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UK ROM 3.14.13 & Radio 4.16 finally here

Official UK upgrade is here.
Rom 3.14.13
Radio 4.16
http://www.o2.co.uk/productsservices/xda/romupgrade/0,,170,00.html

very dissapointed really
No promised MMS, no signal improvements, and although I have yet to install, it looks like there is no fix to the following problems either
1 - SMS name fix, althought the patch on this site does that so feck em!
2 - Switching to phone app after sending sms AFTER a call has been made/received
3 - O2 CS in general, look at all the other international releases, yet O2 are still waaay behind.
4 - Action update is beyond a joke!
Kevin

What? 3.14.13? .... I am expecting a new rom with MMS fuction...

Is it just me or are people not bothering to read the O2 site properly.
They didn't actually promise the MMS update in March. This is due "later in in the year", along with modem capabilities and other stuff.
MMS or sms name fix is not built into any ROM available anywhere. I know somebody who works for O2 and has the next ROM/Radio being tested and apparently this doesn't have this either.
I agree, lets kick their ass on how long it's taken to release this, but lets get our facts straight first.
Lets be realistic. A lot of the stuff we want is not going to be available until PPC 2003, so we will all have to buy new devices by then.

absolute disgust !!!
this is a shambles I wonder how this company continues to exist ?
how can they promise items in an upgrade then basically take 4 months longer than anyone else to put out this "upgrade".
Seems to me like they have the attitude "we have your money so [email protected] you"
I WILL NEVER purchase another XDA from o2.
the idea was fantastic the way they treat people is an absolute disgrace.
could you imagine the rebellion there would be if you bought a telly that kept on losing the channels you had programed when it felt like it.
this was a total waste of money on my behalf.
I will go back to my ipaq and nokia combination.
does anyone want to buy a pretty ppc with a half functioning toy phone built in.
:twisted: :x

THIS IS CRAP!
radio 4.16 still has the unable to re-aquire signal unless plugged into the cradle.
****e ****e ****e I gave O2 the benefit of the doubt for tha last 6 months with the promise that this radio version would fix this problem but it does not. I repeat NOT !
now my blood is boiling time to start a campaign.

The problem with not reaquiring the signal is SIM card related. Get a new SIM card and the problem will disappear.
Atleast this is what I found.

amarko5,
So you have been waiting 6 months for an upgrade to fix your xda not picking up a signal unless in a cradle? And it never occured to you that you have a broken xda or sim?
Well done on winning the completely stupid 2003 award. How do you not fall over more often?????
Unbelieveable.

Now, now, settle down or there'll be tears before bedtime. It is ****e though isn't it? How many people do you think O2 have got working on software? Could it be as many as one? Do you think he(she) works full time, maybe he has a day job as a plumber, very busy time of year this! The nokia/ipaq option is looking good.

Unbelieveable said:
amarko5,
So you have been waiting 6 months for an upgrade to fix your xda not picking up a signal unless in a cradle? And it never occured to you that you have a broken xda or sim?
Well done on winning the completely stupid 2003 award. How do you not fall over more often?????
Unbelieveable.
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Unbelievable you are so wrong
I have contacted o2 on many occasions and it is a "KNOWN BUG" so keep your simple minded comments to yourself.
i have tried 3 sim cards in the phone and all are the same.
I have 2 friends who suffer tha same complaint and there are also many people reporting the same problem on the official source o2 website.
it occurs if the phone loses signal for any extended period of time and if the battery is less than 3/4 charged.
when dropped back in cradle the extra power seems to kick it back up.
if signal is not lost ie local in good area then the phone functions normally
even with low power.
get your facts straight before making childish comments.
P.S. i only ever fall over when i trip over idiots like YOU !

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Now, now, settle down or there'll be tears before bedtime. It is ****e though isn't it? How many people do you think O2 have got working on software? Could it be as many as one? Do you think he(she) works full time, maybe he has a day job as a plumber, very busy time of year this! The nokia/ipaq option is looking good.
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I could not agree more with your comments.

Look i agree O2 has fail on many level but their failure in understanding what we need shouldnt reflect on us... cool down and lets focus on how to get o2 to make the necassary changes
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Peace...
Yeah!
Peace, brothers and sisters.
cool down and lets focus on how to get o2 to make the necassary changes
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I did. See this new topic...

Being in the UK never helps
Why is it that we in the UK have some of the best engineers in the world. But we can't get a simple thing like a bleedin phone to work!
People come from all over the world to get education in the UK. We are a great nation. So O2 UK get yer arse into gear FFS ! ! !
~MArtin

Hi,.
I'm the first Guest who replied about it being the SIM card. I had the problem and I found that my friends O2 SIM fixed the problem. I ordered a new SIM card and it did the trick. If anyone else has the problem and their friends "NEW" SIM card don't fix it, then I too would suggest that it is your XDA that is at fault.
O2 say that it is a known bug which is true - but a bug that can be fixed with a new SIM.
Trust me or not, I was only trying to fix your problem.

@amarko 5
i have problem that may be same as you reported. phone frozen and does not load the radio on a soft reset ? impossibe to use, turn off radio etc. didn't think the power was low to be exactly the same as your problem tried putting back in cradle and on usb hot sync cable - nothing was running radio 408 and 3.14.13. only possible was a full hard reset reset which cured and reloaded radio. have now upgraded to radio 416 as per new o2 update. is this ongoing problem from your knowledge?? will an upgrade to 3.15.xx eng (dutch o2 i think ??) fix it as mentioned in earlier posts??

The Problem still existed after the upgrade (well several re upgrades as well)
I appreciated Guests suggestion of sim card but I have tried 3 simms now 2 of which are just a few weeks old.
It didn't solve my issues.
At present O2 support seem to admit they knew about it and have agreed to take my XDA back to fix (I really hope they do)
so at present i am without my XDA as it's in the post back to O2.
I really didn't want to mess with any unofficial upgrades as you suggest as it may have invalidated warranty.
I may have been a bit slow in getting this sorted but at first O2 just denied a problem it is only recently they seem to acknowledge it.
BTW this BUG seems to affect a lot of people of you read the newsgroups on O2 source newsgroups.
I hope you have better luck with the upgrade if not then i suggest a visit to an O2 shop or call the support line to return it.
dont suffer like i did.
I also hope they compensate me for the useless functionallity of the sp called phone but i have my doubts maybe i will have to consult trading standards or watchdog :wink:
time will tell and i will keep you informed of progress.

Is there some kind of matrix available showing which country is at what ROM/Radio thing? All very confusing for amateurs like me.
Also, would it not be more productive for HTC to do the updating, make it a universal download, but with localised add-ons available
If I'm hopelessly out of my depth here, throw me a lifebelt...

soft reset
Hi,
My xda have the same problem but after a few
soft reset or adjusting the power settings
it now works fine.

same problem
amarko5 said:
Unbelieveable said:
amarko5,
So you have been waiting 6 months for an upgrade to fix your xda not picking up a signal unless in a cradle? And it never occured to you that you have a broken xda or sim?
Well done on winning the completely stupid 2003 award. How do you not fall over more often?????
Unbelieveable.
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Unbelievable you are so wrong
I have contacted o2 on many occasions and it is a "KNOWN BUG" so keep your simple minded comments to yourself.
i have tried 3 sim cards in the phone and all are the same.
I have 2 friends who suffer tha same complaint and there are also many people reporting the same problem on the official source o2 website.
it occurs if the phone loses signal for any extended period of time and if the battery is less than 3/4 charged.
when dropped back in cradle the extra power seems to kick it back up.
if signal is not lost ie local in good area then the phone functions normally
even with low power.
get your facts straight before making childish comments.
P.S. i only ever fall over when i trip over idiots like YOU !
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I had exactly the same problem. They suggested that i get a new sim card because the sim is 2 years old but i couldnt be arsed with that. i phoned XDA fault centre and they said i could send it back for repair. 3 days later, i got it back, and it was working normally again, with a couple of hickups.

Mda pro / Jasjar - the differnces please !

I am about to buy the JJ.
However i'd like to know the exac differences between 'em.
cpu? performance? apps? interface?
I juz wanna know once N for all !!
10x guys !!
:wink:

One has some text on the lid saying: "JasJar"
The otherone has some text saying "MDA Pro"
That's all there is!
There are differences in the shipped ROM, but this can be flashed.
THERE ARE NO HARDWARE DIFFERENCES!
Both devices are HTC Universal, branded by different companies..

On the outer side of the housing one says: i-mate,
the other one says: t-mobile.
;-)

oh, yes.. I forgot!
That's the most important difference! :lol:

don't forget the color difference 8)
O2 Exec = Black
MDA Pro = Light Silver
i-mate JasJar = Dark Silver

I see...
well then..
a huge gap indeed...
you just made me even more baffled
now that we cleared that one up.....
i gotto go find the cheapest.
any idea's? lowest so far = 1000$ Us.
10x !

Re: Jasjar your best bet in my opinion!!
GadiShoshani said:
well then..
a huge gap indeed...
you just made me even more baffled
now that we cleared that one up.....
i gotto go find the cheapest.
any idea's? lowest so far = 1000$ Us.
10x !
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woahhh! Hold up there, we're not done yet. :lol:
Biggest difference is in the support! Both are lousy in customer service relations, but i-mate do release ROM updates much more frequently than all of the others, and that in my opinion counts for alot! Whilst you can flash any of these devices with another devices ROM, you effectively invalidate any warranty for the said device, unless it's an i-mate product. As they frequently (in comparison to others ) release updates, you can take a chance on someone else's ROM (if or when they become available) or swith back to the i-mate ROM as and when you please.
Big + in my books!

i-mate kjam or qtek 9100

Does any of the two have anything more to offer or is the price the only difference?
Thanks

Hardware is the same, differences are only in the ROM and maybe the case (not sure about them, google images and see if they have the same colours!)

Hi,
You I've alreayd seen the cases and I like the qtek case more, the imate case looks abit cheap imho.
Since the difference is only the rom, what are the exact differences? Do you get any extras with either? Is one faster or has better power management?
Over here the imate kjam is a bit cheaper but I was planning on getting the qtek case the case looks better.

I dont have personal experience with either ROM, i'm using the O2 UK shipped ROM installed without any of the O2 extra's. Search the forums for ROM details, there are several posts i've scanned recently about what ROM has what extras

GIR said:
Hi,
You I've alreayd seen the cases and I like the qtek case more, the imate case looks abit cheap imho.
Since the difference is only the rom, what are the exact differences? Do you get any extras with either? Is one faster or has better power management?
Over here the imate kjam is a bit cheaper but I was planning on getting the qtek case the case looks better.
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The i-mate extended rom contents are on the ftp server here, so you could install Backgammon, or even the virus scanner from the i-mate onto the qtek (if you felt the need ). Alternatively, you could reflash one with the complete rom image from the other... Apparently, the i-mate case is made from unobtanium (or some other rare, strong and light alloy) whereas the Qtek is made of plastic (it might be aircraft grade, radiation proof and glow in the dark, but it's still plastic). My XDA is similar to the i-mate being all silver, but sitting with one of each on my desk, neither is a bad choice. I-Mate do offer much better direct end user support, whereas Qtek seem to mostly hide behind distibuters.
Just my $0.02
Dox

I-Mate do offer much better direct end user support,
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Almost choked when i read that. :wink: Their customer service is awful. I never got a SINGLE reply or answer in over a month and their UK service center dont answer their phone.
Cya
Stot.

stot said:
I-Mate do offer much better direct end user support,
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Almost choked when i read that. :wink: Their customer service is awful. I never got a SINGLE reply or answer in over a month and their UK service center dont answer their phone.
Cya
Stot.
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I did say "better", not "good"
At least you lucky i-mate users have a customer service contact to ignore you, we poor Qtek users don't even have that (unless you're Dutch, Swedish or a couple of other nationalities). I can visit a couple of Qtek websites, but none of them accept my IMEI as valid, so I'm stuck several layers down through distributers and retailers... If it wasn't for this site, I could get very old and grey waiting for ROM updates from clubqtek.com (if there was one)
Before I hit "Submit", I did a quick Google and it seems there's now a QtekUK.com site with a forum and the promise of ROM updates. So far, it has a handful of posts, and an even smaller number of replies from Qtek people, and no ROM's, but it is a start... :|
Dox

I had a change to look at both the K-Jam and the 9100 before I bought my K-Jam.
I bought the K-Jam because the screen is much brighter than that of the 9100 with the brightness set at maximum.
See also:
http://www.geek.com/hwswrev/pda/wizard/

Dox said:
Qtek is made of plastic (it might be aircraft grade... {quote cut short}
Dox
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Don't be sucked in by all that [email protected]! i work on aircraft and know that anything - especially aluminium cases - which are aircraft grade (normally aren't a/c grade by the way) are pointless! Aircraft grade materials are useless for 99% of aplications (strangely phones fall in the 99%) unless you expect you phone to be flying at 30,000 feet!
Give me cheap but stronger materials anyday!

Dox said:
Before I hit "Submit", I did a quick Google and it seems there's now a QtekUK.com site with a forum and the promise of ROM updates. So far, it has a handful of posts, and an even smaller number of replies from Qtek people, and no ROM's, but it is a start... :|
Dox
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qtekuk.com is just a front end website for smartdevicesdirect, so it's unclear how closely they are linked to qtek themselves.

At last!

I just saw this post about the i-mate jamin or whatever its called, what can I say? Well I am excited very excited!
For ages I have tried to use my i-mate and safecom with no luck and miss the wifi and memory I used to have on the xda IIi also the bluetooth is crap on the jam.
I do hope it is better on the jamin! well I saw this and put an order in for one I just hope its a good ppc and I would say this is going to be BIG thinking that many mobile users will love this with all applications, I hope tomtom 5 runs on it when I get it...
By the way whats happened to the price of the jam on ebay?? it used to be steady? oh well now I can only hope for 100 - 150
I will report on this phone when it is sitting with me..

Also ordered one about two hours ago! 8) :wink:

well I have my JAMin now.
I have been playing with it for a little while. so far I can say I am very pleased with it.
I find the 200mhz enough for what I use it for, a definite upgrade for all JAM users.
as I expected an awesome pda/phone

Thinking of jumping ship...

I've been using WinMo for a few years now - since I got a C500 ( a great device) and I love my Athena BUT it's getting a bit battered and the camera no longer works and I've had it a while. I've also found myself using my C600 because the Athena is, let's face it, a bit of a brick to carry all the time.
I know it's blasphemy but I've actually been looking at the Nokia E90 - has anyone else looked at this and decided to go for it - or not?
Any views on the E90?
Cheers

To be honest, jumping from one OS to another is a tough decision. If you are dependent on 3rd party applications such as myself, then you will have a problem with symbian. If you use the device for it's calendar, phone, editing word, or any built-in application, then switchng to the E90 is the best choice for you.
My first PDA was palm OS, although I love it, switching from Palm to WM was easy because of the availability of 3rd party software that I needed.
Hope this helps...

i got a sony ericsson p1i, symbian uiq 3.0. if im honest, its a great normal phone, and replaced my athena. but it has bugs i cant solve like sms not appearing in the today plugin-like thing. [its basically like spb diary, with pluses for calenday inbox and tasks, but inbox always reads zero even when texts have been recieved, so i have to always check inbox manually]
Anyways, its limited though, you can get the programs you need, but it just isnt wm. when i first got it, it literally made my athena redundant, because of its small size, same camera, and realy because my athena is more for fun. but recently, ive began using my athena again. [on my trip to wigan yesterday i had my athena on for about an hour on the journey, purrely for opera and wlm. uiq3 has opera 8.65 or whatever the last v8 one was installed, and it works wiht finger scrolling and all that, but it just isnt the same as 96dpi 9.5. and things like i cant change the brightness easily, or connect to wlan, and theres about 6 types of gprs/3g connection and half o the time it connects to the wrong one and stuff like that.
so confucious, if you want to downscale in size and other things, then go for the symbian route, but if not, get a touch diamond
as ive said though, im using iuq 3, wheras the e90 has s60 [i think]
Rory

Thanks for the reply - I've just bought a 'refurbished' E90 of fleabay - lets hope it's OK when it gets here!

i hope youre sill gona keep your athena, i will miss your funny remarks if you get rid of it.
and will you post a review or your views on the e90 like someone did ages ago (i think it was eaglesteve)
And how much was it?
Rory

rorydaredkign said:
i hope youre sill gona keep your athena, i will miss your funny remarks if you get rid of it.
and will you post a review or your views on the e90 like someone did ages ago (i think it was eaglesteve)
And how much was it?
Rory
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It was Leoni who posted the review I think.

Would be interexted to see that review but you can't search for e90 and user Roni only has 1 post (there are many other roniXXXs)
I will, of course keep my Athena and will let you know how I get on with my e90 and how it compares - that is, of course, if it arrives and is usable....

Confucious said:
Would be interexted to see that review but you can't search for e90 and user Roni only has 1 post (there are many other roniXXXs)
I will, of course keep my Athena and will let you know how I get on with my e90 and how it compares - that is, of course, if it arrives and is usable....
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I believe this is the thread that is being refered to by Leoni1980
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=377022

Phone just arrived, put T-Mob SIM in and it connected straight away to the internet, then I got a text from T with their settings, up and running in no time
Thanks for the link lakeman just reading now.
So far, so good

Yes, this is the review I was talking about. Sorry for leading you down the road by the spelling errors.

Thanks for the replies, eaglesteve, it is far better to reply and make a mistake than not reply at all. Your input, as always, is appreciated.
My E90 turned up today after winning it yesterday morning £171 inc P&P - that was for the phone and battery only - I've ordered a charger and car charger for another £13 but don't have tanything else - won't miss the headphones and software I can download - am I missing anything?
I seem to have a bargain!
So far I really like it

Did someone mention my name???

leoni1980 said:
Did someone mention my name???
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no filler.....

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no filler.....
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My ears pricked up.
Don't forget to upgrade your firmware to enable flash support. It works great on the E90s screen. And get an 8gb micro sdhc from play.com if you don't have one already. I thoroughly recommend coreplayer for symbian too: it works superbly with almost any video you throw at it, including .flv.
And of course Garmin xt for all you'd satnav needs

Ordered 4Gb card cos they are cheap.
The latest firmware doesn't seam to be available - it was up then taken down. I guess I'll find out when it is released!
I use CP7 for SatNav - will have to get them to dort it out so it works on the E90 screen!
Thanks for the advice.

wow! 177 for an e90, i have never looked but always assumed they were more then the athena.
im waiting for your impressions
Rory

they're cheaper than the Athena but 177 is an incredibly low price - I'm impressed.
Ive always been caught up somewhere between a business and a pleasure device, and for me the E90 ticked more boxes than the Athena because as well as push email and document viewing/editing there's a much better camera and video recorder and better flash support from within the browser (not to mention a nicer keyboard for typing on).
With the new touch 4 rom the Athena looks great, and Opera 9.5 is a big step forward but still the E90 has the edge for me.

It was £171 but another £13 for chargers.
Woke up this morning and battery is flat
My charger hasn't arrived yet but can borrow one at work
So far I'm very impressed but got problems getting my cert on it so haven't got Push email working yet.

Confucious said:
Ordered 4Gb card cos they are cheap.
The latest firmware doesn't seam to be available - it was up then taken down. I guess I'll find out when it is released!
I use CP7 for SatNav - will have to get them to dort it out so it works on the E90 screen!
Thanks for the advice.
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You might already know that Copilot 7 is just released for Symbian devices.
http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/news.phtml/14637/15661/copilot-7-available-symbian-phones.phtml

Yes, i still haven't received my DVD from them but have already downloaded it. I haven't installed it yet as I am waiting for my memory card to turn up!
Apparently it doesn't work properly on the big screen so I've already asked about them fixing that....