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Has anyone else noticed or experienced little to no signal being shown with this T-Mobile WM2003 Update? Since I've upgraded, I've been having issues with making calls, getting/losing signal, and alot of other issues related to the phone side of the device. Didn't have these issues prior to upgrade or for the first 2-3 days after upgrade.
I was thinking about downgrading and starting over, but I wanted to hear the opinions of others on here. What do you think I should do from here?
Thanks
I have exactly the same problems.....(After a day or two)
Also thinking of downgrading.
What radio stack are you guys using?
I've got the same problem!
I'm using the 6.24.00 T-Mobile radio update with a cooked WM2003 rom. The signal seems lower than when I was using the latest AT&T RSU.
I'm using 4.21 (Dutch XDA)
T-Mobile ROM 4.00.10
6.24.00 with the 4.00.10 ROM Version. I didn't have any of these issues either with the AT&T radio stack, just since I upgraded to the T-Mobile one.
I am using the Siemens SX56 with ATT. I have the same issues. Signal, ring volume does not seem to be as loud even when using a standard ring tone.
Everything worked perfectly until I upgraded to 2003
Eric
I found some interesting crap on GPRS connection alive keeping in other places. What's the deal? Anybody have any ideas?
Having the T-Mobile unlimited ****ty GPRS, I really would like to keep it on. Of course that's conveniently not a feature part of the ROM. Rumor has it though that it is available on AT&T. Thoughts, suggestions, kitchen updates?
http://www.pocketpcpassion.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32676
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=...TG%24MDHA.1260%40TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl&rnum=11
The T-Mobile WM2003 updates spoken about in this forum include the Always-On GPRS if you are willing to run beta software. I updated my US T-Mobile PPC with v4.00.10 with the new radio stack and it works great.
There is also a 4.00.16 ROM around, And I've read good things about it, but at this rate I'm not going to reinstall all of my apps until T-Mobile releases their final WM2003 update publically.
-Scott
I forgot to mention the one difference between WM2003 and the old AT&T ROM in respect to GPRS. There is no control panel applet to turn off Always-On GPRS, you have to actually turn off the phone to disconnect GPRS. It's not really a problem since phone calls will automatically temporarily disable GPRS and then re-enable it once the voice call is over.
Otherwise, the WM2003 implementation of GPRS is one of the better features of the ROM upgrade. The only other feature that I like more are the new SMS features:
- New buttons when you receive an SMS msg (Reply, Call, Delete, Close)
- SMS msgs will display the sender's name if it is in your contacts list
- Character counter in Inbox when typing SMS msgs
- Message Sent indicator from Inbox (previously only in PhoneBook)
- Quickfill of TO, CC, and BCC fields from contacts list (just start typing a name)
If you are a heavy GPRS and/or SMS user, and feel you are saavy enough to do the upgrade (or live with the consequences if it fails), then I would do it. I'm glad that I did. You can even make a custom T-Mobile WM2003 ROM from Jeff's ROM Kitchen (link found elsewhere in this forum).
Good Luck,
Scott
To turn off GPRS in WM 2003, hold down the red (hang up) phone button for a couple seconds...
I have 4.0016 but GPRS turns off
Whenver the phone goes to standby GPRS turns off. And yes, I do have all the latest greatest installed from the kitchen. Couldn't find any sort of settings to change it.
Completely flashed the ROM, used 4.00.16 T-Mobile ROM from Jeff's kitchen.
Thanks for all the feedback, now if I can just get this working!
I'm not sure if the ROM image is enough to enable Always-On GPRS, you may need to upgrade to one of the newer radio stacks too. When I upgraded my PPC to WM2003, I did the official T-Mobile 4.00.10 beta, which had the 6.24.00 radio stack.
A new radio stack, either the AT&T or the new TMo 6.24, is necessary for always-on GPRS. I have tried both stacks on the US TMo system and prefer the new TMo 6.24. GPRS will disconnect when the radio loses its connection with the cellular system, or when the device is placed on the cradle. It will reconnect automatically when removed from the cradle, or when the Inbox application attempts a timed check for new messages.
The older radio stacks do not support always-on connections.
David
OK.. so I am new, and excited. I have had alot happen to my trusty old tmobile pocket pc phone over the last two days.
First, I got it unlocked by tmobile two days ago and then switched to ATT. Big big plus for me here where I live as my tmobile service would not work at home, SMS and voicemail notifications were rarely recieved. So far so good with ATT, in fact I get the notifications almost instantly, and I have FULL service with ATT at my home now.
Ok.. then yesterday and today I got interested in the idea of upgrading to the 2003 software. Went ahead and bit the bullet and did it. So far so good. I am now running:
ROM Version: 4.00.21 ENG
ROM Date: 8/11/03
Radio Version: 6.18.00
Protocol Version: 324e4
I have not noticed any real issues yet. I have noticed that it locked up on me once when changing a theme I believe. But I did a soft reset and the change was made, I then changed it to another theme to test and no problem.
I dont seem to have the sliding backlight settings I noticed some where else. But I do think like the signal bar meter better as it is clearer now to the eye when you have even one bar. As well as love the mute, and the dual volume slider.
I thought I read there was a higher version radio stack some where, but I have to find that again.
All in all very happy. Happy with the new ROM and tools and forums made available by XDA-Developers, happy with ATT service and hope to be reporting back more good news in the future.
ok.. figured out the sliding backlight
I guess I got confused and thought the sliding backlight control I saw was related to the 2003 ROM, when in fact I guess it was seen by me on the XDA version 2. So, that clears that up for me.
Now to just get the newest radio stack...
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RasnCain said:
I guess I got confused and thought the sliding backlight control I saw was related to the 2003 ROM, when in fact I guess it was seen by me on the XDA version 2. So, that clears that up for me.
Now to just get the newest radio stack...
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No problem on the radio stack, I just need confirmation on what network you're on AT&T or T-Mobile so I'll know which stack to send.
Also I'll need an email address to send to, PM me on that.
BTW good work on the upgrade. :lol:
thank
OK.. radio is now updated to A.20.10 which should be the latest ATT radio version correct ? I have noticed one odd thing about after I upgraded to the ATT radio is that it no longer says what network I am connected to as it did with the tmobile radio.
I also noticed something stange with the 2003 software and GPRS. Seems there is no "end" option to end the GPRS connection.
All in all I am pleasantly surprised about how easy and smooth all has gone in doing all of this. I like the always connected GPRS.
thanks
Yes you are correct A.20.10 is the latest ATT radio stack!
Good obs on noticing that the AT&T stack doesn't show what network you're using, it was also the first thing I noticed too! :wink:
Yea the only way to end GPRS now its to press the Red phone button or buy Spb GPRS Monitor
http://www.softspb.com/products/gprsmonitor/index.html
HTH
Where do i get pocket pc phone 2003?
I have the AT&T Siemens SX 56 phone, and thanks to you guys i unlocked my phone. Now, i can switch to t-mobile service . But, i would also like to upgrade to the new version of the Pocket PC Phone edition 2003. Can i do that yet?????
A reply would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
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paulwhiteside said:
I have the AT&T Siemens SX 56 phone, and thanks to you guys i unlocked my phone. Now, i can switch to t-mobile service . But, i would also like to upgrade to the new version of the Pocket PC Phone edition 2003. Can i do that yet?????
A reply would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
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Congratulations on the unlocking! 8)
As far as upgrading to Pocket PC Phone edition 2003 you can build your own from Jeff's kitchen at:
http://cuba.calyx.nl/~jsummers/ROMkitchen/
or you can download it from Yorch's web site at:
http://www.yorch.net
Note: its located under software.
BTW what radio stack does your SX56 currently have if its less than A.20.10 you'll want to upgrade that too?
HTH
I have the T-Mobile PPC and I have upgraded it to the T-Mo WM2003 ROM. I like this ROM due in large part to the windows voice command. Anyways it says under my system settings that my radio is 6.02. I am not getting very good reception, not just on the screen but I'm missing calls and dropping calls as well. Someone else on the forums said to try to find someone in my area whos using a good RS. So does anyone have any help from my area? Or just in general what's worked best for people? I know some are using ATT upgrade as well. Please let me know, thanks.
Go to < http://www.yorch.net/upgrades.htm > He has the latest T-Mobile RSU.
I has the same problem with T-Mobile. My answer was to switch to AT&T.
Good Luck,
Carey
The newest radio stack on yorch.net is unofficial. Is anyone using this unofficial radio stack?
Hey everyone, I had to finally switch to a different phone because I was just dropping calls everywhere. But recently spoke to someone and they advised using a new RSU. Can anyone tell me what RS they seem to get the best service on?
I have been using the Radio Stack version 6.25.02 along with the ROM version 4.00.21 ENG. The combination works best for me on my SX56 with the T-Mobile USA service.
The combination works best for me on my SX56 with the T-Mobile USA service.
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I've been using SX56 too but I live in Asia with diffrent phone service. My ROM v3.17.03 ENG and Radio vA.20.10 and the reception is also weak. Is that combo also can work best in here? I also want to know is it true that using particular RS in diffrent area/service also have diffrent performance, or it is just a same everywhere with any services? Can anyone explained to me? Thanks.
I tracked down RSU 6.25.02 but when I tried to do the upgrade it wouldn't work. I tried a couple different ones actually. I took the 4 files and placed them in the Windows\Startup folder. Then reset with no luck. Then I put the 4 files in the Windows folder and just the exe in the Startup. But still no luck. So finally I tried a different upgrade and that one just put it in perpetual reset mode, so I left my XDA on over night to delete everything and now it seems to be working ok. Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong with the upgrade?
This is what I did to upgrade the Radiostack:
1. Copied all the 4 files of Radiostack to device's \windows directory through ActiveSync.
2. Execute RSUpgrade.Exe by double-clicking it.
3. Soft-reset the device once the Radiostack is done.
Your result may vary. Please try it with caution.
thanks pvenkat, I upgraded following your directions and it worked. Unfortunately I think the reception is even worse now than with 6.18!! I'm pretty much just accepting that the XDA on Tmobile (at least in florida) is just garbage reception. But since this is not my first phone and I can pretty much afford to play with it, can anyone else recommend a RSU I could use? I'll try ATT, Rogers, whatever. Just what does everyone find giving them best reception? TIA
I'm looking to purchase one of these devices but not sure which one. I belong to Cingular but I like the look of the T-mobile MDA. Is there anything majorly different from a hardware/software point between these two?
If I get the t-mobile mda will I have any issues using it with Cingular? I know I need to sim unlock it first. My main use of this phone is for calls and text messgs. I rarely use the internet but may do so more later on. Just want to make sure the T-mobile softeware will not interfere with cingular settings. Can someone enlighten me? How about flashing it to a non branded rom? Or a cingular rom if thats possible. lol
Great forum my da way!!!
i bought a tmobile mda for use on cingular because of the keyboard design and general asthetics od the thing. i did unlock it then flashed it to the 217.7.2wwe cingular rom found on this sites ftp section. it works great with text, internet, has great rf reception. only thing i havent tried with it is mms.
rest easy; it works. if you have more questions there are people here much more experienced than i.
hardwares deep inside, they are the same machine. Once you have it (either 8125 or MDA) you can do SIM & CID unlock and put in any ROM for wizard you'd like; if you get MDA you can put 8125 rom on it and has all the cingular settings (which you can set it up manually also with other ROMs)
The main concern is the warranty. You are with Cingular and if you get 8125, whenever you have problem with it within 1 year of purchase, you can get warranty exchange (cingular will send you a new one, and you send the bad one back to them after you recieve the new one, all free)
But if you have MDA, you will have to send it to HTC for repair which might take a long time to come back.
jdub71 said:
i bought a tmobile mda for use on cingular because of the keyboard design and general asthetics od the thing. i did unlock it then flashed it to the 217.7.2wwe cingular rom found on this sites ftp section. it works great with text, internet, has great rf reception. only thing i havent tried with it is mms.
rest easy; it works. if you have more questions there are people here much more experienced than i.
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Great! just what I was looking for. I did not know you could install a cingular rom over another brand. soo cool. Did you use the lokiwiz program (which version??) to unlock both the sim and cid? Or another program? Same here I like the rounded corners and two tone keyboard. I wish t-mobile online would sell w/o contract since its a decent price. At the store its almost 100 more.
New to PPC coming from the Motorola camp....
Know to search for a MDA....
Be Careful
Be careful, some of the newer Wizards (MDAs & 8125s) have a newer chip inside referred to as the G4 chip. It is my understanding that lokiwiz will SIM unlock the device which will allow you to use your Cingular SIM card. However, lokiwiz won't CID unlock the MDA with the new chip. So you won't be able to use all the new custom ROMs on ths site.
It is pretty easy to manually configure the setting so the MDA will work fully on Cingular. I have the 8125 and am using T-mobile. The internet, text messanging, and MMS work great.
Check out the threads on the Wizard Upgrading forum for more info. on how to tell which chip your phone has.
Thanks for the tip. I've read some threads about the dreaded G4 chip. Hopefully someone will crack it soon. There is a website that can unlock the G4 chip both sim and cid but it costs like 40 bucks. Worst case I can send it to them.
jdub71: How is the ear piece sound level on the MDA when on a call? how do you rate it? loud, med. or could be louder despite on full volume.
rambo6: Same question. How is you're ear piece volume level on the 8125?
PC mag suggested that the MDA had a lower ear piece volume than the 8125. I wanted to hear from actual users. Louder the better for me. Is there a reg. hack to make the ear piece volume louder? Thanks
I'm running an MDA on Cingular with no problems. Got it a week ago with every intention of flashing to 8125 cingular, but it seems to have figured out most Cingular settings automatically.No problems.... yet.
I don't see how one Wizard could be louder than another.
Have turn it down on both my plantronics bluetooth and wired earphones.
Couple of other quality control concerns with the MDA versus the 8125, I've heard that the MDA is more prone to having the paint come off the keys and that they are also more prone to having the stylus come loose after prolonged usage.
Don't have a MDA, only a 8125, but that's what I have gathered from reading the forums.
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How do you go about finding out what ROM version you have and also how do you tell if you have successfully unlocked your MDA?
Also how do you tell if you have the "G4" chip?
Thanks
Good question. I want a custom rom too.
8125ppc (and htc just updated)
You can go to the thread below to learn how to tell which chip is in your Wizard.
Also, I have great sound through the 8125's earpiece. Sometimes I have to turn it down.
My suggestion is buy whichever phone you want. The MDA has keys that are a little closer together. I'd suggest you look at both in person. You can buy either in the US through letstalk.com without a contract but the phone will be set up for either Cingular or T-mobile and you'll need to unlock it to use another carrier.
If you can hold off a few months, the TyTN or some UMTS form thereof should be offered in the U.S.
T-mobile is great but it will be at least a year before they get a 3G network going. Cingular is the only carrier in the U.S. with a 3G UMTS network in major cities. It's significantly faster than Edge but not as fast as Verizon's evdo.
I hope that HTC offers some phone to work on both the US and European UMTS/HSDPA networks soon. Some form of TyTN or the Trion would do it.
Once you start surfing the web and texting with a Wizard, you'll get addicted and want more speed. Verizion's evdo is so damn fast. I miss verizon's speed but love my Wizard and hope to have the newest HTC phone soon
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=54030
After read many many threads on these it does seem like the 8125 has a better build quality than the MDA. Sound quality may also be superior since alot of MDA owners are complaing about sound issues. I was going to get the MDA but now I'm leaning on the 8125. Main reason is availability. Its easier for me to get the 8125 since I'm on cingular. I'm just worried about the sound volume being too low. I've read about the slider not working and such.....many requests to boost the sound but no real answer.
Hmm. New phone called the TyTN? Made also by HTC? May look into that also.
My friend has a T-Mobile MDA and I have the Cingular 8125. He has the original rom that came with the phone and I have the latest one 2.25. We were at my friends basement he had 3-4 bars of connection while I had non or 1 bar. He always has better connection then me.
ZzFDKzZ said:
My friend has a T-Mobile MDA and I have the Cingular 8125. He has the original rom that came with the phone and I have the latest one 2.25. We were at my friends basement he had 3-4 bars of connection while I had non or 1 bar. He always has better connection then me.
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Okay,let's see here.....
1) Are you both using the same carriers ?
If yes to above, it is a Rom issue.
If no to above, then it is pretty obvious as to the reason for the different signal levels!
I have a Qtek 9100 Wizard with the summiter custom Cingular 2.24 rom and can tell you for a fact that different roms DO act differently.Even roms from the same carriers, I might add! LOL
Later........
Yeah like I said he has T-Mobile and I have Cingular. He has the original rom and I have that new one http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=54726 Even with summiter 2.24 rom that I had last month he still had way better connection in my friends basement.
ZzFDKzZ said:
Yeah like I said he has T-Mobile and I have Cingular. He has the original rom and I have that new one http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=54726 Even with summiter 2.24 rom that I had last month he still had way better connection in my friends basement.
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That's just to compare Cingular v.s. Tmobile signal, NOT 8125 v.s. MDA.
If your 8125 is SIM unlocked, try put in your friend's SIM card and see how is the signal on your phone; should be much better than your SIM.
.....Like I said, different carriers= different towers =different signal strength. As was said above, if sim unlocked, swap sims and see what happens.
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I never tought about that, I'll try the sim change next time.