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Hi,
I have a very recently purchased XDA II.
I was under the impression that the battery time was considerably improved.
Although I have turned down the backlight brightness when on battery power, it still starts to loose power when I receive or send a SMS for example.
Is this normal or do I have a duff battery ?
Steve
try turning off bluetooth when you dont use it
it's suppose to be a batt hog
Yup,
done that. I only have BT on when I am actually using my headset.
Any other idea's
Steve
when does it auto turn off ?
when does the backlight turn off ?
are there any SD cards connected seem to recall that they eat batt aswell
I've had mine a week, have the same power drain problem. After charging it all last night I managed to use it as a PDA for a total of 40 mins over a 6 hour period today before the battery drained. No phone calls were made, Bluetooth disconnected (I do have a 256 MB card installed, but I don't know if this has anything to do with it), furthermore the backlight is set to the default setting and the auto power off set to 1 min. In any case I would expect to get more than 40 mins use of the PDA, the specification states upto 15 hours.
I took the unit back to the store, they say that this is a rare problem (yeah right :roll: ), they gave me a new battery which I am now recharging, hopefully this will work.
mmmm, it's very strange.
I am doing a test now. I have a imate with the official imate upgrade. I have a gps sysonchip bt. One and half hours ago i connected the imate with the gps and i started a demo of 500 km. Now the battery is at 75%.....Maybe de last upgrade solved this problem.... :shock:
You should get far better performance than this.
Three things that can drain the power:
Communications/Peripherals - IR, bluetooth, SDIO wireless LAN etc. Disable all of them unless you're actually using them.
Processor hungry programs - check if you have anything running in the background that could prevent the device switching to full sleep mode.
Lack of radio signal - if you're out of contact with a base station, the device tries to connect at full power every 30s - a big battery drain, so if you know you're out of contact, turn off the radio.
However, even with everything running, I'd expect a running time way above 40mins, so it sounds like you have a hardware problem with your device. I easily get 3h full brightness, full processing (ie watching a movie or playing a game) with radio on.
Turn IR off?
Is there anyway to actually turn the IR off on the XDA II?
Just the Start-Settings-Connections-Beam-Receive all incoming beams checkbox.
tried the new battery today, same procedure as yesterday (no bluetooth etc), had a slightly better performance today from the new battery, managed to get roughly an hours actual use out of the PDA (games etc) over a period of... 10 hours, ooh atleast it lasted the working day so must be better... however still no way near the 15 hours PDA work time as stated on the box!
However something I have noticed is that every now and then (after switching off the unit and just leaving it on the desk) the screen comes to life displaying a running program, (just how do you turn off the media player? I now realise it isnt with the "X"). Anyway why does it "power" back up? I wonder if this has anything to do with my power problem, that perhaps it has switched back on whilst in my pocket (BTW I have set the buttons so that they do not switch the PDA on accidently)
So, I'm recharging again, (I think I might take the MMC card out see if tht makes a difference). I expect something better for my EUR 500, what is the point of being able to go online anywhere if you have to be plugged into the mains! If I can't get the damn thing to work satisfactoraily by next week then it is going back to the shop, despite it being a Gucci shiny piece of kit!
@MoistVelvet: Actually, it;s not so much the device itself but the operating systems that is the cause of a few quirks. Luckily, a lot has been written on this forum and other forums on websites such as www.ppcw.net. A lot can been improved by limiting the number of programs that can be found in the \windows\startup folder of the XDA II. I'd suggest you have a look around in the various topics. I ended up honing my XDA II to a point where I am actually very very satisfied with it's performance ...
Can someone repost the items in the windows start up folder than can be deleted and what they do on the XDA II.
I was surprised at the amount of apps in there, but dont know what I can safely delete.
Steve
Wiz,
thanks for the tip, I'll have a look around.
Well the batery did last longer yesterday, managed to get through a whole workig day before it ran out, so the jury is still out!
Realised perhaps one of the reasons why the unit would switch itself on, whilst at work I have a very low signal, so every minute or two the signal strength would go up and switch the screen on. I have set to auto switch off after 1 min, but I wonder if there is there a way to stop it from switching on?
Hm, my experience is quite different. I use it throughout the day with around 15 phone calls, at least 2 GPRS synchronisations, some other usage of contacts, calendar and email and when I get home it's still around 60 percent - the most drain appears to happen on the way back home when I use the BT headset...
When your uses so much more power you may like to check what kind of programs you use. First idea is to have a critical look at fancy today plugins... my worst experience was with Battery Pack, the best way to empty your battery :lol:
Maybe you like to use UpTime plugin (http://ae.inc.ru/uptime_t.html) which really tells you how much you actually use the PocketPC and which doesn't do anythings while it's switched off...
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Wiz,
Realised perhaps one of the reasons why the unit would switch itself on, whilst at work I have a very low signal, so every minute or two the signal strength would go up and switch the screen on.
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Actually, the reason it periodically switches on is the O2 Homezone application. Whenever your phone changes to a new base station (which can happen even if you don't move), the stupid Homezone app turns the phone on. This is a known issue, and the only known remedy is to disable the app completely (remove from Autostart folder, soft reset phone).
Cheers
Daniel
Hi
I have an xdaII, which i load loads and loads of things onto. I did find that the battery was draining quite quickly. eg. charge it all night, just leaving it running in the day with hardly any use would drain the battery by about 90 percent! Bluetooth was off etc.
One time, the thing drained completely, and it needed a hardboot. Im going to send it back shortly for investigation/repairs.
However, since it hardbooted, i have not installed a thing. And i am finding that the battery is lasting a lot longer. I managed to go 3 days, of average usage, (few incoming/outgoing calls), without charging the battery!
This makes me think some apps must cause the battery to drain. I had battery app installed (that runs in today screen). I had fonix voicedial installed. I had quite a few games installed.
I think some software was causing the battery consumption,.. possibly battery pack.
re
I have previously had problems with battery drain, due to apps running in the background.
I also found specific apps like the battery pack, LAN sdio, bluetooth and the camera app, would drain the battery quickly.
Although you can manage closing apps down through settings/system/memory/running programmes I found the app Gigatask http://gigatask.com/ a simpler way to manage tasks.
There are others, but I found this suitable for my needs.
Now when I close an app I know it's closed and not running in the background draining the battery.
I still charge daily, habit now when I get home from work, but I have no worries about battery drain, and it rarely goes lower than 65% for a normal days use.
Cheers, Shire
turning infrared beam recieve off will help a little
:wink:
Hi everyone,
I have having a terrible battery performance for my mini. It seems that just after 2 hours, the battery level drops from 100% to about 80% :shock: . Any idea why? :?
Does anyone else have this problem?
Thanks!
Try to look in Start/Settings/System/Memory ---running programs...you may have some programs running and consuming battery. If U have Pocket hack master it drawn the battery very fast if overclocked and installed!
Regards,
Primoz
Hi Primoz
Thanks for the info. But on my previous device XDA IIs, even with the applications running, the battery life was still ok.
Sigh... perhaps my batt is a lemon... so far it has only lasted 1 day with a full charge!!! :shock:
Hmmm...strange, if the I-mate is new try to replace the battery...cause for me the battery life is about 2 days...in average. If not used much 3-4 days.
Regards,
Primoz
Hmm, perhaps an investigation is in order :?: :
Did you leave your beam receive on?
Are you using bluetooth?
What programs are running, especially today screen plugins?
Hi,
nope, bluetooth is off, IR is off however, I left the SD Card in the slot all the time.
I have also made sure there are no today screen plugins and also programs running in the background.
I just checked.... 1 hour, the battery level drops by 6 % :shock:
This is terrible. I am using XDA II mini... don't seem to see this problem with i-Mates and others though...
anyone with XDA II mini care to comment?
Perhaps it's because your battery is still new. On average, batteries have full capacity and stamina after 10-20 cycles of full charge-full discharge.
Make sure:
Backlight is on low setting.
Bluetooth is off.
Infrared is off.
Power off after x minutes.
Backlight off after x minutes.
I have only had my XDA Mini for 8 days now and my battery life is much better than that.
The phone and PIM gets a good going over during a business day and then a couple hours of WiFi in the evening when i get home and i have never had the battery drop below 30%.
My XDA II used to be flat by the end of the day.
The difference is now that i charge the unit for 7 hours during the evenings as opposed to the XDA II sitting in the craddle during the day.
I have finally given up on charging and recharging the battery. I just sent my mini for servicing yesterday. Apparently, the service folks also think that the poor performance of the batt is due to a faulty power regulator.
Anyways, I was quite disappointed that I got a lemon. They promised me my device back by Friday or Sat.
Will update again on the batt performance once I get it back.... :?
Hello!
I have the same problem and if you know where the problem came from i would be very interesting , to know if i have to send it to repair too or if there is another solution!
Thanks
how do you turn IR off?
To turn of IR....
Start>Settings>Connections>Beam
Uncheck the box which says receive all incoming beams.
Ujj
ujj75 said:
To turn of IR....
Start>Settings>Connections>Beam
Uncheck the box which says receive all incoming beams.
Ujj
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Hmm...strange, because I have read somewhere (don`t remember where) thah if the Receiving beam box is checked it "helps" the battery to last longer... :?
Regards,
Primoz
I just got back my set from the O2 repair center in Singapore. The service tech said that there wasn't any problem and the battery drain is at an ACCEPTABLE rate!
I am still getting the poor battery performance. I can only last 10 hrs max without USING my PDA. I did not even use the PDA function extensively ( at most 20 mins) and did not even use the phone.... yes, all the applications were stopped and even disabled the IR.
I escalated this issue to O2 and they told me that they will check with the tech about the set....
This is terrible!!!! :x .....
Anyone else with this problem? I suspect that this is an hardware / battery issue.
Sigh... hope that O2 can do something about!
to mod: sorry about making noise about this.... but I had to let it out of my chest!
Anyone else with this issue....???
Ian
ianlo said:
II can only last 10 hrs max without USING my PDA.
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Maybe try the backup and hardreset route? Must be something in your settings that's draining the battery.
If I can tell my experience...I never mind if battery is full of charge or it is down...'couse whenever I can, I always connect my S100 to USB for recharging...
Uhm...Do I wrong?
I guess for my type of usage, it is unacceptable to always plug it into the charger.
This is because I am on the move most of the time and once I leave my office in the morning, I would not return home till sometime at night. Need the set to last at least 24 hours!
Sigh... anyone has ideas for a workaround?
I've been looking for an additional battery... where to get one?
Is this particular to O2 sets? Cos I have not been seeing compliants with other vendors iMate, T-Mobile etc..
I have the same problem and have try all software solution(differents roms)!!I will send it to repair and hope i will be more lucky than you.
Wish you all the best too! If you do get it fixed, please let me know so that I can do something about it rather than having to deal with O2!
I am getting quite impatient with them for giving me the runaround!
Hey guys, I'm satisfied with almost every aspect of the prophet, except battery time...
I mean in suspend the battery is great. But what if you want to do any real work on the prophet? This is what I get:
Screen off, Wifi on (useful for skype, IMs etc.)
3.45 hrs from full charge
Screen on, all else off (word processing, games etc.)
3.50 hrs from full charge
Screen on, Wifi on (email, internet)
3.40 hrs from full charge
Now tell me if this is not too little?
This is off course with normal battery.
You could set your screen to the lowest brightness that you can use also set the wifi to its lowest power setting these 2 functiions are the biggest users of power in my view
Radio ON, Wifi OFF, Screen backlight at level 2 or 3 (when outside). Some data connections, few Wifi cnx too (then turned OFF), 1 or 2 syncs using Bluetooth and my SPV M600 battery runs about 5Hrs according to my "upmeter" ( free at http://ae.inc.ru )
You can buy on Ebay a 1800mah bat. (50% more power than the original bat.)
just curious,
do u have phm traylaunch enabled ?
mine sux the juice out of my prophet whenever I enabled the traylaunch..
Is that 1800 mAh battery with extended thickness? if not it might be worth it.
I dont use phm tray launcher. But wifi and display are on quite frequently.
farbird said:
just curious,
do u have phm traylaunch enabled ?
mine sux the juice out of my prophet whenever I enabled the traylaunch..
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I do have PHM TrayLaunch installed but did not notice faster battery drain. Is this something you just experienced or did anyone else comment about this problem?
Battery is way shorter in the Prophet than in any other device i've had before. Same usage of course.
I could live with this limit, but can not stand with some other wm5 imposse on us, such as max size on contact notes field, or the inability to sync via BT.
Am I the only one missing my trusted JAM?
I am not sure its shorter than in other devices of similar features, but I do know for me its not enough. I think the Jam would actually be way shorter with Xscale over omap processor. So no, i would not say you've made the wrong choice.
Not sure what you mean about no synching over BT? It should work fine!
BTW, anyone know about this 1800mAh battery on ebay that apparently does not increase thickness?
try this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9720781998
krale said:
I am not sure its shorter than in other devices of similar features, but I do know for me its not enough. I think the Jam would actually be way shorter with Xscale over omap processor. So no, i would not say you've made the wrong choice.
Not sure what you mean about no synching over BT? It should work fine!
BTW, anyone know about this 1800mAh battery on ebay that apparently does not increase thickness?
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Thanks for your comment.
IMHO battery life IS shorter, as a matter of fact. I know about the OMAP, but it takes two of them, so.....
BT syncing simply does not work. Maybe it's a matter of XP-WM5 combination, but fact is that my prophet "does not find a PC with the active Sync service" Any help on that?
I've been able to get TomTom 5 to work, pair with several headsets and handsfree devices, but no way around the Active Sync issue, no matter what the COM ports or tricks I've tried. I even changed BT drivers from Widcomm to MS in my notebook, same result.
I haven't read about the large capacity battery, but if this is going to be "oversized" or make it heavier, I'd rather would take an extra USB cable around the office or my notebook.
krale said:
I am not sure its shorter than in other devices of similar features, but I do know for me its not enough. I think the Jam would actually be way shorter with Xscale over omap processor. So no, i would not say you've made the wrong choice.
Not sure what you mean about no synching over BT? It should work fine!
BTW, anyone know about this 1800mAh battery on ebay that apparently does not increase thickness?
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Thanks for your comment.
IMHO battery life IS shorter, as a matter of fact. I know about the OMAP, but it takes two of them, so.....
BT syncing simply does not work. Maybe it's a matter of XP-WM5 combination, but fact is that my prophet "does not find a PC with the active Sync service" Any help on that?
I've been able to get TomTom 5 to work, pair with several headsets and handsfree devices, but no way around the Active Sync issue, no matter what the COM ports or tricks I've tried. I even changed BT drivers from Widcomm to MS in my notebook, same result.
I haven't read about the large capacity battery, but if this is going to be "oversized" or make it heavier, I rather would take an extra USB cable around the office or my notebook.
Well just to let the curious know, I received the 1800 mah battery, the one also priced on ebay, with NO thickness increase, and I cannot believe it...
It just keeps going and going and going. I did the same tests as above, and could not get it to run out.
Wifi on (all else off) lasted for about five hours and was still arround 68%
Screen on all else off lasted for about 6 hours from an 85% charge and it was still on 39%...
I mean I know the math 1800 is 50% more than 1200, but I seem to be getting A LOT more than 50%. Any explanations?
Sync via Bluetooth is perfectly working for me.
You have to create a BlueTooth Com Port from your PC. Just follow instructions in ActiveSync Help File.
I can listen to mp3 for more than 4hours with screen off... and with a BlueTooth Headset... Maybe it's draining less power coz it just sends the signal and doesn't have to use external speakers...
hum... the 1800mh battery seems great... is it really good quality ?
I will keep you posted as I keep testing it in the next few days, but so far I'm impressed.
The maker is the same as the original battery (DynaPack) so quality is the same.
The battery is shorter because the phone is always registering on the GSM network.
It has some kind of bug in it.
You can check this by going to Settings > Phone > Network and check that the current network is sometimes flashing "home service" instead of the name of the operator.
rjtd said:
The battery is shorter because the phone is always registering on the GSM network.
It has some kind of bug in it.
You can check this by going to Settings > Phone > Network and check that the current network is sometimes flashing "home service" instead of the name of the operator.
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As in manual not automatic.
CookieKid said:
As in manual not automatic.
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Manual or automatic, it gives the same "****".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKO1xaY1z7Q
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI....092516258&fromMakeTrack=true#ebayphotohosting
anyone seen 2500mah ? I'm trying to find out if it bigger.
2500mah? seems kinda fake to me if it is the same size and thickness as a 1200mah or 1800mah battery.
The 1800mah extended battery is possible because they removed the hard plastic cover on top of the battery so they can fit a slight bigger capacity battery.
these 1800mah batteries (says not dynopack on ad, just chinese copy!) are they much heavier, i have just ordered one, bit concerned they may actually be lithium ion (not lithium polymer)
Hi!
I'm using the latest QTEK ROM with A2DP.
The problem is that my set blacks out at 38% battery power and refuses to power up after that unless I re-connect to the AC for charging. It happens a couple of times already. Any setting(s) in the Universal to check this?
I remember I managed to get the battery level at real low level (less than 5%) previously prior to the ROM upgrade.
Thanks
Hi,
I have a similar problem.
I charged the unit till 100% then reflush the Rom
Regards
JoseF
RE
Hi JoseF
Thanks, however, I'll consider this as my last option
Meanwhile I would like to get more feedback on this issue
Qtek 13077 ROM ????
My i-mate continues to crashes with the battery is less then 43%, apparently the problem occurred when I made the upgrade to ROM Qtek WWE_13077_130176_10900, was looked like that this version has something that change the battery configuration, since Qtek 9000 comes with 1750 battery mAh? I reinstalled the i-mate ROM 1.30.82 and the problem persists?
I made a test leaving the i-mate on, without using the radio until the battery miter showed 23%, then I made a phone call, the i-mate crashes in seconds. Could somebody inform what is the true voltage of the battery in the i-mate is 100% and when it is 10%, in the miter?
I have charged the unit till 100% led = Green, then soft reset, the problem persist?
Now I am 100% certainty that the problem occurred when I made upgrade for Qtek, we needs to investigate what the the Qtek ROM this doing with the JasJar?
Ive 3 batteries
The standard 1620mah dynapack which works fine 100% to flat no worries
A 3200mah extended which will charge to full but dies at 43%
(the guy replaced it with another which did the same thing)
and
A 3000mah which will go flat ok but wont charge beyond 47% and the orange light stays on forever, although luckily it doesnt fry.
has anyone had any of these extended batterys work ok?
Just to add a bit of info, all modern li-ion have a built in fuel guage chip which tells the device its in how much power is left in the cell. so its possable this is a battery issue rather than phone problem
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RE
You may be right about the battery thing
However, I've tested my existing battery to very low level prior to the ROM update without problem
And with other feedbacks in this forum I doubt it could be a coincidence that our batteries are having the same issue.
I would rather think its a ROM thing.
I'll need to test my battery on another Universal before confirming.
I just tried to flash to an older rom but got a country error, there seems to be no old orange uk rom i can find.
Im a bit new to all this rom flashing business and also wanted to try an older rom to check out the camera as im not sure if i have a realy poor camera or if there is a software issue with that in the new orange rom also as one guy in another post is getting far better results out of his camera mines like a real snow storm in the dark parts of pictures
RE
Yes, the new QTEK ROM update does cause the camera quality to suffer especially when in night mode
Well, just have to wait for another ROM update to resolve these issues :roll:
Fosa or Zarn
You have a digital multimeter?
Case yes: You it could measure the voltage of the battery when is total loaded 100% led=green, and when the battery will be flat 0%. This test would be excellent to verify if the Battery power remaining is correct. Currently when my battery is with 3.28V = 55% in the battery power remaining = crashes.
ok, can do, not that it will help much unloaded.
I'll charge the original cell and post the results shortly.
The battery management wont always turn the battery off at the same point as the battery ages it will change. You have to bare in mind that a battery is a little like a piece of rubber the harder you push on it the bigger the dent but when you stop pushing it recovers its shape.
The same goes for the voltage of a battery, when you draw a large current the voltage will drop further than if the device is in standby but once you disconnect the load there will be an amount of recovery
li-ion batterys are far more complicated than they first appear.
The battery is by no means connected directly to the phone.
there is a microprocessor in the battery that controls both charge and discharge via 2 fet transistors, buy doing this it protects you against the battery exploding/catching fire from over charging or over discharging.
As far as im awaire the microprocessor will adjust both switch on and switch off from many variables not just voltage drop.
The phone its self mearly supplies power to the charger built into the battery and draws power from the battery all the measurement and battery managment is within the battery
This is why the battery suddenly just stops and you need power to bring it back to life.
so in theory no matter what the condition of the battery it should always give a full scale deflection from full to empty as the onboard management should know how much capacity is left in the cell and report this via the data lines to the phone
If you connect a bulb to an almost flat li-ion battery you will find little drop in brightness before the battery just cuts power totaly to protect the cell within from over discharge.
Something that springs to mind that hasnt been mentioned here is have you checked all 4 battery contacts are clean? just a thought because the two larger outer pads provide power while one or both of the smaller pads send data on the charge status to the phone.
heres some interesting reading
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm
Intresting reading on the care of li-ion as they dont like being either fully charged or fully discharged..strange eh...
http://www.maxim-ic.com/appnotes.cfm/appnote_number/128
http://www.intersil.com/data/an/AN1174.pdf
two examples of li-ion battery management.
safety law dictates any li-ion that is user replaceable must have one of these little chaps built in.
hope that makes sence
/ramble
RE
Sorry zarn, but I don't have a digital multimeter.
Is your test going to prove that the battery is going to its end of life soon?
How could that be since the Universal is less than a year old? :roll:
At any rate I'll be testing my battery on another Universal without the QTEK ROM update to determine whether its a battery issue or the ROM update issue.
Im just going to do it out of interest... like i said in the previous post its not likely to prove anything except if the guys battery is totaly out of whack
Dear Fosa and Zarn,
I’ve already known those URLs:
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm
http://www.maxim-ic.com/appnotes.cfm/appnote_number/128
I liked very much this article:
http://www.maxim-ic.com/appnotes.cfm/appnote_number/128
However, when I asked to verify the voltage of the battery and without taking it off the charger, I’ve put two tiny wires on the terminal of the battery, in the manner I could verify the voltage without taking it off from the Jasjar. Last night I’ve left it charging until the green-led light and I’ve noticed that the voltage was 4,231V = to 100% on the battery power remaining miter.
I’ve did a test putting the light of 4V to discharge the battery, and at the 2,83V, it disconnected automatically (stopped to supply current). In more or less one minute, it starts to provide energy again, in other words, the protection circuit of the battery is Ok, and is not with this tension (2,83v) that the Jasjar stops, and only when is 3,28v.
I’ve got the feeling that the problem is on the ROM, however I did reinstall the original ROM and yet the Jasjar still crashes at 58% of the battery(= 3,28v).
Before making the upgrade the miter was going from 100% to 5% without crashing.
With the ROM Qtek WWE_13077_130176_10900 the miter shows 100% to 42%, and at this point it starts to crash.
I’ve already bought a new battery just to test it, but it still not arrived from Hong Kong, and as the customs is on strike here in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, I don’t know when I’ll get it.
Until now I think the problem is that the Qtek ROM made some changes on the firmware or in the register of the battery, changing the miter calibration.
Battery results
Im suprised it cut of that low, thats very low for a 3.7v li-ion, thats more what you would expect from a 3.2v.
Anyways, as requested heres the resuts of checking the voltage at various points.
This is using an original dynapack 1620mah battery as supplied by orange with the phone, but its around 3 or 4 months old now so far from fresh.
the meter used was a Avo M801 (not a cheap one though is probably due to be calibrated...)
100%----4.16v straight off charge still warm
75%-----3.93v
50%-----3.78v
38%-----3.76v
25%-----3.73v
10%-----3.65v
5%------3.63v
cutoff----3.58v
Im going to do the same with the extended batterys im having problems with just as a comparison, will post the results here if anyone is interested
Whats going off here...?
I just put one of the extended batterys in which was fully charged..
to be greated with a blank batery bar, and unknown in the chargeing remaining window... unpluged and repluged the charger and was then told battery at 225%
doh.....
Jasjar battery miter
Hi Zarn
Thanks a lot for the table of % * V, now I am certain convinced that the Jasjar miter needs to be calibrated again, I believe that the problem is the DLL or the responsible register for this detail(miter)?
While I or somebody of the forum does not find the solution, I will continue using this way, because the battery still lasts for 24h.
RE
OK guys, bad news
I used my battery which knocks out at 43% from my QTEK 9000 set and put it into another QTEK 9000 set without ROM update and it also fails to boot up unless I connect it to an external power
I hope that QTEK can release a small ROM update to resolve this issue
so hang on..
you put your battery into another non updated rom handset and it still wasnt working properly...
surely that means your battery is at fault not the rom..
cant u borrow the other guys battery for a few hours?
Are these original batterys were talking about btw (1620mah dynapacks)?
or cheap replacements?
RE
Hi zarn,
My battery is the original default battery....the Universal is less than a year old
Could it be that the new ROM update has changed something in the battery...maybe the IC chip in the battery, if any?
RE
zarn,
If you'll read another similar thread you'll find many others with different variants of the Universal facing the same problem after upgrading the new QTEK ROM update with A2DP
Are you saying their batteries are faulty too...such a coincidence?
Am I the only one who finds it apalling?
Today my battery was on red warning by 1 o'clock.
I have 'unlimited' (FUP 1Gb) data and was just doing things - the hone can do so much - but my battery only lasts hours - not the full day I need
Love my Ameo - hate the keyboard (compared to the Universal) and the battery life!
Confucious said:
Am I the only one who finds it apalling?
Today my battery was on red warning by 1 o'clock.
I have 'unlimited' (FUP 1Gb) data and was just doing things - the hone can do so much - but my battery only lasts hours - not the full day I need
Love my Ameo - hate the keyboard (compared to the Universal) and the battery life!
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I have never gotten near exhausting the battery before I am exhausted -- that is 12-15 hour work days. The only time I got close was when I did several presentations using TV-out and forgot my AC power adapter. Right now my battery stands at 60%; it's nearly 7:00p local time and my day started at 4:30a. Didn't do much other than e-mail and phone, but still I have been really pleased with battery life.
As to the keybd, based on what some posted, I was thinking I might go sans keyboard using a soft keyboard like tengo or resco keyboard. In fact the keyboard hasn't bothered me at all. It nicely springs into place when I open the case and types at an OK level.
My biggest complaints are actually the lack of buttons for quick launch... along with the little joystick thingy, which I don't particularly love. The D-Pad on my Wizard seemed more usable. In these two respects my Wizard was easier to navigate. Otherwise, I'm loving the Advantage.
Me too, but ...
I have found mixed results. Some days the battery seems to nosedive and some days when I am expecting trouble its not too bad.
I believe bluetooth really drains the battery. Also when the unit is connected via activesync even though I am using a 'mains powered' dual USB synch cable it hardly seems to charge at all.
However when connected via activesync I use "Screenoff" and this helps a lot.
re keyboard - nothing to be said I just carry the device with me and use TenGO as an SIPS.
HOWEVER while reporting a bug to TenGO (very good people btw) I powered up my old Universal and remembered the old screen size and memory for installed programs - Advantage I love you after all!
Am I the only one who loves the joystick or what? Id take it any day over the D-Pads, dpads are well and good but I find the joystick alot more usable.
As for battery life ive found the biggest drain (as would be expected) is the brightness of the LCD screen. Using default settings the battery life was quite solid (2 days at least, with moderate useage and a fair bit of HSDPA'ing), however to compensate for the poor screen protector that came with it which I applied, I ratcheted up the brightness and sure enough have had to charge it every night since. Which is no big deal for me, but on a day when I have to use VGA out and BT I can see it struggling to make a full day on the highest brightness settings.
TenGo works quite well and the screen is large enough to use VGA SIPs with your finger even, but I still dont mind the hardware keyboard just takes a lil getting use too.
Using any data connection uses a bit more battery than a GSM phone conversation. So if we get 5-6 hours of GSM, then we should get about 4-5 hours of 3G and GPRS/Edge data usage.
However, I have seen that turning down the brightness to 3 steps above the lowest setting yields me a good 6 hours of Edge use. This setting works well indoors or in lower sun light conditions only.
My biggest issue with the device is that it reflects everything. The glare is horrible in high light conditions, almost making it unusable while outside on the street.
Using bluetooth isn't so bad. I've seen it might drain 10% of your battery over a period of 24 hours with no usage except keeping it on.
So, no, I don't find any strange battery patterns with my U1000, at least not yet.
I have push mail enabled so the 3g connection is always on and working. I often have bluetooth on. I still usually get pretty much a full working day without coming close to the battery dying.
However, I do keep the screen on the lowest backlight setting (i.e. one stop away from the end of the scale) and the screen turns itself off after 2 mins.
Try this while charging...
Ive found that when i charge up my Ameo using the USB adaptor to get it to actually charge I:
Turn off bluetooth
Turn off GPRS / 3G data connection
Then i activate WM5torage
This means activesync doesnt try to load up and keep the screen on. I then put the device into standby so the screen isnt on and I managed to get it to charge up to 80% throughout the day.
Otherwise even with bluetooth on and the internet permanently connected i found the battery life to be very good (altho yesterday i could of sworn i charged it up overnight, got to work, played about with the new google maps application, GPS came on, etc, etc, downloaded a few maps, then battery life said 10%! Cant of charged it up the night before. Gonna keep my eye on this)
can I suggest big power users get this
http://www.clove.co.uk/viewProduct....Category=CE3E87A6-CAEF-4504-B115-1B3AA016C2E5
U20 5400mAh external battery/charger. about the size of an ipod and comes with connections to charge device.
Mine does the trick, lives in my bag and is 2.5 times our battery life=3.5 overall.
Should even extend confucious to 5pm.......
I might end up having to get one of those external chargers - but it's yet another thing to carry! Most of the time I can charge it overnight or at the office.
I think it's using the screen that is the problem - I have BT on all the time for my headset and 3G for my push email from my server but it's when I'm I'm browsing the internet / using google maps / using TomTom that drains the battery.
TomTom drains the battery faster than my car charger charges it :|
there are so many things you can do with Athena that it seams a shame not to do them all lol - especially as I've just found the FUP on W'n'W Pro is 3Gb not 1
Confucious said:
ITomTom drains the battery faster than my car charger charges it :|
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That's weird - check the ampage of your car charger.
apd said:
That's weird - check the ampage of your car charger.
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It was a cheap one that has worked with ll my other PDAs and SmartPhones but i have ordered the powered Brodit holder now so I'll wait to see if that's better.
Confucious said:
It was a cheap one that has worked with ll my other PDAs and SmartPhones but i have ordered the powered Brodit holder now so I'll wait to see if that's better.
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I ahve being using a Brodit one for a few weeks (albeit that it was the one from my Exec - I have only just received my Ameo Brodit holder) and it charged the battery no problem, even when using full brightness and internal GPS
My normal car charger charged my Universal OK - but fails with my Athena.
Today I didn't do a lot with my phone - listened to music on the way in with my BT headset, a few texts, push email running. Got it out at lunchtime and battery was dead - it was on red warning but turned itself off - I've been in meetings all mormning so haven't been able to charge the phone.
Something is wrong!
Could it be that the screen isn't turning itself off - I've noticed in the standard case it soesn't always when the keyboard isn't completely closed to the screen - but I am on default settings and the screen should turn itself off after a couple of mins inactivity anyway. Could WMP or something be keeping the screen lit?
Something is killing my battery anyone got any ideas?
I'm wondering if instead of the screen you have an app running in the background that doesn't go to sleep and continously taxes your CPU... could even be WMP... check with a taskmgr program to see what you have running or use another app to check your CPU load.
I haven't heard of the screen not dimming outside of Nav software, but saw plenty of misbehaving apps...
Battery saving while playing music
I have found "screenoff" an excellent help with this both for locking the screen (I now almost always leave the keyboard and case at home ) and for battery saving.
I'm beginning to think its that little screen which is soaking up the power.
Confucious said:
TomTom drains the battery faster than my car charger charges it :|
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Mine too, until...
I had an unbranded mini-USB car charger. When using TomTom, the effect was a net drain on battery power.
Today (and partly as a result of this thread), I tried the branded HTC charger that I had lying around (and that I thought would make no difference). Interestingly, I now have a net gain. (Started at 80%, drove around for an hour, charge is now 90%.)
Seems that all car chargers are not the same.
(Also the HTC charger has a natty, blue lit, logo; much better than the red LED.)
For your charging issues check out :
http://www.pocketpctechs.com/main~u...AE+cable+accessories~item~LSP%2DDUOADPT01.htm
It drastically improves the charging. I bought one then bought them for everywhere.
CPA said:
can I suggest big power users get this
http://www.easydevices.co.uk/pp/HTC...HTC_ADVANTAGE_EXTERNAL_EMERGENCY_CHARGER.html
U20 5400mAh external battery/charger. about the size of an ipod and comes with connections to charge device.
Mine does the trick, lives in my bag and is 2.5 times our battery life=3.5 overall.
Should even extend confucious to 5pm.......
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I'm looking at this one (am spending some time in our captial city next weekend) to extend the time between charges needed. Does this device resolve the 'pin out' problem and keep the phone charged? Has anyone else got testimonials about this? Its a not insignificant £40 so I don't want to bother if it doesn't solve the charge problem mentioned here and elsewhere with the differing pin outs. TIA
hammermedia said:
For your charging issues check out :
http://www.pocketpctechs.com/main~u...AE+cable+accessories~item~LSP%2DDUOADPT01.htm
It drastically improves the charging. I bought one then bought them for everywhere.
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I'm looking at their product but I am confused. they specify that the advantage uses an 11 pin plug to charge when it appears to be a 5 pin USB mini-b connector. I don't know where they get the 11 pin connection from. also they SPECIFY that these adaptors can only be used with their Sync & charge retractable cable (thus implying that they are different from a std USB to mini-b 5 pin cable) this may be the case as I have tried charging my Blueant Z9 BT headset using a generic USB to micro (or mini-b 4 pin) and I get an overcurrent error on my USB port. It appears that the Blueant supplied cable is different.
Any Ideas on the HTC 11 pin cinnector referenced at http://www.pocketpctechs.com/images/items/LSP-DUOPRO01.jpg ?
Joe
Are you on the right page for HTC Advantage?
http://www.pocketpctechs.com/main~u...dvantage+Lil%27+Sync%AE+Cable+Accessories.htm