think i am going to go with the SP and just try different roms and as you said use ZRAM or another app and see what the best fit for me and i also have a Z2 which is my main device but i want to keep that more as a business phone if that makes sense, when i get my SP it will be more for out door use like when i go out listening to music or browsing and playing games :highfive:
Big thankyou to Lekuta & tomoms for helping me decide and proving some helpful information :highfive: :good: thanks guys
Tomoms said:
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If you still need advice, I'd say: get the SP. It's one of the few (if not the only) 2013 midrangers that still kicks asses today. Especially the GPU: modern midrangers lag in games (while the SP is perfect) due to Adreno 30x GPUs and (Full)HD displays.
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Best answer,
%100 agree with you !
You will regret it
Benchmarks And numbers mean nothing.
Its true has solid hardware cpu gpu combination. But real life performance is what matters.
Its true sp can run games smoothly but. Using it how its supposed to be used is pain. Lag stutter freeze...
I was thinking just like you when i first bought it
Anyway its your call, but remember my words
Idk about cm13. when i had it, cm12 was not usable...
And beleive me, i tried every solution mentioned here, from almost bloat free roms with just must have phone apps like calendar alarm... and just playstore. To zram swap custum kernels... Overclock
Its very fast as soon as u install your rom with 500+ free ram... But its the case even with a galaxy y.
The phone would slow down eventualy and only uninstalling all your apps would make it fast again
Heck i remember every time i turned on wifi or data the phone would freeze for like 40 seconds. Why? It couldnt handle the incoming notifications lmao.
Mean while slower sd400 devices performs 10 times faster
I currently am using a LeEco S3 with 3GB of RAM. I have decided to move on to a Moto G5 Plus since Best Buy has the pre-order deal with the $5 case. It ultimately comes down to how much I am spending. The 2GB version is $229. The 4GB version is $299. I don't want to cheap out yet at the same time I don't want to throw an extra hundred down and not notice a real difference multitasking wise. Would you say that the 2GB is good enough or am I better off spending the extra for the 4GB version? It sucks every review I've seen and read is specifically on the 4GB version.
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I currently am using a LeEco S3 with 3GB of RAM. I have decided to move on to a Moto G5 Plus since Best Buy has the pre-order deal with the $5 case. It ultimately comes down to how much I am spending. The 2GB version is $229. The 4GB version is $299. I don't want to cheap out yet at the same time I don't want to throw an extra hundred down and not notice a real difference multitasking wise. Would you say that the 2GB is good enough or am I better off spending the extra for the 4GB version? It sucks every review I've seen and read is specifically on the 4GB version.
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2 GB is okay but your system would be using like 1.9 GB on an average.With upgrades to O more ram is likely going to be required.So it's better to go with 4 GB variant than have a lagging phone after updates.
I am a g4+ user with 3 GB RAM.
Lol I just did the same thing! Returned the S3 for the g5 plus 64gb. The S3 has weird lag even though it's processor is "better" so glad I switch cause this thing flies! Depends on your app usage but the 4gb model is necessary for heavy users and gamers! Casual use then go for the 2gb.
That's funny. I was wondering this but I already ordered the 2 GB one lol. That's me second-guessing myself. Currently using a Nexus 6 with a busted antenna(?).
Hi,
This is my oppion: 2GB of RAM is a joke from Motorola/Lenovo. Forget completly any Android 7 phone with less than 3GB of RAM!
I suffer a 2GB Moto G4 (not plus) for a year with only 2GB or RAM... just a constant lag.
2gb is too slow
I have brazilian version of Moto G5 Plus and for me until now is excellent 2 Gb of RAM
I have the 2GB version and for me it is more than enough. At most I have 3 or 4 apps going and I don't game on my phone. The most I'll tax it is using navigation with a podcast going or making a phone call. But if you're a heavier user then yeah the 4GB would be a better bet.
2 gb is plenty. It works great!
If you look around there are A LOT if articles out there explaining why anything over 2gb is pretty much useless.
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Developers surely are not targeting over 2GB yet as the vast majority of phones in use are 2GB or less. Maybe if you wanna switch between apps much, have a lot of web tabs open, etc, you will see benefit from more than 2GB? I bought 4GB RAM version because I want to be able to keep the phone for about 3 years, and I already had as my previous phone the OnePlus One, which needed to be replaced as I had used it for 3 years and the edges were starting to crack, battery is old, etc. I didn't want to DOWNGRADE to LESS RAM (not so logical reason, just I didn't feel like my new phone after three years should have less RAM than my old one).
I think I'd be happy with 2GB RAM phone. I kind of wish it had NFC because I think I'd like to be able to use Android Pay (though I never did actually use it when I had OnePlus One for 3 years?!!). I remember forgetting my wallet one time I went out and thinking how nice if I could pay with my phone, which I wouldn't forget.
To go big at the onset will cost you $70. Unless you wait until the phone's price gets under $70 it'll be an expensive upgrade later.
My phone, with four gigs, frequently runs with 1.8 to 2 gigs in use.
Plus the extra onboard storage that comes with the 4gig model is kinda sweet.
I'm not a big spender but the jump to the 300 model was easy for me to justify without me feeling like I was lying to myself as to why I wanted more.
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I currently am using a LeEco S3 with 3GB of RAM. I have decided to move on to a Moto G5 Plus since Best Buy has the pre-order deal with the $5 case. It ultimately comes down to how much I am spending. The 2GB version is $229. The 4GB version is $299. I don't want to cheap out yet at the same time I don't want to throw an extra hundred down and not notice a real difference multitasking wise. Would you say that the 2GB is good enough or am I better off spending the extra for the 4GB version? It sucks every review I've seen and read is specifically on the 4GB version.
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Go with the 4gb varient, you won't regret. [emoji4]
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Remember those e-machines that have the sticker saying "This machine is never obselete?" Yeah, you know how that turned out. You don't want your phone to be an e-machine saying that. I exchanged my 2GB model for a 4GB model simply because I am a heavy user, I had a lot of reloading apps in multitasking; no regrets there on upgrading. It depends, though: unless you're a heavy user like me (games, mulit window, chrome, youtube, ect memory hungry apps) you won't see a major difference. Still, more is better, and choosing the 4GB of memory over the 2GB would be future proofing for updates, such as the upcoming Android O and Android 7.1 (that is if Lenovo doesn't drop us like it dropped the 2015 Moto G). In general, with more RAM, more apps can stay open, and games, if you play them, will run just a bit better if they are memory heavy. You won't notice anything if an app opens right where you left it, but you will notice if it reloads on you. Nevertheless, even standard issued apps like Chrome and YouTube use a lot of memory. I'd say shoot for the 4GB RAM and 64GB Storage. It's better for the long run, and really you'll want it soon enough.
tl;dr it depends, but futureproofing is a good idea.
Defiantly go for the 4gb variant.
Depends on your usage. I tend to use 2-3 apps at a time and close them regularly. Besides, I don't use the phone for gaming.
If you plan on keeping tons of apps in memory and expect them to be there after 2 hours, yeah, 4GB is the way to go.
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Depends on your usage. I tend to use 2-3 apps at a time and close them regularly. Besides, I don't use the phone for gaming.
If you plan on keeping tons of apps in memory and expect them to be there after 2 hours, yeah, 4GB is the way to go.
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2GB of RAM is just dandy for any smartphone application. Even games.
There are a few reasons you find more memory on phones; some good, some not-so-much.
RAM is Cheap. Really cheap these days. In the days of 32-bit CPUs, there was no practical value to offering more than 3GB RAM, like my Samsung Note Pro 12.2 tablet here. But with 64-bit processors, 4GB is a few bucks more than 2GB. Naturally, manufacturers don’t want you to know this. After all, even if it’s $2.00 a phone, if you’re Apple, that’s $200 million extra profit in a year.
Marketing Wars. Consumers are a simple people.. they don’t really know how stuff works. So basic numbers sell. A 4GB phone just sounds like twice as much as a 2GB phone. A 20Mpixel camera sounds so much better than a 12Mpixel camera — even though the top phone cameras right now are 12Mpixel cameras (the iPhone 7 is also a 12Mpixel camera, but not on the top, its sensor is too small).
Multitasking. The rule of thumb for Windows, at least, used to be 2GB per CPU core. Which means my PC here ought to have at least 12GB. I have 64GB… no problem. But if you extend this to Smartphones, pretty much no one has 2GB per core (and yeah, there are 8 core Smartphone chips, but most of those are big.LITTLE designs, they only normally use four cores at once). Neither Android nor iOS are as memory-hungry as Windows, and we’re not running a full Photoshop or Altium (my EE CAD software) or AutoPano Giga (the reason I have 64GB on my desktop). A typical Android application can ask for up to 48MB of RAM, no more. But there’s a special way to ask for hundreds of MB of RAM (considered impolite), and native apps can make Linux calls and get all they want. And you can actually have them all runinng at the same time. So if you’re a power user, you may want more than 2GB. But it’s not one app, it’s having a faster system with everything running.
High Density Screens. When I had a smartphone with 256MB RAM, I also had a 640x480 screen. My LG V10 today has 4GB RAM, but it’s also got a 2560x1600 screen. So does a 13x increase in screen resolution need a 16x increase in memory? Not exactly. On Android, your apps have to deal with all kinds of different phones, and most apps don’t need to directly interface with allocating screen bitmaps or anything, any more than a web browser does. But iOS is based on pixels and bitmaps, and also, there were very few models. So every software compamy knew exactly what resource they had. Then the iPhone 6 Plus came out, with the same 1GB as all sorts of other Apple phones. Only, the screen was 1920x1080 resolution. And all screen drawing was actually done in 1242 2208x1242 and then downscaled to 1920x1080. Bottom line: the overhead too enough extra memory over any other 1GB iPhone that some things just broke. Which is why they put 2GB into the iPhone 7.
So if you’re an iPhone user, your only choice is 2GB today in a new model. That’s exactly the right amount, since the memory size will drive software development. And you don’t have the option for more, anyway. For Android, 2GB is a good amount for 2017. I’m not really convinced I need more than that. Then again, I haven’t used up half of the 64GB internal flash on my V10, and the 256GB microSD card is mostly full of photos and music. Not critical, but nice to have.
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2GB of RAM is just dandy for any smartphone application. Even games.
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This is true, any app from the Play Store will run just fine even with 1GB of ram.
But what I was talking about was the fact that most people just leave a ton of apps open and expect them to be that way for long periods of time without redrawing the entire app again.
If you leave open2 games, chrome, whatsapp, messenger spotify, play store, gmail, outlook, evernote, etc... and expect every single of them to be open, you're gonna have a hard time with just 2GB of ram.
That's why 4GB of ram is necessary.
I do not open more than 4-5 apps at a time and tend to close them right after I'm done with them, so 2GB is plenty, even for future versions of Android (if we trust that they will maintain the same line of work for future versions).