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Non-Skype VOIP client that works on Universal

Hi, I'm looking for a VOIP client that can run on the Universal, that isn't Skype. It needs to be a standard SIP client. There's loads of these of earlier versions but none mention WM5 compatibility. Has anyone tried anything like the PPC xten client on a Universal?
(In answer to 'why not skype', I work for an ISP that provides a VOIP service over the SIP standard. I get a bunch of free PSTN breakout call minutes. Since I'm in wifi range for 95% of my day, I want to use voip over wifi on a Universal for most of my voice comms)
TIA
Matt S.

have you tried http://www.sjlabs.com/sjp.html
recently updated for 2003 and 2003se but may work for wm5.

No, I don't have a Universal yet, and I don't know anyone with one, or any other WM5 device, unfortunately.
If there's no Universal-compatible SIP softphone, I might not get a Universal at all. But the techno-lust is growing stronger every day, so I'll probably just use skype until Xten or someone else makes their client work on WM5.
For that matter, I might even write one myself - not that I know much about PPC development!... (quick google later)... just discovered that the state of Python for PPC is pretty abysmal. I guess .NET is the way to go. Oh joy.
Matt S.

i am using X-Pro Softphone for Pocket PC on my mda pro (t-mobile universal version), it works perfectly with my german voip-account. you can use four different voip-accounts in this tool! currently i am using the version 3 pro. the only mismatch you will have (as with skype too): it only uses the external speaker instead of the phone speaker. but if you use your headset (you should anyway because of the weight of the universal;-)) it works the way it should!
details are here: http://www.xten.com
any questions left? feel free to ask!
cheers, lutz

Thanks for the info - xten will be perfect!
cheers
MS

i am using the xten, it is good.

VOIP For the Universal

Hello all Ive just ordered my universal on Orange, for delivery tomorrow, they are giving it to me for free on upgrade.
So now because I often use over my monthly minute allowance and having a few friends around the world I would like to use a VOIP service.
The only one I know of is Skype, as I am fairly new to this type of thing. So can anyone recommed a service that is cheap, easy to use, Universal compatible.
As for call costs I would like a service that is fairly cheap to call both landlines and mobiles. The mobiles would only really be in the UK, if that matters.
Any help is really appreciated. Many Thanks

Hi,
I expect you've seen my post elsewhere asking about voip clients for the Universal. I've lived and breathed voip for the last three months at work so I know something about it...there seems to be three basic kinds of voip services:
1) wholly proprietory services - closed source client and protocols. Skype is the perfect example. Will let 'real' phone users dial you (they call that 'Skype in') on a real phone number, and will let you call 'real' phones (they call that 'Skype out') for a fee. For Skype, there's a client for the Universal (I think, I don't own one yet). Other services - you're probably out of luck.
2) semi-proprietory services - perhaps providing their own client software, but built on open protocols (usually SIP, session initiation protocol), so you get an enhanced experience with their client. Often the client is locked to only talk to their servers. Examples would be Gizmo or Wengo. Could be an option for a Universal user if you find one that works with other clients than their own, AND if there's a generic SIP client that works on WM5 - and according to my thread, Xten's PPC client works ok.
3) standards-based services - client-agnostic, built on open-protocols (again usually SIP). They give you a username and server details, you enter them into your client - be it a PC-based softphone, a pocketpc application, or a piece of hardware such as an ATA (analogue telephone adaptor - let's you plug a physical phone, even a cordless one, into your home network and use it to make VOIP calls).
There's a fair few voip services like this nowadays, either companies who 'only' do that, or voip services as addons to a traditional ISP service - that's the case with my company, PlusNet, which offers a voip service to our broadband customers. You get sip to sip calls free, a free 0845 number to receive calls on, and you can choose from three different ways to pay for outbound calls - either PAYG (buy credit in £5 blocks, use it up as you make calls) or subscription ('Anytime' or 'Evenings and Weekends' - pay a monthly subscription and get a block of minutes to use peak or off-peak respectively). Sorry to sound like I'm advertising, it's just corporate pride - have a look at http://www.plus.net/plustalk to see more.
Hope this is a useful primer for you!
cheers
Matt S
(firmly OFF-DUTY PlusNet employee ;-)

that was discussed today - here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=31799&highlight=
see my answer:
i am using X-Pro Softphone for Pocket PC on my MDA pro (t-mobile universal version), it works perfectly with my german voip-account. you can use four different voip-accounts in this tool! currently i am using the version 3 pro. the only mismatch you will have (as with skype too): it only uses the external speaker instead of the phone speaker. but if you use your headset (you should anyway because of the weight of the universal;-)) it works the way it should!
details are here: http://www.xten.com
any questions left? feel free to ask!
cheers, lutz

Where did you manage to get version 3? - On the website you mentioned below I can only find 2.2 to buy for around 30 USD...

lutzh said:
that was discussed today - here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=31799&highlight=
see my answer:
i am using X-Pro Softphone for Pocket PC on my MDA pro (t-mobile universal version), it works perfectly with my german voip-account. you can use four different voip-accounts in this tool! currently i am using the version 3 pro. the only mismatch you will have (as with skype too): it only uses the external speaker instead of the phone speaker. but if you use your headset (you should anyway because of the weight of the universal;-)) it works the way it should!
details are here: http://www.xten.com
any questions left? feel free to ask!
cheers, lutz
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what if you use a BT headset like the JABRA? will the sound be routed to the the BT headset or to the external speaker?

matzie said:
Hi,
I expect you've seen my post elsewhere asking about voip clients for the Universal. I've lived and breathed voip for the last three months at work so I know something about it...there seems to be three basic kinds of voip services:
1) wholly proprietory services - closed source client and protocols. Skype is the perfect example. Will let 'real' phone users dial you (they call that 'Skype in') on a real phone number, and will let you call 'real' phones (they call that 'Skype out') for a fee. For Skype, there's a client for the Universal (I think, I don't own one yet). Other services - you're probably out of luck.
2) semi-proprietory services - perhaps providing their own client software, but built on open protocols (usually SIP, session initiation protocol), so you get an enhanced experience with their client. Often the client is locked to only talk to their servers. Examples would be Gizmo or Wengo. Could be an option for a Universal user if you find one that works with other clients than their own, AND if there's a generic SIP client that works on WM5 - and according to my thread, Xten's PPC client works ok.
3) standards-based services - client-agnostic, built on open-protocols (again usually SIP). They give you a username and server details, you enter them into your client - be it a PC-based softphone, a pocketpc application, or a piece of hardware such as an ATA (analogue telephone adaptor - let's you plug a physical phone, even a cordless one, into your home network and use it to make VOIP calls).
There's a fair few voip services like this nowadays, either companies who 'only' do that, or voip services as addons to a traditional ISP service - that's the case with my company, PlusNet, which offers a voip service to our broadband customers. You get sip to sip calls free, a free 0845 number to receive calls on, and you can choose from three different ways to pay for outbound calls - either PAYG (buy credit in £5 blocks, use it up as you make calls) or subscription ('Anytime' or 'Evenings and Weekends' - pay a monthly subscription and get a block of minutes to use peak or off-peak respectively). Sorry to sound like I'm advertising, it's just corporate pride - have a look at http://www.plus.net/plustalk to see more.
Hope this is a useful primer for you!
cheers
Matt S
(firmly OFF-DUTY PlusNet employee ;-)
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I use plusnet and love it and use the voip sevice to call landlines (free) from my laptop but I would love to know how to use my vario to do it. I presume I would do it via wifi through the broadband but dont know how. Please tell me if you can - thanks. I do have unlimited gprs but I would assume that I couldnt use plusnet this way as it is not broadband etc.

I'm using SJPhone!
It's for free
http://www.sjlabs.com/sjp.html

Magician as bluetooth headset for voip?

Hi!
Anybody here who knows how to configure the magician, that it can be used as headset device? Which stack is needed, is it even possible?
Thanks!
c ya
Reflex

ReflexNPG said:
Hi!
Anybody here who knows how to configure the magician, that it can be used as headset device? Which stack is needed, is it even possible?
Thanks!
c ya
Reflex
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Maybe just install Skype for PocketPC on youl PPC, and you are ready to go.
Regards,
Arto.

thanks for the tip, but i use Voipbuster.
It would be easier to just transfer the audio between PC and Magician and i can use any voip software i want on the PC...

I think that at least the MS Stack doesn't provide the headset profile as outgoing BT profile. Maybe other stacks do, I'm not sure. Ask in the Bluesoleil thread.

ReflexNPG said:
thanks for the tip, but i use Voipbuster.
It would be easier to just transfer the audio between PC and Magician and i can use any voip software i want on the PC...
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OT a bit....
We should have the standard protocol for VOIP. If this happend, any VOIP software can connect each other without need of same software/protocol.
Imagine if I can use Skype to call to "Yahoo Messenger with Voice" or Voipbuster.....
Just like normal phone (or handphone), Nokia can call O2......
Today, I need to install both Skype and Yahoo Messenger with Voice because they are not compatible :evil:
Regards,
Arto.

There is such a standard called SIP, but Yahoo and Skype aren't using it. For SIP, you can use a softphone like X-Ten. Often, calls from SIP to SIP provider are for free.

Dandie said:
There is such a standard called SIP, but Yahoo and Skype aren't using it. For SIP, you can use a softphone like X-Ten. Often, calls from SIP to SIP provider are for free.
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If Yahoo and Skype doesn't want to use this SIP standard, the SIP standard will maybe become another standard add to Yahoo and Skype standard :roll: .
Just curius, did MSN messenger come to VOIP area too? If so, then #%$&!* to another MS$ standard!
Regards,
Arto.

The most common (and maybe only?) standard for VoIP is SIP. Only for the SIP protocol, you can find Wifi phones and analog to SIP adapters which can be used independently from a running computer. That's what makes them so interesting because they can really substitute a normal phone. I myself use this as telephone replacement and it works perfectly. My provider is Sipgate and I have a normal phone number at home, to which I have connected a standard DECT portable through a SIP adapter (Grandstream audio tone). No phone line anymore, only internet (DSL - also cable works).

i recomend woize Sip program it works grate on Qtek 9100

Hi, im using woize it is sip program sip = internet telefon.. woize works grate on 9100 if u ar on w-lan, it has 1 bug but is going to be fixst in ner fjutjer http://www.woize.com http://www.woize.com/smartphone.php
Known bugs
There is a problem with the volume on devices with a built-in GSM phone. The application will work but the volume is very loud.
Woize - a SIP based VoIP app now available for MS Smartphone : SmartphoneWoize Beta available now
January 25, 2006 [MS Smartphone]
Contrary to Skype, that is based on proprietary P2P technology (similar to the one in former Napster P2P), Woize is based on de facto industry standard in VoIP (Voice over IP) industry - the SIP.
Interestingly processors of speed 200 MHz that are in all smartphones and some slow Pocket PC devices, can handle SIP well, although they have problems or can't handle Skype at all. Since nowadays more and more MS Smartphone (the small brother of Pocket PC in Windows Mobile family) phones have built-in Wi-Fi, this SIP based Woize program may be a blessing...
Woize is digital telephony made simple. When signing up, you receive your own phone number that can be used from any computer anywhere in the world to call your friends and business partners at incredibly low rates. And they can call you - right to your computer!
SmartphoneWoize allows you to use Woize wherever your phone is connected to a WiFi network. The functionality of the application is similar to the PC and Pocket PC versions of Woize. Get SmartphoneWoize now and start calling other Woize, PocketWoize and SmartphoneWoize users for free!
Similarly like it is in Skype: Internet to Internet voice calls are free and calls to regular phone numbers are available at special rates (not free).
If you have a Pocket PC phone with slow processor (like HTC Wizard or HTC Prophet) you may consider using Woize too - there is a version for Pocket PC available too. Since these slow Pocket PC phones have problems to handle Skype voice calls, Woize may be the solution for you. Pocket PC version of Woize is here.
copy from msmobiles
more info
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/4839.html

Sounds good and looks nice. Have you used it ok KinkyGolab?
V

yess, the onley problem is the bug and it is the onley problem i haw found. u can also send sms from it and i get free sip telefon nummber and if u haw sip box att home u can setup so u can get
ur woize cal to ur SIP/ATA box in sted if ur pda is turn of
im going to get my Qtek 9000 to day so i can test woize on it but im going to test it tomorow
Settings
SIP Server: sip.woize.com
Outbound Proxy: sip.woize.com
SIP User ID: SIP-Username
Password: SIP-Password
For more detailed instructions for your SIP/ATA box please refer to your SIP/ATA box manufactures manual/guides on how configure your box.
vijay555 said:
Sounds good and looks nice. Have you used it ok KinkyGolab?
V
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In fact, Woize is NOT SIP based. The client uses proprietary protocol and Woize has SIP gateway (not too different from Skype). SJLabs, XTEN and Cicero are SIP based clients that do not tie you into a service like Voize, Skype, MSN, Yahoo and AOL do.

All interesting. If the performance is good, and if it is SIP compatible, do we need to worry Finn?
I never use SIP - I'm always much closer to a phone then wifi, but it's good to know in case I'm planning any acts of insurgency :shock:
V

I think is not possible send SMS to any number... only SIP numbers!
Is Not?

KinkyGolab said:
Hi, im using woize it is sip program sip = internet telefon.. woize works grate on 9100 if u ar on w-lan, it has 1 bug but is going to be fixst in ner fjutjer http://www.woize.com http://www.woize.com/smartphone.php
Known bugs
There is a problem with the volume on devices with a built-in GSM phone. The application will work but the volume is very loud.
Woize - a SIP based VoIP app now available for MS Smartphone : SmartphoneWoize Beta available now
January 25, 2006 [MS Smartphone]
Contrary to Skype, that is based on proprietary P2P technology (similar to the one in former Napster P2P), Woize is based on de facto industry standard in VoIP (Voice over IP) industry - the SIP.
Interestingly processors of speed 200 MHz that are in all smartphones and some slow Pocket PC devices, can handle SIP well, although they have problems or can't handle Skype at all. Since nowadays more and more MS Smartphone (the small brother of Pocket PC in Windows Mobile family) phones have built-in Wi-Fi, this SIP based Woize program may be a blessing...
Woize is digital telephony made simple. When signing up, you receive your own phone number that can be used from any computer anywhere in the world to call your friends and business partners at incredibly low rates. And they can call you - right to your computer!
SmartphoneWoize allows you to use Woize wherever your phone is connected to a WiFi network. The functionality of the application is similar to the PC and Pocket PC versions of Woize. Get SmartphoneWoize now and start calling other Woize, PocketWoize and SmartphoneWoize users for free!
Similarly like it is in Skype: Internet to Internet voice calls are free and calls to regular phone numbers are available at special rates (not free).
If you have a Pocket PC phone with slow processor (like HTC Wizard or HTC Prophet) you may consider using Woize too - there is a version for Pocket PC available too. Since these slow Pocket PC phones have problems to handle Skype voice calls, Woize may be the solution for you. Pocket PC version of Woize is here.
copy from msmobiles
more info
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/4839.html
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nice, thanks for pointing it out!

VoIP Compatible Dialer ( SIP ) with TyTn?

Hello,
I've been using the TyTn for a few months now and I still haven't found a good quality SIP compatible Dialer...
Of course i've tried all the well known voip applications ( SJPhone, Skype and even Bewip etc. ) but none of them come close to a good replacement of the default TyTn dialer.
Actually I though bewip would do the trick as it integrates well with the contacts but quality sucks, I have to use the headset to have acceptable quality call...
I just wanted to know if any of you were using their TyTn as a VoIP device over WiFi and been satified with their software...
Thanks

Not SIP, bux IAX...I travel a lot and use VoIP in airport lounges etc. SIP usually does not get me through the local firewall. IAX protocol is much better and smarter in that regard, so I would recommend you to look at it if you like: http://www.voipsurfer.net/, around 25 euros and a simple interface.

use sjphone, is free and it use the stunt server!!!Free phone for all home number!!!

5n0rk said:
use sjphone, is free and it use the stunt server!!!Free phone for all home number!!!
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Can u tell me ur Sjphone settings? I got an account with VoipBuster for SJPhone but when i try it 2 use it in my TYTN, I always get a registratio error message... Thank you!

Usually when the internet access is "locked" I redirect all the trafic through an openvpn server that runs on port 443...
The problems with voipsurfer and SJPhone is that they aren't replacement dialers. You don't have access to the Phonebook. If you want a good quality call, you absolutely need a headset ( you can't use them as a phone ).
I just wonder why there is no such software on the Windows Mobile plateform : The lateste nokia/sony-erricson etc. handset features well integrated VoIP solutions...

jinkazama007 said:
Usually when the internet access is "locked" I redirect all the trafic through an openvpn server that runs on port 443...
The problems with voipsurfer and SJPhone is that they aren't replacement dialers. You don't have access to the Phonebook. If you want a good quality call, you absolutely need a headset ( you can't use them as a phone ).
I just wonder why there is no such software on the Windows Mobile plateform : The lateste nokia/sony-erricson etc. handset features well integrated VoIP solutions...
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Anyone know of voip software that works with a bluetooth headset and mic (R35), as my wired headset is broken (I don't like it anyway as the buds are too big for my ears), and SJPhone doesn't seem to work with it (I hear no sound, nobody hears me).

AGEPHONE
it was an never ending story for me untill i found agephone. http://www.ageet.com/us/agephone/index.htm
you can try it with - there is a shareware version with that you can do calls for one minute, so you are able to check out the bluetooth compability.
STUN Support is given here too!

apokryphus said:
it was an never ending story for me untill i found agephone. http://www.ageet.com/us/agephone/index.htm
you can try it with - there is a shareware version with that you can do calls for one minute, so you are able to check out the bluetooth compability.
STUN Support is given here too!
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I would appreciate it if you could help me with configuration settings for free world dialup, or point me to comprehensive documentation. I have completely failed to make the correct settings using the support settings on the ageet site, also from the fwd help. The problem is that I don't understand which information to add in the configuration screens, as the labels to the forms are unfamiliar to me and do not seem to equate to the account and server information which fwd provide.
I would like to use STUN.
Any help you can provide would be appreciated.

No SJPhone client for WM5?
I couldn't find the WM5 SJPhone client on their site.
Only for PPC2003.
Anybody can tell me where it does reside?
Thanks,
Arnie

Checkout the WM5 version under this URL
http://www.sjphone.org/preview/SJphone-1.60-WindowsCE(preview)/

thanks.. however
Thanks
Found it.. however...
It doesn't work through my Draytek NAT.
Skype does work flawlessly.
Will try again when my new router arrives.
Might work better.
Thanks!
Arnie

One last call before abandonning.
I have very few of the problems most people associate with the tytn. No screen issues, no problems with skipping under a2dp, nada.
apart from one....
I cannot find a functional voip program using either the handset mic and speaker, or a bluetooth headset. I cannot use the wired headset.
Somebody recommended agephone but I am completely unable to configure the phone to owrk with free world dialup.
Can anybody recommend a suitable solution, or help me configure agephone?

I am using SJPhone gladly with success.
I just would like to have video support.
Any SIP client with video support ?

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...5E-5F3B-47D2-955B-B0C1DEAC94D8&displaylang=en

thank you.
Microsoft Office Communicator Mobile may be a good choice, but I think it only runs with an LCS server which I don't have.
Do you know if it works with generic SIP server/proxy ?

mrmrmrmr said:
I am using SJPhone gladly with success.
I just would like to have video support.
Any SIP client with video support ?
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Without the wired headset? It doesn't work even close to acceptably with the speaker and mic, for me, and I can't get it to work at all with a bluetooth headset.

hi trentend,
SJphone works with my mono bluetooth headset if I use the patch supplied by cybertron at following thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=278778
try it...
now, I only need video support. real video SIP support.

I tried Wengophone before worked good with my S200 now that i've got an vario II i'm gonna try and look if it's still as good.
Go to wengophone.com and look under download tab.
think this is one of the better ones.

works great
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=596682 . d