Most of the Android ChinaRadios come with some sort of CANbus decoder (or so they are labeled) to provide steering wheel controls, backup support, etc... Every single vendor will only sell you a CANbus decoder that they 'manufacture' for their units - claiming that any other combination of decoder/radio will not work.
Aside from this being mostly BS, these vendors are absolutely adamant of not wanting to sell individual of these decoders - which for Chinese vendors is curious, to say the least, to turn down any opportunity to make a buck.
Either way, despite all of them claiming to manufacture their own, we know that is BS -- these vendors buy products from actual manufacturers, repackage them, and sell them.
Try as I might (Alibaba, aliexpress, globalSources) I have not been able to find a manufacturer that produces just these boxes.
Does anyone around here have any leads?
MacConsult said:
Most of the Android ChinaRadios come with some sort of CANbus decoder (or so they are labeled) to provide steering wheel controls, backup support, etc... Every single vendor will only sell you a CANbus decoder that they 'manufacture' for their units - claiming that any other combination of decoder/radio will not work.
Aside from this being mostly BS, these vendors are absolutely adamant of not wanting to sell individual of these decoders - which for Chinese vendors is curious, to say the least, to turn down any opportunity to make a buck.
Either way, despite all of them claiming to manufacture their own, we know that is BS -- these vendors buy products from actual manufacturers, repackage them, and sell them.
Try as I might (Alibaba, aliexpress, globalSources) I have not been able to find a manufacturer that produces just these boxes.
Does anyone around here have any leads?
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To add more to that.
My previous unit an Witson 3066/1Gb ram has an CAN decoder that worked fine for my Ford but the Joying ones work only 85% fine meaning the PREV and NEXT buttons were reversed and that was a pain to use since all my life when I push the NEXT button I expect to hear the next song not the previous one.
Anyway, although I was struggling to correct the Joying CAN mistake I could not because I did not find any way that I could reflash the CAN box. Joying said that the CAN might not be 100% compatible with my car although it should be.
Even if the old CAN box from my former Witson unit was looking exactly the same and the wire socket was exactly the same as the Joying one, the wiring was completely different, different wiring location on the socket, different wire colours. The internals of the CAN boxes looked almost the same but I did not had the courage to test the Witson one on the Joying afraid that I would damage the headunit or more importantly the car...
What I did in the end was to directly connect the resistive buttons of the steering wheel directly to the unit (bypassing the CAN) and program them via the unit software and let the CAN box to decode the other stuff like putting the car in reverse, turning on the lights, feeding +12V to the unit when I start the car.
What I learned is that CAN box is a black box... if it's not working it's almost impossible to find a fix of any kind... or buy a working replacement...
That appears to mirror my initial impression, albeit I feel that different vendors use different providers for these CANboxes and hence that a different CANbox should be able to do the job another can't.
Example, on my XTRONS unit, the steering wheel controls didn't work at all - albeit reverse detection and lights worked well. Unlike my prior box (from 'alec-power' where everything worked (except the radio didn't produce any sound - a slight issue. They took it back and refunded me). Now, XTRONS had me send back the CANbus box, and promised to send another as soon as they have stock again. (1-2 weeks), but they also confirmed that their e39/e46 (BMW) decoder is the same as the one for e53.
What we really need is to figure out how these CANbus boxes work, and ideally how to program them (if that is possible -- which it ought to be).
That's what I was attempting to kick-start with this thread.
Bummer, so no one has any information on these CANbus decoders?
MacConsult said:
Bummer, so no one has any information on these CANbus decoders?
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Your best bet is to try a different car in the canbus setting in factory settings. I had that problem on my ford focus I set the canbus for it and it didn't work right with the steering wheel so went through them all to find that the ford Mondeo rise settings worked and fixed that problem for me.
Where can i buy new canbus gor ownice c500? I send mail to manufacturer but no answer
pcmender2005 said:
Your best bet is to try a different car in the canbus setting in factory settings. I had that problem on my ford focus I set the canbus for it and it didn't work right with the steering wheel so went through them all to find that the ford Mondeo rise settings worked and fixed that problem for me.
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Turned out, in my case, that the proper setting was "NONE" in the CANbus settings, and suddenly everything worked.
Chinese engineering....
If you need a canbus box, your best bet would be to go with a more mainstream manufacturer, like axxess/metra. Their units can tie back into the car radio using the SWI1/2 wires.
Any update on this?
Just reviving an old thread looking for answers
I also think there is a problem with my bmw e39 can-bus box i am using with Xtrons PQ7939BIP. When i connect the can-bus box, the red (terminal R) and the yellow (battery + terminal 30) become "shorted" and they should not "touch" each other. This way, i have to connect the yellow and the red wires from the android unit to the violet/white wire from my car (terminal R - accesory) and leave the terminal 30 (hot all time) wire from the car disconnected so that the xtrons unit shuts down when i put the ignition switch in position 0 or when i pull out the key from the ignition switch.
Is this normal or is my can-bus box bad?
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I also think there is a problem with my bmw e39 can-bus box i am using with Xtrons PQ7939BIP. When i connect the can-bus box, the red (terminal R) and the yellow (battery + terminal 30) become "shorted" and they should not "touch" each other. This way, i have to connect the yellow and the red wires from the android unit to the violet/white wire from my car (terminal R - accesory) and leave the terminal 30 (hot all time) wire from the car disconnected so that the xtrons unit shuts down when i put the ignition switch in position 0 or when i pull out the key from the ignition switch.
Is this normal or is my can-bus box bad?
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You can connect the red wire to any wire on your bmw that has 12 volts with the key on RUN or ACCESSORY, but the yellow wire needs to have 12 volts all the time.
MacConsult said:
Most of the Android ChinaRadios come with some sort of CANbus decoder (or so they are labeled) to provide steering wheel controls, backup support, etc... Every single vendor will only sell you a CANbus decoder that they 'manufacture' for their units - claiming that any other combination of decoder/radio will not work.
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Every PX5 and PX head unit can work with a canbus decoder from different manufacturers. You have to go to Android Settings > Car settings > Factory settings (password: 126) > Canbus tab > Select the manufacturer of your canbus decoder and the car model.
I have a PX5 head unit with a canbus decoder from "Simple", and when it broke, I replaced it with "Raise" and it works.
I recommend to review the list of supported canbus decoders in your head unit in the Factory settings, before purchasing a new one. You may need also to buy a new wire harness if you don't have a plug for the canbus decoder.
piotrmocko said:
Every PX5 and PX head unit can work with a canbus decoder from different manufacturers. You have to go to Android Settings > Car settings > Factory settings (password: 126) > Canbus tab > Select the manufacturer of your canbus decoder and the car model.
I have a PX5 head unit with a canbus decoder from "Simple", and when it broke, I replaced it with "Raise" and it works.
I recommend to review the list of supported canbus decoders in your head unit in the Factory settings, before purchasing a new one. You may need also to buy a new wire harness if you don't have a plug for the canbus decoder.
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Hi,
I also have PX unit (PX6) with Simple soft CANBUS and I get more options when I chose raise like air-conditioning info on my PX6 unit. I have Honda civic 2016 and the only thing that is not working is the car clock not syncing through the CANBUS from my Dasaita PX6 unit. which is a bummer.
I am very curious about the Can Box options as when looking to buy a unit for my '18 WRX with HK Audio I found the IDoing selling them with support for the HK and was surprised as Crutchfield and Meastro just added support for this setup and I was about to order their harness and box to wire in a Kenwood unit I have in my old car.
When I found the IDoing(FYT) I figured all the other better know sellers should have had same option so I emailed Joying as I couldn't find option from them and they responded that they didn't have a solution. SYGAV does claim to have one but but it's nearly double cost and all the WRX reviews said it was hit or miss if it worked.
I bought the IDoing unit and it was plug and play and works great(with one exception)
If these are all the same HU and CanBus hardware, why the variances? Just programming by the seller or are they all buying from different MFR?
Before ordering I tried to order a harness and canbus from IDoing and the unit from Joying, Joying wouldn't sell me the HU because I had mentioned I had HK Audio and IDoing Flat out refused to sell me a canbus and harness without proof I had bought a HU from them.
That said the Unit works very well and the only issue with the Canbus is that it can't control the rear speaker separate from the front(no fade).
Someone earlier mentioned buying a maestro, has anyone ever connected one of these chinese units to a maestro box?
Just so everyone knows
I managed to add canbus functionality to my xtrons unit even though they said it’s not compatible
I bought a harness for my car with the correct decoder and chopped it to fit the pin outs of my head unit.
works like a dream.
If anyone needs advice I am always available
what car and what harness? You bought a canbus and harness from another "seller" and made it fit? Or you bought something aftermarket like Maestro?
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what car and what harness? You bought a canbus and harness from another "seller" and made it fit? Or you bought something aftermarket like Maestro?
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Peugeot 207.
bought harness with decoder from feedo seller.
chopped off the connector and soldered it to my hu connector
are you looking to do same?
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Peugeot 207.
bought harness with decoder from feedo seller.
chopped off the connector and soldered it to my hu connector
are you looking to do same?
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This is the harness I bought
Sdpuk2020 said:
Peugeot 207.
bought harness with decoder from feedo seller.
chopped off the connector and soldered it to my hu connector
are you looking to do same?
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What are you looking to do?
Sorry I was hoping you had found a way to make a maestro or other idatalink module work.
Hello...
Not sure if this is the correct forum for this or not so apologies.
I've just bought and installed a chinese Android Auto head unit into my Ford S Max. I think the unit is an XY Auto 3.1 8227L, nothing on the box but this is what is specced in the system info. I've purchased a Connects2 Canbus adapter to use with this so that i can retain steering controls etc.
Everything is all wired up correctly and working but I can't find Connects2 in the Canbus setup list or a Ford S Max under any of the other canbus manufacturers. Does anyone know how I can sort this out?
Other issue is that I no longer get my parking sensor beeps - does this go through the canbus as well?
Not fitted a aftermarket unit in years so no real experience with canbus setup.
Thanks
You need to have a look at the right forum... I asked a mod to move your posting to the right one: https://forum.xda-developers.com/android-auto/android-head-units
Hello,
i bought an Erisin ES8028v headunit, bought canbus box FT-SS-02 (for fiat Bravo MK2, same electric), but the seller sent me RP5-FT-001 (for him is the same, they send one of two randomly).
Now the problem is: canbus box send perfectly the signal acc, illumi and reverse, but headunit wont recognize the canbus box, so SWC and open dor signal won't work.
In the menu of swc i can select only FT-SS-02 because RP5-FT-001 does not exists.
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Selecting FT-SS-02, swc does not work beacuse box is not recognized.
Is there any way to update canbus list?
Or i need to buy the FT-SS-02 canbus box?
I attach the photo of my canbus box, and what option the headunit shows me.
Just bought one of these eonon q03pro units to put in my 2006 mercedes c180 (W203), its a universal unit not car specific, to replace a failed other chinese unit(8 core 8667 chip based unit). I have tested it today but not fully fitted as waiting for facsia kit to arrive.
My last unit was car specific with dedicated wiring harness and canbus for steering controls, this one only came with a standard ISO connector and I have a dedicated mercedes wiring harness coming with the facsia kit, however having a day off I decided to try powering up with the harness from the old 8667 unit, it powered up ok but the steering controls will not work. I have been told Mercedes don't use the resistive control method, you can't program wheel controls like that via the key wires. You would need to use the high/low wires and select your Mercedes model in the advanced Canbus options
robfox1975 said:
Just bought one of these eonon q03pro units to put in my 2006 mercedes c180 (W203), its a universal unit not car specific, to replace a failed other chinese unit(8 core 8667 chip based unit). I have tested it today but not fully fitted as waiting for facsia kit to arrive.
My last unit was car specific with dedicated wiring harness and canbus for steering controls, this one only came with a standard ISO connector and I have a dedicated mercedes wiring harness coming with the facsia kit, however having a day off I decided to try powering up with the harness from the old 8667 unit, it powered up ok but the steering controls will not work. I have been told Mercedes don't use the resistive control method, you can't program wheel controls like that via the key wires. You would need to use the high/low wires and select your Mercedes model in the advanced Canbus options
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Hi, as you changed device , you must set also model for wheel controls via canbus settings in factory settings. It must work.
Sometimes controls must be set afterwards, depends on the canbus box (if it is SIMPLE SOFT, HIWORLD or RAISE canbus) that you installed. You have to shift between canbus settings of various car models in order to work. If you have online update for canbus controls update via internet.
Thank you will try that, maybe trial and error but I thought there would be a way to make it work, as it was from a previous unit set for W203 Mercedes c class. This is my 3rd android unit in the car so hopefully this one will work
Hello everyone. It is a BMW X5 E70 2008, ccc. I bought HU on Aliexpress (the version is in the picture). After installation, the OEM BMW menu does not work (no signal), the usb does not show and the electronic steering wheel adjustment does not work. All cables well connected, checked several times. Can someone help me enable these functions? Thanks in advance
Hi , did you get CANBUS box with this unit?
Canbus is used to connect multimedia device with car functions and car ECU.
If you have one installed probably wrong settings are set for car. You can change it in factory settings menu (hidden menu with PIN code access).
And consult with your seller about bought head unit rather than writing problems here on forum.
As for system update, you can ask seller for update or find on this forum or net, by search term "ZLH_BMH" - that's your version of software for unit.
Hello and thanks for your reply. I have the canbus and it is connected properly. Checked several times by an auto electrician. Everything works as it should except the oem bmw menu. In the factory settings you're talking about, I tried all the options, but it's always the same - no signal. I think it's definitely a software problem and I can't find an update here or anywhere. And the seller is completely useless
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Hello and thanks for your reply. I have the canbus and it is connected properly. Checked several times by an auto electrician. Everything works as it should except the oem bmw menu. In the factory settings you're talking about, I tried all the options, but it's always the same - no signal. I think it's definitely a software problem and I can't find an update here or anywhere. And the seller is completely useless
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I would try to change canbus box with other one, another model like HIworld or Simplesoft, obviously there is no communication between ecu of car and head unit or cables behind unit for keys / steering wheel are misconnected or misswired. Check for wiring diagram for this device, find it one net somewhere.