Hello,
I have 3 items on my plate and I'd appreciate any feedback regarding them:
1) i'm using a 512 mb card; i was having some difficulty because the memory of the card would only go up to around 300. at first i thought there was a problem with the card itself so i had to constantly erase the contents to make mp3s, files, pics, mpegs, etc fit. then i stumbled upon the pc command for formatting disks; there were 3 options to format the sd card: FAT, NTFS and FAT32. when i used fat32; the behavior was the same and the memory usage would only go up to 300 max. when using ntfs; my xda2 refused to recognie the card (it wouldn't show up in the explorer app). when i formatted using FAT, everything was great. i can now use the sd card to it's limits and am no longer restricted to the 300-mb trouble i was having.
question: what's the difference in the 3 formats? obviously using FAT was the best thing to do, but what's with the other formats?
2) i was having some problems with loading up mpegs in the sd card. i created folders (example: mp3s, movies, pics, etc). naturally i placed the mpeg files in the "movies" folder; when i used pocket tv to play them the files were not recognized. when i used pocket mvp video came out but a sign kept flashing "error in audio". when i loaded the mpeg files straight to the sd card (no folders assigned), pocket tv and pocket mvp played them perfectly.
question: anyone else experiencing this and if yes what's the story? the mp3 files are in a folder and i don't stumble into any issues with those items.
3) anyone know of a good vcd-ripper program where i can extract clips or create my own small mpeg files? i'd like to extract some of the more memorable scenes in some movies...rather than waste space by seeing scenes which bore me.
cheers mates
robson
Some hints
Hi,
i also have a 512 meg sd card for my XDA 1, without any problems.
Try to format the card using the storagetools freeware:
http://www.pocketpccity.com/software/pocketpc/StorageTools-2002-4-5-ce-pocketpc.html
I also have mp3's and mpeg's on this card. Make sure that you use the latest version of activesync to tranfer the files to the sd card or use a sd card adapter (i use a pcmcia adapter).
here is how to produce your own media files for the ppc:
http://www.mathiaspohl.de/mda
There are 2 sections, 1st is about "How to create DIVx files" for the PPC, the second one is "How to create media files" (i.e. wmv) for this.
regards, Koponet
Not too impressed with storagetools.
It only detected my XDA-IIs 14MB of ROM and not my 512MB SD card.
maybe you should try ....
format SD card within external SD reader attached to notebook, using some desktop application ... or try using
http://www.cnetx.com/Format/download.asp
and verify SD media for errors ...
regards, monika
Robson said:
question: what's the difference in the 3 formats? obviously using FAT was the best thing to do, but what's with the other formats?
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FAT (File Allocation Table), FAT32 and NTFS (NT File System) are file systems originally made for disk partitions. FAT (also called FAT16) was the original file system used in DOS and has a partition size limit of 2 GB. FAT32, an extended variant of FAT16, was introduced first in Windows 95 OSR2 and increased the partition size limit to 2 terabytes. NTFS, a totally different file system, was introduced in Windows NT. Unlike the FAT file systems, NTFS has security and transaction rollback features. Random access to a huge file is also more efficient in NTFS. Moreover, while the file size limit on FAT32 is 4 GB, a file on NTFS can grow up to 16 exabytes (16 billion gigabytes).
question to JARGON please
today I have tested sandisk 512MB SD card ....
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I have 512MB SD card and am allowed to fill it up to the full limit of roughly 484MB and not 512MB, ok .. it is a matter of formatting plus a consequence of the fact that 1MB equals 1024kB but I am curious about the other thing .... I remember old times back with IPAQ + PCMCIA sleeve with inserted flash card 1280MB of sandisk - the size written on the back of the card WAS EXACTLY matching what PPC2002 was showing .... 1280MB
to me it seems like either different "disk geometry" or disk format - can anyone explain it to me pls
regards,
monika
An SD card uses a portion of its memory for its security data. That's why you can't use the entire capacity of the SD card. That's also the reason why an MMC, which doesn't have the SD card's security features, has more available memory than an SD card with the same total capacity.
uuups, you are right ...
according to Sandisk SD card manual
http://www.sandisk.com/oem_sd_memorycard.html
user can access only 940,864 bytes plus 10,240 secure area (which are not accessed by user) ... what a rip-off on 512MB card format .. upppps :wink:
regards,
monika
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Is there some way to do this via WM5? Or is there a utility that you need to do it? Is there a freeware app out there that can do this?
My storage card freaked out a little and now isn't showing files that are on there, although it is reporting that the disk space is being used.
I don't have a link on me at the moment, but look around the forum for a program called Storage Tools. It should let you format the card as you wish.
I use my laptop to format the storage card.
spb pocket plus has a format function for the file explorer to allow formatting within the device, otherwise, i have a card reader and use the laptop to format, or my other laptop has a built in memory card reader that can format it.
i think also resco explorer can format the card also, i can check if you havent resolved this yet.
If you have some time read this article.
http://pocketpcmag.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=17921
Cheers
storagetools
That utility did the trick. Thank you.
Experiment a little with your format parameters.
I found that FAT32, 4kb cluster and no Backup fat is the best settings for my specific needs and Sandisk highspeed card.
Lower clustersizes reduce slack (lost space) but increases memory needs and write time. No golden rule here.
Also take a look at this info from msdn: FAT File System Registry Settings
I use a 0x10026 for the flags in the FATFS key.
Cheers
Right now its FAT, I never formatted it, I just jammed it into the device.
Should I format FAT32? Anyone know?
TIA.
Best to stay FAT if you format to FAT32 your device may not recognize your card. If you ever do format it - do it on the device using storage tools or sktools.
I've used only one of my two 1gb mini-SD's to hold PocketMusic program files and MP3's. I think it was formatted FAT to begin with, but I was unable to copy more than 400mb to the card until I reformatted it to FAT32. It then loaded up with MP3's and there have been no problems. I did the formatting on the PC, not the MDA.
Any card >2gb will require FAT32 formatting, as 2gb is the limit for FAT16.
Hi guys
My 2GB Mini SD card is not working. I have a Trinity - Orange SPV M700, I wonder if anyone could tell me how to I fromat it and which FAT system to use?
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I did try to use File explorer and looked everywhere in the Settings section.
I am thinking, maybe I need to use my card reader in the computer or do I have to buy a 3rd party program to do this?
Any idea
Thanks
Using the cardreader in your computer is fine. Use the FAT format, not FAT32.
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Using the cardreader in your computer is fine. Use the FAT format, not FAT32.
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Why not FAT32? I've been using a 4gb miniSD fromatted in FAT32 for months without a problem.
If You don't have a card reader or an adaptor for the Micro-SD You can do it via wm5 storage. FAT32 should be better than FAT.
I also had problem with SD card (2Gb). Then I used one program for formating Panasonic SDformatter an now I don't have problems anymore.
Link: http://panasonic.jp/support/global/cs/sd/download/sd_formatter.html
Try with this program.
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As you may know, the SD specifications are not open but must be licensed and are protected by NDA's. Therefore I pesonally can't say for sure whether or not FAT32 is within the SDA 1.0/1.1 standard, but I would guess that it's not.
It's true that using FAT32 seems to work with most cards and controllers in the PPC world, but apart from eliminating the 512 files limit, I don't really see any advantage over FAT.
FAT32 is not a 'high performance' filesystem, so in terms of read/write speed it doesn't give you anything compared to FAT.
If you use a 4GB non compliant card, then of course you must use FAT32, since FAT only allows for 2GB.
So in short, unless you can't live with the 512 limit, I don't see that FAT32 will give you anything over FAT, and when you use FAT, you are sure to be within the standard.
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...but apart from eliminating the 512 files limit, I don't really see any advantage over FAT...
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Thanx for nice info, if that's true, FAT32 is the only option user may have when formating card, this limit is a way to small !
banesi said:
Thanx for nice info, if that's true, FAT32 is the only option user may have when formating card, this limit is a way to small !
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Please note that 512 is not the limit of the total number of files that can be stored on the card, it is the max. number of entries in the root directory.
The max. number of files that can be stored on a FAT filesystem is 65517.
thank you for clarification, is there a way I can already check in what format my card is formated?
banesi said:
thank you for clarification, is there a way I can already check in what format my card is formated?
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If it hasn't been reformatted since it left the factory, then I think it's safe to assume that it's FAT formatted.
If you want to check, then put it in a card reader and look at its properties (assuming your PC is running Windows).
i'm using Windows XP, but in my computer my pda is listed as a windows mobile phone and if right click the storage card, there's no option to format it...what should i do ?
thanks
hello,
i copied in the morning some folders into sdcard via.. card reader...
then i went off with the card..
on the way.. i found out.. my sd card was empty somehow..
i softresetted, nothing fixed it..
when i refresh and view all files.. i see only strange characters and strange folder names..
and the sizes all together looks like 50 GB.
but in fact the pda tells me.. there is only 1,7 GB free instead 1,9 GB..
my sd card is 150x Adata 2 GB..
how can i fix this .. please help me out.. i dun wanna reformat this card, as i have important files on it.
yup you are the proud owner of a broken partition (very common with Fat16 and mobile devices)
from expereince ive found it happens alot with Fat16 and lots and lots of files (like those found in many of the better games or if you have alot loaded onto the card)
my recomendation is to get to a card reader and get some partition management software ( i like the trial version of Partition manager) and rebuild the partition on the card.
let me know how you go,
You can try downloading PC Inspector File Recovery, and running it on the card. It's freeware, and should work well given your card is formatted with an older filesystem.
http://www.pcinspector.de/file_recovery/UK/welcome.htm
You'll likely have to reformat your card, but at least you'll get your files back. If you do have to reformat, and your device supports FAT32, please format your card in FAT32 instead. It has a higher "tolerance" against this sort of failure.
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You can try downloading PC Inspector File Recovery, and running it on the card. It's freeware, and should work well given your card is formatted with an older filesystem.
http://www.pcinspector.de/file_recovery/UK/welcome.htm
You'll likely have to reformat your card, but at least you'll get your files back. If you do have to reformat, and your device supports FAT32, please format your card in FAT32 instead. It has a higher "tolerance" against this sort of failure.
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mmmk with a broken partition you wont have alot of luck recovering file clusters, at the very least you will recover things that look like file.001, file.002, etc as most recovery programs will recover pure clusters regardless on data.
and yes Fat 32 is good but you will still get partition faults if you load too many files onto the card.
Probably this topic should be in a different place, but In some way is connected to my BA.(Im using xplode's WM6). Ok back to problem. So I have 4gb SD card and I can only copy files on it after format. If I want to add sth on a card files became damaged.(I have only one chance to write files if i want to add sth I need to copy all files back on my pc then foramt card and then copy files back on Card). Problem is connected to my BA because when i copy files on a device and from device on my card(by resco explorer) files are ok(i dont need to format card). So where is the problem??
I wish you understand what I'm talking about
Are you sure you have 4GB SD card and not SDHC? SDHC cards are not supported on BA.
I'm sure. Its weird cause when i copy file from phone memory to storage card files are ok. But whem I'm copying directly from PC to card throug card reader(or wm5torage) files are damaged,unless I make a format but format halps only for one time.
May I know the file system of your SD card?
file system of windows NTFS. System of card FAT32
i had this prob. on my previous card its due to the file format. Beyond 2 gb fat do not works so it goes to fat32 and but these non sdhc card keeps running on fat so this happens. in ideal form the 4gb sd should be 4gb sdhc to work properly.
this causes me to switch to 2 2gb sd card instead of 1 4gb. I also advice u to take backup regularly because u never know when they stop working properly.
so if its file system problem why my 1gb card i working(fat32 as well as 4gb). That could mean that 4gb card is damaged sp why its workin after format and why I can copy from phone without mistakes? Is there any way to change file system on a card? By windows formating i can only format fat32