Hi,
my new provider offers a GPRS flatrate and I wonder if there is a tool to make IP telephony (for international calls) possible.
Does anybody know a company which offers that kind of service for PPCs? Or is there a kind of workaround to use this service from XDAII via GPRS?
I've been using Net2phone and Webphone before, I think it is impossible to convert and run their access programs on PPC. So maybe there is a way?!
Thanks for any comments on that topic...
bobopopo
You may want to try MS Portrait and Skype which now has a PPC client.
Skype for PPC
Has anybody used skype and a SD Wifi Card?
Has anybody used skype and a SD Wifi Card?
I did i works PErfect i have a mda 2 and a scandisk sd wifi card
perfect only no video
You can use Net2Phone and other VOIP services on the Pocket PC...simply download either X Lite, X Pro or SJPhone and set them up to use the Net2Phone servers. Or you could just download the already-set FWD Pocket PC client from www.fwd.pulver.com. Voice quality over GPRS may not be all that good though...
There is a PPC version of XTen's VoIP client (the probably best VoIP software client), but it costs $50 for the newest version (X-Pro). see: http://www.xten.com/index.php?menu=products&smenu=xpro
But it seems like speech quality is problematical on the imate devices. see: http://support.xten.net/viewforum.php?f=7
What I was able to find was this previous version of X-Lite, which seems to be free: http://www.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=8886
According to a reply to an email I sent to Xten Networks, you can download a trial version of X-Pro's Pocket PC edition from their site. The *.cab can be downloaded straight to your XDA from the following site:
http://builds.xten.net/download/?8cc389c2722bfa6f7dbb62de512cd930
Alternatively, you can download the *.exe file to your PC and then install it to your XDA. It can be found at:
http://builds.xten.net/download/?0c14043762718fd7b11deb85e7b6a0f8.
The user's guide is available at:
http://xten.com/docs/X-PRO_PocketPC_Users_Guide.pdf
Hope this helps
I'd love to hear otherwise, but I don't think this could work at all. VoIP requires a consistent 17k data transfer with little loss and low latency (under 225ms). All my testing points to about 1000-1400ms latency and heavy packet loss, often greater than 50%. This is part of the design of GPRS; using "spare" data space so that the voice calls are always clear.
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Hi, I'm looking for a VOIP client that can run on the Universal, that isn't Skype. It needs to be a standard SIP client. There's loads of these of earlier versions but none mention WM5 compatibility. Has anyone tried anything like the PPC xten client on a Universal?
(In answer to 'why not skype', I work for an ISP that provides a VOIP service over the SIP standard. I get a bunch of free PSTN breakout call minutes. Since I'm in wifi range for 95% of my day, I want to use voip over wifi on a Universal for most of my voice comms)
TIA
Matt S.
have you tried http://www.sjlabs.com/sjp.html
recently updated for 2003 and 2003se but may work for wm5.
No, I don't have a Universal yet, and I don't know anyone with one, or any other WM5 device, unfortunately.
If there's no Universal-compatible SIP softphone, I might not get a Universal at all. But the techno-lust is growing stronger every day, so I'll probably just use skype until Xten or someone else makes their client work on WM5.
For that matter, I might even write one myself - not that I know much about PPC development!... (quick google later)... just discovered that the state of Python for PPC is pretty abysmal. I guess .NET is the way to go. Oh joy.
Matt S.
i am using X-Pro Softphone for Pocket PC on my mda pro (t-mobile universal version), it works perfectly with my german voip-account. you can use four different voip-accounts in this tool! currently i am using the version 3 pro. the only mismatch you will have (as with skype too): it only uses the external speaker instead of the phone speaker. but if you use your headset (you should anyway because of the weight of the universal;-)) it works the way it should!
details are here: http://www.xten.com
any questions left? feel free to ask!
cheers, lutz
Thanks for the info - xten will be perfect!
cheers
MS
i am using the xten, it is good.
Hello all Ive just ordered my universal on Orange, for delivery tomorrow, they are giving it to me for free on upgrade.
So now because I often use over my monthly minute allowance and having a few friends around the world I would like to use a VOIP service.
The only one I know of is Skype, as I am fairly new to this type of thing. So can anyone recommed a service that is cheap, easy to use, Universal compatible.
As for call costs I would like a service that is fairly cheap to call both landlines and mobiles. The mobiles would only really be in the UK, if that matters.
Any help is really appreciated. Many Thanks
Hi,
I expect you've seen my post elsewhere asking about voip clients for the Universal. I've lived and breathed voip for the last three months at work so I know something about it...there seems to be three basic kinds of voip services:
1) wholly proprietory services - closed source client and protocols. Skype is the perfect example. Will let 'real' phone users dial you (they call that 'Skype in') on a real phone number, and will let you call 'real' phones (they call that 'Skype out') for a fee. For Skype, there's a client for the Universal (I think, I don't own one yet). Other services - you're probably out of luck.
2) semi-proprietory services - perhaps providing their own client software, but built on open protocols (usually SIP, session initiation protocol), so you get an enhanced experience with their client. Often the client is locked to only talk to their servers. Examples would be Gizmo or Wengo. Could be an option for a Universal user if you find one that works with other clients than their own, AND if there's a generic SIP client that works on WM5 - and according to my thread, Xten's PPC client works ok.
3) standards-based services - client-agnostic, built on open-protocols (again usually SIP). They give you a username and server details, you enter them into your client - be it a PC-based softphone, a pocketpc application, or a piece of hardware such as an ATA (analogue telephone adaptor - let's you plug a physical phone, even a cordless one, into your home network and use it to make VOIP calls).
There's a fair few voip services like this nowadays, either companies who 'only' do that, or voip services as addons to a traditional ISP service - that's the case with my company, PlusNet, which offers a voip service to our broadband customers. You get sip to sip calls free, a free 0845 number to receive calls on, and you can choose from three different ways to pay for outbound calls - either PAYG (buy credit in £5 blocks, use it up as you make calls) or subscription ('Anytime' or 'Evenings and Weekends' - pay a monthly subscription and get a block of minutes to use peak or off-peak respectively). Sorry to sound like I'm advertising, it's just corporate pride - have a look at http://www.plus.net/plustalk to see more.
Hope this is a useful primer for you!
cheers
Matt S
(firmly OFF-DUTY PlusNet employee ;-)
that was discussed today - here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=31799&highlight=
see my answer:
i am using X-Pro Softphone for Pocket PC on my MDA pro (t-mobile universal version), it works perfectly with my german voip-account. you can use four different voip-accounts in this tool! currently i am using the version 3 pro. the only mismatch you will have (as with skype too): it only uses the external speaker instead of the phone speaker. but if you use your headset (you should anyway because of the weight of the universal;-)) it works the way it should!
details are here: http://www.xten.com
any questions left? feel free to ask!
cheers, lutz
Where did you manage to get version 3? - On the website you mentioned below I can only find 2.2 to buy for around 30 USD...
lutzh said:
that was discussed today - here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=31799&highlight=
see my answer:
i am using X-Pro Softphone for Pocket PC on my MDA pro (t-mobile universal version), it works perfectly with my german voip-account. you can use four different voip-accounts in this tool! currently i am using the version 3 pro. the only mismatch you will have (as with skype too): it only uses the external speaker instead of the phone speaker. but if you use your headset (you should anyway because of the weight of the universal;-)) it works the way it should!
details are here: http://www.xten.com
any questions left? feel free to ask!
cheers, lutz
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what if you use a BT headset like the JABRA? will the sound be routed to the the BT headset or to the external speaker?
matzie said:
Hi,
I expect you've seen my post elsewhere asking about voip clients for the Universal. I've lived and breathed voip for the last three months at work so I know something about it...there seems to be three basic kinds of voip services:
1) wholly proprietory services - closed source client and protocols. Skype is the perfect example. Will let 'real' phone users dial you (they call that 'Skype in') on a real phone number, and will let you call 'real' phones (they call that 'Skype out') for a fee. For Skype, there's a client for the Universal (I think, I don't own one yet). Other services - you're probably out of luck.
2) semi-proprietory services - perhaps providing their own client software, but built on open protocols (usually SIP, session initiation protocol), so you get an enhanced experience with their client. Often the client is locked to only talk to their servers. Examples would be Gizmo or Wengo. Could be an option for a Universal user if you find one that works with other clients than their own, AND if there's a generic SIP client that works on WM5 - and according to my thread, Xten's PPC client works ok.
3) standards-based services - client-agnostic, built on open-protocols (again usually SIP). They give you a username and server details, you enter them into your client - be it a PC-based softphone, a pocketpc application, or a piece of hardware such as an ATA (analogue telephone adaptor - let's you plug a physical phone, even a cordless one, into your home network and use it to make VOIP calls).
There's a fair few voip services like this nowadays, either companies who 'only' do that, or voip services as addons to a traditional ISP service - that's the case with my company, PlusNet, which offers a voip service to our broadband customers. You get sip to sip calls free, a free 0845 number to receive calls on, and you can choose from three different ways to pay for outbound calls - either PAYG (buy credit in £5 blocks, use it up as you make calls) or subscription ('Anytime' or 'Evenings and Weekends' - pay a monthly subscription and get a block of minutes to use peak or off-peak respectively). Sorry to sound like I'm advertising, it's just corporate pride - have a look at http://www.plus.net/plustalk to see more.
Hope this is a useful primer for you!
cheers
Matt S
(firmly OFF-DUTY PlusNet employee ;-)
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I use plusnet and love it and use the voip sevice to call landlines (free) from my laptop but I would love to know how to use my vario to do it. I presume I would do it via wifi through the broadband but dont know how. Please tell me if you can - thanks. I do have unlimited gprs but I would assume that I couldnt use plusnet this way as it is not broadband etc.
I'm using SJPhone!
It's for free
http://www.sjlabs.com/sjp.html
Hi, im using woize it is sip program sip = internet telefon.. woize works grate on 9100 if u ar on w-lan, it has 1 bug but is going to be fixst in ner fjutjer http://www.woize.com http://www.woize.com/smartphone.php
Known bugs
There is a problem with the volume on devices with a built-in GSM phone. The application will work but the volume is very loud.
Woize - a SIP based VoIP app now available for MS Smartphone : SmartphoneWoize Beta available now
January 25, 2006 [MS Smartphone]
Contrary to Skype, that is based on proprietary P2P technology (similar to the one in former Napster P2P), Woize is based on de facto industry standard in VoIP (Voice over IP) industry - the SIP.
Interestingly processors of speed 200 MHz that are in all smartphones and some slow Pocket PC devices, can handle SIP well, although they have problems or can't handle Skype at all. Since nowadays more and more MS Smartphone (the small brother of Pocket PC in Windows Mobile family) phones have built-in Wi-Fi, this SIP based Woize program may be a blessing...
Woize is digital telephony made simple. When signing up, you receive your own phone number that can be used from any computer anywhere in the world to call your friends and business partners at incredibly low rates. And they can call you - right to your computer!
SmartphoneWoize allows you to use Woize wherever your phone is connected to a WiFi network. The functionality of the application is similar to the PC and Pocket PC versions of Woize. Get SmartphoneWoize now and start calling other Woize, PocketWoize and SmartphoneWoize users for free!
Similarly like it is in Skype: Internet to Internet voice calls are free and calls to regular phone numbers are available at special rates (not free).
If you have a Pocket PC phone with slow processor (like HTC Wizard or HTC Prophet) you may consider using Woize too - there is a version for Pocket PC available too. Since these slow Pocket PC phones have problems to handle Skype voice calls, Woize may be the solution for you. Pocket PC version of Woize is here.
copy from msmobiles
more info
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/4839.html
Sounds good and looks nice. Have you used it ok KinkyGolab?
V
yess, the onley problem is the bug and it is the onley problem i haw found. u can also send sms from it and i get free sip telefon nummber and if u haw sip box att home u can setup so u can get
ur woize cal to ur SIP/ATA box in sted if ur pda is turn of
im going to get my Qtek 9000 to day so i can test woize on it but im going to test it tomorow
Settings
SIP Server: sip.woize.com
Outbound Proxy: sip.woize.com
SIP User ID: SIP-Username
Password: SIP-Password
For more detailed instructions for your SIP/ATA box please refer to your SIP/ATA box manufactures manual/guides on how configure your box.
vijay555 said:
Sounds good and looks nice. Have you used it ok KinkyGolab?
V
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In fact, Woize is NOT SIP based. The client uses proprietary protocol and Woize has SIP gateway (not too different from Skype). SJLabs, XTEN and Cicero are SIP based clients that do not tie you into a service like Voize, Skype, MSN, Yahoo and AOL do.
All interesting. If the performance is good, and if it is SIP compatible, do we need to worry Finn?
I never use SIP - I'm always much closer to a phone then wifi, but it's good to know in case I'm planning any acts of insurgency :shock:
V
I think is not possible send SMS to any number... only SIP numbers!
Is Not?
KinkyGolab said:
Hi, im using woize it is sip program sip = internet telefon.. woize works grate on 9100 if u ar on w-lan, it has 1 bug but is going to be fixst in ner fjutjer http://www.woize.com http://www.woize.com/smartphone.php
Known bugs
There is a problem with the volume on devices with a built-in GSM phone. The application will work but the volume is very loud.
Woize - a SIP based VoIP app now available for MS Smartphone : SmartphoneWoize Beta available now
January 25, 2006 [MS Smartphone]
Contrary to Skype, that is based on proprietary P2P technology (similar to the one in former Napster P2P), Woize is based on de facto industry standard in VoIP (Voice over IP) industry - the SIP.
Interestingly processors of speed 200 MHz that are in all smartphones and some slow Pocket PC devices, can handle SIP well, although they have problems or can't handle Skype at all. Since nowadays more and more MS Smartphone (the small brother of Pocket PC in Windows Mobile family) phones have built-in Wi-Fi, this SIP based Woize program may be a blessing...
Woize is digital telephony made simple. When signing up, you receive your own phone number that can be used from any computer anywhere in the world to call your friends and business partners at incredibly low rates. And they can call you - right to your computer!
SmartphoneWoize allows you to use Woize wherever your phone is connected to a WiFi network. The functionality of the application is similar to the PC and Pocket PC versions of Woize. Get SmartphoneWoize now and start calling other Woize, PocketWoize and SmartphoneWoize users for free!
Similarly like it is in Skype: Internet to Internet voice calls are free and calls to regular phone numbers are available at special rates (not free).
If you have a Pocket PC phone with slow processor (like HTC Wizard or HTC Prophet) you may consider using Woize too - there is a version for Pocket PC available too. Since these slow Pocket PC phones have problems to handle Skype voice calls, Woize may be the solution for you. Pocket PC version of Woize is here.
copy from msmobiles
more info
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/4839.html
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nice, thanks for pointing it out!
Hi,
Anyone knows any free VOIP softphone for O2 Exec which allows to configure to use third-party SIP providers (e.g. sipdiscount, sipgate etc.) ?
Thanks!
SV
use skype
Sorry, I meant to configure with SIP protocol.
sjphone, works fine
With SJPhone, at the moment, when calling, you have to use loud speakers or headset not the phone speaker. Is it right?
Thanks!
That happens with any phone edition device.. Apps don't have access to the other speakers...
Re Sip
I have tried many. However most free products are generic to a provider,
Successful products are:
Xten lite from xten Networks
SJ Phone this is the best and is easily configured to multiple profiles.
It intergrates nicely with our office Sip server too,
Regards
DW
Re Sip
I have tried many. However most free products are generic to a provider,
Successful products are:
Xten lite from xten Networks
SJ Phone this is the best and is easily configured to multiple profiles.
It intergrates nicely with our office Sip server too,
Regards
DW
svkhtn said:
Sorry, I meant to configure with SIP protocol.
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May I know what is SIP protocol?
Is it different with Skype protocol? Is SIP protocol is a standard one?
Thx.
Regards,
Arto.
Artosoft said:
May I know what is SIP protocol?
Is it different with Skype protocol? Is SIP protocol is a standard one?
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SIP is a standard - most VOIP application and hardware uses it.
I meen: SIP RFC 3261
Skype is a own protocol and only skype clients can connect each other using skype soft phone or by skype gateway.
I guess that the source is not public.
I use AGEphone.
http://www.ageet.com/us/
It is not Free.
But, maybe best.
Files are light, but works very well.
the sound is very clear.
We can use SIPdiscount, VoipBuster, VoipStunt, StanaPhone, SIPphone, Free World DialUp, Agilephone, etc all at the same time.
I installed SJPhone and could get connected. I could dial my cell phone number and it will ring my cell phone.
But there is no sound whatsoever in my Universal/JJ.
Can anybody help me? Did I miss something? I tried to plug in my headset but no luck as well.
Thanks.
Also, may I know which version of SJPhone you guys use?
Can you send the link for the download? I can only find the one for 2003SE and 2003, nothing for WM5.
Since I didn't see a follow-up post by anyone, I'd like to say that the SJPhone for Windows 2003 SE works with the universal *only in portrait mode*.
Has anyone [other than shamilsh] tried the ageet soft phone suggested in this thread?
Does Skype work over GPRS or just 3G?
Regards.
Just for text messages, skype is ok with GRPS - but for voice you need 3G oder WLAN.
Hi
Any sip cliente for wm5 that have G.729 (8 kbps) or G.723 (5.3 & 6.3 kbps codecs ?
sj phone only 711 or their own gsm....
Owl said:
Just for text messages, skype is ok with GRPS - but for voice you need 3G oder WLAN.
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Is that need 3G as in would be slow, or need as in can't do it...
Just that GPRS is free for the T-Mobile plan I'm using, but think I have to pay for 3G (Relax + Web & Walk thing)
are there any programs that allow routing of the sound to phone speakers instead of main speakers?
Guys....just use sj phone with sip service from voipbuster.com and forget the rest.... and now you are talking....FREE and with free local rate call back number also...now...that ROCKS :twisted:
BR
My first post in this outstanding forum
I've spent quite some time looking for programs able to run my SIP VoIP desktop client on Tynt. On WinXP I use X-Lite with VoIPDiscount and I know for sure it's possible to configure X-Lite with many other SIP based services like VoIP Stunt.
Is there a tested client for Tynt? All I've found was for PPC2003 and I got errors all over. Ideal'd be a client working with both UMTS and WiFi, but WiFi would suffice completely.
On the other hand, Skype works flowlessly
I use SJPhone:
http://www.sjphone.org/preview/ce/
You need to adjust settings to make it work correctly, also audio is a lot better with the USB headset, see this thread for right settings:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=59131
You can also use x-lite CE 1.01, find it here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=58154
SJPhone all the way here too. It also works as a Vonage Softphone!
thanks guys. I saw SJphone but somehow I didn't manage access to the beta page.
I'll let you know
If your provider supports IAX protocol (which is much better while on hostile firewalled networks) my choice is http://www.voipsurfer.net/
My sincere thanks, guys I'm gonna try them all. At this point I created correctly the profile with SJPhone; the same profile works great with the windows client (after creating the profile I copied it to my desktop and the XP client accepted the profile like it was its own). After applying the profile the PDA client asks for id & pw, but I cannot register. Explorer is online so I know the internet connection is fine. I think I need some working yet.
I have managed to instal the pocketpc version of xlite and it works ok from the point of view of me trying to ring my home phone, it connecting and disconnecting ok and it registering as a broadband phone call through my isp when I check my online records.
The sound quality on the device is unusable.
When I use the supplied mini usb headphones I can hear the person I am calling very clearly but they can not hear me properly.
Can someone talk me through anything I can do to improve the settings so that I have a chance of using my device for voip calls whilst at home. I am not in the realms of anything to techincal though.