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answering machine software???

hi guys, i couldnt help noticing that when i previously used nokia 6600 (symbian s60) they had few 3rd party that is able to make use of their audio mechanism during callls. for example, one software can make selected background noise for opposite callers so they think that u are at a train station for example when infact u r silently at home. another software is an on board answering machine, which after the phone rang for a few times it answer the fonecall with your automated recorded voice and recorded a msg left by the caller on the fone. this is convenient for us so we dont need to call back our voicemail and reduce cost as well as some telco charge to use their voicemail service. im surprised these kind of software have not came out for our windows mobile device when its already available for symbian. im sure it shouldnt be that hard to make it. any coder expert wanna give it a go??

cutefox, what kind of searches have you made for this software on this board? Did you have much luck?
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i already tried commercial such as handango and pocket gear.. even freeware sites also no luck.. jus dun understand why no 1 made one yet.. shouldnt b too hard to make one.. it will be a big market to sell such a software for our ppc phone device now that more devices is coming out..

Cutefox: have you tried searching this board? Let me save you the effort, but it'll be a good idea next time. It's not generally considered possible, at least on WM2003 devices because of both hardware and software limitations. It's not that no one has thought of it before: someone seems to think of it approximately every two days... but there are many many threads on this issue.
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Look at what I said here...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=9761
That sums up why we can't do it using the api's available to us now. The funny thing is the way bluetooth sends the audio stream to a headset. Obviously the data is getting there somehow but I suspect it is not (directly) via windows. Dose anyone know if the radio hardware for bluetooth is connected to the radio hardware for the phone? My guess is that if you could write a program that windows "sees" as a headset then you could get the audio that way. But thats a problem in itself.
I would love this kind of program myself. How is it that such usefull devices with so many capeabilities can be kept secret from us. We can't use the camera, we can't get the cell id on towers, we can't programatically controll the partnerships in blutooth, we cant get the audio stream of our own phone, the events on some ppc's that control brightness are secret..... the list goes on. This kind of #@!!$$ is going to hurt the future of these devices which I otherwise love.

OdeeanRDeathshead: I had read your previous posts, and as ever, very interesting and informative reading. I had the same idea regarding a "dummy" bluetooth device a while back, but mamaich put me in my place!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=179839#179839
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thanks vijay555, thats what I have suspected about the hardware. What I want to do is a bit different. The bluetooth can communicate to many devices at once. If your program could appear to be a headset to the os, then the phone bluetooth hardware could transmit the audio to the headset at the same time your program uses bluetooth to receive it. Kind of like a loop out of the box to bridge the lack of functionality. This shifts the problem to how dose a hardware bluetooth headset communicate. Emulate this and we are on a winner. I don't think I have the willingness to pull my devices appart. I also do not have the money for some of the hardware (eg good digital oscilliscope) that I would need to measure whats going on. I did read that microsoft are about to expose some new api to allow control over the pairing process (but not the audio stream). I hope that we get some soon.
Is there going to be any new (for 2005) free development tools like the evc versions used today?

OdeeanRDeathshead: re eVC, I don't think so. The "express editions" are free, but they specifically omit the functionality to develop "mobile solutions".
Re the loop back. That's a good idea. I think mamaich is our best bet on schematics, I think that would be very helpful. As you "rave", it's mindboggling that Microsoft still haven't revealed or implemented a way to interact with the audio channels. It must have been one of the first things one could imagine doing once you develop a PDA with a phone stuck on the back of it.
Any idea if the bluetooth stacks could support transmitting and receiving simultaneously in this manner? I know some of the boys are working on alternative bluetooth support for the stereo headset profiles, so they might be able to shed some light on the issues involved. I guess the processor overhead could be hefty, but for the benefit it would be beneficial.
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Unable to connect to the Internet via Bluetooth

Guys, could you please help? I have been trying to connect my laptop to the internet using my HTC 9100. I have installed the bluesoleil software, that came with the BT dongle and have also created a BT DUN modem.
The problem is that I cannot make the BT Modem link discoverable to the laptop. When I open Star Menu->programs->Modem link I see three menus. The first one is "Connection" but it only leaves me with the option of choosing between IrDA or USB. There is no Bluetooth to choose from that menu.
Any ideas would be warmly welcomed. I don't know why HTC made it so complicated. I've had SE's, Nokia's and other brands and have never faced such difficulties in connecting.
Thanks in advance for your consideration.
BTW my ROM version is 1.6.7.1

trustworthy said:
Guys, could you please help? I have been trying to connect my laptop to the internet using my HTC 9100. I have installed the bluesoleil software, that came with the BT dongle and have also created a BT DUN modem.
The problem is that I cannot make the BT Modem link discoverable to the laptop. When I open Star Menu->programs->Modem link I see three menus. The first one is "Connection" but it only leaves me with the option of choosing between IrDA or USB. There is no Bluetooth to choose from that menu.
Any ideas would be warmly welcomed. I don't know why HTC made it so complicated. I've had SE's, Nokia's and other brands and have never faced such difficulties in connecting.
Thanks in advance for your consideration.
BTW my ROM version is 1.6.7.1
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Please read the AKU3 Networking Bible (it also has a lot of info on pre-AKU3 ROM's Internet connectivity): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=282780

Thanks, Menneisyys. I am speechless, I have to admit. I read your thread (have to admit didn't get much of the essence )and couldn't believe what I read. Never imagined that a high-end device as an HTC Wizard would be deprived of a function like the BT DUN. Come on! This must be some kind of a sick joke!
I have been using mobile internet ever since our provider started offering this service over CSD some 6-7 years ago (maybe more). Noone had ever heard of BT and GPRS those days. At that time IrDA was quite an advance method of connecting my PC to the phone (good old Nokia 6210). No doubt that BT was a much more advanced method of connectiong and it was only logical for me to switch to BT to keep up with the latest in technology.
And now with a modern device (one Wizard undoubtedly is) in my hands I have to take a huge step back to data cable, because it's more convenient, bearing in mind that I got rid of my IrDA dongle, thinking that I may never have to use it again. Dead wrong! Yes, my laptop does not have built-in IrDA or BT modules, but that mainly because I don't change laptops as often as I change mobile phones.
Anyway, hopefully MS would reconsider this issue and do the necessary to deal with this stupid deficiency.
Just came to me: it is the same with HTC Hermes??? With the UMTS support and everything. Gee....hope it's not

trustworthy said:
Just came to me: it is the same with HTC Hermes??? With the UMTS support and everything. Gee....hope it's not
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Not yet - if you use the standard, pre-AKU3 ROM. It, however, will become a problem with the Hermes too when AKU3 is released.
MS is awre of the problem - I've triggered / provided a lot of feedback on the provate MVBP mailing lists. I'm pretty sure they will reconsider including DUN back in a later AKU.

Thanks, mate. Hope that MS will re-gain their common sense

Questions from a new(bie) Mogul owner

Hi all,
Please go easy on me here, as I have some probably pretty basic questions. I have been digging around the internet (mostly these forums) for the past two days since I got my new Mogul from Sprint running WM6. I had the PPC-6700 prior to this (as I expect most of you had) and I was fairly good at tinkering on that one, but I'm on new ground here with WM6 and a new phone.
First, I am a little confused by all the names.
For sure, I know that this phone can be called the Titan, the Mogul, or the PPC-6800. What I'm not sure of is that some people also call this the Hermes or the TyTn. I figured Titan and TyTn were the same things, but apparently not.
The main reason I'm asking is so that when I am looking for information and posts on this phone, which can I use and which should I disregard. It seems that many of the things posted under the Hermes forum are valid for the Mogul as well, but alas..I'm confused.
Once we get names settled, I'm going to start with only one other question that I have dire need for. I have looked around for answers and most are many months old, so I have to think that there are some more recent findings. My question regards Microsoft Voice Command 1.6 with a BT headset on this phone.
I have installed MS VC 1.6 and paired my new Cardo Scala 800 headset. It seems to work with the following problems:
1) BT quality is not great, including VC voice getting cut off. This is my first BT headset with this phone, and I have read that many people have poor BT quality with this phone. If that's the case, can anyone recommend a BT headset that works well with this phone (preferablly one that charges directly via mini-USB).
2) Confirmation don't work - based on what I have read this is a problem with all WM6 phones with VC 1.6. It appears the only solution is to disable confirmations completely. I have done this and it appears to be able to function. I just want to confirm that there isn't any newer data out there for this issue.
3) Last issue is that I don't get notifications. Meaning, when an incoming call comes in I get the ringing sound, but it doesn't tell me the name. In my searches I came across this posting:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=316881&page=51
It is for the Hermes (again..confused) but contains a zip file with 4 files to copy over the default VC files. When I did this and reset my phone, notifications seem to work. I want to make sure that this is the best way to get VC 1.6 working as fully as possible on this phone.
I really appreciate any feedback you can give.... I have a few more questions, but I'll wait till we get these squared away.
Thanks to all!

Well, I've not been a Mogul owner for much longer than you, and certainly have been a PPC owner less (this is my first PPC), however let me try to answer a few of your questions.
First, the "Sprint Mogul" is Sprint's name for this phone. The phone "codename" of sorts is the Titan, and model is the PPC-6800. Hopefully I got that all right. Bottom line, they all refer to the same phone. Also, different cell companies have different names for phones, so it can get a little confusing sometimes.
Now the TyTN is the same device as the Hermes, aka the 8525. From what I've gathered in my short experience, this is basically the same same phone as the Titan, however, it's the AT&T GSM version. Where we have CDMA and EVDO, it has GSM and HSDPA.
The files get tricky too, and you have to know your way around the system before you try replacing files from other phones. A lot of files (and issues) are general for WM6. That means that any device running WM6 may have these same files, behaviors, or issues. However, with that said, certain files are specific to the network. Some of the things like dialers are coded for GSM on one phone, and CDMA on another. So if you think it might have anything to do with the network, double check before you replace it from another phone that's on a different network. In your case, the voice command thing is general to WM6, so grabbing the files from the Hermes was ok.
The bluetooth? Well, that's a question a lot of us still have. The bluetooth on these phones suck. I've heard a lot of people say it's HTC's fault, and I've also heard a few people say WM6 just isn't good with BT anyway. I personally haven't gotten into what's wrong with it much yet, so I can't tell you exactly the issues, but we can only hope for a firmware and/or software update in the future that will help these problems.
I know that if you look around, I've seen lists where people have listed which BT headsets seem to work well, and which don't. The only I have, and thus have tested, is a Jawbone, and I can report, as well as tell you from reading, it's one of the better BT headsets for this phone. It's a little expensive though, so it's not in everyone's price range. Unfortunately I can't help much past that since I've never used any other, but if you search you can probably find threads like I mentioned and just get feedback from other people.
Also, I've never played with Voice Command, so I can't answer any more specific questions on that subject. Hopefully I helped clear a few things up. As I said, I'm definitely still learning myself, but I've been taking in all kinds of information. I love this phone and don't see how I've survived without a PocketPC before.

Ajerman,
Thanks for your input. Ok that makes sense regarding the AT&T GSM version. I think most of what I will want to tweak will be related to WM6 and not carriers.
Unfortunately my Cardo 800 BT headset is my first headset too, and this is the first time I'm using it with the phone. So, I too don't have anything to gauge it against. I'm probably going to return the headset however as it was advertised as having a mini-usb charging jack, when infact it has a micro-usb. I saw the jawbone, looks nice, but again, I only want a headset that uses a mini-usb jack (too many adapters to carry around).
My next questions (hopefully someone can address), is unlocking the Extended ROM for customization. I did this on the PPC-6700 WM5 with an Extended rom unlocker tool and modified the config.txt in there to automatically install certain apps upon hard-reset.
I need to assist the mobile admins at my company with setting everyone's phone up with some additional settings en masse.
Is it safe to use the same procedures on WM6? I'm probably going to try it anyway but thought someone could point me to a good primer on upgrading my skills from WM5 to WM6.
Any more input is valued!
thanks

Ford Sony connecting to Wizard

Hi,
Just got a new company car and its got a Sony Stereo CD player Speakers Bluetooth and Voice command/recognition
How do I pair my Wizard up. I can detect the radio and pair it, however the radio says no device detected...
Any ideas where to start?
Regards
Barry

bazza1603 said:
Hi,
Just got a new company car and its got a Sony Stereo CD player Speakers Bluetooth and Voice command/recognition
How do I pair my Wizard up. I can detect the radio and pair it, however the radio says no device detected...
Any ideas where to start?
Regards
Barry
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Ford's probably using stereo bluetooth for its connection. You need to enable your phone with A2DP first, then do the pairing. I have had good luck with the Tornado version of A2DP for the Wizard, but only after I overclocked my phone's processor, and made some minor adjustments to the data rates at a registry level.
If you're a noob, you need to do a LOT of reading before trying this, or you'll lose your ability to generate sound altogether. Not as dramatic as bricking your phone, but makes it almost as useless...
Just search these boards, the answers are here. Search.
...and welcome to the XDA Dev boards!

Hi,
Thanks for the reply..was just starting to look at New phones!
My current Rom is 2.21.4.1.WWEwhich is the latest O2 one.
Rom Date3/9/06
Radio 02.07.10
Which Rom would people recommend updating to?
Regards
Barry

...the worm turns.
bazza1603 said:
Which Rom would people recommend updating to?
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Normally, this is where I say, "Start a new thread, for this new question, because nobody is going to open this thread to answer that question."
However, you've asked a question that usually results in the person asking being lambasted (read: flamed) for asking a question that is, in most cases, a matter of total opinion. As has been said many times before, about this subject:
What's best for you isn't what's best for (nearly) anyone else.
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So....that said, I recommend you look at the Wizard Mobile 6 boards, read the Wizard wiki THOROUGHLY, and know your phone very well before you even consider trying to load a cooked ROM, or you will have an expensive paperweight instead of an incredibly useful tool.
Whatever you do, please do not post a question like "What's the best ROM for me?" because only YOU can answer that question, and only after you educate yourself to what's possible, and what your specific needs are.
If you just want to sync your phone to your car, then stick with the A2DP upgrade, and an overclock (OMAPCLOCK via SmartsKey is my preferred method of overclocking). That's my advice, free of charge.

Could anyone help me find a A2DP upgrade. I have honestly hunted, but I am getting confused...
Tried Torbado A2DP without success. I run a 02 Mini S
Regards
Barry

Hi
I have got Stereo headset now showing, but its greyed out for the radio device?
Anyone got any ideas?
Regards
Barry

I would highly recommend looking at JETWare BT Extenstion. It adds a lot of functionality that MS left out of the BT stack.
http://www.jetwaremobile.com/

Hi,
Got it working....
With other phones they were pairing automatically. If you search from the radio
Phone >menu then search, after a long wait it finally pairs...
Installed http://www.jetwaremobile.com/ which may have helped...
Thanks for everyones help.
Regards
Baz

What's the problem with Hero based ROM's and BlueTooth?

Hello.
Before you tell me... I already searched the forum and I can see many posts about the problems with BlueTooth in the Hero based ROM's, but none of these posts I read (I could have missed some, of course) say what the problems are exactly, so I don't know if it can be a problem for me or not.
The only things that I need from BT are connection to the Parrot CK3000 handsfree on my car, and to send/receive files over BT. Ocassionally I will use the Magic as a 3G modem, but I can do it through USB if not working through BT.
Are these BT features affected by these BT problems on Hero based ROM's?
Thanks in advance.

Not sure if this applies to all hero roms but in the 'jacxheroskiv' rom the problem is a missing shared object (just a missing file in the filesystem)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4479554&postcount=96

Hi There
At the moment Bluetooth is problematic on all hero roms for the sapphire or otherwise. Audio head sets (wireless headphones) seem to work ok but everything else doesn't. So unfortunately your car kit won't work. (I have the same one, it pairs but the audio is garbled) File sharing on the other hand is a problem for all the androids so far (There is an app on the market that provides the functionality but it's not as elegant as it could be) so don't expect that to work on hero roms. I haven't tried Bluetooth tethering because WiFi tether works so well. Perhaps someone else could comment.
Now for the difficult part...
So far as I can tell a willing developer, correct me if I'm wrong, could make the Bluetooth work if the source code for the hero was made available (should be available in a few months if the recent release of the sapphires source code is anything to go by) There seem to be quite a number of people who need this functionality so I'm sure one of the rom cookers will get to it but unfortunately there is no way to know exactly when. For this reason I've decided to stick to the ion roms for now. In any event, Touchflo/Sense UI will be made officially available for the magics in due course...for a price of course
On another note any support financial or otherwise is greatly appreciated by the developers so if you want to encourage a particular functionality a few bucks and a friendly message will go a long way. Please remember though that the developers do this kind of thing for the love of it and provide no explicit support for their roms. Any and all risk is taken upon yourself but in most cases caveats will have been picked up by someone before hand.
Sorry if I've mentioned some things you already knew but I thought to add some info applicable to other newcomers.
Enjoy hacking!!

Thanks both.
I guess I'll have to use a non-Hero ROM then. As for the BT file transfer, I've seen at least one Cupcake ROM with it enabled and available as an option in the BT menu. I don't know what ROM it was though, I think I saw it in a Youtube video.
P.S.: I noticed that this thread was moved to "Sapphire general", sorry for put it in "development", I did it for it was related to Hero ROM's. Thanks mods for move it.

A2DP works for my Sony Ericsson HBH-DS205 - music streams flawlessly.
However, the call feature does not work - is this another common bluetooth problem with the HEROs?