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There's two type of ROM upgrades: Operating System ROM upgrades and Radio Stack Upgrades.
Radio Stack Upgrades:
Radio Stack upgrades are distributed by the devices resellers. They come in packages with names that may or may not include "Programme B" or "RSU", and they are usually about 2 MB in size. Version numbers are a mess, and lower version numbers do not mean earlier versions. There's at least three different paths of version numbering out there, and the version number on the file doesn't always match the version number displayed at boot and by 'Device Information'.
The official Radio Stack Upgrade process is a mess. We've seen way too many people wreck their devices doing nothing weird or strange. Our advice regarding Radio Stack upgrades is to get them from your own device provider (so you know it's for you type of device: 900/1800 or 900/1900 MHz), and to only upgrade if you know the upgrade will fix known issues that are bothering you.
Operating System Upgrades:
Operating System upgrades are distributed by the resellers in packages whose names may contain "Programme A" or "RUU" (to confuse things, RUU stands for "Radio Unit Upgrade", even though they do not upgrade the Radio part but the PDA part). Operating System upgrades are usually 15 MB in size, and unless you use our utility 'adaptROM', they will only install on phones sold by specific resellers in specific markets.
In this community, the OS is sometimes also distributed as .nb1 file, for use with our XDArit tool. These files are often zipped to about 15 MB, uncompressed they are 32MB (well: 32 MB minus 256 kB actually).
We've seen a number of people doing terrible things to their devices by upgrading their OS ROMs. Here's what we've seen:
- It appears someone is distributing an EXE file for the PPC2003 ROM that contains a part of the OS in the spot where the bootloader needs to be. People that use this EXE to upgrade to 2003 may experience problems immediately or later on, possible making their device unusable.
- We've observed our XDArit tool in the hands of people that should not be using it. If you don't know what a DOS box is, or think you can rename .nb1 files to .nb0, or if you generally do not feel technically proficient, do not use XDArit. It's as simple as that.
(We also blame ourselves for this: XDArit is very counter-intuitive in some parts, and is long-due for an overhaul....)
- Apart from the above, there seem to be problems for people getting back from PPC2003 to earlier versions of the OS. We've been busy doing other things, and we haven't really researched this yet.
- It seems the exe files Jeff makes are OK, and if they aren't, people would know pretty quickly. We advise against running exe-files from others until we've found what causes this 'bootloader mangling' we've observed.
Thanks for your warnings. I just checked my device information. It reads rom version 3;14.06 ENG, Rom date 10/01/02, Radio Version T313. Being not technical at all. Your advice is not to upgrade the Rom or de radio version.
But that leaves me with some problems. F.i. when I try to synchronize with Outlook on my pc. I keep losing mails. The only mails being synchronized at all are those from my inbox. A series of attachments cannot be converted and there is no way to know which mails they are in. I was also hoping that a rom-update would solve my constant memory-lack.
Are there any other solutions?
Upgrade Fails
We have been upgrading some ATEK's with success, but we have two that don't want to upgrade. The message is:
"Can not open COM/USB port...." \\Can someine help...
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scalci said:
We have been upgrading some ATEK's with success, but we have two that don't want to upgrade. The message is:
"Can not open COM/USB port...." \\Can someine help...
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:wink: it's same problem that i have but the slution is download the XDA-dev's XDAtools.exe and cook your ROM then save it on your SD-card
for me it's work 100% my Qtek provieder in Saudi Arbia said that you can't downgread ROM after you do upgread but what ?? it's work
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Upgrade radio fail
Thanks for the advice. Unfortunately I read it a bit too late.
I download ROM from O2 site, program A (3.20.06ENG) and program B(4.21). Upgarded my xda with program A, after reset it works. When upgrade the radio program B it hang for half hour. After reset the xda does not boot!
Is there a way i can flash back the ROM so that i can use back my xda?
Original version ROM 3.17.03ENG and radio 3.14.
Thanks in advance.
After upgrad radio from 4.16 to 4.21, My O2 does not reset or hardreset normally. After a long process, I get a blank screen with only input icon on the lowwer right corner. How to fix it now?
problem solved.
inaccess said:
problem solved.
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How have you done it ?
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pcloo said:
Thanks for the advice. Unfortunately I read it a bit too late.
I download ROM from O2 site, program A (3.20.06ENG) and program B(4.21). Upgarded my xda with program A, after reset it works. When upgrade the radio program B it hang for half hour. After reset the xda does not boot!
Is there a way i can flash back the ROM so that i can use back my xda?
Original version ROM 3.17.03ENG and radio 3.14.
Thanks in advance.
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I did the exact same thing and had the same problem. anything I could do to had my xda up and running again?
thanx in advance
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darkdragoon said:
pcloo said:
Thanks for the advice. Unfortunately I read it a bit too late.
I download ROM from O2 site, program A (3.20.06ENG) and program B(4.21). Upgarded my xda with program A, after reset it works. When upgrade the radio program B it hang for half hour. After reset the xda does not boot!
Is there a way i can flash back the ROM so that i can use back my xda?
Original version ROM 3.17.03ENG and radio 3.14.
Thanks in advance.
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I did the exact same thing and had the same problem. anything I could do to had my xda up and running again?
thanx in advance
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If you push the power buttom and than do a hard/cold reset do you get a bootloader ???
If so you need a storage card and put a good rom on it.
Read more on this forum
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I got a problem yesterday night, while trying to updgrade the ROM with the XDA developers Special Edition ROM v1.2, I got the message from the tool saying it will take up to 5 min and a scroll bar appeared on the XDA and not removing it from its base.
But I accidently removed it (in fact, I caught my foot on the damn wire and everything went to the floor).
Now nothing works, except the diagnostic bootloader when I reset and press on button. Hard reset changes noting.
The screen when I hard-reset it shows the scrollbar that was displayed when I tried to upgrade it.
ActiveSync does not recognize it anymore (PC beeps when the XDA is put in craddle, but it does go further).
Any idea how to put back original ROM content ? I have backup of the content made with Active Sync.
I own a SX-56 and subscribe to Rogers AT&T; I guess my config is identical to a AT&T phone, as it's written on top
Any suggestion will be welcomed
Bernard
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droletbe said:
I got a problem yesterday night, while trying to updgrade the ROM with the XDA developers Special Edition ROM v1.2, I got the message from the tool saying it will take up to 5 min and a scroll bar appeared on the XDA and not removing it from its base.
But I accidently removed it (in fact, I caught my foot on the damn wire and everything went to the floor).
Now nothing works, except the diagnostic bootloader when I reset and press on button. Hard reset changes noting.
The screen when I hard-reset it shows the scrollbar that was displayed when I tried to upgrade it.
ActiveSync does not recognize it anymore (PC beeps when the XDA is put in craddle, but it does go further).
Any idea how to put back original ROM content ? I have backup of the content made with Active Sync.
I own a SX-56 and subscribe to Rogers AT&T; I guess my config is identical to a AT&T phone, as it's written on top
Any suggestion will be welcomed
Bernard
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You need a storage card (32 MB or more SD or MMC will do) and a reader/writer for it,
than write a rom on the card, put it in your devices an start the boot loader, than if everthing went good it will ask you if you wanted to update the rom.
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Weezer-DC said:
darkdragoon said:
pcloo said:
Thanks for the advice. Unfortunately I read it a bit too late.
I download ROM from O2 site, program A (3.20.06ENG) and program B(4.21). Upgarded my xda with program A, after reset it works. When upgrade the radio program B it hang for half hour. After reset the xda does not boot!
Is there a way i can flash back the ROM so that i can use back my xda?
Original version ROM 3.17.03ENG and radio 3.14.
Thanks in advance.
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I did the exact same thing and had the same problem. anything I could do to had my xda up and running again?
thanx in advance
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If you push the power buttom and than do a hard/cold reset do you get a bootloader ???
If so you need a storage card and put a good rom on it.
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Yes, I got the Wallaby bootloader and it said GSM failed.
Pls show me where about I could get more info on the forum.
ThanX in advance.
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Weezer-DC said:
droletbe said:
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Now nothing works, except the diagnostic bootloader when I reset and press on button. Hard reset changes noting.
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Any idea how to put back original ROM content ? I have backup of the content made with Active Sync.
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Any suggestion will be welcomed
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You need a storage card (32 MB or more SD or MMC will do) and a reader/writer for it,
than write a rom on the card, put it in your devices an start the boot loader, than if everthing went good it will ask you if you wanted to update the rom.
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Any place/URL to look for such thing as the ROM and the writer ? How much should I expect ?
Thanks for your help
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droletbe said:
Weezer-DC said:
droletbe said:
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Now nothing works, except the diagnostic bootloader when I reset and press on button. Hard reset changes noting.
...
Any idea how to put back original ROM content ? I have backup of the content made with Active Sync.
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Any suggestion will be welcomed
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You need a storage card (32 MB or more SD or MMC will do) and a reader/writer for it,
than write a rom on the card, put it in your devices an start the boot loader, than if everthing went good it will ask you if you wanted to update the rom.
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Any place/URL to look for such thing as the ROM and the writer ? How much should I expect ?
Thanks for your help
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Now everything works ! And this accident "forced" me to buy an SD, so I will not be so limited by the 32Mb limit
Thank you very much
help needed....
i hard reseted my qtek 1010 .... its like 30mins ....and am still gettin 4 bands white red greem blue... is that normal ...that hard reset take this much time... if this si not normal ... what should i do next
Bootloader not recognising sd card image
I am having the same problem. When pressing power and reset, bootloader shows v 5.17 GSM fail.
I have an sd card which has a new bootloader and nb1 file on it. I do a reset with the card in the slot and i get the same screen v517 GSM fail. From what i have read i should be getting an option to upload the new rom.
Can some one help me out please?
If I currently turn the device on normally activesync does not recognise the device.....
The sd card I have was configured using the xdirt programme and it appears to have worked as the sd card is shows not formatted now...
Thanks for all the info and warnings, just got my XDA II today and Im not too hot with it yet so I guess I will be leaving the ROM's alone for the time being
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Radio Stack Upgrades:
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We have several system where the GSM rom is toast. Is there a way to get a GSM Rom to SD w/o using the PC Monitor program?
The systems will successfully bootup and we have tried loading the GSM rom using RSUpgrade, but it fails after 1%.
Is there any other way to recover the GSM Rom?
You may try speaking to Cgigate on this forum, he has hardware methods of programming the chips directly, whether it works for the radio stack as well as the bootloader and rom you will need to ask him.
Hi everyone I'm new here. I would like to downgrade my bootloader from 5.17 to 5.15 but am having some problems with the Wallaby patch. First let me tell you what I'm running:
Australian O2 XDA
Rom upgraded to 4.00.01
RSU upgraded to 4.21
Protocol 32S54
Using the XDA Rom image tool I have written the Wallaby patch to a pretech 128 mb card using the 1k header and diagnostics method (I have tried the 3.5k header as well) the program reports that it was succesfull although I can't see the file under file explorer. When I start the bootloader I don't get any message about upgrading and the bootloader reports Card Key Invalid. When I exit the bootloader it Hard Resets the XDA. I have tried reverting to the XDA Developers Rom and interestingly although I get the same invalid key error on exiting the bootloader it only Soft Resets. I am waiting for a serial cable to be delivered and then will be able to upload the previous version via Hyperterminal (I Hope ?) but it would be interesting to know if anyone else has managed to do this and how they did it.
Great Site
Richard
Hi there Richard - I am also in Australia (which might be of significance too??) and am also experiencing the EXACT same problems as you!!! :shock:
I cannot get the Wallaby Bootloader (v5.17) to recognise the ROM Image (via xdarit) and provide the alternate menu options necessary to flash the bootloader?! :evil:
Is it perhaps a region specific issue that we Aussies are unlucky enough to have??
I would REALLY appreciate ANYONE who has some suggestions for Richard and I to provide an alternative means of downgrading 5.17 so that we can uninstall PPC2003 (which is way to buggy IMHO) and go back to PPC2002. Thanks in advance guys and keep up the EXCELLENT site!!!!
Hi Mike
If all you want to do is get rid of PPC2003 you could just run the developers V1.2 Rom setup (I have gone backwards and forwards a couple of times) Personaly I prefer PPC2003. I want to get back to bootloader 5.15 so that I have an alternative backup routine in case I crash the device as obviously in order to run a Program A update the device needs to be working. Having said that there is a USB flash program in the bootloader which might allow the Program A to work I just havn't been brave enough to try it yet. Any one else out there tried it ?
Richard
Hey - thanks for that info Richard - okay, so now I can in fact go back to "bog standard" PPC2002 right? Or will it still be running a non-standard ROM?
What I am worried about is that if I need to send this sucker back to Optus(?) for warranty repairs etc. then they may not be too happy to do anything under warranty if they detect that I have installed a "non-authorised" ROM upgrade (if you know what I mean)?!
So you reckon PPC2003 is okay huh? Are you with Optus or Telstra?
Last question - what is the most efficient (and straightforward) way to back up the XDA if A) I keep PPC2003 a little longer and/or B) if I go back to PPC2002? FYI - I have a 128MB SD card and reader (integrated into my Toshiba notebook as well as cradle (obviously) and the USB Sync cable.
Thanks for your help Rickard (and anyone else that cares to offer any advice) :?
Mike
The Developers Rom is based on the latest O2 UK Rom update 3.17.03 (I think) and basicaly they have crammed all sorts of software into the Rom (Survives hard reset and makes better use of the systems memory) In order to go back to standard you would need a "Asian" image (there on a previous version to UK?) which includes "local" configuerators for GPRS etc. I beleive an update is due out soon so once it is you can install this and Optus will be none the wiser.
Yea I realy like PPC2003 much nicer all round but a bit of shame that some software won't run on it. I'm planning to have a go at a "speical" Rom myself based on the 4.00.01 image.
I'm with Telstra but can't see why Optus would be any different apart from the auto configureration.
Assuming no fix for the bootloader arrives (This is by far the easiest) you can back up you're Rom via Hyperterminal you will need a serial cable to do this. By and large unless you're planning to mess around with you're system there isn't much point in doing anything other than backing up you're Ram (As apposed to Rom) with the SD card backup program included on the XDA
Richard
Hi developers,
first of all I'd like thank you for your excellent work. I used a couple of roms and really appreciate your efforts.
This time I updated my device from WM 2003 (4.00.01 ENG, Radio 4.21.00) to the T-Mobile release whitout radio update, posted in this forum by Aurora13. After a backup of my data and removement of the T-Mob. stuff like suggested by Aurora13, I noticed that my backlight was turned of and I couldn't turn it on again either.
So I tried to downgrade again, because working without backlight really is a pain, by I'm unable to.
Not depending on which ROM I use, I get the message: "error getting device data" (CMD.exe) & "execute remote communication program error" (prog. a 1.09).
My active sync (WinXP) seems to work.
The device & telefone seems to work either.
How can I fix this?? Any suggestions?? I'd really like to go back to 4.00.01!!!!
Thanks in advance!!!
If you restored your applications from a former version of WME 2003 you will see this happen. I don't know what registry setting or file is getting changed but after a restore from say 4.00.01 or 4.00.05 backups (I use SPrite Backup) you will see this phenomenum occur after a soft reboot no backlight. Do a hard reset and resinstall your applications and all will work fine.
error in CMD.exe window after T-Mob 4.00.10 update
Hi developers,
I have similar problem, I’d like to go back to 4.00.005 too.
Using the ROMkitchen_4.00.05.exe, in the CMD.exe window I got an error message:
“error: GetConnectionType – An existing connection was forcibly closed by the remote host.
error getting connection”
My activesync seems to be working properly.
What has gone wrong? How do I fix it?
Thanks in advance
Experienced the same with the backlight.
So NEVER do a restore from a different ROM!!! Alway do a clean install.
error in CMD.exe window after T-Mob 4.00.10 update
Do a hard reset and resinstall your applications and all will work fine.
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Always do a clean install.
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So in plain words: how do I do that when this occurs during the flashing-procedure :
“error: GetConnectionType – An existing connection was forcibly closed by the remote host.
error getting connection”
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It's not only the backlight, the problem is the "execute remote communication program error" which makes flashing the ROM impossible .
I used do update with *.exe-files which won't work out anymore :evil: . Can anybody post a step by step guide how to fix it and go back to the ROM before :? (Which would obviously be the best)?
Or does anybody know which registry key has to be changed to fix the backlight :idea: ?
Thanx!!!
Does it work OK after a hard reset?
Because you shouldn't have to go back, do a hard reset and do a clean install of your apps and 4.00.10 should work ok.
Thanx Aurora13,
it now seems to work !
I'm on 4.00.10 again with all the T-Mob. stuff and backlight working.
In my case, going back to 4.00.01 and restoring my backup seems to be less time consuming than doing a clean install (would loose adress book & calendar).
I actually can't spot a lot of differences besides the version numbers in the OS anyway :? .
:evil: But trying to do that, I still have the same problem with the cmd.exe:
“error: GetConnectionType – An existing connection was forcibly closed by the remote host.
error getting devicedata (cmd.exe)”
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and
"execute remote communication program error" (prog. a 1.09).
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:evil:
Seems to me like a serious bug that I can't flash my ROM with the USB-cradle anymore :x .
Anybody any suggestions how to get rid of this OS-version without SD-card-writer?? I'd really like to have evrything working again like it was before!
Thanks a lot in advance!!!
Most importantly: do not upgrade to a T-Mobile ROM 900/1900 MHz (American) ROM on anything but a 900/1900 MHz phone. The T-Mobile ROMS contain the RSU phone upgrade, which will run as soon as WinCE boots. You will ruin your 900/1800 (European/Asian) phone if you do.
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Could that be the problem that I'm unable to fllash my ROM again?
You will ruin your 900/1800 (European/Asian) phone if you do.
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What does that mean?
"What does that mean?"
i suspect it means that your xda will only work in US
untill you find some way to flash it back to the 900/1800 gsm mode
which is used in EU and much of the rest of the world [/quote]
untill you find some way to flash it back to the 900/1800 gsm mode which is used in EU and much of the rest of the world
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Anybody know how to do that when unable to flash ROM due to
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“error: GetConnectionType – An existing connection was forcibly closed by the remote host.
error getting devicedata (cmd.exe)”
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"execute remote communication program error" (prog. a 1.09).
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Only via XDArit?????????
if it can be flashed using the sd flash card and you have an sd flash card reader / writer for the pc it would be possible
Similar discussion going on here:
http://www.xda-developers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2134
T-Mobile update 4.00.10 sucks!!!
@reiggue
4.00.10 does not suck.
The problems you are experiencing are not real problems but a lack of knowledge on your side.
If you asked how to solve them I can help you to solve EACH one. But you are not asking, but only being negative.
As with all ROMs if you don't know what you are doing, then don't do it.
If you read this forum more securely, you already got answers of a few of your problems:
- How to go back to an old ROM
- Removing the TMobile stuff
- Backup of previous version does not work
All the answers of the above and how to solve them you can find in this forum.
So use the knowledge of the people of this forum and don't be so negative.
I want to second Aurrora13's statement. Over and over in this forum it is stated that you should not attempt these ROM updates if you don't have an SD reader. Sometimes it is the only way to save your bacon (XDA)! If a user insists on ignoring sound advice, then he shouldn't complain about suffering the consequences.
In general, the more experienced users on this forum provide good advise and are more than willing to ehlp others. Personally, I think this forum is awsome!
We all know we are taking risks but being techno-junkies we jump in there trying to improve our XDA's and learn more about its capabilities and ways to improve it. I hope when the next majore WME phone becomes available (I'm hoping for the TI WANDA, though XDA II will probably be first) that we are able to do the same with it.
4.00.10 user wanted to revert back to old rom
You need to use SD card reader to revert back to older rom, Activesync doesn't work properly in windows, even you had sync with your windows.
I had the same problem before, but I found out this 4.00.10rom is more stable then others WM2003roms.
Please follow Aurora13 instruction,removing a few item under program/AIM -/Tmobile and if you have radio signal problem You might want to try to bootloader setting 900/1800 or 900/1900, it works for me.
This is my second time flashing v4.00.10 and I'm using XDA asian unit.
Good Luck.
:lol:
@Aurora13
You might be right in me being negative.
As I read through the forum, there are other people experiencing the same problems.
I think that people should be warned to use the 4.00.10 version instead of hyping it, because, you might agree on that, you loose the ability to go back to an old ROM via activesync, which is the most convenient procedure so far.
I didn't know that I lose this ability, especiallly after performing 4 successfull ROM-updates so far with ROM from this site. That in fact frustrated me.
I agree that the information provided in this forum should help restoring the old ROM.
To close this message, I'd like to thank everybody in this forum who contributes to help fools like me, obviously not knowing what they're doing! This forum is great and I don't want anybody to get the impression I'm blaming anybody else for my faults.
Thanx!
imho then buying a SD reader is a pretty good idea no matter what
they come in versions which read 6 or 7 different flash types so one can also read ones digi cams card if it's a different type
and they are only about 50$ or EUro or something like that
i'm sure getting 2->3 flash readers one of these days
@reiggue
Yep this forum rules big time.
If you check the Sticky thread:
http://xda-developers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1624
There is already enough warnings for the 'beginner', that's why I didn't warn it can be dangerous.
But enough said, good luck with your downgrade and/or if you will stay with the 4.00.10 ROM I'll be glad to help solving some problems you may experience or talk you through the downgrade.
I appreciate your assistance, Aurora13!
Thanx! :lol:
For those of you in the UK - I bought an SD card reader (only reads SD and MMC cards) from PC World for only £6.99 - I've used it to change ROMS back and fourth several times on four XDA's without incident so far - I bought it after an activesync update (genuine O2 upgrade) went horribly wrong and trashed my XDA. I think that everyone "playing" with these ROMs should get one.
I wanted to install one of the ROMs from www.yorch.net. But before doing so I have some questions:
1. If I choose to build ROM as an installer.exe, is installing it to my device as simple as running the .exe file? (of course with the device connected thru Activesync)
2. Is my present ROM (see specs below) supported?
3. If Murphy comes to visit and I screw up, will my phone be completely unusable or can I just reinstall old ROM, do hard reset and everything will be back to how it was?
My specs:
OS: Pocket PC ver 3.0.12039
ROM:3.20.06 ENG( 07/30/03) (O2 Asia I think since I bought it here in the Philippines)
Radio: 4.21.00.
Thanks
1 as far as i know yes havent don it to my own device yet though
2 a rom dont have to support a rom since it'll overwrite it
3 of cause merphy can also show his ugly face
but if all fails a sd flash reader writer can save many a tears
also if your phone is working ok then i would not mess with the
radio stack and beware because some roms include the radio stack
and if you try to update your radio stack to a US (900/1900) and you network is 900/1800 you could be in for a world of pain
ROM upgrade step by step
OK I'm really dying to give it a go but I'm just a overly cautious bloke. So I'm gonna outline what I interpreted (after reading lots of posts I think I'm getting it but not sure) to be the way do the upgrade. Please correct me if i'm wrong:
Equipment I have:
1. My notebook (Windows XP, Activesynch 3.7)
2. O2 XDAI
3. Cradle and USB connection.
Steps that I think I should take:
1. Place XDA on cradle and make sure it's connected with PC.
2. Backup?? (not so sure what to back up since contacts, calendar, notes are synched with outlook, docs are also synched, I have copies of cab and program files since I download them to PC before installing them to XDA.) If i'm missing something please slam a frying pan (this is a kitchen right?) on my head.
3. Go to www.yorch.net, check mark on all appropriate options, then (since I have to Unix box and dont know Unix at all) just go for the easy option of cooking the .exe install file.
4. Assuming, the .exe is downloaded to my PC. This time I just run it. I expect this to be just like installing PPC apps. If not, throw a tomato on my face
5. Assuming everything worked and Murphy's in the Arctic freezing his A**e off, then all I do now is hard reset.
6. I have a new ROM and I'm singing happy-happy-joy-joy.
To the wonderful people at xda-developers, am I in the right direction or am I as lost as Bill and Ted? If I'm lost, is there a step-by-step guide for non-unix programmers? (Sorry, there was a sticky but I thought it was for people with Unix boxes)
Once again, thanks for all your help and your patience.
2. Backup?? (not so sure what to back up since contacts, calendar, notes are synched with outlook, docs are also synched, I have copies of cab and program files since I download them to PC before installing them to XDA.) If i'm missing something please slam a frying pan (this is a kitchen right?) on my head.
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well i can think of one thing to backup and thats your current rom
so if you dont like the new rom you are getting you have the option to go back
of cause if the rom you have now is downloadble from a place you know like your isp then maybe it dont matter
Thanks for the reply. That's a good point. Question: When you back up old ROM, is it just the ROM that gets backed up or is it the whole content of the device, like how you do in PCs?
Also, since no one, besides you, has made any comments regarding the steps that I outlined, is it safe to say that they are the correct steps?
Thanks
When you backup your ROM, no stuff that you customised will be in the backup - the backed up ROM will be the same as when you received it from your retail shop, or if you upgraded, it will be the upgraded ROM without any of your stuff. Do a backup and store it on your hard disk.
DON'T use the .exe cooked ROM, use a .nb1 or .nbf, and use XDA Tools from this site to do the upgrade. It's very easy that way, and less dangerous. Don't upgrade your radio stack unless you know exactly what you're doing, or your phone supplier has made an update available just for you.
If you use a T-Mobile ROM above version 4.00.05 it blocks the XDA-Tools from updating the ROM. At that point you need to use XDARIT (from this site) to low-level write the ROM image you have onto your SD card using an SD card reader which shows the card as another drive on your computer. Once you do that you need to boot into the boot-loader (press the reset button while holding the power button) and follow the prompts to restore from an SD card. If you're unlucky and are running bootloader 5.17 (or above I think) you need to write the bootloader diagnostics patch (wallaby patch from this site) onto your SD card first before doing the boot into the bootloader thing. You can then remove the SD card, write the O/S ROM onto it with XDRIT, and put it back into your phone while it's still sitting on in diagnostics mode. Then you can restore from the SD.
It sounds complicated, but it's easy, as long as you have an SD card reader, and as long as you don't mess with trying to update the bootloader or do an unknown radio update. There's lots of info in these forums if you get stuck.
I made a thread that summarised all the steps using the new tools and ROM's at this address : http://xda-developers.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=3860. It's for Asian/European users, but if you are in the US the instructions are the same, except instead of using European 900/1800 radio you use 900/1900.
Further questions on ROM update
Thanks. It's becoming clearer and clearer. Have more clarifying questions:
1. How do you know whether or not you're including the radio stack with the ROM upgrade at yorch.net. I did not see any options there.
2. At www. yorch.net, nothing happens when I press the "Build ROM Now" command button. Is the download supposed to happen in the background or is there something wrong with my PC or the site?
3. I dont think I'm using the T-mobile ROM but how do I know if I'm runing bootloader 5.17? Is bootloader 5.17 only for T-Mobile users or all?
Once again, thanks for the help and bearing with a newbie.
2. At www. yorch.net, nothing happens when I press the "Build ROM Now" command button. Is the download supposed to happen in the background or is there something wrong with my PC or the site?
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it should start to write some text about the progress of making the rom
and when it's finished then it should init a std download dialog
The meter down at the status bar does move, same as when you're loading a webpage, then it says Done. That's about it. Didnt see any other messages or dialogue boxes.
Can anyone confirm if it's up today or has it been down?
Thanks
PS. Tried to email using the email utility at the website but getting errors there as well.
OK, firstly to answer your question about Yorch's site... well it worked for me in getting all the ROM's I wanted, then when I went back again the download didn't work. I guess it's just on and off, so unless Yorch finishes getting married or someone else makes another kitchen it's a matter of pot luck. You can get away without using the kitchen if you can find another download source for ROM's, whether it be FTP or whatever. Just remember if you get an exe you can usually pull it apart with winzip to get the .nb1 or .nbf out of it.
Now, for Q1 :
An operating system ROM is generally just under 32MB, but when zipped from Yorch it's usually about 14 or 15MB - the operating system ROM will NEVER be smaller than that. I'm not sure about the exact radio stack size but I know it's a lot less than that. Also, doing some homework about the operating system ROM helps. eg. reading about the 4.01.00 ROM tells you that it's not a radio stack upgrade, it's an operating system upgrade - and the filename and the size of the file you receive reflects that.
Q2:
answered above...
Q3:
I think the bootloader is just pot-luck depending on when you phone was released. To check your bootloader it will reset your device completely, but I read somewhere that if you turn the radio (phone) off it doesn't hard reset. If you're worried, do a full backup first. But basically when you're ready to look, reset your phone while holding the power button and it will tell you the bootloader version. Don't be too turned off by that, I have read that SD card readers can be picked up very cheap if you look around, and that's all you need to get you out of trouble regardless of the bootloader version.
There's no real risk (but I won't guarantee anything), just make sure your phone is fully charged before mucking about with SD upgrades. Also make sure the radio (phone) is switched off before upgrading... using the bootloader/sd card method you shouldn't need to be concerned. I'm not sure what effect having your phone on and receiving a call while using XDA-Tools can have, but someone did mention it somewhere.
I'm a newbie too, but there's really not much you need to know, just a few caveats.
Yorch's Kitchen has been working OK for me the last couple of days. It takes maybe about 5 mins to "cook" before telling me that the ROM is ready. The 4.00.05 ROM gave me a lot of ActiveSync problems, so I went to the 4.00.16 ROM tonight and it looks like it's behaving better.
My SD reader is a Microtech Zio. It appears as a disk drive in windows, but the newer XDArit can't initialize a connection to write to the SD card. I used the "dangerous" older version of XDArit instead (available on Yorch's site), and it's worked OK for me (so far?).
One thing I wish I had realized before I started playing - going into the bootloader will reset your phone most (some?) (all?) of the time.
While I was flashing the ROM tonight I could see the GSM light flashing - I had the same "hope no one calls" feeling tht others must have had. Note that this was while I was flashing from an SD card in the bootloader - so apparently the process doesn't deactivate the phone while it's ongoing.
Muchas Gracias!
Ebswift, if ur a newbie then ur the god of the newbies. Thanks for all the help and for making me see the light. Much appreciated...
A quick Q:
Is the process for installing an .nbf file the same as that for installing an .nb1 file?
I have cooked a few ROMS to an .nb1 format and installed those OK, but now I have one in .nbf that I'd like to install.
So what I'd plan to do is put the nbf onto an SD card using XDArit, and then stick the card in the PPCPE and reboot to the loader. Is that it?
So what I'd plan to do is put the nbf onto an SD card using XDArit, and then stick the card in the PPCPE and reboot to the loader. Is that it?
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You can do it that way (onto the SD card), or if you're not already using a T-Mobile ROM you can use XDA Tools which is easier. Basically the capabilities are spelled out for you with the available file types in the drop downs when you select a source.
HELP .. HELP .. HELP ..
I know this subject is old but I could not what I need & how can I fix it
I have bought a pocket pc with phone edition from USA, and when I tried to insert my SIM card it asked me to but my PIN code, then ask me to but the unlock code (SIM code).
Now I am in Saudi Arabia.
WM2003
ROM Versino: 4.01.16 ENG
ROM Date: 02/04/04
Radio Version: 6.25.02
Protocol Version: 324e4
NOTE: I do not have a serial cable.
Thanks,
HFN[/b]
Check this: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/wiki/UnlockWiz
Hope it help you
Edit:
You have a WM 2003, this link work only for PPC2002
SIM Lock
DariusVE
Thank you for your help, I have tried this site, but It did not work because my device using WM2003 and also has no Wireless Modem feature.
Thank you.
Unlocking Quest
Here's my quest to unlock my T-Mobile PPCPE. I think some of this information might be useful to anyone confused about getting this
done.
First I called TMobile to request the unlock code. Since my account was up to date I figured no big deal right? WRong. My IMEI (or TMFT) number was not in their database so they could not give me an unlock code so they said. They told me to call the manufacturer of the device which they said was Microsoft. Knowing full well this was crap I called anyway.
The support guy got a good laugh; MS does not make devices
like this, they only provide the OS. He recommended I call Siemens.
So I did. Real nice guy named Jack had a good laugh as well. Not only could Siemens not tell me who really made my device (a third party made them for T-Mobile) but even if they had unlock codes they could not provide them because of contracts with TMobile. So I go back to TMobile.
The support people felt really bad about the run around and escalated really high up the chain (or so they said). AFter 48 hours I decided to take my own course. Having had good luck unlocking a Treo 600 through 'alternative means' I figured time to tackle the Pocket PC Phone Edition.
This was MUCH different and much harder to figure out.
After a good 12 hours and a whole slew of reading I finally figured out some stuff. Most of this may seem a no-brainer to some of the more educated XDA people out there but for us newbies maybe it will help.
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The PDA side of the ppcpe and the radio/phone/gsm side are two totally different animals (not a surprise to some). When you refer to the 'operating system' you're talking about the ROM
like the XDA Developers special edition or any of the ROMs from the ROM kitchen at http://lumpistefans.dyndns.org/. The Radio or RSU (for Radio Stack UPgrade) is totally separate from this. The other variable is the bootloader version (Wallaby in my case).
Now my goal was just to use the XDAUnlock program. When I ran the program right from the defaults I got 'error getting unlock code.' All the posts I read said put on the special edition rom and you'll be fine but that did not do the trick. Still got the same error message.
Here's what I started out with:
ROM: 4.01.16 ENG
Radio: 6.25.02
Wallaby booatloader: 5.22
What finally worked:
Radio: 6.24.00
ROM: 3.17.03 ENG (xda special edition)
then upgraded bacdk to 4.01.16 ENG
Wallaby boot loader 5.15
How I did it
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I meandered my way through this to eventual success and since the dratted device now works fine I'm leery about putting it all back to the old way and doing it all over again. Therefore use this process as a guide only, not a definitive instruction set. Also I walked through this as a troubleshooting exercise so some steps may not have been necessary. I eventually succeeded but maybe went the long way around to do it.
References
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- Bootloader utilities: Get to this by holding down the power button and pressing soft reset. You may have to hit the contacts button to get into the menu if you don't see it right away (like if you see a simple GSM OK message at the bottom of the bootloader display.
- Cold boot: the reset swtich on the right side bottom of the device with a picture of a red battery with an \ through it. This disconnects the batter from the mainboard and trashes all the data on the device except the Operating System in ROM.
What I grabbed
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- XDATools
- XDARit
- ActiveSync (I used 3.7.1) and connection by USB cable
- Wallaby bootlolader version 5.15 files
- XDA Developers Special Edition ROM
- RSU 6.24.00 files
- XDAUnlock.exe
- SD Card (mine is 128 MB but I think as long as it's bigger than 64MB or your current memory in the device you're OK)
- pnewbootflash_40116.exe
All of these files are available here on xda-developers.com, just
search for them.
First back up everything. Not just using the sda backup tool, from the boot loader. You can do the SDA backup if you want, consider it backing up your data. You can also do the ActiveSync backup if you want to save your data. In my case all my data is stored in Domino so I don't
give a hoot about the data on the device. Your mileage may vary!
Second I'm doing ALL of this with no SIM chip in the device. THis may or may not be necessary.
Stick your SD card into the PDA. If it complains about wanting to format it go ahead and let it format the card unless you have stuff on it you want. I'd recommend dropping anything you want from the card onto safe media and just working with it as a blank the rest of the way through because it's easier to just wipe the card in between some steps.
Go to the bootloader utilities. Hit Contacts button and you'll get the boot loader option stuff. If the bootloader utilities you get to right away takes you to a menu with things like Boot+CE-->SD then you don't have to worry about hitting the contacts button. You only need Contacts button
if when you get to the bootloader screen you see nothing more than
some nice colors, the bootloader version and "GSM OK" message.
Take the Boot+CE-->SD option to back everything up. This will take a few minutes.
Once it's done pull the SD out ofthe ppcpe and stick it into your SD card reader.
Bring up xdarit and chose your removeable device.
If you have more than one MMC slot select the different ones until you get one that says 'wallaby' in the hex codes at the bottom of the XDARit screen. You'll be writing out two files, the first is the NB0 file (which is the bootloader) and the second is the NB1 file (which is the OS or ROM). Name these something like original.nb0 and 1.
Wipe the SD card (format FAT).
Stick the SD card back into the pda and soft reset, then cradle it.
Go to a DOS prompt and CD to where you put 'pnewbootflash_40116.exe.'
Type 'pnewbootflash_40116 nbl515.nb0' to write the wallaby 5.15 boot loader to the device. If when you downloaded the 5.15 bootloader you called it something else (like 'wallaby_boot_loader_V5.15.nb0'
you should of course use that name instead!
The output looks like this:
D:\XDAtools\binaries>pnewbootloader_40116 bl515.nb0
Copying D:\XDAtools\binaries\itsutils.dll to WCE:\windows\itsutils.dll
in FindFlashInfoOffset
protection found at 8c0d60f8
result: 00000000 00000000
Now..why did I downgrade the bootloader? At this stage I'm troubleshooting why I get the 'error getting unlock code' message running XDAUnlock. I've got three variables I know of, bootloader, ROM and Radio Stack. I chose to start with the bootloader because
some posts out there say boot loaders 5.17 and higher have some checksum that keeps certain ROMS from working properly. Perhaps if I'd started with the radio stack I'd have been done right away and saved a few hours but all the posts about possible device destruction made me start with the bootloader! Again, your results may vary!
Next I changed the ROM to the XDA Developers special edtion.
Make sure the SD card is in the PDA and cradle it.
Run OSIMagetool and load the ROM file in the first box, chose SD Card in the second box.
If you downloaded the special edition ROM you might
have some luck using the Installer that comes with it but apparently that
does not work with ActiveSync 3.7.1. I got messages that said it could not access the device or no connection etc. Instead I used OSImageTool to load the NK.NBF file included in the distribution. Note that to get to this file you DO have to unzip the EXE file you download!
Once complete pull the pda out of the cradle.
Hold power+soft reset to get the boot loader menu. This should show up as 5.15 now. It will automatically detect that the SD card contains a ROM that can be flashed to the device. If for some reason it does not automatically detect this maybe you have to hit Contacts. I did not have
to do that, it just told me to hit Action to download the ROM.
Hit Action button (aka the jog button) to write it to the device. This will take a few minutes, go grab a beer or two or three. I took the safe route and connected power to the device while writing the flash.
Once it's finished cold boot the device. I waited 2-3 minutes before re-engaging the battery.
Here's a gotcha. On the right side of the SIM there is a little switch. If the rubber door for the sim is not totally closed you can't get the device to boot. This switch is real small so it's very possible to miss it. You can see it fine if you take the back off the device (which I determined from a post here that told you how to get the battery out).
When it boots you should have the 5.15 wallaby booting the xda special edition. Follow the instructions to calibrate the screen and you're ready to move on.
Now if the radio is 6.25.02 xdaunlock won't work, it just generates the 'error getting unlock code' message. You have to downgrade the radio to have this work.
There's lots of posts around here that say don't screw with the radio because if it errors you've got a fried device. I imagine this is true so balance how bad you want to unlock the device against the possibility of totally frying the device. I've done two radio upgrades in my life on the PPCPE, both were OK but again, caution is advised.
Grab the 6.24 radio zip and unzip into a folder on your computer. Use activesync to copy the files to \windows on the device.
Execute the rsupdate.exe program to reprogram the radio to 6.24. WHen completed soft reset the device and go into start-settings-system-device info to make sure you're at 6.24 radio vesion.
Copy the xdaunlock.exe to the device and execute. It should say 'you're device appears to be SIM Locked, would you like to remedy this?" click Yes to unlock the device.
Now the device is unlocked. You can change the ROM to WM2003 now if you want (which I did). I imagine you can re-upgrade your bootloader
and radio stack if you want but I'm leaving well enough alone for now!
Hi ALL
I did unlock my phone thank you all.
Spicial thanks to "rhodwyn".
Best regards.
Works!!!
Thanks !!! Its working!!!
help in getting all the files needed....
Hi,
I would like to try this.... but where can I get the file pnewbootflash_40116.exe? Or is this a file that I'll create?
rhodwyn,
I would appreciate some help in getting most of the files.
Thanks in advance.
It worked for me too, thanks for the great solution, rhodwyn!
Thank you rhodwyn and everybody... my 2 cents
I love this site and I think that everybody does a great job. I found rhodwyn’s post to be very comprehensive and it is the one that ultimately helped me out this time. I don’t know if anybody is even interested anymore, but since I’ve been helped, I figured that I’ll try and help someone else. I assume that you’ve already read rhodwyn’s post.
I had the same starting configuration. I did everything that he suggested except for changing the bootloader and it worked perfectly. So, as he suspected it was enough to downgrade the radio stack and to load the special edition ROM. I subsequently upgraded my ROM and all is good (although I haven’t upgraded the radio stack and I’m not sure if I will).
I’ve read other posts about problems downgrading and upgrading the RSU and the 1% problem… I had a problem the first time I tried and I became very nervous, but I looked at rhodwyn’s post more closely and placed rsupdate.exe into PPC’s \windows folder and tried it again and was successful.
thanks
rhodwyn
10 minutes and done