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Easiest way of accessing the net via home adsl with xdaII?

From another thread... i've just been told xdaII doesn't have Wi-fi as i first presumed.
Can someone suggest the best way to access the net through my home adsl router? Would bluetooth be my best bet?
Can you recommend specifically which equipment will work... since there are so many issues at the moment as to what works and what doesn't.
Thanks!!
Fais

put i-mate in usb cradle, hook up cradle to PC. i-mate uses PC's network connection.
Outside of that you'll either be springing for a usb/bt dongle (which I haven't seen any posts of anyone using) or a WiFi SD card. Can't think of any other options off the top of my head.

As you have mentioned earlier, you have already wired up your whole home with wif-, and presumably have a wi-fi access point.
The best route would thereofre be to add a wi-fi card to your xda2, such as the Socket Wireless LAN (WiFi) SD Card. This will give you better speeds than bluetooth, and you will not have to worry about profiles etc.
Just my 2c
Surur

I use a Belkin USB bluetooth dongle, and using the ActiveSync passthrough you can then browse the web on the XDA within the range of the dongle. You can get dongles with a 100m range, which should be plenty within a house.
Only trouble is, being ActiveSync, it it pot luck whether you can establish a link or not. Once you've established the link, it works quite well, though not flawlessly. It's also quite slow. Not as slow as GPRS, but not exactly snappy either. I don't know whether this is down to PIE, the bluetooth, or the ActiveSync. Most likely the latter.
Ideally, you'd use a bluetooth access point, but I'm not sure the XDA will work with that due to the absence of an appropriate protocol.

Thanks for the replies... I know what you mean onepieceman... activesync if driving me crazing
Wi-fi seems my best bet since usb seems to be incredibly slow at downlaoding a page.... thanks for the recommendations surur and graah.

don use WiFi at home! use BT
I've got both BT dongle and WiFi sdio setup at home.
The BT is actually to a notebook which is WiFi'd to my ADSL to inet...
The WiFi is faster, but:
1. the BT actually gave me better range! (I got the 100m one from Belkin)
2. the WiFi is a pig ( P I G ) on the battery.
3. the WiFi takes up my SD porn-movies slot
if you setup activesync to only do the sync MANUALLY (you have to
tell it both on the PC and on the XDA to sync manually) then
establishing BT pass-thru is much easier/faster
The internet is kinda slow on the XDA, I think probably because
MS's pocket IE is just bad. I don't think the TCP/IP works correctly
or that it opens enough connections in parallel to get the GIF's
and stuff. The network/BT/WiFi and the hardware (128Mb/400Mhz)
is much faster than what IE/Microsoft gives us.
But what do you expect from the 640Kb is enough company, that
did it again with 32 ****ing processes?!

There is also the option of XDA CF jacket

Re: don use WiFi at home! use BT
mgolanlan said:
The internet is kinda slow on the XDA, I think probably because
MS's pocket IE is just bad. I don't think the TCP/IP works correctly
or that it opens enough connections in parallel to get the GIF's
and stuff. The network/BT/WiFi and the hardware (128Mb/400Mhz)
is much faster than what IE/Microsoft gives us.
But what do you expect from the 640Kb is enough company, that
did it again with 32 ****ing processes?!
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thanks mgolanlan... does this mean the net speed is going to be on par with the usb speed? - usb was incredibly slow ... if so i may as well not bother with net access all together

usb1.1 is 12Mb /sec
if your ADSL is faster then that you are pretty lucky

Widcom stack bonus! Wireless Networking(OT- not GPS related)

Hi all,
I've been following the Widcom port across to the XDA-II, not because I want to attach a GPS, but because of the much expanded feature set.
I installed the BluetoothGPS.zip file, then activated all the new services offered by the phone.
I have a Belkin F8T001 USB Adapter in my broadband PC. I want to use BT to surf the net from the XDA without paying O2. Trouble is, my Belkin doesn't provide an Activesync Profile, so it can't be done. Until now, that is.
Belkin USB adapters offer a 'Network Access' service. The Widcom stack now allows the XDA to wireless network with my PC, map drives with Resco Explorer, surf the net without the bother of Activesync, oh, and Activesync over BT Wireless LAN if you like. The PC acts very much like a WiFi access point.
Another excellent bonus is the ability to browse the PDA with the BT 'File Transfer' Service. This is easier than browsing through Activesync, as you can open picture files directly without having to transfer them to the PC first.
Nice one guys, well done!
Steve Head

And where can I download these drivers ?

Sounds like a solution. Where???? :lol:

Here:
ftp://dgmatic.com/XDA2/BluetoothGPS/
Login: xda
Pass: xda

is there a current url for an up to date version of the widcomm stack which can be directly installed?

PAN vs LAP Bluetooth Profile on XDA / iMate
G'day All,
Thanks for the post on Net access - It's not as easy as it looks (having spent AGES getting iPAQs working with Bluetooth Dongles (BTW: You DO need 1.3.2.7 of the Widcomm Stack on XP to make PAN connections work!!!
My question is:
Has anyone managed to work out how to get PAN or LAP Network Bluetooth access going on an XDA II??
I can easily get a PAN network access connection going on an iPAQ 5550 (with the identical Widcomm stack version) - On the XDA II with the Widcomm stack installed, it defaults to a LAP profile... (Using BT Null Modem). I can't get this method working with internet access.
If I connect XP to the iMate, then the PAN driver is used on the PDA - BUT I can't get any traffic through (this is the same on the iPaq and the iMate).
Anyone got any clues / hints for me, please?!?! (ROM versions etc are latest).
Cheers.
Andrew

Re: PAN vs LAP Bluetooth Profile on XDA / iMate
acurtis007 said:
G'day All,
If I connect XP to the iMate, then the PAN driver is used on the PDA - BUT I can't get any traffic through (this is the same on the iPaq and the iMate).
Anyone got any clues / hints for me, please?!?! (ROM versions etc are latest).
Cheers.
Andrew
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Hi,
I'd same the problem, but since I enabled service Personal Network Sever, then at PC side connect to Xda II, it's working, I can ping from / to Xda II.
(enable service by start > setting > bluetooth > from File Transfer to Personal Network Server, I checked them all)
But it's problem to connect via Xda II to PC, then I restarted PC and PPC and make new shortcut of PC Network Access.
Now it's working I can use Resco file explorer to map driver of PC share folder and get access to file. But it's seem unstable because it's hang sometime.
ps: Thank so much to the great person who made bluetoothgps.zip.
cairo31male said:
Here:
ftp://dgmatic.com/XDA2/BluetoothGPS/
Login: xda
Pass: xda
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I could not login. Thanks anyway.

bluetooth zip file not available anymore
I tried the url, but is is not responding anymore with ftp and the username and password. Has anyone it for me??

I'd very much like to get hold of this file as well, same problem - user/pass doesn't work anymore.

Probably don't need another "me too" but I have been searching for this stack high and low! Please let us know where we can get it!
Immense thanks!

I have BluetoothGPS.zip (about 2Megs zipped) give me somewhere to upload it & i will.

That's a shame, it used to be on ftp://hydrosphere:[email protected]/ but it's gone now. I've obviously got it, but I'm damned if I'm hosting it as it's 'unlicenced software'.
Any suggestions?
As acurtis007 pointed out, it's not easy to do this even on the correct PDA. If you do get hold of the Widcom stack, you need to understand networking and a little voodoo to surf the net.
One advantage is that the BT Dongle in your PC becomes like an access point. You no longer have to set up an Activesync Partnership, so a PC can be logged in as anybody, and any PDA(s) can surf.
Here's the way to get Surfing over BT using proper IP NAT:
Your XP PC
Your installed BT Dongle should offer a Local Service called 'Network Access'. This should be started automatically, and creates a 'Bluetooth LAN Access Server' interface in your Network Connections. This is the important bit: Activate 'Internet Connection Sharing' on your LAN Card. Select the Bluetooth LAN Adapter as the Interface you want to share with. If you don't have a LAN card, then share whatever interface connects to the Internet.
If your LAN Card already has an ip address that starts with 192.168.0. then you're out of luck. You'll have to change the entire setup of your LAN to another Subnet. I chose 192.168.50.x, which is fine.
If you have correctly activated ICS, your BT LAN Interface will have the IP address 192.168.0.1, and your Internet device will have a hand under it's Icon.
You're XP PC is now ready to accept Bluetooth surfers - both of the Internet and your LAN.
The XDA-II
Bung in the Widcom Stack
Run the Lovely new Bluetooth Connection Wizard and Explore. You'll see a PC icon appear, tap it. You should be offered a range of services, depending on what make of BT Dongle you have. Select 'Network Access'. A Shortcut appears. Hold the stylus down on the Icon, and select Connect from the pop-up. You will have to do the PIN thing as you connect the 2 devices. The XDA's Bluetooth Null Modem then connects to the PC, and hello broadband.
The stack is very stable. I've been using it for 2 weeks now every day for both surfing and file transfers.
It's not perfect - beware
This is a hack, and therefore does not operate entirely correctly:
You will ALWAYS get an error message when first initialising the new stack. I'm used to it: Start Bluetooth - it fails; Start Bluetooth again - it runs. This happens every time, and I just live with it. Once it's up, I can surf till the battery dies.
You will need to reset your XDA-II's Connection Settings (Advanced - Select Networks) back to 'My ISP' where it says 'Programs that....Internet..'
Others on this forum have reported that the XDA's sound gets disabled when you uninstall the Widcom cab file. I haven't had cause to do this as I'm 100% keeping it. This is the advice I've seen posted:
"Uninstalling Widcom Stack
If you have the Widcom stack go to the WIDCOM BT-manager Audio gateway tab and Disable this before uninstalling. Sound should then remain actve."
So there you go - it works a treat.
Steve Head

If you want a bit of fun, try this:
Get yer Widcom network access up 'n' running
Put a TV Tuner Card into the PC with the BT Dongle attached, and hook up your Sky Box to the TV Card.
Download the free 'Microsoft Media Encoder'
Using Media Encoder, Run a Live Broadcast, and select 'Pocket PC Widescreen' as the target audience. Your Sky Box output (or whatever) is now being converted into a TCP/IP Stream at the sort of data rate your XDA can handle.
To watch Sky on your XDA all round the house, run Media Player on your XDA and enter the url http://192.168.0.1:80 (assuming you're connected via BT). You can also do this with a Webcam, and remotely monitor it full screen on your PDA.
Steve Head

sorry i forgot i could just attached it
Enjoy

It works
@ArcticCat
Thank you! (I nearly was loosing hope!)
1000 kisses, beers or whatever...
Pauline

Thanks I could kiss you all.
now for the winge.
As the XDA connects to the LAN over a BT null modem. It seems to be quite slow.
Is this due to the settings of the modem restricted to 11500 baud rate limit for the hardware?
Whilst i am at it. let me throw this in the works.
The XDAII connects via BT to a PC on the network. I can browse the network from the PC. But i can only browse the files on the PC that i am directly connected to via BT from the XDA as well as access the internet. Is this normal?
IP address is 192.168.0.1 on BT adapter. The LAN connection of the PC is 192.168.11.5 ( auto ip).
all other PCs on the network are in the 192.168.11.x range.
Any suggestions?
Cheers
Oorbz

As the XDA connects to the LAN over a BT null modem. It seems to be quite slow.
Is this due to the settings of the modem restricted to 11500 baud rate limit for the hardware?
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I found out that the speed networking over BT is slower than expected. Any others having problems for repaly MP3s on their XDA. I think the max speed over BT is 1MBit. Whith all protocol things you schould get min 500kBit. But I have problems playing MP3s with mor than 192kBit, The XDE "feels" very slow. - any ideas?
But i can only browse the files on the PC that i am directly connected to via BT from the XDA as well as access the internet.
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Oorbz: To conect to your home LAN you need to set up a Networking bridge (Because your network is devided in 2 segments). Using windows xp its included. Mark both network adapter and choose "Network bridge". After that you only configure the bridge and both networks are conected under one subnet mask. Sometimes BT-Adapters are not fully compatible with the network bridge. Then you need to do 2 little steps:
On the console type in:
Code:
netsh bridge show adapter
then type in
Code:
netsh bridge set adapter # forcecompatmode=enable
# stands for the Number of your BT Adapter.
Thats it. Now you have access to your complete LAN and NAT-Router. Using a fix IP on your XDA will speed up the start of the conection, but DHCP works fine too. All computers whould now have an IP from the same subnet liek 192.168.0.# / 255.255.255.0.
PS using a WLAN adapter some drivers need this settings too in order to work with the windows XP networking bridge.

On the console type in:
Code:
netsh bridge show adapter
then type in
Code:
netsh bridge set adapter # forcecompatmode=enable
# stands for the Number of your BT Adapter.
Thats it. Now you have access to your complete LAN and NAT-Router. Using a fix IP on your XDA will speed up the start of the conection, but DHCP works fine too. All computers whould now have an IP from the same subnet liek 192.168.0.# / 255.255.255.0.
PS using a WLAN adapter some drivers need this settings too in order to work with the windows XP networking bridge.
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I tried the network bridge a few days ago with the card in compatiblity mode. but i will give it another go . I will repor back. Thanks

Hi
You mentioned the Belkin BT adaptor. That is about 30 odd pounds. Are all BT adaptors the same? i.e. do they just implement some version of the protocol? Seems the Belkin one implements v1.1.
How about this one, will it also do the job?
http://www.qtds.com/code/products.asp?recid=621&
Costs about 15 pounds, so much cheaper

btw, if your laptop already has BT built in, do you need to buy a dongle?

Device connection to Hotel wall Broadband

My device ( see below ) is a Imate Jas Jar, the cable that connects has a mini usb to a normal usb connection for connection to PC ( with active sync).
I am soon to travel and the hotel rooms have broadband with the connection being a standard network cable. If I get a adapter for the normal usb to the standard network cable, will I get the INTERNET into my device.
Does my device have a network card like functionality on the end of the mini usb cable.
Please advise...

Never heard of that kind of rig,,, I travel with my O2 Exec and have always been able to hook up to my hotel highspeed via my wifi service in the O2.
Some hotels have USB connections at the hub for High speed so you should call the hotel and ask if they have a wifi hotspot or USB connection instead of the normal LAN cable connect.

The hotel that I am staying at have wifi in the lobby only.

No you can't. Your phone does not have USB host function on it. Get yourself a SD-WiFi

My god, whats SD Wifi ???

Or get yourself a wireless travel router, which is what I use. Works quite well for both the universal and laptops.
There are several models available, I show you this one (which I have) as an example:
http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Sate...241008&pagename=Linksys/Common/VisitorWrapper

The wireless travel router is the best suggestion.
The Universal already has WiFi, so no idea why someone suggested an SD WiFi card.
Nothing that connects via USB will work as the Universal does not support USB Host mode.
Most wireless routers for connection to a cat5 socket cable or dsl modem will also work, the are just not as small and neat as a travel router.

question to BillB
I have the exact same configuration but i am unable to apply the TORNADO A2DP PATCH
Can u help me
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I bought a pair of Motorola HT820 headset and am unable to use em
It fails to pair with em and when it does it doesnt show any services on the HT820 tab.
So i effectively cant even use em for the headset profile
i am in a quandary as to what to do
I bought this abt 2 months ago
Any help from enlightened member in this forum will be highly regarded
Besides the above mentioned i do have gspocketMagic i did install spb and uninstalled as it made my system unstable.
I installed tweaks2net eval and uninstalled
Help
Regards
[email protected]

Why would you think that anyone with tornado A2DP experence would be reading a post on network connections in the universal forum, you might try looking for answers here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=285

What I did in the past was setup my notebook as an access-point (sorta). Since my notebook could accept CAT5, and has WiFi, what I did was connect CAT5 to notebook, enable "Internet Connection Sharing" on the wifi. Create a P2P (adhoc) connection with Universal -- and voila, internet access for Universal via WiFi within the room.

almerchant said:
I have the exact same configuration but i am unable to apply the TORNADO A2DP PATCH
Can u help me
1.30.82 WWE
02 22 06
RADIO 1.09.00
PROTOCOL 42.42.98
EXT ROM VERSION
1.30.170 WWE
I bought a pair of Motorola HT820 headset and am unable to use em
It fails to pair with em and when it does it doesnt show any services on the HT820 tab.
So i effectively cant even use em for the headset profile
i am in a quandary as to what to do
I bought this abt 2 months ago
Any help from enlightened member in this forum will be highly regarded
Besides the above mentioned i do have gspocketMagic i did install spb and uninstalled as it made my system unstable.
I installed tweaks2net eval and uninstalled
Help
Regards
[email protected]
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BTW, why don't you reflash your ROM with an AKU2.0 ROM so that you can have NATIVE A2DP support?

BTW, another vote for a travel router. It's pretty useless to look for a SD-based wired Ethernet card - I only know of CF-based ones. (And they suck too - they have REALLY bad power consumption)

My Question as i presumed it wud be was for BILLB
Hi
My question was addressed to BILLB and never meant for everyone in the forum, Gladly, we have nice minded people like you who have directed me to an available solution. Incidentally i upgraded my rom to AKU 3.2 and it supports A2DP Beautifully, but the sound is broken frequently, so am hunting at newwer grounds.
regards
AL

Thanx Minnesys...
I forgot to thank you for the direction..

Bluetooth dongle to web browse & sync with PC.

I have just bought a Bluetooth 2.0 usb dongle that I thought I could plug in to my PC and use to sit in the garden to web browse and receive emails, etc, etc.
But I have to say I'm perplexed as to how to set it all up. I have searched the forums but there is little or nothing on this subject in the Hermes threads (could be an ominous sign of course)
I have:
the M3100 with an 02 sim (contract).
Bluetooth 2.0 dongle.
Desktop PC (XP)
Activesync 4.5.0.
Bluesoleil 1.6.4.
Cable modem with broadband.
Could you tell me or point me in the right direction as to how to do this little lot.
Huge thanks.
S.

good idea- ahead of its time
I sort of used to do this, it doesn't work very well. you have so set up a partnership and use the activesync option to get the internet access. I found it slow and range limited. the dongle is like a bookmark now...
go with a wifi router, I just bought my G router for 29 cdn and i'm surfing and emailing as you mentioned, with a 1/10th the setup and hassle.
BT just isn't there yet for this.

shot in the dark...

This is a shot in the dark, but has anyone heard of anyone who got the mogul to work as an access point? Basically, use the evdo radio to connect to the internet, and use the wireless connection, either as an adhoc connection, or preferably as a full on access point with wpa2 to share to a laptop, other devices, etc. To better describe this, you can kind of do it with a laptop:
1. connect phone via ics or dun to laptop.
2. in windows, enable ics and create ah-hoc network with encryption.
3. Other laptop connects to windows laptop, gets wireless connection and is effectively using the phone as an access point.
Even better
1. Connect phone via dun to linux laptop.
2. Linux laptop (using madwifi driver or other open source) broadcasts access point settiings and works as a full on access point.
Scenario:
I want to be able to connect my mogul to my n800. I can do that now with DUN, but what if I want to use my bluetooth headphones, or the bluetooth keyboard that I haven't bought yet? Bluetooth only allows one connection at a time, so I'm SOL. If I could get my stupid mogul to work as an access point, then I could share my connection with any wireless device (how sick would that be) and reserve bluetooth for what I wanted to really do with it, not just browsing the net. Don't get me wrong, I love that I can even sync via bluetooth, but am just looking to expand the possibilties. Unfortunately, since this is WM6, I have no idea how to really work the SDK to see if network bridging is possible. If this were a Linux phone I'd probably be done already. =(

search for socks proxy.
it doesn't work that well, but it does work..
-mark

jtlonthewestside said:
Scenario:
I want to be able to connect my mogul to my n800. I can do that now with DUN, but what if I want to use my bluetooth headphones, or the bluetooth keyboard that I haven't bought yet? Bluetooth only allows one connection at a time, so I'm SOL. If I could get my stupid mogul to work as an access point, then I could share my connection with any wireless device (how sick would that be) and reserve bluetooth for what I wanted to really do with it, not just browsing the net. Don't get me wrong, I love that I can even sync via bluetooth, but am just looking to expand the possibilties. Unfortunately, since this is WM6, I have no idea how to really work the SDK to see if network bridging is possible. If this were a Linux phone I'd probably be done already. =(
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Ummm... I'm not sure what you are basing your Bluetooth information on, but the BT specification allows for up to 8 concurrent connections at once- one master devices and 7 slaves. Why do you think its only one at a time?
I use multiple connections all the time- Very often I have my phone connected to my bluetooth GPS receiver in the car, and at the same time I'm playing tunes from the same phone over my A2DP compatible car stereo... or, take a phone call on my BT headset, and all the while I'm still connected to the GPS who is still tracking my location using bluetooth. I can tell the person where I am in real-time.
I've also had someone send me a file while talking on the phone via BT headset.
You don't need such a complicated solution for your imagined problem! I don't see any reason you can't tether it and still connect to up to 7 more Bluetooth devices at the same time!
Still, using it as an access point might prove useful for other sorts of scenarios (teleconnected mobile Lan parties? WiFi on a Bus? The incredible moving hotspot?), but you don't need it... at least not for your described scenario!
Basides, you'll get better battery life out of your connected devices if just using BT instead of WiFi!