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sms with delay

Hi there, due to the fact that the search option doesn't work with less then 4 characters, i can't search for "sms".
But here's my real problem:
I've flashed different roms into my mda vario, after unlocking it. First the Molski.biz rom, then the last original t-mobile rom, but it was toooo slow, i've imediatly deleted it, en flashed the mr clean rom.
But in all roms i have some delay in recieving sms-messages.
Half the time they appear directly after they were sent by my friends, but sometimes i get them after a few hours. for example: it was sent at 15:00, and i received it at 17:30.
And sometimes i don't get any sms-messages, and after an soft-reset, i get 10 at one time, all delayed.
does anyone know what to do about it? or what causes it?
Regards,
Twan

i sometimes get this too though not often its usually when my phone loses signal and when it comes back into signal it wont recevie txt messages until i soft reset or send another txt out then ill get like 4 all at once lol.
Wizard isnt the best phone for txtin i must say as i send a good 1,000 txts a month and so far its poor.

Sounds like a network issue to me...
The network isn't registering the phone or something similar. For SMS the towers "push" the messages to the phone. Queuing them when they don't detect the phone on the network. If the phone is on the network and not getting the messages until it is reset and forced to re-acquire its signal than it is a network problem.
I've seen this problem on a few networks regardless of phone make and model.

I would agree with the above, its a provider issue not a phone issue.
I have a debate with Orange about 10 years ago about not getting text messeges when I loose and then regain service. I was told that when a text is sent to a phone that is off or lost a signal the message is stored until a set time has passed and then delivery is retried, thus getting all the messages at once. The way 'around' this is the disconnect the phone from the network and re-connect. This forces a scan of the message queues and again you will get all messages in one go.
I would assume going in to Flight Mode and back will do the same thing as a soft boot, but I have not tested this.

Okay,
so i could suggest it's not quitte an rom- or wizzard-issue, but a network-issue.
I also think going to flightmode and back will solve the problem. So we will hear from you if that's a solution?
I'm busy reflashing a new rom into my wizzard.

TwanS said:
I also think going to flightmode and back will solve the problem. So we will hear from you if that's a solution?
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I would hope that as you seeing the problem that you could test this. I get all my texts on time (luckely) so I can't help you I am afraid, I can just share my thoughts.
Let us know how you get on.

bilbo_28 said:
I would hope that as you seeing the problem that you could test this. I get all my texts on time (luckely) so I can't help you I am afraid, I can just share my thoughts.
Let us know how you get on.
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I've tried, but now there's nobody who has sent me an sms
ghehe, i'll wait....
but i do think it will work.
i'll keep you posted

This is happening to me all of a sudden and its not a network issue. I have 4 phones on my account and i texted between all of them and only my phone won't get the messages UNLESS I reboot my phone or use smartskey to close a window.
Here is the strange part, when a text message is sent to my phone, the screen turns on, but doesn't show the message pop.
Is smartskey blocking it?
Also, closing a window by clicking on the X also kicks the message to come through

Missing texts

Hi first post on here so hello. I have a HTC TYTN which is on the 3UK mobile network and i notice that i dont always recieve SMS messages and in fact a collegue of mine has the Orange version (unlocked with a 3 SIM) and also gets the same problem. I used to get this on a standard build TYTN and recently upgraded the Radio ROM to 1.35 and the OS to WM6 hoping that it was software related, but i still get missing texts. I just sent 10 texts from another 3UK mobile and only recieved 2...in fact when ever i have tested this you do seem to only get 2 out of the messages sent.
I also dont get delivery notifications, but not sure if this is related.
Any ideas? I would suspect that is most likely to do with 3's Network and as the phone is not officially support doubt anything will be done about it, but i thought i would just ask and see if anyone else has had this issue and had any suggestions...
Many thanks
Drew

Drewbie said:
Hi first post on here so hello. I have a HTC TYTN which is on the 3UK mobile network and i notice that i dont always recieve SMS messages and in fact a collegue of mine has the Orange version (unlocked with a 3 SIM) and also gets the same problem. I used to get this on a standard build TYTN and recently upgraded the Radio ROM to 1.35 and the OS to WM6 hoping that it was software related, but i still get missing texts. I just sent 10 texts from another 3UK mobile and only recieved 2...in fact when ever i have tested this you do seem to only get 2 out of the messages sent.
I also dont get delivery notifications, but not sure if this is related.
Any ideas? I would suspect that is most likely to do with 3's Network and as the phone is not officially support doubt anything will be done about it, but i thought i would just ask and see if anyone else has had this issue and had any suggestions...
Many thanks
Drew
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Welcome to the wonderful world of Tytn - A rewarding if sometimes frustrating experience
I've read about folks not receiving or being able to send SMS at all, I've read about folk missing texts if the device freezes while in sleep mode, but I have not read about only receiving a proportion of texts sent. Still maybe you'll get some posts to cofirm or otherwise whether it is the three network.
As regards notifications. Normally notifications will be set to on, but perhaps not in your case. The following is taken from the wiki see brown bar near top of this page. This refers to the registry and is the change necessary to turn notifications off (as many seem to want). In your case it would be a reversal of the settings:
Disable SMS received notification
The following setting disable SMS notification and sms recieved icon on screen
HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Inbox\Settings\SMSAvailable = 0>
​To enable again
HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Inbox\Settings\SMSAvailable = 1>
Cheers
Mike​

Hi Mike,
Cheers for your reply, but what i meant by delivery notifications is when i send a SMS to someone and i get a sms back saying it got delivered. I think to be honest this is all part of the same problem. I know someone who works within the 3 messaging team so might ask him to trace the SMSs for me and see what happens.
Cheers

Do you get a notification saying "message sent"?
I have heard of cases (not on 3) where texts have been sent, and then the messaging application closed before this notification appears, and then when the app is opened again, 2 identical texts are sent.
It seems that if the app is not left open for sufficient time after sending (ie before the 'message sent' notification appears), the device can get confused.
Having said that, on t-mob, texting to and from o2, over the past 6 months there have been 1 or 2 occasions when the text sent has not been received for about 3 hours!

Hi,
Yea i have had the odd instance where friends have recieved multiple texts also occasional get the SMS was not able to be sent message.
I don't seem to get delay in recieving texts just never get some. Interesting a friend bought a newer TYTN last week (mine is august/september last year) and he doesnt have the issue and we both have same ROM versions.
Did another test today and out of 10 only got 6. Very strange, it is starting to drive me crazy LOL. Even more so that other people i know have same issue (out of the 6 people i know who have Hermes phones 5 have the issue all on the 3 UK mobile network either TYTN or Orange one unlocked). The 5 of use did buy the phones all about the same time.
I can only assume there has been some very minor change in the hardware or firmware between the earlier Tytns and the later ones.
I have logged a call with HTC Tech support europe and he said never seen this before but he will pass it to the dev team to look at...so be interesting what they come back with.
Drew

Can't send some sms....

Does anyone knows why i get sometimes error "Your text message cannot be sent"? It happens sometimes, not always. I try to sent on one number and it got error and then i sent on other number and everything is fine. If a mobile is turned off, message should be sent and after it's turned on he/she should get a message.
Just don't get it.

hi
this is happening to me too. i realy cant understand what is wrong.
happen only some times, if i send sms to myself it run, if i send to others dont work, but just sometimes.
any help will be appreciate.
thanks
ciao

can I ask you guys which network you're on? I sometimes get the same thing...and sometimes I get no error message but hours later when I check my outbox..the message is still sitting there, and only gets sent when I reset my phone. I'm with O2

Try connection settings - send sms - gsm

I've experienced a similar problem, and narrowed the problem down a bit. I only seems to happen when you reply to a sms message. When the problem occurs try to send a new sms to the contact, go through the contacts tab and select "send sms". A bit annoying but fortunately i don't experience the problem that often.

I live in Croatia so I guess it's not a problem of some particulary network...
What I did:
- sending to a saved contact and to a tiped number - so it's not a number problem
- I always made a new sms (never reply)
- didn't helped soft reset
- I sent sms over gsm and 3g - same problem

Hi guy,
China Mobile for me.........
ciao

this symptom happens to me too, I am in Vietnam. The problem happens when replying (a few) message but not when creating new ones. Help us if anybody finds any clue

I google it a little and i saw it isn't a problem just with HD, also with other htc models - but i didn't find a solution....

Did anyone get any answers to the above thread?
I had the same problem..

SMS Message Problem!

Hi guys,
I'm having some difficulty with sending SMS messages. Its sporadic. Sometimes they send immediately, sometimes not at all. Its very frustrating.
For example, the day I got the phone (last week) I sent 2 text messages. I didn't hear back from anyone but thought nothing off it. I checked my messages and they were time stamped with the time I sent them at so I presumed they had gone.
That evening, about 6 hours later, I got my two replies. The people had only just got them, hours later. One of them wasn't impressed because it was intructions for something they needed to do 4 hours previously!
So, I turned on delivery reports on each sent message to make sure they sent.
Over, the next two days, I had no problems, delivery reports come in immediately within seconds of me sending my SMS message.
Meanwhile, I called my network (Vodafone) to see if there were any issues with network. they reported none. I checked the message centre number and verified it against the network one. They matched, so I thought all was in order... except I would have to get annoying delivery reports cluttering up my Text message inbox until I was sure the service was working 100%.
Earlier today, I sent about 3 important text messages, got no delivery reports, so I texted my other phone to see if the messages were going through. Nada. I was annoyed.
I'm thinking.. whats going on?
So about 10 minutes ago I shut down the phone and booted up again. Within 10 minutes I was getting all my delivery reports and replies from people!
Does anyone know what I could be doing wrong, what setting needs to be activated etc?
Obviously I can't use the text messaging on the device if I can't trust it to just work like pretty much every handset I've owned since... year dot.
PS: I spoke to Vodafone care team who said my sim card must be old; newer sim cards (128k) are needed for these "high tech" phones.
But I just took my sim out of my Nokia N97 (never had a problem) last week AND messages ARE going through on the Leo occasionally and only after a reboot, which is utterly pointless.
This is the last thing I thought I'd have issues with on a device like this..
Any advice? Have I missed something?
Thanks.

Same here, I thought I messed up something in the sms service or so.
Done many hard resets and soft resets. But still no help.

I'm experiencing exactly the same problems. Also Vodafone and no one seems to get any sms from me.

Okay, this ain't good!!

since you both have vodafone, and I haven't seen/heard about other people having these problems, I'd say it was voda's fault

br3nt said:
since you both have vodaphone, and I haven't seen/heard about other people having these problems, I'd say it was voda's fault
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Now tell me, why? I've never had problems on my previous phones.
I don't think the vodafone on the Ireland branch is the same as the one in the Netherlands
Kinda happy to hear that you guys also having the same issue.
It can probally be patched/fixed by htc. I googled for "htc sms hotfix"
And htc is also facing sms issues on other devices.

sigh... How will I live without outgoing SMS capability? so lame... hope you guys will find a fix soon.

seems to be the same like the sms bug in previous manila 2.1 build. outgoing messages weren't send, but only on some specific providers.

How could such a fundamental and critical phone component get screwed up? That just doesn't make sense. Anyone got ideas out there for a fix or we we have to wait for HTC to patch this? What about people who purchased a Leo and have no knowledge of this site etc deal with something like this? They buy a 500+ euro phone, try to send a text message, no joy. Baffled, annoyed, frustrated. Phone would get returned right? Not happy.

I've had this same problem on ATT in the USA

mike91t said:
I've had this same problem on ATT in the USA
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Had? so it's fixed now?

Just had this problem on t-mobile UK. The thing is that if you're in conversation mode it actually gets inserted as if it's been sent. I looked in outbox and it was stuck there, even after pressing 'retry send'. I tried a reset but it was still stuck there, so i retyped the message and sent that, both ended up being sent, with the origanal sms being time stamped as if it was sent ages ago!

I sometimes have this problem too....
O2 here.

In case it helps, I'm not having any problems on 3UK. Are you all certain it's not a network issue?

Perhaps it is to be honest... and perhaps tapping 'resend' just makes it happen in the background so it just appears that it does nothing.
I still find of the most annoying things to be the fact that the auto capitalise new sentence option to not work.... it's bad for perfectionists!!

simplymee said:
I still find of the most annoying things to be the fact that the auto capitalise new sentence option to not work.... it's bad for perfectionists!!
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+1 !!
It might look like it's mainly vodafone but in the UK at least it by far the biggest network, therefore it's bound to affect more voda users. Only 15 posts and already i see vodafone, att, O2, t-mobile, different countries, different networks.

This is the same issue that I've had this week with my Touch Pro running the Leo ROM, the device seemed to be turning all my SMS into MMS and then not sending them, though the odd one would sneak through. The problem has been fixed with an update to the custom ROM I'm using. It's the Energy ROM by the way. I'll send the author a message to see if he can pop on here and offer advice on the problem.

same here O2 in my phone.. even receive some messages later.. pls help us someone

Zero Masamune said:
Had? so it's fixed now?
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No, I have not made any changes that would have fixed the problem, but it is sporadic and only occurred twice a few days ago.

unfortunately same problem on o2 uk

Double SMS delivery notification

Hi,
I've got big problem... When I send SMS to someone and he has turned off phone, I get a delivery notification. When he turn on phone, I get another. So in this point, delivery notification are useless for me, because they don't tell me that someone gets message or not... It's quite confusing. I searched for similar problem, but no luck...
Of course when someone had turned on phone I get only one, proper delivery notification,
Rom which now I use is TESS 4.2, but rom isn't a problem (same on Energy, Shadowline, billyj80, bysio), operator is Polish Orange.
Anyone have any ideas?

goofy3 said:
Hi,
I've got big problem... When I send SMS to someone and he has turn off phone, I get a delivery notification. When you switch on phone, I get another. So in this point, delivery notification are useless for me, because they don't tell me that someone gets message or not... It's quite confusing. I searched for similar problem, but now luck...
Of course when someone has turn one phone I get only one, proper delivery notification,
Rom which now I use is TESS 4.2, but rom isn't a problem (same on Energy, Shadowline, billyj80, bysio), operator is Polish Orange.
Anyone have any ideas?
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Are you talking about "SMS send notification" or "SMS delivery notification"?
The first one you receive directly after sending the SMS (notification from your device). The second one when the SMS is arrived on the device of your correspondent (notification from the network). Both of them you can enabling and disabling with Advanced Config or another Config-tool...

Hi,
I talk about delviery notification

goofy3 said:
Hi,
I talk about delviery notification
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Then you can nothing do I think... Maybe you can call your operator for asking how this is possible...
Do you have it with only one contact or with other numbers to?

I've got this problem with diffrent numbers (and diffrent ops), earlier on Trinity everything was ok, so realy I don't know what is going on... Maybe somthing wrong with radio?

goofy3 said:
I've got this problem with diffrent numbers (and diffrent ops), earlier on Trinity everything was ok, so realy I don't know what is going on... Maybe somthing wrong with radio?
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No, no, no, you receive the message when the sms is received by your contact. Your device and your radio can't know that... It's your operator who send you the message. So you can do nothing, except disabling it. Best idea is to call your operator...

Hmm... Just a while ago, I make test. I send sms from topaz to turned off phone and of course I get delivery message :/ When I turned it on, I got second one. Next, I insert SIM to my second phone, e52, send SMS to switched off phone and what? Nothing. I wait 5minutes, no delivery report. I switched on phone, and when sms arrived I get message.
So it is something with Topaz, not operator...