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Hi there,
I have been the owner of a brand new M500 for just over 2 weeks now and generally I am very happy with it (although I haven't had chance to play with it too much yet). I am just a little concerned with the max battery charge...
After around 16 hours first charge I generally run it down below 1 hours worth of battery left before I put it on charge, always overnight (so getting around 6-7 hours on charge through power adapter not PC). However since the second charge (which informed me I had nearly 9 hours of battery life to look forward to) it has been steadily dropping by around 20 minute increments so that the last time it dropped just below 7 hours max charge...
So this got me to wondering:
A, is this normal?
B, should I expect this to level out at some point, and how many hours should I expect this to be about?
My usage of the PDA functions aren't great and so I generally get a good 2 days worth of use between charges (1 day if I listen to MP3s during the day).
I have disabled the Beam (IrDA and Bluetooth) and only activate them when I want to use them and I only have the screen on a medium brightness. I try to ensure that I don't leave programs running when I'm not using it... Is there much else I can do to increase battery life or should I be happy with what I am getting, as this is the first time I have had a Smartphone, I don't know what to expect...
Many thanks for any of your comments,
Dan
What are you using to tell you the remaining battery time? The standard battery app tells you remaining % of battery, any program which tells you the remaining time is estimating it based on this reading.
Most programs which do this use averaging techniques to find the best estimation of remaining time based on previous charging and discharging times. The reading on your remaining charge time will eventually level out after a few charges. The charge the battery holds hasn't changed, but the estimated time remaining based on that charge has.
Thanks for the reply, I was hoping that was what was happening...
Thanks for clarifying
Dan
for those who have it how long does the battery last with a normal use?(calls,sms and internet)Thank you in advance
No exact figure but I can easily go a day without charging and that's using BT carkit for over 1 hour. About 10 calls - 30 mins total and about 10 SMS.
Sometimes have wifi on also in the evenening to use Agile Messenger.
Gav.
Well the other day I web browsed for 10 minutes over UMTS, watched a TV show for 30 minutes, video called for 30 minutes, played games for 30 minutes and at the end of the day I still had 50% battery left.
Thats great!thank you!
PPCNUT said:
Well the other day I web browsed for 10 minutes over UMTS, watched a TV show for 30 minutes, video called for 30 minutes, played games for 30 minutes and at the end of the day I still had 50% battery left.
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Whoa, I can't agree that battery life is good because it depends which model you have and what software you use with it. I have a week old Cingular 8525 with Goodlink in a UMTS area and I get only 14 hours of battery life with low-moderate use of email alone. I turn it on at 6:45am each morning and power is down to 10-20% by 7-8pm and I've barely used the phone. Not great battery life compared to my 8125, which never died, even with heavy voice and Goodlink email usage.
I haven't traveled with my new 8525 yet but when I use it with heavy calling, I'm sure it wont get more than 12 hours, tops. I just bought a second battery because of this. I know battery life with Goodlink on the 8525 is a known issue, and is one of the reasons Cingular delayed its release, but it's REALLY BAD. I have a feeling Cingular is going to be getting more than a few 8525 returns because of poor battery life. If you use Goodlink on the 8525 you 100% need a second battery using the stock ROM.
mbn said:
Whoa, I can't agree that battery life is good because it depends which model you have and what software you use with it. I have a week old Cingular 8525 with Goodlink in a UMTS area and I get only 14 hours of battery life with low-moderate use of email alone. I turn it on at 6:45am each morning and power is down to 10-20% by 7-8pm and I've barely used the phone. Not great battery life compared to my 8125, which never died, even with heavy voice and Goodlink email usage.
I haven't traveled with my new 8525 yet but when I use it with heavy calling, I'm sure it wont get more than 12 hours, tops. I just bought a second battery because of this. I know battery life with Goodlink on the 8525 is a known issue, and is one of the reasons Cingular delayed its release, but it's REALLY BAD. I have a feeling Cingular is going to be getting more than a few 8525 returns because of poor battery life. If you use Goodlink on the 8525 you 100% need a second battery using the stock ROM.
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i can concur that my 8525 has horrible battery life, i take mine off the charger around 9am, i dont really make calls, but do use pushmail, and some internet usage, mostly text and email, however mine is usually in need of a charge by 9pm when my low battery alert is coming on.. this is mostly in a UMTS area. My 8125 had far better battery life than this... oh the price we pay for speed
Exactly! That's why I bought an extra battery!
Love the 8525 speed, hate the battery life. I thought Goodlink was the problem, but it sounds like it just adds fuel to the bad battery problem.
If/when an updated rom from cingular comes out, I hope battery life will be the primary fix...
I think its the UMTS thats killing it.. i work in a UMTS area and thats where i see my biggest drain, when i am at home in a Edge area my drain is not nearly as huge, but still a bit more excessive than my 8125
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I think its the UMTS thats killing it.. i work in a UMTS area and thats where i see my biggest drain, when i am at home in a Edge area my drain is not nearly as huge, but still a bit more excessive than my 8125
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Just my 2 cents: I too believe that searching for/acquiring/holding a UMTS signal might be the cause for such rapid decline in battery power. However, to be fair I must state that 1) I do not live in a UMTS area, but have read similar posts elsewhere 2) I'm a total WM5 newbie(came from a Treo 650 and Moto Razr 3)Am looking forward to travelling to a UMTS area(Texas for me, I live in Oklahoma) to find out if it's all true. Speed/battery drain, etc.
However: I must add, that just this morning. My battery went down to 30% after 3 days usage. No push email/Good, etc. Heavy text messaging, some browsing, and even one phone call that lasted 59 minutes, over speaker phone. Not to mention the other calls, an occasional game of solitaire or bubble breaker. This possible issue is probably why Cingular is looking to release a larger battery in the future, but for me(right now) mine is ok for where I live and what I use it for.
i use my hermes in tokyo umts area and have connection always on for my push mail. i receive around 60 emails, a bit of occasional web browsing and less than 20 minutes making/receiving calls a day. i only turn on wifi and bluetooth when i use them but that's not everyday. i tend to agree that the stock battery life is not good enough as it will go down to like 30% in about 12 hours in my case.
i know that umts and connection always on are draining the battery but that's how i want to use it. instead of carrying a spare battery, i decided to purchase Mugen's 3000mAh battery and have started using it from this morning. it's really good as it still shows 80% left even after using it for over 10 hours already since i tooked it off the charger this morning.
harryk1372 said:
i use my hermes in tokyo umts area and have connection always on for my push mail. i receive around 60 emails, a bit of occasional web browsing and less than 20 minutes making/receiving calls a day. i only turn on wifi and bluetooth when i use them but that's not everyday. i tend to agree that the stock battery life is not good enough as it will go down to like 30% in about 12 hours in my case.
i know that umts and connection always on are draining the battery but that's how i want to use it. instead of carrying a spare battery, i decided to purchase Mugen's 3000mAh battery and have started using it from this morning. it's really good as it still shows 80% left even after using it for over 10 hours already since i tooked it off the charger this morning.
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Hey! Are they available for sale now? Are they in stock? Can you please advise of the website that you used to purchase this battery from? I'm assuming that it comes with the back phone cover, correct? Thanks in advance.
balld said:
Hey! Are they available for sale now? Are they in stock? Can you please advise of the website that you used to purchase this battery from? I'm assuming that it comes with the back phone cover, correct? Thanks in advance.
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yup, but it's only available from a japanese online store at the moment.
http://pocketgames.jp/
I don't believe they will ship to overseas though. just send them a note to confirm. it comes with the back phone cover if you mean it by the replacement battery cover. check it out your self at the site.
I'm only getting 8-10 hours on my TyTN. I'm going to be taking it back!
harryk1372 said:
i use my hermes in tokyo umts area and have connection always on for my push mail. i receive around 60 emails, a bit of occasional web browsing and less than 20 minutes making/receiving calls a day. i only turn on wifi and bluetooth when i use them but that's not everyday. i tend to agree that the stock battery life is not good enough as it will go down to like 30% in about 12 hours in my case.
i know that umts and connection always on are draining the battery but that's how i want to use it. instead of carrying a spare battery, i decided to purchase Mugen's 3000mAh battery and have started using it from this morning. it's really good as it still shows 80% left even after using it for over 10 hours already since i tooked it off the charger this morning.
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Hi Harry- could you post a link to a site to purchase the Mugen 3000mAh battery.
I was searching around and found a 1500mAh battery on Seidioonline (link below). I think I read somewhere (on this site) that advertised power and actual power are 2 very different things, but am encouraged that you are getting 10 hours and are still at 80%!
http://www.seidioonline.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=333
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Hi Harry- could you post a link to a site to purchase the Mugen 3000mAh battery.
I was searching around and found a 1500mAh battery on Seidioonline (link below). I think I read somewhere (on this site) that advertised power and actual power are 2 very different things, but am encouraged that you are getting 10 hours and are still at 80%!
http://www.seidioonline.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=333
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i'm still at 60% after running it for 25 hours without charging. i'll have to fully discharge it 3 times at least before achieving the stated capacity so i'll have to leave it uncharged for another day. what i'm seeing is definitely more than what i expected.
the link to the site from where i purchased it is pasted in my post above.
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Hi Harry- could you post a link to a site to purchase the Mugen 3000mAh battery.
I was searching around and found a 1500mAh battery on Seidioonline (link below). I think I read somewhere (on this site) that advertised power and actual power are 2 very different things, but am encouraged that you are getting 10 hours and are still at 80%!
http://www.seidioonline.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=333
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That 1500 mah battery at Seidio Online seems wonderful, but I couldn't find any references or review that comment on the following:
- If it is compatible with the Hermes (8525/TyTn/etc.)
- If it truly provide 11% more talk/standby time
- If charging it with original Hermes charger will damage the phone in anyway or just simply taking longer to charge.
If any of the above is OK, I'd buy it in a heartbeat and make the original 1360 MAH battery my 2nd battery.
lanwarrior said:
That 1500 mah battery at Seidio Online seems wonderful, but I couldn't find any references or review that comment on the following:
- If it is compatible with the Hermes (8525/TyTn/etc.)
- If it truly provide 11% more talk/standby time
- If charging it with original Hermes charger will damage the phone in anyway or just simply taking longer to charge.
If any of the above is OK, I'd buy it in a heartbeat and make the original 1360 MAH battery my 2nd battery.
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it is compatible with hermes so you don't have to worry about its compatibility. i don't believe it will damage it with the original hermes charger as i have used it for sometime.
with that said, don't expect any significant difference as it has only 150mah advantage and i couldn't even recognize the difference. i don't think it is worth spending the money unless you just want to get a spare battery but just the stock battery is way cheaper for a spare. i recommend all to go for the 3000mah one from mugen if you need longer battery life.
so this weekend i am off work and live in a non 3G area.. and all i can say is what a difference there is in battery consumption.. my phone has been off the charger for almost 6 hours and have had moderate usage and i only just recently hit 90%.. now if i was working today i would have already been at the 50-60% range... For my device i can say that 3G kills my battery life... actually i think my battery life in an "edge only" area is very comparable if not better than my 8125.. but in a 3g area i would get better battery life if i just shorted out the contacts on my battery (newbs that was joke, *DO NOT* short out the contacts on your battery)
I have the Seidio battery. It fits but not as well as the original. The cover bows up slightly when it's installed. Performance is slightly better than the original.
Average business use, couple of hours of calls , some web browsing, push email on, about a day and a half with standard battery.
HTC644 Vario II
Sorry, i'm bit new user for Universal, But i think my universal bettery drain faster than last Alpine. I want to ask other user, how often you charge the universal battery?
Thanks in advanced
Depends how you use it.
If im away from home at a weekend and hardly use my device - it might use 25% just being on standby for over 48 hours.
On a daily basis it might be on solidly for 2 hours throughout the day - when i get home battery might be down as much as 50% - thats making calls, texting, listening to music, bit of surfing on net, occasional game of Bejeweled.
Figures quoted by operators are 4hrs talk time, 240hrs standby - these figures mean nothing though.
Who's going to leave their device unused for 240hours to test it!!!
So in answer to your question charging at least once every two days perhaps every day depending on use.
Matt
@ matt1971:
Thanks a lot for reply, I'll figure it out. And test in couple days ahead.
my uni is always on charging as i use it to connect my lappy with that but it dies after 30% of its battery think it is near on its last days .
Hmmm... sthe battery is long enought if on stand by mobe, but if i play with it, it drain fastly. I'll looking for why?
Anyone can help? Or any sugestion?
my suggestion is to refrain from plugging it thru the usb frequently. my battery problems surfaced only after i used wm5torage a lot.... others may say that it wouldnt matter, that poly ion bats should have no memory effect, but i've been bitten twice and i wont take the risk anymore..
Question?
Hi,
Do you use Internet?
Cheers, Leo
matt1971 said:
Depends how you use it.
If im away from home at a weekend and hardly use my device - it might use 25% just being on standby for over 48 hours.
On a daily basis it might be on solidly for 2 hours throughout the day - when i get home battery might be down as much as 50% - thats making calls, texting, listening to music, bit of surfing on net, occasional game of Bejeweled.
Figures quoted by operators are 4hrs talk time, 240hrs standby - these figures mean nothing though.
Who's going to leave their device unused for 240hours to test it!!!
So in answer to your question charging at least once every two days perhaps every day depending on use.
Matt
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Hello everyone,
Just got an XDA Exec yesterday with two batteries. However, the both charge to 85% and don't move forward. They've been on the AC plug for over three hours now. Am I missing a config setting or something?
Thanks in advance!
-Marc
lightstorm66 said:
Hello everyone,
Just got an XDA Exec yesterday with two batteries. However, the both charge to 85% and don't move forward. They've been on the AC plug for over three hours now. Am I missing a config setting or something?
Thanks in advance!
-Marc
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No setting needed to charge the battery until 100%, hardware failure i guess, any warranty for replacement, I mean maybe the unit, coz it happend on your 2 battery
cornelius,
Thanks much. It MAY be that these batteries have never been fully charged; I left them on overnight and although it took A LONG TIME to get over the 85% hump, they eventually got there.
battery charging
you do need to charge the battery first time for a good 16hours - i've gone for a 3200mah Lithium ion instead of the standard 1600mah - got it off ebay for £16 with a new rear cover as its really thick!!! only problem now is the brick won't sit in the car cradle ;-)
Robegee,
Does your unit report battery % correctly, or does it stick at 100% all the time? I've read (haven't tried), that these aftermarket batteries don't report drain properly.
Just curious... I'm thinking about purchasing an extended battery, but want to know. Where did you get yours from?
Thanks.
-Kevin.
Hi people,
I have recently dumped a Omnia2 for a Desire, just to try Android.
Although it's a beautiful phone, battery life is [email protected], so I'm considering a come back to WM, maybe to HTC HD2.
But before I make my decision, I want to know if the HD2 battery can last for at least 40 hours in my normal usage:
- 40 minutes of phone calls (made/received);
- 90 minutes (1,5 hours) of listening to music over bluetooth, using a bluetooth stereo headset;
- Auto-sync weather every 3 hours;
- Auto-sync email every 3 hours;
- 10-15 minutes of internet browsing;
- Manual sync of my Google account to update agenda and contacts twice a day.
All connections are made using 3G, I'm over a 3G network all day long.
With this daily usage, I got my Omnia2 running for about 65 hours! Let's say, almost 3 days long! I even left it on all night long, without worrying with the battery. Each day consumed 30%-35% of battery juice.
With that usage in my Desire, after one day 45% to 50% of battery juice is gone. I have to turn it off at night so I can use it the next day without recharging. It's about 26-28 hours of total usage before I have to charge it. I don't know if this is normal, maybe I just got spoiled by Omnia2 battery.
What about HD2? Does anyone have a similar usage? Do you think that if I use a HD2 that way, its battery will last longer than Desire battery?
If I had usage like that I wouldn't carry two batteries around with me Music trashes my battery and takes usage above 300mah which in theory is just over 4 hours and I listen quite a fair bit. The desire has a larger battery than the HD2 anyway and I don't think win mo has that great power management.
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but i seriously doubt that you will be happy with the HD2 battery performance (based on your usage)
im sure you're aware there are many threads re: the poor battery issue, personally i use my phone much more conservatively than you do & struggle to get more than 1 days use (usually 30% charge remaining by the end of the day).
i mostly use edge (switch to 3g if i want to download large email attachments/ web files or watch online vids)
all updates are manual & wifi & bluetooth switched off.
i decided to stop worrying about the battery some time ago & invested in 2 spare batteries. its not ideal but in this case i think the pros of the HD2 out weight the cons.
probably not what you wanted to hear, but this has been my experience, maybe someone can offer more positive feedback.
however if you like winmo, im sure you wont be disappointed with this excellent phone.
all the best.
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you could try a battery extender like the just mobile gum pro that i recently bought for UK £33 shipped. it's Li-ion with a capacity of 4400mAh, sufficient to fully recharge my hd2 2-3 times from flat without the inconvenience of having to pop the back and soft reset the phone as you would swapping in a spare hd2 battery.
wow, sorry to say this but hd2 is no match for your usage
theabsurdman said:
you could try a battery extender like the just mobile gum pro that i recently bought for UK £33 shipped. it's Li-ion with a capacity of 4400mAh, sufficient to fully recharge my hd2 2-3 times from flat without the inconvenience of having to pop the back and soft reset the phone as you would swapping in a spare hd2 battery.
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that is interesting. How long does it take to recharge the phone???
See this thread
Hi,
Take a look at this thread -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=718173
I regularly get more than 48 hours out of my battery but then I down listen to music much and definitely not via bluetooth so I have no idea how that would affect battery life.
I dow however use my phone a lot for reading ebooks which mean the screens on for extended periods and I still get to 48 hours +.
I'm busy transferring audio books to my phone so will be able to report back soon about extended periods of audio listening but that will be with the wired headset.
Regards
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that is interesting. How long does it take to recharge the phone???
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similar to the mains charger -- a couple of hours, and you can use the phone while it's charging (albeit slowing the charge rate). note: this is using the htc-supplied sync cable to charge which might be limiting the current draw to 500mA. the gum pro is rated for 1000mA output and i've just ordered a mini-to micro- usb adaptor with the data lines shorted which apparently fools the phone into thinking a mains charger is connected so that it may draw more current and charge faster still.
i forgot to mention before that the gum pro is relatively small and light -- think the weight of a pack of cards and about 2/3rds the size.
I do;
30min calls a day
1hr wifi router
30+min video playback
20 reminders a day (sound n vibrate)
All net updates every 30min (twitter, 3 emails, weather)
6am off charger - 6pm back on charger and usually has 40-50% battery life...
I reckon the HD2 would come close to your needs but there would be no margin for error. If it did what you asked the battery would die doing it...
I don't get people who want a phone to last 2-3 days...
I mean, don't people sleep at least a few hours everyday (during which the phone could recharge)?
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I do;
30min calls a day
1hr wifi router
30+min video playback
20 reminders a day (sound n vibrate)
All net updates every 30min (twitter, 3 emails, weather)
6am off charger - 6pm back on charger and usually has 40-50% battery life...
I reckon the HD2 would come close to your needs but there would be no margin for error. If it did what you asked the battery would die doing it...
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It's a very good battery life you have there. I guess it would fit my needs.
BTW, you are on Telstra operator, right? If I'm not wrong, Telstra has 3G 850mhz. Wouldn't this better battery life?
So I always assumed the battery drain was a hardware or software issue, especially as my X10 would often shut down on 40% power and refuse to stay turned on unless the battery were taken out for 5 minutes.
Rather than buy a new phone I thought I'd try a new battery (I have had the phone since August 2010) - just £3 from ebay, and since then my battery life has been astounding - I'm quite a heavy user, but would almost run out after 8-9 hours despite keeping everything off and only switching on 3g and wifi when necessary. Now I can leave wifi and 3g on all day, leave the phone at medium brightness setting and still have 40% after a 15 hour day of medium-heavy usage.
I used to get idle drain of 1% every 10-15 mins as well (unless the phone was rebooted), but that seems to have disappeared as well.
So before you give up on it, do try a new battery, especially if you've had yours over a year. If there's no effect, you've lost £3 and still have a spare on hand.
Hello friend,could you please post the link where did you buy?
You think people on here throw their phone away because of battery drain,and it doesnt cross their minds to buy a new battery.....instead of buying a new phone.
I just hope your £3 battery doesnt damage your phone........or explode when youve got the phone in your pocket.......or during a call
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So I always assumed the battery drain was a hardware or software issue, especially as my X10 would often shut down on 40% power and refuse to stay turned on unless the battery were taken out for 5 minutes.
Rather than buy a new phone I thought I'd try a new battery (I have had the phone since August 2010) - just £3 from ebay, and since then my battery life has been astounding - I'm quite a heavy user, but would almost run out after 8-9 hours despite keeping everything off and only switching on 3g and wifi when necessary. Now I can leave wifi and 3g on all day, leave the phone at medium brightness setting and still have 40% after a 15 hour day of medium-heavy usage.
I used to get idle drain of 1% every 10-15 mins as well (unless the phone was rebooted), but that seems to have disappeared as well.
So before you give up on it, do try a new battery, especially if you've had yours over a year. If there's no effect, you've lost £3 and still have a spare on hand.
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Whats the size? i have a 1500mAh and a 2600mAh whats ur cpu settings also? looking for a good setup thanks in advance!
Also amazon link for 2600mAh btw its a big battery, and requires its own case which is rather bulky (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-Ericss...TIMS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1331594837&sr=8-1)
This is the 1500 i currently use, still getting the battery sorted with kernels ect
(http://www.amazon.co.uk/KC-Electron...1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1331594882&sr=1-1)
I would just like to confirm what OP wrote. Not only did my new battery (I got the 1800mah one from Mugen, $33) solve my battery drain, it also solved my mysterious reboots, lockups, and heat issues. My phone would regularly get up to 48 celcius, it would result in it automatically shutting off the charging. It was a pain in the butt when using GPS on long trips as I would have to have the AC run straight onto the phone just so it would still charge. It was like this from new. With the new battery it has not budged above 29 celcius with GPS navigation, 100% screen, bluetooth, music and sync all running at the same time, I am shocked!
In order to condition the battery I turned off the screen timeout ("No screen off" in the Market) so I could get it to drain to 5%, it lasts twice as long even with the screen on all the time then it did before I got the battery, feels like a new phone.
beware of cheap batteries
beware of counterfeit batteries. Ive read a bit about cheap batteries being inferior knock offs. You tube has several vids about how to tell the difference
I'm about to buy bigger battery for my x10i. Now I have original 1500 mAh. Do you, who already tested thease 2500 mAh bateries see the difference?
Bialynia said:
I would just like to confirm what OP wrote. Not only did my new battery (I got the 1800mah one from Mugen, $33) solve my battery drain, it also solved my mysterious reboots, lockups, and heat issues. My phone would regularly get up to 48 celcius, it would result in it automatically shutting off the charging. It was a pain in the butt when using GPS on long trips as I would have to have the AC run straight onto the phone just so it would still charge. It was like this from new. With the new battery it has not budged above 29 celcius with GPS navigation, 100% screen, bluetooth, music and sync all running at the same time, I am shocked!
In order to condition the battery I turned off the screen timeout ("No screen off" in the Market) so I could get it to drain to 5%, it lasts twice as long even with the screen on all the time then it did before I got the battery, feels like a new phone.
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My phone starting doing the exact same thing... shutting down at around 40% so I order the Mugen 1800mAH battery as well. Should get it in a few weeks... I did see much cheaper batteries available but figured you get what you pay for, and the reviews on the Mugen batteries seem to be good so I spend the extra money for it. Looking forward to the extended battery life!