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XDA Syn and Charge Cable

I was wondering if a Sync and Charge cable for the XDA will work on the XDA II?
I didnt want to try it just in case!!

My bro is managing to use most of his original XDA stuff with his XDA II. However, I have a problem with a Boxwave Minisync'n'charge cable that's supposed to be for the XDA II but I suspect is a rebadged XDA 1 cable - it sync's OK from my laptop but won't charge. However, the cable works with their car charger fine, i.e. it charges the XDA II OK ... strange...
Steve.

I think the XDA II needs slightly higher charging voltage than the XDA I in order to charge. It's a happy coincidence that the 5V USB power is sufficient to charge the XDA I; the approved charger has slightly higher voltage but the USB voltage is close enough to charge the XDA I - it 's known to take longer to charge the XDA I via the USB than with a charger. So that's probably why you can sync but not charge the XDA II with the USB cable.

This is a little confusing as my XDA II charges whilst sitting in the cradle WITHOUT the power supply connected, yet won't charge via the Sync'n'Charge cable from the same USB port... Any thoughts?
Steve.

XDA1 cable can be used to sycnh an XDA2 without any problems. It will also charge the XDA2 battery as long as the XDA2 battery has at least %80 or more charge. I bought a new cable today that charges both XDA2 & XDA1. Don't know what the difference is internally but the shopkeeper tells me its to do with pin configuration on the connector. Hope this helps.

I've just tested an old XDA1 USB sync'n'charge lead (the one supplied by O2) on my XDA II and it's charging nicely! I too have heard that it's to do with a sublte difference in the pin connections...
Time to get the multimeter out I think!
steve.

See http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=4330
[email protected] seems to have figured it all out! Great work! Mystery revealed.

Thanks for the pointer - it was indeed the GND connections on pins 2&5 on the XDA II connector that were preventing the USB charging behaviour - I took the XDA I lead apart and the connections weren't there, so I clipped them on the new lead (don't you just love voiding the warranty!) and hey presto, the USB lead now charges!
Now all I need to do is check the lead on my car charing adapter...
Steve

Cool! Pity I bought a new charge/synch cable just today. Oh well, I guess I can still solder my old cable and have two! Thanks for the confirmation.

Sync n Charge Cable
Interesting thread, but I have a question...
I have a mini sync-n-charge cable that syncs fine and charges if the battery on the XDAII is not less that 80% - is that the best I can hope for from a charger off a PC's USB port or do I need to get my soldering iron out? I got the impression from the thred that the soldering iron was to cure a sync-n-charge cable that was not charging at all.

Cannot charge with car charger can any expert help please

Cannot charge xda executive with car charger ,when connected nothing happens light does not go red and also the connection icon does not show

make sure you dont have a faulty charger... dont know what you are using but i believe most people use the cigarette lighter to usb converter and then just use the usb cable... also have you tried pressing the on and off swith with the charger plugged in ?
BR

car charger
Hi and thanks for the fast reply mate <yes it is a new charger from o2 .
No i have not tried the on off with the switch ,but would i still be able to charge when i am using tomtom

Whell....I use the cigarette lighter to usb adapter and usb cable ...at times i have had to quik press the on/off swith and at times plug and unplug the cable to get it to charge ....I used this as a "jump start" method only and no problems after that with using it whillst on charge (even with tomtom)..... other than that you may have a faulty charger or fag lighter to usb adapter (I never seen what a o2 one looks like).
BR

Is the charger one especially for the exec?
I found normal usb chargers for phones like V3 or a GPS charger cant supply enough current to charge an exec.

hi, yeah i have had this problem, and so have a few of my clients, seems that not enough juice flows through the non branded versions, unlike from o2's or Brodits cables

I found that a regular USB cable into a Cigarette Lighter -> USB Socket didn't work until I joined pin 4 to pin 5 on the USB B Mini plug. All of the adapters I had that worked, but only powered (no data, i.e. Brodit and mains adapter) seemed to have pin 4 joined to pin 5 (pin 4 isn't normally connected at all). Once I did that mod it worked fine.
Cheers,
Steve.

bluesign2k said:
Is the charger one especially for the exec?
I found normal usb chargers for phones like V3 or a GPS charger cant supply enough current to charge an exec.
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Orange shops carry a charger intended for HTC manufactured devices (i.e. the SPV C500/M500 range) which works fine. Only £9.99.

In the UK looking for a TWO PIN EUROPEAN charger for Wizard

I am in the UK and looking for a two pin euro charger for my phone - if it is packaged with a 12v charger or any other kit i dont really mind, as I could do with an extra car one.
Alternately - I have a 'plug' for a UK socket that instead of having a cable on it has a socket like a car charger at the back, so I can use it with a car charger for any new mobile I get so I have a second mains charger - is there a euro-two pin plg equivalent of this?
Cheers

Any USB charger (there are many varieties) should work fine, so you just have to find a Euro-plugged USB charger then stick the USB cable into the charger.
For example, I have the iPod USB charger with swappable front plugs, which charge my Wizard, Sony Ericsson phone and the iPod.

Exactly, but it is finding a two pin one that is the problem.

Try Expansys. They usually have a wide variety of weird and random plug combinations so you might be lucky there.

alternatively - a bit uglier - get a travel plug converter (just the plug converter, not the big transformers). The charger that came in the box is rated for 100V-240V and ~50Hz-~60Hz - so it'll work in EU, USA, UK, JP - as long as I bring the plug converter so that it'll physically fit

Here.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5818157604&rd=1&sspagename=STRK:MEWA:IT&rd=1
£5.99 plus postage. Uses the standard usb cable that came with the device.
I've bought a few things from them - good quality.

pewe said:
Here.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5818157604&rd=1&sspagename=STRK:MEWA:IT&rd=1
£5.99 plus postage. Uses the standard usb cable that came with the device.
I've bought a few things from them - good quality.
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By default, the standard USB sync cable will not charge from a cigarette lighter / mains adaptor USB socket, it will only charge via a computer.
If you want to modify the cable so it will charge from a cigarette lighter etc, you need to short pins 4 and 5 of the mini USB end. Do a google search for a diagram etc. Once modified the cable will no longer work as a sync cable.
Richard

By default, the standard USB sync cable will not charge from a cigarette lighter / mains adaptor USB socket
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I am puzzled. I understand what you are saying about the connections, but what puzzles me is I have a GPS receiver that I bought which came with a flexible USB charger and had a cigarette adapter and mains adapter (both US and UK) in the box.
I bought a cradle for my Vario (complete with usb sync cable) so don't need the the usb sync cable supplied with the Vario in the office. So I use it in the car with the USB Cigarette adapter that came with the GPS unit and it charges the Vario in the car with no problem.
I haven't tried it with the USB mains adapter yet, but having seen the above reply will try it tomorrow, but I'm sure it will work because its the cable that should prevent it.

fluffcat1 said:
By default, the standard USB sync cable will not charge from a cigarette lighter / mains adaptor USB socket, it will only charge via a computer.
If you want to modify the cable so it will charge from a cigarette lighter etc, you need to short pins 4 and 5 of the mini USB end. Do a google search for a diagram etc. Once modified the cable will no longer work as a sync cable.
Richard
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I beg to differ. My shiny white Apple iPod USB charger works perfectly as a charger for the Wizard, with the USB cable provided with the phone.
I'm aware that some phones including the Razr and Blackberry are sometimes reported to be picky about the USB chargers, but so far Wizard has no such curiosities.

ZeBoxx said:
alternatively - a bit uglier - get a travel plug converter (just the plug converter, not the big transformers). The charger that came in the box is rated for 100V-240V and ~50Hz-~60Hz - so it'll work in EU, USA, UK, JP - as long as I bring the plug converter so that it'll physically fit
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Not really viable - as often when abroad i just take a rucksack and see where i end up - so ideally everything is light and preferably a cable that is permanently attached to the plug.
Incidentally - there is a company in italy called Wind doing a PAYG sim that offers a gig of data in Italy for 20 euros - so not much use to most here - but if you use it for roaming in europe - they drop it to 20% of that - so 204.8 meg for 20 euros per month - Tmobile charges 1500 and orange 2 grand for the same!

TyTN Power Connector - Same As Any Other Pocket PCs?

In my desperation to find a car mount that connects straight into the cigarette lighter so that I don't have to screw/stick one on to the dash, I have been thinking about getting one that's meant for another kind of PDA that hopefully has the same connector as the TyTN.
On Gomadic's site on this page: http://www.gomadic.com/car-auto-mounts-cat.html
they list the HTC: Blue Angel, Falcon, Harrier, Himalaya, Wallaby, Prophet, Apache, Magician, Prodigy, Wizard & Galaxy.
Is anyone sure about whether any of those have the same USB connection as the TyTN? The company makes fantastic mounts which is why I want to get another one from them to replace the one I used for my XDA II.

the power adaptor from the Wizard will work with the TyTN.

Thanks!
I checked this out using pictures from the net and saw it was the same! So I've ordered a suitable holder from Gomadic.

Standard mini-usb, but with an optional extension for their pain in the a$$ audio output/headset. But any mini-usb is fine for power.
V

vijay555 said:
Standard mini-usb, but with an optional extension for their pain in the a$$ audio output/headset. But any mini-usb is fine for power.
V
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Actually, not completely true!
While any mini-USB cable should be fine for ActiveSync/desktop charging, not all DC mini-USB chargers are alike! There is definitely a specific voltage/wiring configuration requirement required for DC charging the TyTN.
Make sure you pick a charger that is compatible with the Wizard or the Universal, and you'll be fine... Others may or may not work!

The mini-usb for charging has extra pins connected to start charging.
Simplest method is to buy a charger that has a normal USB output (anything from 300mA up will do) best to buy a travel one that has interchangable UK/Europe/US mains heads and a 12/24V cigarette lighter adapter.
Chop the cable off your TyTn mains charger close to the power head and fit a standard USB connector to the cable.
Voila! you have a mains/mobile charger that DEFINITLY works mobile...

Holux GPSlim 236

Is it correct that this receiver doesn't operate while being charged?
Mines only seems to work while on battery - as soon as I plig in the charger, it goes off.

markmcrobie said:
Is it correct that this receiver doesn't operate while being charged?
Mines only seems to work while on battery - as soon as I plig in the charger, it goes off.
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mine works great and is plugged in to a car charger constantly

Hi Shogunmark,
Hi Shogunmark,
What software are you using with your "Holux GPSlim 236" ? Thanks
shd

markmcrobie said:
Is it correct that this receiver doesn't operate while being charged?
Mines only seems to work while on battery - as soon as I plig in the charger, it goes off.
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Keep an eye on this thread. I have just charged my 236 up so need to let it run out of juice.
I'll post a result when I get to test it.

Just tried with my old Nokia battery.
With the mains charger plugged in, the unit is operating as normal.
Hope that helps.

Mine works fine whilst charging

suhongdoan said:
Hi Shogunmark,
What software are you using with your "Holux GPSlim 236" ? Thanks
shd
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iguidance v3

I have to add to my posts that when I recieved mine (without plug adapters) I tried my charger in a 2pin - 3pin adapter and the charger wouldnt work.
I plugged it directly into the 3 pin socket and it is fine. Obviously the adapter wasnt making the correct contacts.
Just as a silly question, your charger is illuminating and the green charge light on the GPS is on isn't it??
I know some suppliers of these send the adapters out with them.

Holux 236 Slim
I have the Holux 236 Slim and the GPS works fine while plugged into the chargers that came with it (both A/C and car). It will not operate with other USB chargers however. It behaves just like you said. It charges while the GPS is switched off, but does not operate with either an A/C adapter or car charger from another device (like my Cingular 8125).
Also the cable that came with the A/C adapter looks like any other USB to mini-5 USB (in fact I have used it as one for my Cingular 8125), but it will not work as a USB cable with the Holux to connect it to my laptop as a USB GPS. Holux says you have to buy their special USB cable to make that work.

You may have a bad one. Mine works both ways.

drakethib said:
You may have a bad one. Mine works both ways.
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I am afraid that may be the case my friends.
May be an idea to phone Holux if you havent already done so.

I need an extra car charger for my 236 and have tried universal ones. These don't work unless the 236 is switched off, because the 236 mini usb is somehow differant. I think when you plug in a universal car charger in the 236 it goes into mouse mode & switches off bluetooth.I did notice that if you only touched the mini usb ends together it worked ok.plugged all the way in no. I needed to hard reset to get it working . I have contacted holux Europe to see if i can buy an extra Holux car charger. Very annoying!

Echoing what others have said, universal chargers don't work. I've tried as well. Using the supplied car charger though, never a problem. I've used it on numerous long road trips, powered on and plugged in with the supplied charger without issue. Forgot it on one trip, and experienced the same concerns as others: didn't charge whilst on on a universal charger.
And, just in case the OP is interested, I'm using Mapopolis with mine.

That may be it then - I haven't tried it with that car charger that came with it, I was having the problem while charging it with my O2 XDA Mini's charger (same connection).
Why on Earth would that be though?

markmcrobie said:
That may be it then - I haven't tried it with that car charger that came with it, I was having the problem while charging it with my O2 XDA Mini's charger (same connection).
Why on Earth would that be though?
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No offence, but it comes with a mains charger also. Why would you not use that??
Checking the details on them both, they both are 5vdc at 1 amp.
Just going by the connection being the same doesn't necessarily mean that the output voltages are the same.
I have a standard cigarette lighter in my lorry, only problem is, its a 24v connection and would oblitorate any 12v equipment in a split second. But it looks the same !!!
I dont mean to flame you, but if a charger is supplied with something, then why on earth not use it? After all, thats what its there for.

Jerry-S said:
No offence, but it comes with a mains charger also. Why would you not use that??
Checking the details on them both, they both are 5vdc at 1 amp.
Just going by the connection being the same doesn't necessarily mean that the output voltages are the same.
I have a standard cigarette lighter in my lorry, only problem is, its a 24v connection and would oblitorate any 12v equipment in a split second. But it looks the same !!!
I dont mean to flame you, but if a charger is supplied with something, then why on earth not use it? After all, thats what its there for.
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Why on Earth would I want to use up 2 plug sockets in my 4-way adaptor for 2 charges that are the same? (one for my phone and one for my GPS receiver).
Since either charger will charge either device, why not just have 1 plugged in, since I'll never actually need to charge both at the same time while in the house?

markmcrobie said:
Since either charger will charge either device, why not just have 1 plugged in, since I'll never actually need to charge both at the same time while in the house?
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As I said, I wasnt trying to flame you and your point is taken but the whole purpose of this thread was to ask why it ISN'T doing what you thought it should, even though it charges. (As it should), LOL
If that makes sense, LOL
Ok then looking at the same point but from the other side, will the Holux charger charge the Wizard as it should??