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I am looking to get tomtom on my o2 Exec and wondered whether there was anywhere I can buy it on a SD card or if anyone out there would be able to put it on an SD card for me?
TomTom
Best way to get the software is to buy it..... www.tomtom.com
Please don't ask people on these forums to illegally copy the software for you.. it really does ruin such a great forum. We are not a WAREZ or ILLEGAL SOFTWARE COPYING forum.
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It doesn't really ruin the forum in my opinion, the previous post has done nothing to spoil my enyoyment of it. In actual fact it has been proven that illigal music downloaders/rippers spend more on music that those that stay 'legal'. I guess partly as they expose themself to 20 more albums a week, and may then buy the new one when in the shop or get concert tickets. Same with tomtom, if 100 more illigal units are out there, that's a lot of advertising for them!
Yes it's illigal, so is a huge amount of things that the population does, is it a bad thing? Well that's political and debatable and full of opinion, and for me asking for info on it certainly doesn't spoil this forum.
Greg.
cgrillo said:
Best way to get the software is to buy it..... www.tomtom.com
Please don't ask people on these forums to illegally copy the software for you.. it really does ruin such a great forum. We are not a WAREZ or ILLEGAL SOFTWARE COPYING forum.
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Well said Greg...kind of...
Keep out the warez and cracked programs please.
Some of us pay for products which helps the companies add new features and keeps the product available - so why ask us to get freebies for you? If it's too dear for you don't buy it, look for an altenative 'legal' option.
I would expect any decent forum to reject warez or risk the wrath of the software authors.
Do we want to lose forums like this just so some cheapskates can get free software, NO!
I not agreeing with the pirating element, simply his statement that such discussion doesn't necessarily 'ruin' a forum...
Just before I raise my point..... I want to make it clear that I have a purchased copy of OCN5. Now if when I upgrade my rom I ll need a different copy everytime and the Support at Navigon wont provide me with a new activation key everytime. In this situation what would I most likely do?
Just my cent and a half
Completely agree. I'm actually looking to buy and subscribe to traffic, but I wouldn't have done unless I had some experience with the software. Most things that are 'experienced' get binned and one would never have shelled out for it in the 1st place, so the author (who is normally paid a salary and it's shareholders who get all the money) won't have any less money with my philosophy, in fact more. It's a fact that those who download music illigally spend more on music than others, because they are exposed to more and then decide they really want that album etc.
Again this is all opinion, the above is just mine and I may or may not be right - in no way does anyones opinion on this affect the service or actions of this forum.
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Just before I raise my point..... I want to make it clear that I have a purchased copy of OCN5. Now if when I upgrade my rom I ll need a different copy everytime and the Support at Navigon wont provide me with a new activation key everytime. In this situation what would I most likely do?
Just my cent and a half
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Interesting topic so I'm going to throw my bit in.....
I download Music, Films, Software and anything I can for free !!
Now.... All the above get listened watched and used !
If I like the album I buy it.
If I like the film I buy it.
If I like the software I buy it, or at least an alternative if the product is expensive.
I do however buy a lot of the albums & music on ebay, (proper copies though), because it's cheaper. The record and film companies get money the first time round and the artists etc get the royalties. However when I buy it they get nothing because I buy it off ebay..... So in essence regardless of whether I download or buy nobody get's a penny, (except the eBay seller).
Now I have bought some software of ebay like this as well. Sometimes it's been dodgy, (not intentional), but usually it's secondhand and okay.... but again the software company are not gaining out of that.
Anyway.... TomTom.... Yes I did have an illegal copy and I did for a while. During that time I had all the funs & games getting it to work properly, pretty much all the problems that I've read here. If I originally spent 300+ UK pounds on it I would be pretty %#$#$# off.
As my experienced and confidence grew with it I decided it was worth investing a proper copy. So I carried on using the illegal version until funds allowed and then I bought it.
If I were to research something on the web I would probably put in search terms such as TOMTOM Problems or TOMTOM issues etc. Now I'm a techie so I don't mind a challenge and generally will solve an issue... eventually.... BUT.. If I wasn't technical minded and I saw all the issues people have had with TOMTOM and all the complaints of poor customer service, would I buy it?...... no way man, I would go elsewhere.
I don't agree with illegal software though, (even though admitting I use it), but I thought I would voice my opinion.
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Interesting topic so I'm going to throw my bit in.....
I download Music, Films, Software and anything I can for free !!
Now.... All the above get listened watched and used !
If I like the album I buy it.
If I like the film I buy it.
If I like the software I buy it, or at least an alternative if the product is expensive.
I do however buy a lot of the albums & music on ebay, (proper copies though), because it's cheaper. The record and film companies get money the first time round and the artists etc get the royalties. However when I buy it they get nothing because I buy it off ebay..... So in essence regardless of whether I download or buy nobody get's a penny, (except the eBay seller).
Now I have bought some software of ebay like this as well. Sometimes it's been dodgy, (not intentional), but usually it's secondhand and okay.... but again the software company are not gaining out of that.
Anyway.... TomTom.... Yes I did have an illegal copy and I did for a while. During that time I had all the funs & games getting it to work properly, pretty much all the problems that I've read here. If I originally spent 300+ UK pounds on it I would be pretty %#$#$# off.
As my experienced and confidence grew with it I decided it was worth investing a proper copy. So I carried on using the illegal version until funds allowed and then I bought it.
If I were to research something on the web I would probably put in search terms such as TOMTOM Problems or TOMTOM issues etc. Now I'm a techie so I don't mind a challenge and generally will solve an issue... eventually.... BUT.. If I wasn't technical minded and I saw all the issues people have had with TOMTOM and all the complaints of poor customer service, would I buy it?...... no way man, I would go elsewhere.
I don't agree with illegal software though, (even though admitting I use it), but I thought I would voice my opinion.
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Hello,
I guess most of the People flashing WP7 on their HD2 do not have a WP7 License.
And by activating Windows Live services Microsoft gets to know your name, phone number, e-mail adress...
May Microsoft know that you do not own a WP7 device but only flashed it to your HD2?
Does nobody here believe that Microsoft could try to stop people flashing the Rom by using all legal steps possible?
What could happen? How are the possibilities for it to happen/not to happen?
What do you think?
i worried about that ...but i gave all fake information to microsft ...
I doubt microsoft would spend the time and money going after individual users just for using wp7 on their hd2. If anything, they will try to find a fix in their system to know if you have a genuine device or not and stop it from working, and I hear they have already sent a letter to a member of the dft team, which is why I don't think they officially released the rom here on xda. But it wouldn't be worth it for them to legally go after us end users... especially since we basically are using the key we got from them so we can buy apps from their app store, which is putting money in their pockets.
I doubt Microsoft will act on this. Sure, they might take some steps to make future updates more difficult to port or activate, but I doubt they will take legal action against the people running the OS.
For Microsoft, people running WP7 and activating Live services on their HD2 might even be a source of income, since they can buy stuff on the Market Place. I'm pretty sure they will conveniently count all LEO7 users the next time they brag about WP7's market share
Still, handset manufacturers will probably be less happy. If you can run WP7 on your HD2, there's not much incentive to buy a new phone with practically the same hardware just for the OS.
What could happen?
Maybe Microsoft will bring hundreds of users to trial and sentence them to death
No seriously, just imagine the huge effort to get a single user not to use the DFT WPH. This also would most probably result in bad newspaper articles against M$.
WPH is a thing were in my opinion ms should stop trying to be better or harder than appple and finding a middle-way between android and, you know, jailPhone.
Ah, back on topic.. i think nothing serious will happen, maybe ms tries to talk to the devs like they did with chevronWP7, but you wont be sentenced to death nor go to jail or something...
by using a pirate windows, M$ can know more info about you (even your naked foto), but have you ever heared someone be charged with pirate windows with no commercial use?
M/S could use legal action about copywrite theft but it would do is put someone already using a WinMo phone and trying to use a WP7 phone from leaving M/S forever. That would mean quite a few HD2 folks, when deciding about their next phone would blank out M/S.
M/S want WP7 to be a big success and the only way it will be big is if it gets a load of apps developed for it. And the only way it will get the iphone and android developers to make a WP7 app is if there is a big market for it. Now if M/S quote the number of WP7 phones that have been sold they will get a lot lot less than the number of activation licences for WP7 - now what number do you think M/S would want to broadcast? Yes they could exaggerate the number, but the real figure would get out.
Since Apple get a proportion of any apps sold, then no doubt M/S would go along the same lines, and this money would more than make up for the development costs.
The WP7 market share is well below ipohne o/s, Android, Symbian and Blackberry.
There are several possibilities... I think one thing is for sure: soon, they'll stop giving keys without IMEI or proof of purchase. I doubt they just ignore the issue, thinking of apps sales.
The lightest thing they'll do is ban all the keys given since yesterday. Some legit folks will be affected, but they just have to contact Microsoft. Microsoft might try to reach customers who asked for a key, so they confirm the possession of a legit WP7 device.
Can MS have access to the HD2 IMEI? Can they "ban" something besides being able to enter the Market?
If we consider lawsuits, a question arises: will they sue everyone who asked for a key or only those who've used it? Lawyers are expensive, but they are filthy rich!
So now we have a panic room in XDA.
Why are people afraid ? Did you still your HD2? Did you still your key? Will the LiVe services give you ilegitm money or pay app for free?
No I'm not a tief, I just ask a key that allowed that I can try a new WM SO on my WM Device I have just payed the license.
And MS have said to us, we can't have WP7S because of 3 keys issues, but now MS can be glad because we solve that issue for their.....it was MS that could pay some money for our development.
Comeone have you or no a WM Device, with licenses payed when you buy the HD2? I think yes, because I pay a lot of money for my HD2 WM Device.
An Alternative View...
I can understand why some are worrying about this but MS tend to go after larger organisations and even then have been known to be surprisingly reasonable - certainly when compared to the Adobe and Oracle sharks - providing people are trying to true up.
So I doubt they would go after individuals - if they were that litigious there is no way they would dish out activation codes without a few checks and balances.
But here's the other view; up until about 24 hours ago I hated WP7 with a passion. it seemed like a half-assed retrograde step from 6.5.5 and I was sore at MS for selling out to the Apple business model.
I don't eat humble pie too often, but I'm just about to - WP7 is pretty good and it may even be a keeper. It's lively, reasonably good fun and works quite nicely. I even think that Marketplace is as good as and perhaps even better than the App Store - I was surprised how many apps it had, including good quantities of free ones and although App Store must have more, many of them are utter rubbish. The fact that Marketplace lets you try before you buy is a massive plus and should allow users to filter out the rubbish.
Had it not been possible to get the phone activated and were it not for the good XDA-ers (and others) who have helped to unlock the device I wouldn't even have tried it, but when most of one's personal objections are removed, it becomes worth a look at least. My only major gripe at present is the lack of a decent Sat Nav.
So whether they meant to or not, MS have probably ensured that my next device will be a WP7 device and I would have said there was more chance of me eating my own face than doing that up until very recently. And that's without the money I have spent at Marketplace today and what I will spend in future.
Sense on the part of MS - unlikely. Coincidence and a loophole that will be closed soon - probably. Humble pie for tea? Definitely.
well Microsoft UK have stopped giving out codes and ask you to call HTC instead. i cant see Microsoft proceeding with legal as it would seem to be more hassle. i think they will start asking for more information about your phone when you ask for a code
IMO, why would they go so far as to go after individual users??? I believe they might contact DFT at the most. I mean, dont they want as much consumers using and experiencing their OS as possible, suscribing to Zune? Purchasing their apps???? I mean they should see this as more users getting to know and love WP7 and attracting more developers (since a lot of people hacking to these measures might be devs.) And maybe it will lead to users wanting a WP7 device as their next phone after being so pleased with the experience on their HD2... I mean, i doubt this would put a dent on WP7 sales overall since we are such a small # of users doing this. Just make it harder to get the code, and publically say "that they dont encourage/reccomend this and to get a real WP7 device yadda yadda yadda..."
Plus, we already have a license to use one of their OS's (WM6.5) so i bet they can be a bit more easy on us than to say... a port to an Android device
just a thought...
Didn't we already have a topic like this?
I think we got enough of an answer here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10601038&postcount=16
how legal/illegal this might be I am of the belief that microsoft is smart enough to not waste money by going after all us individuals. I do believe that they might try to block us from using wp7 by applying new securityfeatures just like apple does with jailbreak though As said previously MS just stopped giving out keys in the UK and even though they would try to check then your phone would show up as a HD7. If they dig deeper they may be able to see that you really do not own a HD7, but again i do not believe they are willing to spend that much time.
Danation said:
Didn't we already have a topic like this?
I think we got enough of an answer here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10601038&postcount=16
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good enough for me if thats the case LMAO
May be we should try to write the public letter to Microsoft with request to give us a possibility to buy a license for wp7? Why they allow to upgrade XP to W7 and don't allow to upgrade WM6.5->WP7?
Hi,
I would like to start discussion, what do you thing, why is the MS still issuing tha activation codes for WP7. Nobody here could think, that in MS are so stupid, that they did not noticed, that there is successful port of WP7 to HD2 and that they are now issuing the activation keys to those phones.
I am thinking about those possible reasons:
they do not want to piss regular customers, who could have this problem with the activation
they want to have higher marketshare, so they are just overlooking the issue
they will shut all those WP7 and live ids in next update, so they do not care right now
What do you think guys?
I think option 1.
would go for option 1.
only marketshare that would go up is web browser marketshare... they do not sell more phones this way.
what could be a fourth option is that microsoft actually uses the XDA community to test every security system in their OS for loopholes and bugs in an early stage so they can fix all that (without having to look for the problems theirselves) and make sure people are unable to hack their OS when the OS goes into a more complete and final form as the OS is now only in 7.0 and not even released globally.
still option 1 is more likely. they possibly do not have a database with all s/n or imei numbers for all (sold) wp7 phones so they are unable to check.
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I think option 1.
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Its Option 1. I remember reading on their support site that on some cases that the verification fails (the did not mention the possible reasons) on any windows phone out of the box.
homer.web said:
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they do not want to piss regular customers, who could have this problem with the activation
they want to have higher marketshare, so they are just overlooking the issue
they will shut all those WP7 and live ids in next update, so they do not care right now
What do you think guys?
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Definitely #1. When I called technical support, it seemed like the woman I talked with had done this before and she knew exactly what I was talking about. She asked if I was using WP7 and when I said yes, she even said "Oh, well that's why you need an activation code." I think I read somewhere that even if you're using a WP7 device, doing a hard reset on the phone would cause you to need a new activation code, so it's not out of the ordinary for them to receive calls about it I suppose.
#3 is something I'm a bit worried about in the back of my mind, but the thing is my phone identifies itself as an HD7, so I'm not sure if MS would be able to tell it wasn't. I also don't think it's worth their time and money to look into the issue since in the bigger picture, the amount of users who haven't bought an "offical" WP7 device is relatively small I would think. Another thing is they're now getting money from me, since while I have absolutely no interest in buying a new WP7 device, I'm now buying apps/games and will probably buy some music through Zune (really digging the software).
I don’t think there is a downside for MS at the moment. From what I understand, the HD2 is one of the few (last gen) phones capable of running WP7 and the more people that use WP7 the sooner that apps that are popular for other OS's will be created for WP. More money for MS but more importantly, quicker adoption by the general public because the marketplace will quickly catch up with Apple and Droid.
From my limited use of WP7, it’s a great addition. Different thinking in its design but a distinct lack of business and productivity tools in the marketplace is going to hold me back from a using this as my daily OS.
Not a bad thought
I say #1 for sure, though i fear #3 to be honest ;-)
I am highly impressed with Windows Phone 7, and Microsoft may have realized that someone like me may make a WP7 device their next phone purchase.
1 and 2, please not 3.
It's obviously 1 as there have been several actual WP7 handsets needing activation also - that said, there is nothing stopping them from killing all the HD2 codes at any given time. The IMEI still identifies the phone as a HD2 rather than an HD7 so whenever they feel the need...
They could also go as far as banning your Live account from any future access to Zune and Xbox Live due to this - both the one used on your phone and the one you [may have] given them during your phonecall.
I was thinking #2, but i'm reading more and more people now not getting codes. therefore i guess it's #1.
will be very interesting to see what happens when the update comes along. ?will you dare to try it? will marketplace and apps stop working even if you don't install it?
Why should MS actually have a problem with 5 to 10 000 enthusiats that are flashing WP7 on their HD2's? I don't think that will affect sales of new WP7 phones as the HD2 is not produced anymore anyway.
ill take number 3 for 500.00 Alex kidding
I truly believe MS is going to lock us out from Live services similar to the same issue the xbox 360 with a custom FW have,they do a massive band of xbox 360 systems from xbox live service a couple of times a year.
Although we are not pirating any games such in the case of xbox 360 flashed with custom firmware (and yes some people are going to say some use their flashed xbox 360 to backup their games I truly don't care, save it for your mama) just modifying our phones but it seems to me as one way for them to screw us over.
1 & 2 & - I fear - even 3
homer.web said:
Hi,
I would like to start discussion, what do you thing, why is the MS still issuing tha activation codes for WP7. Nobody here could think, that in MS are so stupid, that they did not noticed, that there is successful port of WP7 to HD2 and that they are now issuing the activation keys to those phones.
I am thinking about those possible reasons:
they do not want to piss regular customers, who could have this problem with the activation
they want to have higher marketshare, so they are just overlooking the issue
they will shut all those WP7 and live ids in next update, so they do not care right now
What do you think guys?
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You do know that Microsoft and HTC along with the rest of them actually read everything posted on these XDA forms.
Why did HTC stop giving out sd cards when everybody started saying there cards were faulty!
Think about it!!!!!!
Russ
Don't be too paranoic. A few years ago Microsoft politely asked XDA not to allow the posting of custom ROM's on it's servers. NOTE: They didn't ask for discontinuation of ROM development, although they could do this legally. They just asked that the ROM's are not hosted on XDA. MS knows this site very well since Day 1.
Same goes for HTC. You look at it in another way: XDA is a perfect testing field for all sorts of things. Here you have a bunch of relatively competent enthusiasts that are ready to do almost everything to theis phones That's a very valuable resource for companies like MS and HTC.
Think about HTC. Their phones are always hackable unlike the phones from other brands. Have asked yourself why this is the case?
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Don't be too paranoic. A few years ago Microsoft politely asked XDA not to allow the posting of custom ROM's on it's servers. NOTE: They didn't ask for discontinuation of ROM development, although they could do this legally. They just asked that the ROM's are not hosted on XDA. MS knows this site very well since Day 1.
Same goes for HTC. You look at it in another way: XDA is a perfect testing field for all sorts of things. Here you have a bunch of relatively competent enthusiasts that are ready to do almost everything to theis phones That's a very valuable resource for companies like MS and HTC.
Think about HTC. Their phones are always hackable unlike the phones from other brands. Have asked yourself why this is the case?
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That is correct. You have hit the nail on the head. HTC & Microsoft like what the XDA Devs do with these ROMs, as it will enhance them to produce better ones. Just think back a few months, they were going to release the wp7 update for the HD2. And then not? Why.. Probably to see if the Devs could do a hack. Also why would microsoft make some tools available to enhance these ROMs. Yes you are correct, they like what's being accomplished.
Its the same with the activation keys, they now have none stop requests!! But they will issue them. Will have to wait and see if the new update works, or crashes it?? I will give it a try.
Russ
A 'carphone warehouse' insider has informed me that they recieved a bulliten stating that some batches of HTC phones were shipped prior to being activated by MS.
MS apparently have a list of new activation numbers for these handsets but may not have a record of any IMEI numbers etc (he wasn't sure how much they knew about the handsets)
Basically it seems that authentication will also fail on some original HTC WP7 handsets (like the HD7) so MS are prepared to issue those with new activation numbers.
Personally, when I gave my IMEI for my HD2 to get the activation code I changed the last 3 digits and they still said 'ah..yes it's a HTC phone, is that correct?', so might be a good idea to base a made up IMEI on a real one.
The way I see it:
This community and the readers are the one who have spent their time to make their phone compatible with Microsoft so they can use MICROSOFT more. They are saving Microsoft marketing money and expanding its share and generate revenue through apps for them.
Microsoft has always been smart with this. They let the piracy of Windows in ASIA to slit through on basis of expansion of market share. Microsoft should know better than anybody else, why most of the planet use windows,
Microsoft has got the label of M$ but in all fairness, they have been nice considering the power and their dominance. They have special discounts for students, their OS provides the opportunity for people to build any system they want at very very affordable costs.
Their Windows Mobile 7 app development kit virtually has made it simple for app developers to develop apps and make money.
(obviously, they win but at the same time, reduces the production budget for start up folks)
I bought 4 copies of Windows 7 PRO x64 through student discount. Who else would give me so much discount to enable me to buy so many fantastic products?
sorry for the rant and fanboyism. I thought it was justified.
ever thought that maybe they don't know about the hd2 running wp7, my friend had to contact ms for activation for his hd7...
I love my HD2, as does every one else in this forum after all, that's why we are all here. I mean i have a phone which within 30 minutes i can have any one of 4 different operating systems and each one with lots of lovely flavours. what's not to like?
This is the kind of customer i am; i like choice.
This type of customer knows how to install new phones and install custom firmwares. Thing is that this type of customer, i.e. Me, is also a prolific spender of online goods and services. I pay for a web host and remote file storage. i pay for my online music (though mine is very specialised so not from itunes!) and movies. i spend a small fortune on Xbox live arcade and PSN.
I am also a developer and write Visual basic, linq and oracle SQL apps for my employer as well as for my self.
Now here comes the problem. I have a HD2 and i have a choice of android, Wp 6.5 and Wp7 (we will leave out windows 98 as thats not much use on the phone for daily use). If i install Win 6.5 my phone is dead, no nice apps and a clunky interface. If i install android i get a fully functioning phone with access to the market place and i have already spent quite a bit in there on apps and games for an OS that i may not even use in future. If i install WP7 i get the basics but microsoft actually STOP me from giving them money and buying apps and games.
This seems daft in 3 ways
1) i want to buy apps and games but they are stopping me from giving them money
2) I can get the games via pirate methods but as a software writer, thats not the game i am in; fair program = fair payment.
3) i am due to upgrade in 3-4 months and at that time i have to decide whether i stick with my HD2 or upgrade to an android phone or a Win 7 phone; if i have invested all my money in android and begun developing on that handset then i will not buy a WP7 device, no matter what comes in the next update.
Way i look at it microsoft are being silly about this, android do not limit what i can purchase from their marketplace, legit phone or not.
Now in times of old, microsoft could ignore us as we make up 0.5% of the customer base and, with pirating, make up 0% of the companies income. But times change and now we are a resource, Modern phones generate income well after they have been sold via downloads and as a developer of (admittedly basic) apps i am some one microsoft might want on board. Microsoft is going to drive a significant wedge of its customer base away (aside from the horror stories i have heard regarding app submission, 1+ month for a revision?) and once the slide starts towards android, microsoft will not be able to stop it.
Now i cannot ring up microsoft and start to ask for codes and give in fake details as that is not who i am and my hotmail account is my developer account. On the other hand i have a little money and i am happy to purchase a licence for this phone from microsoft or HTC to enable WP7 on this device, but how do we get them to do this? plus windows phone 7 is hacked onto the HD2, deal with it or lose that whole segment of customers.
Way i see it if i prepare a carefully constructed letter and email it to them and i get the YTS kid, nothing is going to happen. If on the other hand we know some one higher up who can look at this then i`m happy to discuss with them.
Now i know this will do nothing and i know microsoft will just say `buy a new phone` or 'Its down to HTC' but i am not looking to pirate the phone i am looking to be legitimate. If they only want to drive me to pirate stuff to test the phone and develop for it then i`ll just choose to go with android and spend my cash there.
Well that was a bit annoying to read m8, please try and use proper paragraphs.
You have some very valid points there but I just dont think that M$ are going to go back on what they have said and start supporting unofficial roms. If they was going to do that they would simply release an official rom which I just cant see them doing as HTC would potentially be pissed of as they would have far less people buying the HD7.
just look the forum about the problems with the shipped sd card...
unsupported device is unsupported, at the moment they dont block, so be happy it works anyway but dont expect support from ms (support is not cheap).
Microsoft gave me a key no problem. I've been buying apps on the app store no problem. They just asked me is the phone a HTC, which it is. If I were you I wouldn't bother writing a letter until they say they will be blocking HD2 running WP7.
I'll be upgrading to WP7 when the new batch of high spec WP7 comes out but for now I love running WP7 on my HD2.
As the poster above has pointed out the problem with SD cards. Can you imagine what would happen if Microsoft said the would support the HD2. Thousands of people would be complaining that there SD cards don't work which causes numerous problems with the OS. Thats just one of many other differences. The DFT has done an amazing job and I think Microsoft will leave us HD2 users alone.
If you want to learn a little bit more about the SD card problems, read the link below. It will explain alot
http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/17/windows-phone-7s-microsd-mess-the-full-story-and-how-nokia-ca/
This type of customer knows how to install new phones and install custom firmwares
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Just look at all the problems "This type of customer is having", if it was so easy (which it is) why is "This type of customer" having so many problems? Oh and for everyone 1 of those "This type of customer" there's 10 of those "That type of customer"
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I love my HD2, as does every one else in this forum after all, that's why we are all here. I mean i have a phone which within 30 minutes i can have any one of 4 different operating systems and each one with lots of lovely flavours. what's not to like?
This is the kind of customer i am; i like choice.
This type of customer knows how to install new phones and install custom firmwares. Thing is that this type of customer, i.e. Me, is also a prolific spender of online goods and services. I pay for a web host and remote file storage. i pay for my online music (though mine is very specialised so not from itunes!) and movies. i spend a small fortune on Xbox live arcade and PSN.
I am also a developer and write Visual basic, linq and oracle SQL apps for my employer as well as for my self.
Now here comes the problem. I have a HD2 and i have a choice of android, Wp 6.5 and Wp7 (we will leave out windows 98 as thats not much use on the phone for daily use). If i install Win 6.5 my phone is dead, no nice apps and a clunky interface. If i install android i get a fully functioning phone with access to the market place and i have already spent quite a bit in there on apps and games for an OS that i may not even use in future. If i install WP7 i get the basics but microsoft actually STOP me from giving them money and buying apps and games.
This seems daft in 3 ways
1) i want to buy apps and games but they are stopping me from giving them money
2) I can get the games via pirate methods but as a software writer, thats not the game i am in; fair program = fair payment.
3) i am due to upgrade in 3-4 months and at that time i have to decide whether i stick with my HD2 or upgrade to an android phone or a Win 7 phone; if i have invested all my money in android and begun developing on that handset then i will not buy a WP7 device, no matter what comes in the next update.
Way i look at it microsoft are being silly about this, android do not limit what i can purchase from their marketplace, legit phone or not.
Now in times of old, microsoft could ignore us as we make up 0.5% of the customer base and, with pirating, make up 0% of the companies income. But times change and now we are a resource, Modern phones generate income well after they have been sold via downloads and as a developer of (admittedly basic) apps i am some one microsoft might want on board. Microsoft is going to drive a significant wedge of its customer base away (aside from the horror stories i have heard regarding app submission, 1+ month for a revision?) and once the slide starts towards android, microsoft will not be able to stop it.
Now i cannot ring up microsoft and start to ask for codes and give in fake details as that is not who i am and my hotmail account is my developer account. On the other hand i have a little money and i am happy to purchase a licence for this phone from microsoft or HTC to enable WP7 on this device, but how do we get them to do this? plus windows phone 7 is hacked onto the HD2, deal with it or lose that whole segment of customers.
Way i see it if i prepare a carefully constructed letter and email it to them and i get the YTS kid, nothing is going to happen. If on the other hand we know some one higher up who can look at this then i`m happy to discuss with them.
Now i know this will do nothing and i know microsoft will just say `buy a new phone` or 'Its down to HTC' but i am not looking to pirate the phone i am looking to be legitimate. If they only want to drive me to pirate stuff to test the phone and develop for it then i`ll just choose to go with android and spend my cash there.
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What? Do you think Microsoft and HTC do not read these posts? Well you have just told them all. As soon as you post anything in XDA its read by these people...
I have a concern that Microsoft will revoke our activation codes and we will loose all our purchased apps and games.
Could this happen, do you think it could happen, or please tell me I am being paranoid and go spend some money on the marketplace?
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THUDUK said:
I have a concern that Microsoft will revoke our activation codes and we will loose all our purchased apps and games.
Could this happen, do you think it could happen, or please tell me I am being paranoid and go spend some money on the marketplace?
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You're being paranoid. Go spend some money in the marketplace.
Seriously, I think there are two reasons why this won't be a problem:
First, I doubt Microsoft is tracking the sort of information that would ever lead to this (I'd expect they would have to be linking our IMEI numbers to our windows live id), or if they are, I doubt they would ever bother to check that those IMEI numbers were for valid WP7 devices.
Second, your purchases are tied to your windows live id, not a particular phone. Even if they decided to somehow shut down phones that weren't using legitimate versions of WP7, I doubt they would (or legally could) take away your purchased apps (without refunding your money, at least).
Go forth and purchase!
Dingo
The activation code is needed to use Windows live services, Xbox live and Marketplace. You can still use WP7 on HD2 if you don't have an activation code (the OS still works).
Even if activations were canceled or revoked, apps and games installed on the phone would still be usable unless they specifically require access to your activated Windows Live account.
aye, what they said ^^
also, could they, potentially yes but would they? its very unlikely they would, whilst you are (hopefully) spending money on the market you are sending them money, as long as users of WP7 dont take the piss as has happened in the android development and steal as much as the can MS doesnt have an incentive to block us all. Unfortunately as WP7 gains popularity we may get flooded with freeloaders illegally downloading as much as they can get their hands on, this would kill us as MS would then have a very big incentive to lock down WP7 even more and potentially part of that could be blocking us as well.
in short, buy stuff on the market and they will be happy resulting in us beingt happy!
It was interesting to test WP7 as we did with Android. But the activation code is so embarassing that it dissuade us. So we just hope that we will have an automatic simple unlock code soon. For the moment, bye bye WP7 and welcome Android.
How is it embarrassing, just curious? It was simple & effective to get the activation code. WP7, is quite simply way better than Android, imho. To each his own, but I think if you used it, while activated, you'd be convinced to keep it. It's easy to use, effective, & so clean looking. Lmao, I sound like a commercial now, I better stop.
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