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Bootloader 5.17 > 5.15

Hi everyone I'm new here. I would like to downgrade my bootloader from 5.17 to 5.15 but am having some problems with the Wallaby patch. First let me tell you what I'm running:
Australian O2 XDA
Rom upgraded to 4.00.01
RSU upgraded to 4.21
Protocol 32S54
Using the XDA Rom image tool I have written the Wallaby patch to a pretech 128 mb card using the 1k header and diagnostics method (I have tried the 3.5k header as well) the program reports that it was succesfull although I can't see the file under file explorer. When I start the bootloader I don't get any message about upgrading and the bootloader reports Card Key Invalid. When I exit the bootloader it Hard Resets the XDA. I have tried reverting to the XDA Developers Rom and interestingly although I get the same invalid key error on exiting the bootloader it only Soft Resets. I am waiting for a serial cable to be delivered and then will be able to upload the previous version via Hyperterminal (I Hope ?) but it would be interesting to know if anyone else has managed to do this and how they did it.
Great Site
Richard

Hi there Richard - I am also in Australia (which might be of significance too??) and am also experiencing the EXACT same problems as you!!! :shock:
I cannot get the Wallaby Bootloader (v5.17) to recognise the ROM Image (via xdarit) and provide the alternate menu options necessary to flash the bootloader?! :evil:
Is it perhaps a region specific issue that we Aussies are unlucky enough to have??
I would REALLY appreciate ANYONE who has some suggestions for Richard and I to provide an alternative means of downgrading 5.17 so that we can uninstall PPC2003 (which is way to buggy IMHO) and go back to PPC2002. Thanks in advance guys and keep up the EXCELLENT site!!!!

Hi Mike
If all you want to do is get rid of PPC2003 you could just run the developers V1.2 Rom setup (I have gone backwards and forwards a couple of times) Personaly I prefer PPC2003. I want to get back to bootloader 5.15 so that I have an alternative backup routine in case I crash the device as obviously in order to run a Program A update the device needs to be working. Having said that there is a USB flash program in the bootloader which might allow the Program A to work I just havn't been brave enough to try it yet. Any one else out there tried it ?
Richard

Hey - thanks for that info Richard - okay, so now I can in fact go back to "bog standard" PPC2002 right? Or will it still be running a non-standard ROM?
What I am worried about is that if I need to send this sucker back to Optus(?) for warranty repairs etc. then they may not be too happy to do anything under warranty if they detect that I have installed a "non-authorised" ROM upgrade (if you know what I mean)?!
So you reckon PPC2003 is okay huh? Are you with Optus or Telstra?
Last question - what is the most efficient (and straightforward) way to back up the XDA if A) I keep PPC2003 a little longer and/or B) if I go back to PPC2002? FYI - I have a 128MB SD card and reader (integrated into my Toshiba notebook as well as cradle (obviously) and the USB Sync cable.
Thanks for your help Rickard (and anyone else that cares to offer any advice) :?

Mike
The Developers Rom is based on the latest O2 UK Rom update 3.17.03 (I think) and basicaly they have crammed all sorts of software into the Rom (Survives hard reset and makes better use of the systems memory) In order to go back to standard you would need a "Asian" image (there on a previous version to UK?) which includes "local" configuerators for GPRS etc. I beleive an update is due out soon so once it is you can install this and Optus will be none the wiser.
Yea I realy like PPC2003 much nicer all round but a bit of shame that some software won't run on it. I'm planning to have a go at a "speical" Rom myself based on the 4.00.01 image.
I'm with Telstra but can't see why Optus would be any different apart from the auto configureration.
Assuming no fix for the bootloader arrives (This is by far the easiest) you can back up you're Rom via Hyperterminal you will need a serial cable to do this. By and large unless you're planning to mess around with you're system there isn't much point in doing anything other than backing up you're Ram (As apposed to Rom) with the SD card backup program included on the XDA
Richard

System crash during radio stack upgrade (PPC2002 -> WM200

I am hoping someone can either point me to pre-existing plain-language instructions to resolve my issue, or they can walk me through the steps.
(I'll say in advance I'm not a developer, but after scanning through these forums, it seems that other people have had my same problem.)
While upgrading my Siemens SX56 from Pocket PC 2002 to Windows Mobile 2003, the handset rang during the first part of the radio stack upgrade. The upgrade subsequently failed, and now, as you might guess, the unit won't even fully boot.
(Note that bootloader confirms problem with "GSM error" message)
What it WILL do is show the AT&T Wireless welcome screen (with the BIOS version in the bottom corner - A.20.4, I believe), and after a long delay, the letters R and G appear above the A. Then the screen clears and the unit hangs.
Based on what I've read here, I think I need to download something to an SD card and then get the unit to boot off of that card, possibly to restore the radio stack. I have the ability to write info to the SD card using another PDA.
Can anyone help? If at all possible, I'd like to avoid packing the unit up and shipping it off to AT&T or Siemens. Like I said, I'm not a developer, but I'm somewhat application-saavy (if there is such a thing), so I'm appreciative for whatever plain-language help members of this forum can afford
TIA -
Sean

Same here !
I just posted a topic w/ the same problem....
I guess it should be possible to flash the GSM stuff from an SD card?

SIM LOCK

HELP .. HELP .. HELP ..
I know this subject is old but I could not what I need & how can I fix it
I have bought a pocket pc with phone edition from USA, and when I tried to insert my SIM card it asked me to but my PIN code, then ask me to but the unlock code (SIM code).
Now I am in Saudi Arabia.
WM2003
ROM Versino: 4.01.16 ENG
ROM Date: 02/04/04
Radio Version: 6.25.02
Protocol Version: 324e4
NOTE: I do not have a serial cable.
Thanks,
HFN[/b]

Check this: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/wiki/UnlockWiz
Hope it help you
Edit:
You have a WM 2003, this link work only for PPC2002

SIM Lock
DariusVE
Thank you for your help, I have tried this site, but It did not work because my device using WM2003 and also has no Wireless Modem feature.
Thank you.

Unlocking Quest
Here's my quest to unlock my T-Mobile PPCPE. I think some of this information might be useful to anyone confused about getting this
done.
First I called TMobile to request the unlock code. Since my account was up to date I figured no big deal right? WRong. My IMEI (or TMFT) number was not in their database so they could not give me an unlock code so they said. They told me to call the manufacturer of the device which they said was Microsoft. Knowing full well this was crap I called anyway.
The support guy got a good laugh; MS does not make devices
like this, they only provide the OS. He recommended I call Siemens.
So I did. Real nice guy named Jack had a good laugh as well. Not only could Siemens not tell me who really made my device (a third party made them for T-Mobile) but even if they had unlock codes they could not provide them because of contracts with TMobile. So I go back to TMobile.
The support people felt really bad about the run around and escalated really high up the chain (or so they said). AFter 48 hours I decided to take my own course. Having had good luck unlocking a Treo 600 through 'alternative means' I figured time to tackle the Pocket PC Phone Edition.
This was MUCH different and much harder to figure out.
After a good 12 hours and a whole slew of reading I finally figured out some stuff. Most of this may seem a no-brainer to some of the more educated XDA people out there but for us newbies maybe it will help.
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The PDA side of the ppcpe and the radio/phone/gsm side are two totally different animals (not a surprise to some). When you refer to the 'operating system' you're talking about the ROM
like the XDA Developers special edition or any of the ROMs from the ROM kitchen at http://lumpistefans.dyndns.org/. The Radio or RSU (for Radio Stack UPgrade) is totally separate from this. The other variable is the bootloader version (Wallaby in my case).
Now my goal was just to use the XDAUnlock program. When I ran the program right from the defaults I got 'error getting unlock code.' All the posts I read said put on the special edition rom and you'll be fine but that did not do the trick. Still got the same error message.
Here's what I started out with:
ROM: 4.01.16 ENG
Radio: 6.25.02
Wallaby booatloader: 5.22
What finally worked:
Radio: 6.24.00
ROM: 3.17.03 ENG (xda special edition)
then upgraded bacdk to 4.01.16 ENG
Wallaby boot loader 5.15
How I did it
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I meandered my way through this to eventual success and since the dratted device now works fine I'm leery about putting it all back to the old way and doing it all over again. Therefore use this process as a guide only, not a definitive instruction set. Also I walked through this as a troubleshooting exercise so some steps may not have been necessary. I eventually succeeded but maybe went the long way around to do it.
References
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- Bootloader utilities: Get to this by holding down the power button and pressing soft reset. You may have to hit the contacts button to get into the menu if you don't see it right away (like if you see a simple GSM OK message at the bottom of the bootloader display.
- Cold boot: the reset swtich on the right side bottom of the device with a picture of a red battery with an \ through it. This disconnects the batter from the mainboard and trashes all the data on the device except the Operating System in ROM.
What I grabbed
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- XDATools
- XDARit
- ActiveSync (I used 3.7.1) and connection by USB cable
- Wallaby bootlolader version 5.15 files
- XDA Developers Special Edition ROM
- RSU 6.24.00 files
- XDAUnlock.exe
- SD Card (mine is 128 MB but I think as long as it's bigger than 64MB or your current memory in the device you're OK)
- pnewbootflash_40116.exe
All of these files are available here on xda-developers.com, just
search for them.
First back up everything. Not just using the sda backup tool, from the boot loader. You can do the SDA backup if you want, consider it backing up your data. You can also do the ActiveSync backup if you want to save your data. In my case all my data is stored in Domino so I don't
give a hoot about the data on the device. Your mileage may vary!
Second I'm doing ALL of this with no SIM chip in the device. THis may or may not be necessary.
Stick your SD card into the PDA. If it complains about wanting to format it go ahead and let it format the card unless you have stuff on it you want. I'd recommend dropping anything you want from the card onto safe media and just working with it as a blank the rest of the way through because it's easier to just wipe the card in between some steps.
Go to the bootloader utilities. Hit Contacts button and you'll get the boot loader option stuff. If the bootloader utilities you get to right away takes you to a menu with things like Boot+CE-->SD then you don't have to worry about hitting the contacts button. You only need Contacts button
if when you get to the bootloader screen you see nothing more than
some nice colors, the bootloader version and "GSM OK" message.
Take the Boot+CE-->SD option to back everything up. This will take a few minutes.
Once it's done pull the SD out ofthe ppcpe and stick it into your SD card reader.
Bring up xdarit and chose your removeable device.
If you have more than one MMC slot select the different ones until you get one that says 'wallaby' in the hex codes at the bottom of the XDARit screen. You'll be writing out two files, the first is the NB0 file (which is the bootloader) and the second is the NB1 file (which is the OS or ROM). Name these something like original.nb0 and 1.
Wipe the SD card (format FAT).
Stick the SD card back into the pda and soft reset, then cradle it.
Go to a DOS prompt and CD to where you put 'pnewbootflash_40116.exe.'
Type 'pnewbootflash_40116 nbl515.nb0' to write the wallaby 5.15 boot loader to the device. If when you downloaded the 5.15 bootloader you called it something else (like 'wallaby_boot_loader_V5.15.nb0'
you should of course use that name instead!
The output looks like this:
D:\XDAtools\binaries>pnewbootloader_40116 bl515.nb0
Copying D:\XDAtools\binaries\itsutils.dll to WCE:\windows\itsutils.dll
in FindFlashInfoOffset
protection found at 8c0d60f8
result: 00000000 00000000
Now..why did I downgrade the bootloader? At this stage I'm troubleshooting why I get the 'error getting unlock code' message running XDAUnlock. I've got three variables I know of, bootloader, ROM and Radio Stack. I chose to start with the bootloader because
some posts out there say boot loaders 5.17 and higher have some checksum that keeps certain ROMS from working properly. Perhaps if I'd started with the radio stack I'd have been done right away and saved a few hours but all the posts about possible device destruction made me start with the bootloader! Again, your results may vary!
Next I changed the ROM to the XDA Developers special edtion.
Make sure the SD card is in the PDA and cradle it.
Run OSIMagetool and load the ROM file in the first box, chose SD Card in the second box.
If you downloaded the special edition ROM you might
have some luck using the Installer that comes with it but apparently that
does not work with ActiveSync 3.7.1. I got messages that said it could not access the device or no connection etc. Instead I used OSImageTool to load the NK.NBF file included in the distribution. Note that to get to this file you DO have to unzip the EXE file you download!
Once complete pull the pda out of the cradle.
Hold power+soft reset to get the boot loader menu. This should show up as 5.15 now. It will automatically detect that the SD card contains a ROM that can be flashed to the device. If for some reason it does not automatically detect this maybe you have to hit Contacts. I did not have
to do that, it just told me to hit Action to download the ROM.
Hit Action button (aka the jog button) to write it to the device. This will take a few minutes, go grab a beer or two or three. I took the safe route and connected power to the device while writing the flash.
Once it's finished cold boot the device. I waited 2-3 minutes before re-engaging the battery.
Here's a gotcha. On the right side of the SIM there is a little switch. If the rubber door for the sim is not totally closed you can't get the device to boot. This switch is real small so it's very possible to miss it. You can see it fine if you take the back off the device (which I determined from a post here that told you how to get the battery out).
When it boots you should have the 5.15 wallaby booting the xda special edition. Follow the instructions to calibrate the screen and you're ready to move on.
Now if the radio is 6.25.02 xdaunlock won't work, it just generates the 'error getting unlock code' message. You have to downgrade the radio to have this work.
There's lots of posts around here that say don't screw with the radio because if it errors you've got a fried device. I imagine this is true so balance how bad you want to unlock the device against the possibility of totally frying the device. I've done two radio upgrades in my life on the PPCPE, both were OK but again, caution is advised.
Grab the 6.24 radio zip and unzip into a folder on your computer. Use activesync to copy the files to \windows on the device.
Execute the rsupdate.exe program to reprogram the radio to 6.24. WHen completed soft reset the device and go into start-settings-system-device info to make sure you're at 6.24 radio vesion.
Copy the xdaunlock.exe to the device and execute. It should say 'you're device appears to be SIM Locked, would you like to remedy this?" click Yes to unlock the device.
Now the device is unlocked. You can change the ROM to WM2003 now if you want (which I did). I imagine you can re-upgrade your bootloader
and radio stack if you want but I'm leaving well enough alone for now!

Hi ALL
I did unlock my phone thank you all.
Spicial thanks to "rhodwyn".
Best regards.

Works!!!
Thanks !!! Its working!!!

help in getting all the files needed....
Hi,
I would like to try this.... but where can I get the file pnewbootflash_40116.exe? Or is this a file that I'll create?
rhodwyn,
I would appreciate some help in getting most of the files.
Thanks in advance.

It worked for me too, thanks for the great solution, rhodwyn!

Thank you rhodwyn and everybody... my 2 cents
I love this site and I think that everybody does a great job. I found rhodwyn’s post to be very comprehensive and it is the one that ultimately helped me out this time. I don’t know if anybody is even interested anymore, but since I’ve been helped, I figured that I’ll try and help someone else. I assume that you’ve already read rhodwyn’s post.
I had the same starting configuration. I did everything that he suggested except for changing the bootloader and it worked perfectly. So, as he suspected it was enough to downgrade the radio stack and to load the special edition ROM. I subsequently upgraded my ROM and all is good (although I haven’t upgraded the radio stack and I’m not sure if I will).
I’ve read other posts about problems downgrading and upgrading the RSU and the 1% problem… I had a problem the first time I tried and I became very nervous, but I looked at rhodwyn’s post more closely and placed rsupdate.exe into PPC’s \windows folder and tried it again and was successful.

thanks
rhodwyn
10 minutes and done

Error while trying to updgrade to new ROM!!!

Hi all,
Im new to this Universal forum since i recently got my MDA PRO ( Universal or JASJAR) from ERA mobiles-Poland. I have a few questions and would appreciate if anyone of you masters could answer them for me.
1. Firstly why do all the programs work so slowly??? I assumed that adding some new softwares slowed the system down but did a hard reset and found that there was hardly any improvement. i previously owned a Himalaya and it was much faster with the same software as in the MDA PRO. How can i change this and make more memory for running applications??
2. Is there an option where i could answer a call via the speakers by just lifting the screen of the phone?? i often answer a call with the hood closed and have to open the hood and press the "Speaker On" function before i can use the function. Im not sure if anyone has had this thought and a solution has been found.
3. I managed to download the new ROM from this forum and tried to update it on my machine but got an error " Invalid device" - Kindly contact your operator for the right update. my question is how can I update to a new ROM when running the maching with an excisting one? my device is from an operator in Poland but i would like to upgrade to a new ROM.
4. Lastly is it true that updating the device to a new ROM will increase memory and effeciency of the device or is a ROM update only developed for certain regional functions and software setting??
5. My last question is on my device desktop i can see 8 unread emails. when i select this the machine totally hangs and i have to do a soft reset. is there some way i can change this and reset the problem. Also can anyone tell me how to uninstall a email account once it is created?
my device information is :
ROM Version : 1.20.37 WWE
ROM Date : 12/04/05
Radio Version : ------ ( No information)
Protocol Version : ------ ( No Information)
ExtROM Version : 1.20.129 WWE
Hope to hear a reply soon as i am dying to make a few changes.
Venk

1. to fix most of your problems, upgrade your ROM.
2. Might be better to get a bluetooth headset. Preferably stereo one if you listen to music.
3. If it doesn't belong to the maker of your device (like you bought a QTEK and wanna flash an IMATE ROM) go to the wiki.xda-developers.com It is all explained there.
4. Increased efficiency. Maybe better memory handling but not necessarily more memory.
5. Upgrade the ROM and it will erase everything, even the 8 emails. Just make sure they are not there when you synchronize. Maybe the rom update will help.
P.S. Your ROM is almost 1 YEAR OLD!!!!! Pls. upgrade.

I keep on getting a country error when trying to do it, even though I've used the unlocking program on the XDA. What do I do?

trapper said:
I keep on getting a country error when trying to do it, even though I've used the unlocking program on the XDA. What do I do?
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What Unlocking program? For Country ID Errors, there is a topic on this, PLEASE USE THE SEARCH BUTTON!
Hint: Use MaUpgradeUT_NoID.exe

My HTC TyTN does not detect any SIM cards.

I have a TyTN which I ordered from the States and live in Australia. When I put in my current phones SIM GSM/GPRS card the TyTN starts up by displaying the HTC logo and the following numbers at the bottom of the screen:
M 05
S 04 No GSM
B 05 D 1.18
For a brief second the No GSM pops onto the screen and then the machine boots up. It displays the little aerial at the top of the screen with the exclamation mark. It seems to do that weather there is a sim card in it or not.
I went to Telstra and tried a 3G card but it did the same thing. I also tried an Optus card as well and it also did nothing. After looking through this site I noticed that I do not list a radio or protocol version as everyone else’s does, or is it only listed after the network has been detected?
If I run the phone program and go to menu > options it does nothing but display ‘Unknown SIM status. Only emergency calls can be made without a PIN.’ This message is displayed regardless of weather or not there is a SIM in the machine or weather it requires a PIN. I cannot find any way to ask the machine to detect a network or choose from a number of networks or review status or settings.
Any information or advice would be much appreciated. :roll:
Regards,
Steve

From reading what you have put, it sounds like your device has no Radio Rom, or if it does its corrupt.
If you are in a posistion to return the device to where you got it from I would do that first.
If you cant (aka ebay etc) then I would try reflashing the phone with the appropriate rom and it should overwrite all the rom, radio rom and extended rom leaving you with a working phone.

Put the device in bootloader mode (press POWER and SIDE OK together and at the same reset with stylus), connect to it using mtty and once you see the "USB>" prompt type "checkimage".
You should see the Radio Image CRC checksum there and will be able to diagnose if there's any problem with it. For more info read this wiki page:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_BootLoader

Thanks guys.
Unfortunately it's not really an option to return the unit. I would rather sort it out myself if possible.
Pof,
I took your advice and put the device in boot loader. The screen came up with a series if coloured bands of red, green, blue and white. In the red band were the following details:
HERM200
IPL-1.00
HERM200
SPL-1.04
I ran the MTTY app. and it came up with the results that you can see in the attachment.
I suppose my next question is “where to from here?” Is it possible to reinstall the ROM of the same version I currently have or is there some other way to turn on the radios ROM?

ACCA001 said:
I ran the MTTY app. and it came up with the results that you can see in the attachment.
I suppose my next question is “where to from here?” Is it possible to reinstall the ROM of the same version I currently have or is there some other way to turn on the radios ROM?
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I see this error in your attachment:
Radio Image CRC checksum = Checksum: Wait interpreter timeout 0x0
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Looking at your signature I guess you're using HTC 1.18.255.3 07/22/06 English rom, right? This rom is available on the FTP, check it here:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Upgrades
Try to upgrade it, and let us know if you have any problems after the upgrade.

I've had the same problem with one of the earlier units. No GSM. I've reflashed it with shipped ROM and it worked for a day. Then, one of the phone calls got interrupted and after soft reset - NO GSM again. At this point it would not reflash at all - was stuck at 4%. Good luck to you, but I strongly advise to replace this unit ASAP.
Cheers

Thanks Pof and ID64,
I downloaded the ROM and tried to reinstall but had the same problem that ID64 explains. My problem is it stops at 1%. The instructions say this is not a problem just soft reset or pull the battery out. Unfortunately you end up in a vicious circle and it keeps freezing at 1%. I even downloaded a different ROM to see if that would help. Unfortunately it did not.
As mentioned I bought the unit from an online vendor in the States. It’s taken so long to determine that there is a genuine fault rather than a config problem that I do not know if I can return it. I may have to test HTCs ‘worldwide warranty’. Does anyone have any experience with claiming warranty? I wonder if it’s easier to contact Taiwan rather than trying to send it back to the States? If anyone knows the best course of action please let me know.
:?:

Try going into bootloader and typing "set 14 0" to reset the unit to default values before you return it.
If you want to know exactly why the upgrade fails you can sniff the USB port while trying to upgrade using HHD USB Monitor, in the "complete" view you'll see the error message coming from the device. Export it to .txt and attach it here if you want some feedback about the error.
Good luck!

Thanks all,
ID64 I took your advice after trying to load the ROM. It would get to 1% and freeze. I tried the Dopod ROM and it would get to 14% then freeze.
I contacted the supplier (in the States) and he agreed to replace the unit once it was confirmed faulty. I had to send it to Denmark. I have just been informed that the unit is indeed faulty and they will send me a new unit. It is due for dispatch shortly. I will let you know once I have received it and it actually works.
Thanks again all. You were able to provide enough info for me to determine that the unit was genuinely faulty rather than a simple setting or software issue.
Cheers.

Similar error
I have a similar error to the one above with my T-Mobile Vario II. It is intermitant and can be resolved for a time by a soft reset.
The output from running the same test above gives;
IPL CRC checksum = 0x1C4C8E67
SPL CRC checksum = 0x921BC30
CE CRC checksum = 0x3766505C
ExtROM CRC checksum = 0xBC294D4A
Radio Image CRC checksum = 0xF0BF1EF5
Does this indicate that it isnt hardware?
Can anyone offer any suggestions to what may be causing this?
The problem seemed to appear when I changed away from the standard shipped radio ROM.
Thanks
Aidan