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Where can I get SDKs for XDA II?

I saw a lot of programs developed for XDA II, and they are for XDA II only. So it must be a SDK documents somewhere, otherwise no-one can write codes specific for XDA II, Am i correct?
If so, could anyone tell me where can I get the XDA II's SDK?
Thanks in advance

SDK is the PocketPC2003 SDK available free from Microsoft.
It really needs embedded Visual C++ 4, also available free from Microsoft.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/default.mspx
They'll also send you all the tools on DVD for a small handling fee, as they are huge downloads.

andyclap said:
SDK is the PocketPC2003 SDK available free from Microsoft.
It really needs embedded Visual C++ 4, also available free from Microsoft.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/default.mspx
They'll also send you all the tools on DVD for a small handling fee, as they are huge downloads.
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Sorry, I didn't make myself clear.
I have the generic SDK from MS, what I need is the SDK for XDA II, it should come from XDA II's manufacture.
Thanks

well there are not xda2 stk
but there are a collection of stk's
one of them is ms's
another is the one which the cam program uses
another is the stk of the ati 2d chip
i think ati will give you their sdk if you reg at their site or something
dont think the cam's sdk is something they would let people get their hands on
a xda2 sdk would be like having a dell Latitude sdk
it dont work like that

Rudegar said:
well there are not xda2 stk
but there are a collection of stk's
one of them is ms's
another is the one which the cam program uses
another is the stk of the ati 2d chip
i think ati will give you their sdk if you reg at their site or something
dont think the cam's sdk is something they would let people get their hands on
a xda2 sdk would be like having a dell Latitude sdk
it dont work like that
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Thanks, where is the website for ATI? could you post a link please?
BTW, what I need to do is to develop GSM related applications specific for XDA II, say, timed SMS sending. It is best if I can plug my apps into their build-in apps like SMS (it does not have timed SMS sending options)

Aha you're after the device SDK for the XDAII. You want to know what drivers are supplied and how to use them to control the specific hardware at the lowest level, e.g. ATI graphics, Radio hardware, Camera, Bluetooth, Buttons, comms, etc.
... unfortuantely HTC are an absolutely closed shop. Getting any information out of them is like getting blood out of a stone. A particularly hard and bloodless stone.
This site is really the closest thing we have, although as mentioned above you might have some luck with the specific hardware manufacturers such as ATI (although they are also notoriously unforthcoming). There's also sourceO2, who have similar level of knowledge about supporting low level development on the XDAII as a particularly stupid earthworm.
Usual rant follows... If only the device manufacturers would properly open up their products to developers, they'd see a wealth of applications developed that'd make their hardware a real "must have". They probably think it'd eat into their profits on the next device they produce, which is all they're interested in really.

Incidentally, you can both send SMSs, and use the notification subsystem to schedule an app to run at a particular time via the PPC2003 API. So it'd be fairly simple to knock up a client-side SMS timed sending application wihtout hacking RIL.

Hi, andyclap
Thanks a lot for your informative reply.
I am not actually developing very low level applications. What I planned to do is to develop some value added little programs that could be a plug-in or such a kind.
To make myself clear, I can use an example to explain what I might want to do:
The build-in SMS program does not have the feature the let you send a timed (scheduled) SMS. I am wishing to do is:
insert a menu item into its original context menu (tap-and-hold on SMS message body), you can choose to send at specific time
Anyone have an idea?

build in sms programs are not something which would make it a special xda program
all pocketpcs would be able to use that
that is unless you want to block your application somehow from being used on other pocketpc's then the xda then i suppose you need to access some reg indentifier or something
you want me to give your the link to ati ?
well if you are too lazy to type it then i suppose I must
http://www.ati.com/products/handheld.html

Hmm this may be quite hard to do, as I the messaging system is quite unextensible. It's fine if you want to create a new format from scratch, but extending an existing form handler is, I think, impossible.
Some low level dirty tricks (subclassing windows etc) might work, but would be pretty tricky to do, and very hacky.
I just wish somebody would give the PocketPC team a Symbian SDK, Symbian really got it right when it comes to messaging.

Yes, i can write a new SMS program, but it will need me to deal with Contacts object. I mean, I have to write code for fetching data stored in the build-in contacts database. If I can just plug my function into its contextmenu, I will only need to implement a simple function program (setting date/time, save phone number and message text, create a notification, etc).
Using SetWindowLong can hook into the *****, but this program model is some kind of fragile, very easy to crush the system or the apps itslef, not really stable if not tested thoroughly

xda CE 2005 Project

We seem all to be waiting for a version to leak of the CE 5.0 for our devices, and at the same time we seem to think that this will not happen due to the fact our providers are going to want to ship it on new devices and not upgrade the old ones.
Well Mwang put me in the mood to do some searching and this is what I found.
Because Windows CE is in components, you can create a custom version of the OS that includes exactly the elements your particular device requires—no more and no less. Using the Windows CE development tool called Platform Builder, you can create a customized version of the OS, called an "image," that you then download onto your device hardware for debugging. If your hardware is not available yet, you can run your image and debug your applications on the included x86 emulator. That allows the end-user application developer and the low-level system software developer to work in parallel on the same project.
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http://msdn.microsoft.com/embedded/getstart/bring2market/plan/learn/windowsce/default.aspx
Well it seems that you can download a 120 days trial version which would mean you would have to flash your device in 120 days.
Windows CE Evaluation Version
Windows CE integrates reliable real-time capabilities with advanced Windows technologies to rapidly build a wide range of innovative, small-footprint devices. The evaluation version is a 120-day trial version of Windows CE, valid from the day of installation. The CD and DVD versions include a copy of Microsoft eMbedded Visual C++ 4.0 Service Pack 4. The Evaluation Edition (download) requires you to download eMbedded Visual C++ separately.
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http://msdn.microsoft.com/embedded/getstart/evaluate/default.aspx
Think this is the homepage
http://msdn.microsoft.com/embedded/windowsce/default.aspx
So what is stopping us ?? Or Cant I read?
Any body in the mood for this??

Downloading now What could go wrong ?

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...50-D311-4F67-9FB3-23E8B8944F3E&displaylang=en
Does this work for you gues ?

I tried this a while back.
Its not as easy as it sounds, firstly you have to correctly setup all the drivers for the hardware.
I wouldnt garantee that it has stuff like the phone apps ready to be compiled in either.
lastly, you have to make it into the correct format for the installer prog, I dont know if the package will output a himaupload.exe compatible rom.
Let me know how you guys do though, it would be nice to compile our own OS!

It's installing on my computer :shock: i want it on my PPC

Well I found a 30 min tutorial on the platform builder and it looks like a lot of the stuff is around (Wifi), What we will miss is the camrea app, but hell its a start.
Ps cant find that link anymore, and the posted link works great.

MDAIIIUser said:
Well it seems that you can download a 120 days trial version which would mean you would have to flash your device in 120 days.
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Im sure it's a 120 days from the day you install it on your Desktop PC :?

definatly not as easy as you think!
i had the older version and i made some images for X86 machines (to make them thin clients)
you need every driver for the device that it will be installed on so theres alot more required than just the platform builder,
check it out anyway, its still fun to use and you can make custom CE's for old PII machines (routers, thin clients etc)

Well Bosjo, would that not give you 119 days to post a BA Rom?

@MDAIIIUser
Well i dont know, but Im guessing that the ROM itself will expire 120 after Desktop installation

@bosjo
Well you better hurry up and do good documentation so that I can rebuild your posted rom in 118 days.

@MDAIIIUser
Ha ha ha, well don't get your hopes up, Im just a plumber that bought a BA to save some time and get projects more organized........... Well that what just to be a laughf, this device has eaten every spare second I have had since the day i bought it, and it's still crappy...............

What? You mean you can use it as a phone, thought it was only good for the pocket solitair, how did you do it? and can I read it on wiki?
You see I am True born again MDAIIIUser and
"I haveth faith in thou"

I've pu the windows CE 5.0 installer in the upload folder

Good job you got this , see your pm

Hmmm... well, if someone can create a ROM that won't expire or brick my device, I'm willing to help with testing...
Let me know if you need me...

hehe. Its impossible to create WM2005 from the stuff offered with the trial WinCE 5.0 Platform builder.
Hint: WM5 has version 5.1. PB offers 5.0

im wondering.. where would you get ALL the drivers from? im sure HTC will not be willing to help us here..

@Manich
I truly respect your post and I am very much aware of not having your knowlege, insight, understanding, hacking competence.
That is why I am amember of this forum, to learn from people like yourself in order to try and get the best for my device. To share what I have learnt with others (I use wiki for that).
So please, please share with us a better idea of how we can get 2005 on a BA. It would save me a lot of time searching on the net, uploading sdk that are of no use as well as moving files on the ftp.
A "it cant be done answer" I could accept if it came from somebody else without your knowlege and I remember reading that somebody wrote something along the lines if it can run it can be cracked (smile).
With alll due respect
MDAIIIUser

Generally it cannot be done as you don't have a board support package for BA or other compatible platform. With lots of hacking and reverse engeneering you can write all drivers and all applications absent from Platform Builder (like cprog, SMS client, SIM toolkit, etc), but it would be only a waste of time. It would take as much time and would be as useless as making a Linux for BA. Better buy a device that originally ships with OS you want.
The only hope for getting WM5 on BA is that some person from MS would offer it or someone would get a device with such a ROM. Even a locked device with a signed ROM would help.

Possible Interop Unlock Idea

Something interesting that I found out while thinking about how to interop Unlock WP8: The "PhoneReg.exe" app which is a signed app used for developer unlocking a device is written in un-obfuscated C#.net code!
If anyone has access a program such as Dis#, we should be able to reverse-engineer this and at least figure out what types of data are being passed back and forth between different account types (e.g. Student dev unlock, vs regular dev unlock). Then we can maybe guess at what needs to be passed to Interop-Unlock these devices!
Based on my understanding of how the WP7 interop unlock works, all the Developer unlock does is modify a registry value. As the value gets higher, the more "Development stuff" you can do.

I'll see if I can scare up a copy of that app. Decompiling .NET code is trivial - you don't even need a paid tool, there are many perfectly good free ones (I usually use JustDecompile) - assuming it's not obfuscated.
With that said, bear in mind that we can't currently modify the data that the app receives from the network. That was actually how the original ChevronWP7 unlocker for WP7 worked, but Intercepting (or in the case CWP7U, spoofing) the data was blocked when Microsoft added a feature commonly called "certificate pinning", where rather than checking whether the server's SSL certificate is trusted in general (which you could do by installing a cert manually), the phone now checks for a specific cert (Microsoft's).
However, it's possible (a bit unlikely, but possible) that we'll find a vulnerability in the app. For example, they may have slightly messed up the cert pinning in a way we can exploit (I checked for cert pinning, but I didn't check for ways they might have screwed it up), or they might have left in some debug code we can mess with (that's how HTC interop unlock on WP7 was achieved), or some other such weakness.

If there's some way to help out by testing and such tasks in willing to test on my Lumia 920, if any vulnerability is found Just send me a PM if so
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Cool. Good to know. What was nice about the program I mentioned is that it supposedly decompiles everything and then builds it into a nice Microsoft C# project that can be imported into Visual Studio. (I was able to do that, but bits of code within some classes and methods are missing and just have a code comment called //trial)
Some of the interesting code bits I noticed include:
1. the wonderful "NativeMethods.cs" file. This is a wrapper that allows you to call functions within "PhoneREG.dll" such as "GetAuthToken" and "GetWinPhone8Port"
2. "connectionManager.cs" It opens up a session to the phone using port 27077 to pass data.
3. The files called "lockCommand.cs" and "unlockCommand.cs" The deal with passing and converting some kind of "authToken" to the phone.
4. The "SignInDialog.cs" code provides everything necessary to sign into widows Live. It has variables to store oAUTH tokens.
My thoughts are as follows:
1. we could maybe write a custom app that functions as normal, but edits the ByteArray before it gets sent to the phone. Basically you would need an MSDN developer account of some sort, but signing in with this app will give you Interop Privileges.
2. Maybe there will be something "hidden" if we can figure out what this app is talking to on the phone via port 27077.

That sounds interesting. I'll try to look at the data tomorrow before I head to work and see if I can find anything Hopefully I will
Sent from my Lumia 920 using Board Express

If we can actually bypass interop lock with a non-MS signature, that would be fantastic... and I'd be astonished. That wasn't possible in WP7 (Mango or later, when the interop-lock was present) and isn't possible in Windows RT either.
Can you either send the app, or post a link to where you got it from?

Hi guys,
just wanted to give you all a huge *thumbs up*! You're doing great work here!
I have a Lumia 920 for about 2 weeks now.
So, as i did some Lumia 800 and Lumia 900 custom roms, and became a little "bored" to WP7, i would be happy if i could help you by testing some stuff on my Lumia 920
If you need my help, just let me know

lordmaxey said:
Hi guys,
just wanted to give you all a huge *thumbs up*! You're doing great work here!
I have a Lumia 920 for about 2 weeks now.
So, as i did some Lumia 800 and Lumia 900 custom roms, and became a little "bored" to WP7, i would be happy if i could help you by testing some stuff on my Lumia 920
If you need my help, just let me know
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I know your feeling I made WM6.5.x, Android and WinPho 7 roms for the HTC HD2 before I got my Lumia 920
Sent from my Lumia 920 using Board Express

I have a dev unlocked Lumia 820 and can do any testing if required

If you are running a Windows 8 PC and can install the Windows Phone 8 SDK, the PhoneReg tool can be found at C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft SDKs\Windows Phone\v8.0\Tools\Phone Registration
There are some other tools that I haven't poked around at that could be interesting to try and decompile and "re-work" such as the XapSignTool. (I think this might be written in C++ though)
The SDK in its entirety can be downloaded from http://developer.windowsphone.com/en-us/downloadsdk. You want "SDK 8.0".

I'll get my dev unlock in a month. Will get it as a birthday gift So by then I'll be able to help out more.
Should've checked the USB port stuff this morning, but I didn't have time for it but will do it when I get home in 2 hours
Sent from my Lumia 920 using Board Express
EDIT: Can't seem to find a usable USB sniffer that works under Windows 8, or I've been configuring those I've tried wrong. Enabled TESTSIGNING in BCDEDIT and rebooted, so Test Mode is activated, but no tool seem to work
Regards

The phone itself can communicate with a Windows 7 PC, just not if you want to use the SDK. Perhaps try the same experiment under Windows 7? You might be able to copy the "Phone tools" directory off of Windows 8 onto Windows 7. It uses .net 4.5, so make sure the runtime is installed.

I have already gone down this road and can fairly confidently say it is a dead-end. The only interesting thing I found was the ability to switch a phone to use the internal Microsoft development authentication servers. Best of luck though - maybe I missed something.

SynergeTechSolutions said:
I have already gone down this road and can fairly confidently say it is a dead-end. The only interesting thing I found was the ability to switch a phone to use the internal Microsoft development authentication servers. Best of luck though - maybe I missed something.
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Thats sad. Do you have any data collected from the communications on port 27077? That's what we're looking for right now.
Sent from my Lumia 920 using Board Express

SynergeTechSolutions said:
I have already gone down this road and can fairly confidently say it is a dead-end. The only interesting thing I found was the ability to switch a phone to use the internal Microsoft development authentication servers. Best of luck though - maybe I missed something.
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bummer
Any details about what you found out?

Did you see if the internal (test, I assume) server mode used cert pinning? If not, we can spoof those servers and basically re-implement the original ChevronWP7 unlocker (in a more elegant form, too).

Not quite the Goal you want to move to but maybe what you have found out so far can be used to enable Dev Unlocking and XAP deployment to Dev Unlocked WP8 devices from Windows 7. I believe there are quite a lot of developers who would be happy to have that possibility.

I do know that when you activate dev unlock on WP8 devices, it does it using the Windows Phone IP over USB service ("C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Phone Tools\CoreCon\11.0\Bin\IpOverUsbSvc.exe"). The IpOverUSBSvc is more or less just a .NET wrapper (I figured this would be the case). If anyone is good at x86 assembly and can get into the IpOverUsbPc.dll, we may get somewhere.

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I do know that when you activate dev unlock on WP8 devices, it does it using the Windows Phone IP over USB service ("C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Phone Tools\CoreCon\11.0\Bin\IpOverUsbSvc.exe"). The IpOverUSBSvc is more or less just a .NET wrapper (I figured this would be the case). If anyone is good at x86 assembly and can get into the IpOverUsbPc.dll, we may get somewhere.
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several tools exists for decompiling DLLs to have a look at the source (which I assume will be .NET)
Reflector is one - commercial - solution, but in Adrian Banks blogs you will find alternatives that are free - and some commercial ones also.
http://www.adrianbanks.co.uk/?p=71

NielDK said:
several tools exists for decompiling DLLs to have a look at the source (which I assume will be .NET)
Reflector is one - commercial - solution, but in Adrian Banks blogs you will find alternatives that are free - and some commercial ones also.
http://www.adrianbanks.co.uk/?p=71
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the DLL I mentioned is unfortunately a COM dll. I already ran ILSpy against the exe to find that out. We will need someone with x86 assembly experience

Security and Licensing for Windows Mobile 6/6.5 apps?

What are some of the options for security and licensing of Windows Mobile 6 app?
I am working on an app for which I want to have license file for each different scanner it is use on.
Is there possibly some web based method of creating a license file which will be tied to the scanner's serial number?

kdar1987 said:
What are some of the options for security and licensing of Windows Mobile 6 app?
I am working on an app for which I want to have license file for each different scanner it is use on.
Is there possibly some web based method of creating a license file which will be tied to the scanner's serial number?
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You can implement a licensing scheme by using your own keygen software - you will have to develop this yourself to keep it unique and exclusive. Program your scanner app to recognise only the output key from your keygen. You can get the purchaser of your license to submit (via web or email) the scanner <Brand>, <Model>, <serial number>. Use these inputs to generate a key that will be recognisable by your software and then email the key to your licensee. Like many other apps, you can also have a "Free Trial" version so that a potential customer can try before buying the license; with constraints such as fully working for a limited time or crippled (cannot Save) or some other limitations.
Good luck.

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You can implement a licensing scheme by using your own keygen software - you will have to develop this yourself to keep it unique and exclusive. Program your scanner app to recognise only the output key from your keygen. You can get the purchaser of your license to submit (via web or email) the scanner <Brand>, <Model>, <serial number>. Use these inputs to generate a key that will be recognisable by your software and then email the key to your licensee. Like many other apps, you can also have a "Free Trial" version so that a potential customer can try before buying the license; with constraints such as fully working for a limited time or crippled (cannot Save) or some other limitations.
Good luck.
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Thank you.
Do you know how I can retrieve some unique information from device? (for example ID or serial number or something similar).... I am thinking now to use that information to generate hash code for license.

kdar1987 said:
Thank you.
Do you know how I can retrieve some unique information from device? (for example ID or serial number or something similar).... I am thinking now to use that information to generate hash code for license.
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Some references:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa446562.aspx
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms893522.aspx
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/windowsmobile/archive/2006/01/09/510997.aspx
Hope this helps

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Some references:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa446562.aspx
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms893522.aspx
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/windowsmobile/archive/2006/01/09/510997.aspx
Hope this helps
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Thank you! This helped.

kdar1987 said:
Thank you! This helped.
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Glad to be of some help. Good luck with your project.
Don't forget to hit the Thanks button to the contributor if you find any posts useful to you.

kdar1987 said:
What are some of the options for security and licensing of Windows Mobile 6 app?
I am working on an app for which I want to have license file for each different scanner it is use on.
Is there possibly some web based method of creating a license file which will be tied to the scanner's serial number?
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Yeah, I have the same question and looking for the right answer.

Help cracking software on Windows CE Device!

I'm not sure if I am in the right place to ask this, but here goes.
I work for a land surveying company and we have been using a software called C&G to collect data out in the field. The software runs on a piece of hardware called a data collector. To be more exact, it is an Allegro CX made by Juniper Systems. The device is loaded with Windows CE .Net 4.20 along with a program called PocketDOS. The C&G program runs inside of PocketDOS. The software is SUPER old and the company is no longer around to support it. We have no desire to purchase a new software package as this one works just fine for what we need and everyone is used to it.
We have at least 8 licenses for this software, but the problem is, it is coded to register based on the serial number of the Allegro data collector. We have had multiple data collectors go bad, so we are looking to purchase more units, but we will be unable to register the C&G software on these units because the serial numbers will be different.
So my question is, can anyone help me modify the C&G program and make it so that it does not check the serial of the data collector? That way, we can purchase new data collectors and load the software (that we have rights to) on the new units. If the company were around to support the software, we would be able to call them and they would generate new registration codes.
I can send links to download the software, along with any DLLs you might need from the data collector.
Any help on this would be greatly appreciated! Thanks for your time!