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Challenge for you.

Hi first thing I will say is this is not for XDA but for SPV E200. I am aware this is an XDA forum but after seeing some of the things you guys have been able to do with the XDA ROM/OS I thought I would ask if anyone in here could help with this problem due to the similarity of the devices and the fact that they are made by the same company, HTC.
I have posted this originally in a Modaco forum for Smarphones but noone is technically capable enough to help.
If you could read the link below and reply if you think you are up to the challenge of hacking the SPV to get rid of this extremely annoying "complete lack of bluetooth range in headset mode" problem.
http://smartphone.modaco.com/viewtopic.php?t=110234&sid=13ac8d9e1da40bc14a4bbff5aeb015e1
Starfury

Come on there must be someone out there?

Advice
Hi,
It is really hard to come up with something because I have no idea about your device
Try to contact your brand reseller and ask him for system updates, or check forums that are dedicated to your device for such updates. System updates can usually resolve such issues in 70% of cases
Try to minimize 3rd party software usage and check your devices again
Try Pocket Bluetooth Tools (both versions; check for url at xda-dev frontpage)
Try to change your coat/case/cover because it might have BT radio frequency reducing effect

The hardware is HTC, just like the XDA.
The reseller is Orange and they are bringing out the C500 to replace it as they have given up on the E200.
Orange have no intention on bringing out any more fixes for the unit.
All I need is for the power to be increased in the bluetooth transmitter when it is in headset mode.

Finding right upgrade
What I propose to you is to check different upgrades:
http://www.msmobiles.com/news.php/2210.html
http://web.orange.co.uk/yourphone/spv2/promo.html?id=SPVE200_ROMCodeUpgrade
http://www.mtekk.com.au/browse/page657.html
... all of them claim about BT functionality improvements

They all have better functionality as in they work with more headsets, but none of them increases the range.
I am on the latest Orange E200 UK release currently. I have scoured the web for a fix and found nothing, hence my last ditch attempt to see if someone can hacl the phone.

What about the rest E200 users
t12345uk said:
I am on the latest Orange E200 UK release currently. I have scoured the web for a fix and found nothing, hence my last ditch attempt to see if someone can hacl the phone.
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And what about other e200 users? Do they have the same problem?
You don't need any hack. If you use your BT headset in BT discoverable mode, then BT radio works at a maximum transmission rate, if in usual BT on mode, then BT transmission is adjusted to the environment (bonded devices)

Please Help

Hi Guys,
I was wondering if you could answer my questions, I have an XDA II with the latest O2 Rom, i also have a Nokia HS-4W bluetooth headset, i wanted to know if it was possible to be able to listen to mp3 or my tomtom Instructions through my bluetooth headset? I love my XDA II but i would love it even more if this was possible, i am suprised O2 didnt include this in their new ROM.
I would appreciate any advice or any URL's that show you can this can be done,
As always thanks in advanced
Kind Regards
nya

Hi,
I don't want to spoil your XDAII experience, but unfortunatley that is not possible... yet...
Huge steps have been made by several good and experienced users on this regard, but there's still a long way to go...
Please use the Search feature, because there are several places in this excelent forum that discuss this and similar issues... :wink:
Good luck!
Rayan

Its the biggest disappointment with the xda 2, I thought I would be able to use bluetooth headset dialling, music etc but it seems it is beyond the capability of those that write the firmware/software to make this possible. I have no idea why this should be as many phones and pda's have this capability.

Thank you for your reply .... its ashame this is not possible...

with the right bluetooth stack it would be possible not in cd quality because of the speed of bluetooth but pretty good anyway
otherwise you could use something like this
http://www.ppcsg.com/forums/viewtop...t=iphono&sid=6d3d546329a09353b6817f1c28cdca86

do you know where i could get the right Bluetooth Stack from ?

with the headset i linked to you dont need a new bluetooth stack
i dont think the current vidcomm bluetooth stack support A2DP which is required for at least stereo sound
this upcomming stack looks like it will support it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=13061

Thanks for your help Rudegar, much appreciated.

Calling all XDa IIi owners...OPINIONS PLEASE

I had my XDA II stolen at gatwick airport last week (sniff sniff) and am now looking to replace it.
From the complete range of HTC PDA's the XDA IIi seems to be tickling my fancy the most but I haven't really come across a single comprehensive review.
So are people who have purchased it happy?
Whilst I am aware that there are problems with the camera I can live with it as long as it is not worse than the XDA II .
So what say you O Ye owners of the IIi?
Cheers!

I got mine last week and I'm honestly torn...
The camera is CR*P, completely so! But as I never used the one on the XDA2 for more than the odd picture message and photo record I'm not particularly bothered - though it's a cheek for O2 to pronounce it as a major step forward when in many ways it's a regressive one.
My major headache is the IR and Bluetooth...IR seems even worse now than on the XDA2 - unless I'm missing something - and the BT stack currently on my phone means I cannot use the O2 BT clip headset (made by iTech) due to this (in my opinion) stupid handsfree obsession. Surely it would be a good idea to have a headset AND a handsfree option that WORKS. I understand on some headsets it works a treat, but given I've got one being sold by O2 on their website I would normally assume it would work.
That said, the 2i is a great phone in itself and if I weren't already spoilt having had the XDA and XDA2 before it, I would be in absolute amazment.
They've finally managed to get the o2activeui thing in a state which isn't too bad and I may even consider keeping it - though it's harder to remove than in the past.
If you have to upgrade which it sounds as though you do given your circumstances, I'd choose the 2i over the 2s...at least the 2i is a better phone spec wise though without the keyboard (gimmick if you ask me).
Hope this helps (helped me to have the rant, anyway).
Cheers
Anthony

Thanks for the feedback Anthony. One thing that's slightly irritating me is a few places i've visited on the net state how previews often have some of the specs wrong on the O2 site it states that the IIi has 128MB SDRam and 128MB Flash......is this accurate?
Have you tried out the Wifi and if so what d'you reckon?
Does the faster processor make a noticeable difference? e.g on my XDA II I was running loads of today plug ins as well as several applications by default I'd do a soft re-set at least once a day
As for the IIs even though when I compare the II and the IIs side by side it doen't appear that much bigger it still has a bulky-ish look about it and I just don't find it appealing enough to contemplate a purchase.
Your feedback on the above would be appreciated
Cheers

This is on the box...
96MB ROM
128MB SDRAM
I have tried out the Wi-Fi and it seems OK to me, certainly it's a welcome feature. However I don't have a Wi-Fi card that I can compare experiences on...all I know is I didn't have one before and now I have a wi-fi connection. That can't be bad.
I don't have enough stuff loaded onto the phone to make a judgment on the processor. With the 2 I had lots of things running such as WeatherPanel and KitaraGenesis - also at one point Pocket Plus. From what I've seen so far the 2i does feel a bit faster...there's also a Turbo feature which does seem to further increase performance.
The 2i is exactly the same size I think, perhaps a smidge heavier. Having said that, if you compare most mobiles these days, the XDA series is no longer heavier than the majority. Besides, if you've got a PDA phone you're not expecting it to be light as a feather.
As I said previously, now you've got no option I would definitely go to the 2i...
Cheers
A

As to theWiFii hadaXDA2 witha SandiskWiFi Card, then changed to the XDA2s, then after 4 replacements i now have a XDA2i, ifind the XDA2i range and speed of reconnecting to WiFi very very good, the XDA2s worked as well asthe XDA2 + SD WiFi Card.
I like the 2ivery much, only problem is i gave away all my XDA2 bits when i got the 2s, so now i have lots of bits for a phone i dont have and a 2i with no spair bits, got i wish i haddent got rid of my old XDA2 bits
i still soft rest a few times aday, but i am used to donigthis now and dont have a problem doing it, The Bluetooth for headsets (jabbra 250) works as well on the 2i as it did on the old XDA2, where as the 2s was total crap
John

4 replacements???!!! care to elaborate?
Applecom, how do you find the camera?
Has the bluetooth improved at all? With my XDA II I also has a Jabra BT250 whilst I found it excellent at close range as soon as the device was in (or out) the metal proporta case and in my pocket I got alot of static...also can you now hear the different ringtones in your bluetooth headset or is it still the same generic one?
Finally, if I get the phone from O2 with their minimum line rental fee it works out to about 407 quid in total....anyone know of any cheaper places?
Thanks for the feedback once again guys.

After hearing about the new XDA2s i purchased a sim free PDA2k, but the microphone on it was crap and the bluetooth (headset) range was like 6 inches after that it sounded terrible.
So as soon as we could get a UK XDA2s we did ( we are a small phone shop) i got it sim free, This was just as crap as the PDA2k, Sothen i did a upgrade to a XDA2s with o2 Select, and of corse this was crap as well
(by crap i mean the mic was terrible people had problems hearing me, and the bluetooth headset only worked if you held the phone next to it, as a PDA it was sort of alright)
so after speaking to o2 about its problems and the fact the keybopard soon comes loose, it was changed probley every 2-3 weeks, never any better for phopne calls but of corse a new one the keyboard is still tight (for a while)
anyway after the 6th phone (4th o2 replacement) i changed it to a XDA2i
The camera in the XDA2i just gives a bigger crap picture, but at leat i can make phone calls on this one and people can hear me, and i dont have to drive down the road with my bluetooth ear piece in and have to hold the phone to the ear piece to use it
John

dear oh dear.....thats the strongest case i've EVER heard for NOT buying a phone... :shock:
Not to get on your nelly but can you now hear the different ringtones in your bluetooth headset or is it still the same generic one?
Cheers
Leroy

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my jabra 250 just makes the ring sound, just like on the old XDA2, no personalised ring tones, despite using IA Caller 1.2

Thank you all for the info
Does the movie function work better?
I know the camera makes a bigger "crap" photo but how is the video? On my XDAII, with all the today plug in's, the thing records crap even at the best settings. With a fresh ROM and nothing installed, I can get a decent video if I set the refresh rate and set it to daylight, (even for night shots), but after I install some programs, no settings can keep it from being choppy and slow or keep the sound in sync with the video.
Believe it or not, the video function, as bad as it is, actually saved my ass from going to jail.. If the XDA2i has better video performance, and it sounds like the BT is better, I want one... Is there any place besides eBay and O2?
Could someone tell us what version of the BT stack it is?
Any body try it with two serial ports yet? (One for a GPS and one for a Printer or POS device (like from Merchantanywhere.com).
Thank you for your time.

the bt stack on my xda2i is 1.0.0.3900

Mine is also 1.0.3900 and I can't use o2's bt clip headset with it....refuses to play ball yet others work fine.
Grrrrr
Need an update to sort this out.

By clip do you mean the earpiece, with a foot of wire then a clip on bluetooth reciever? If you do O2 sent one of them out to me but as i use a jabra 250 i never tried the clip thing.
Would you like me to try it with my XDA2i (also version 3900)
John

Have you made a decision on a purchase yet?
I have both an XDAII and an XDAIIi and would be willing to give some comparitive information regarding them. Or try to answer any specific questions you have about them.
On another note, what alternatives do we have here with regard to a Windows Mobile device?

answering machine software???

hi guys, i couldnt help noticing that when i previously used nokia 6600 (symbian s60) they had few 3rd party that is able to make use of their audio mechanism during callls. for example, one software can make selected background noise for opposite callers so they think that u are at a train station for example when infact u r silently at home. another software is an on board answering machine, which after the phone rang for a few times it answer the fonecall with your automated recorded voice and recorded a msg left by the caller on the fone. this is convenient for us so we dont need to call back our voicemail and reduce cost as well as some telco charge to use their voicemail service. im surprised these kind of software have not came out for our windows mobile device when its already available for symbian. im sure it shouldnt be that hard to make it. any coder expert wanna give it a go??

cutefox, what kind of searches have you made for this software on this board? Did you have much luck?
V

i already tried commercial such as handango and pocket gear.. even freeware sites also no luck.. jus dun understand why no 1 made one yet.. shouldnt b too hard to make one.. it will be a big market to sell such a software for our ppc phone device now that more devices is coming out..

Cutefox: have you tried searching this board? Let me save you the effort, but it'll be a good idea next time. It's not generally considered possible, at least on WM2003 devices because of both hardware and software limitations. It's not that no one has thought of it before: someone seems to think of it approximately every two days... but there are many many threads on this issue.
V

Look at what I said here...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=9761
That sums up why we can't do it using the api's available to us now. The funny thing is the way bluetooth sends the audio stream to a headset. Obviously the data is getting there somehow but I suspect it is not (directly) via windows. Dose anyone know if the radio hardware for bluetooth is connected to the radio hardware for the phone? My guess is that if you could write a program that windows "sees" as a headset then you could get the audio that way. But thats a problem in itself.
I would love this kind of program myself. How is it that such usefull devices with so many capeabilities can be kept secret from us. We can't use the camera, we can't get the cell id on towers, we can't programatically controll the partnerships in blutooth, we cant get the audio stream of our own phone, the events on some ppc's that control brightness are secret..... the list goes on. This kind of #@!!$$ is going to hurt the future of these devices which I otherwise love.

OdeeanRDeathshead: I had read your previous posts, and as ever, very interesting and informative reading. I had the same idea regarding a "dummy" bluetooth device a while back, but mamaich put me in my place!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=179839#179839
V

thanks vijay555, thats what I have suspected about the hardware. What I want to do is a bit different. The bluetooth can communicate to many devices at once. If your program could appear to be a headset to the os, then the phone bluetooth hardware could transmit the audio to the headset at the same time your program uses bluetooth to receive it. Kind of like a loop out of the box to bridge the lack of functionality. This shifts the problem to how dose a hardware bluetooth headset communicate. Emulate this and we are on a winner. I don't think I have the willingness to pull my devices appart. I also do not have the money for some of the hardware (eg good digital oscilliscope) that I would need to measure whats going on. I did read that microsoft are about to expose some new api to allow control over the pairing process (but not the audio stream). I hope that we get some soon.
Is there going to be any new (for 2005) free development tools like the evc versions used today?

OdeeanRDeathshead: re eVC, I don't think so. The "express editions" are free, but they specifically omit the functionality to develop "mobile solutions".
Re the loop back. That's a good idea. I think mamaich is our best bet on schematics, I think that would be very helpful. As you "rave", it's mindboggling that Microsoft still haven't revealed or implemented a way to interact with the audio channels. It must have been one of the first things one could imagine doing once you develop a PDA with a phone stuck on the back of it.
Any idea if the bluetooth stacks could support transmitting and receiving simultaneously in this manner? I know some of the boys are working on alternative bluetooth support for the stereo headset profiles, so they might be able to shed some light on the issues involved. I guess the processor overhead could be hefty, but for the benefit it would be beneficial.
V

SAP connection from Ameo to another Phone

Bit of a noob question here, but is there a way to use SAP to utilise my cellphone's SIM contacts and network so that when I'm indoors I can text and call on the AMEO and then disconnect when I'm out and about. Currently I have to SIM swap as I don't like making calls on the Ameo in public.
Basically I want my Ameo to act a bit like a RSAP car kit....utilizing my phone's SIM list and transmitter when needed. This would not only be very convenient but would I think make the Ameo's battery last a hell of a lot longer as in my experience GSM/3G drains a lot more power than BT.
could the Ameo do this?
Or is it possible to develop a programme to do this?
I trust that someone out there knows.....
(Both handsets support SAP)

is that a no then?! Surprised noone else has thought of this considering the size of the ameo. Does anyone even know if it's possible to 'trick' the ameo's bluetooth stack into thinking it can act as a handsfree car kit? Or would this fall down to the capabilities of microsoft's stack? Come on people.

leoni1980 said:
is that a no then?! Surprised noone else has thought of this considering the size of the ameo. Does anyone even know if it's possible to 'trick' the ameo's bluetooth stack into thinking it can act as a handsfree car kit? Or would this fall down to the capabilities of microsoft's stack? Come on people.
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I seem to remember this has been asked before about 3 or 4 months ago and not reply was received then, either (sorry!)

apd said:
I seem to remember this has been asked before about 3 or 4 months ago and not reply was received then, either (sorry!)
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That's a real shame.
Would be nice to develop a little app to allow this, after all it's manipulability and flexibility like this which has allowed the bluetooth protocol to develop the way it has.
Surely someone out there knows whether it is AT LEAST possible. This sort of development would perhaps also form the possibility of using the HTC shift for voice calls if a similar SAP mod can be developed - as this is the only feature the device lacks!
Come on - I'm gagging for someone who knows about this to give an answer.

leoni1980 said:
That's a real shame.
Would be nice to develop a little app to allow this, after all it's manipulability and flexibility like this which has allowed the bluetooth protocol to develop the way it has.
Surely someone out there knows whether it is AT LEAST possible. This sort of development would perhaps also form the possibility of using the HTC shift for voice calls if a similar SAP mod can be developed - as this is the only feature the device lacks!
Come on - I'm gagging for someone who knows about this to give an answer.
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SAP? You mean the software SAP? I use it with remote desktop. I dont think the software is meant for windows mobile. Also I message my clients using Outlook so there is no real problem. I can be logged into SAP as Admin 24/7 via HSDPA or GPRS.

it was i who created that post about using a SAP profile as a remote phone...
and not a single person chimed in then...
i have done soem extensive research on this subject...
i have found that you need teh development kit for a sim access server (as our phone already has a license)
basicly if someone has a nice car (dump the os) =p
but if we dont have as im access server its not possible...
if someone can get their hands on a sim access server this could very well be a possibility

nuclear said:
SAP? You mean the software SAP? T0I use it with remote desktop. I dont think the software is meant for windows mobile. Also I message my clients using Outlook so there is no real problem. I can be logged into SAP as Admin 24/7 via HSDPA or GPRS.
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No sap in this case means sim access profile. It is the same protocol used by bluetooth car kits which basically allows you to remotely view your contacts and call them or text them remotely. Such a utility would i think be brilliant with the ameo as one could connect to, say a nokia n95 and use its transmitter and phonebook whilst at work or static to make and receive calls and browse the internet, then disconnect when out and about. This would be worlds apart from using a bluetooth headset i think.