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Hi all, the Nexus One is a phone im quite interested in, and after doing much reading i have been unable to find the answer im looking for, so i hope you Nexus owners wouldnt mind sharing your knowledge.
When downloading an app, from the Android Marketplace, do you have the option to store it to either the phone memory or an sd card, as you do in windoes o/s? As im under the impression you can only store it on the phone memory, therefore limiting the amount of apps you can have on the device at one time?
Sorry if this has been answered elsewhere, many thanks, Sham.
Currently the only option is onto the phones memory. Google is rumored to be looking at storage on the sd card in the future. Modders may be albe to make an apps2sd work on this as well tho.
Ah ok, many thanks for the quick response is this the same with all android devices do you know?
Yes, it is an Android limitation. This is to prevent people from buying an app, installing it to the SD card, then moving the SD Card and app to someone else's Phone.
The new Fix that google mentioned with the launch of Nexus is a means to encrypt and tie that SD card to a specific phone so it can't be moved to another phone. This feature will be with a different yet to be update to the OS. So it isn't available with the N1 and the current build. Google didn't say what hardware will be able to support this new OS.
As mentioned there are ways of doing this but you will have to Root your phone and run a non approved OS. I am doing it now on my G1. It actually makes the phone faster. As you are aware, like the Win Mobile the more you install to phone's internal memory the more it slows your phone.
what is the approx file size of most apps and how many could you have running on the phone ?
Most apps are under 1 mb a d the N1 currently has 196 MB available for apps which is more than enough for most, you do the math.
that's ample for what i would probably need..............thanks for the swift response.
Bit ot, but where do Nexus store apps?
They not located in system/app.
So, apparently, it is still not supported and Google has no solution yet.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2275..._details_emerge_the_little_things_add_up.html
This detail, which came out in conversations I had with Google engineers today, explains why the Android file system organization is, well, a mess, and why I’ve had such inconsistent experiences with Android and removable storage across the various Honeycomb tablets I’ve tried (and I’ve tried all of them that are available so far).
“We don’t want to expose the user to file locations,” explained Hiroshi Lockheimer, director of engineering at Google. “How do you manage that as a user? The not-good answer is with the file browser.” Lockheimer says that many of the experiences I’ve seen so far are what individual hardware manufacturers have enabled, as opposed to what Google has provided natively. The good thing is that Lockheimer says Google is looking at ways to do this; but the problem hasn’t been solved yet.
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Is it me or does that say nothing still?
Google says they don't want to give you a file browser / file explorer / file manager.
Fine - there's plenty of third party apps to that on the market - but why not fix the SD card slot support?
Although I agree that some of the structure stuff is a bit of a mess - there's lots of random folders created on the SD card, like .android_secure, .bookmark_thumb etc. that you probably don't want end users seeing.
At least now it's clear that it's Google who has to fix the SD Card issue and not Motorola.
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At least now it's clear that it's Google who has to fix the SD Card issue and not Motorola.
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I honestly didn't read that at all...?
I read that google were working on some sort of file manager, not SD card? am I misreading it? as far as I can see file manager, and SD card are separate issues?
also the transformer, and custom kernels have the sd card slot working, so not sure who is at fault for the xoom
Why is there a difference between the tablet and the phones?
I have access to the SD Card and file system there.
Not like every Windows user on the planet has never seen "My Computer". Organizing files is not some obscure concept that is to high level for users.
From what I can understand:
USB file system means the OS access the usb disk in block level which the app (file browser) will have access to the full path of the file.
The one that is supported by Honeycomb right now is MTP. This is totally different compared to USB. The actual file system is implemented by the device, not by the computer's operating system.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Transfer_Protocol
My prediction, this USB thing will be solved by the upcoming ICE CREAM SANDWICH.
Because by then, phone and tablet are merged ... everything which is supported by phone (like SD card) must be supported by tablet.
So, yeah, we must wait till end of this year or early next year (worse case).
Still, it is too long for Motorola with their "promise", no?
@Kcarpenter
Very true - but I think the problem may lie with the Xoom using the MTP instead?
or is that a load of rubbish?
Eitherway, I guess from the Google point of view - they want it simple and try and hide the stuff they don't want n00bs messing with (a bit like Apple hide everything too so all their iOS are n00b proof!)
Also Phones open up to mass storage straight to the card - you don't get access to the internal memory at all. Whereas with the Xoom you would want access to that because there's loads of space there
gogol said:
My prediction, this USB thing will be solved by the upcoming ICE CREAM SANDWICH.
Because by then, phone and tablet are merged ... everything which is supported by phone (like SD card) must be supported by tablet.
So, yeah, we must wait till end of this year or early next year (worse case).
Still, it is too long for Motorola with their "promise", no?
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What about just fixing the kernel like timat's - that'd do the same job for now
Still don't understand why they would slack on getting the SD card implemented. They have so much riding on honeycomb success. And the LTE radio needs to get installed too. Time to ramp it up.
I agree they should be able to enable it considering one of our own has already done so with a custom a kernel, I still love my xoom though!
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mwaychoff said:
I agree they should be able to enable it considering one of our own has already done so with a custom a kernel, I still love my xoom though!
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agree completely.
and the LTE thing is running on awhile now - didnt someone say that the samsung tab 10.1 might beat Xoom to be the first LTE HC tab if Moto don't buck up?
Who needs google when you have bigrushdog?
Just did the 3.1 update and SD card slot still doesn't work. I thought it would've fixed this.
Yea, I read that article yesterday. It has NOTHING to do with the sdcard support.
Google was explaining why android in general has a fairly chaotic/unintuitive filesystem structure... NOT why they haven't biuld in support for SD.
it was well known this update was not addressing the sd slot. No wjere not one single ppace has google or moto saidnthe sd lotbwil not be active by the deadline they stated. They could give us slot access right now but the issue is as has been aluded to they would either have to give full file sys access or no file access like the phones. For those that will say it doesn't matter give us access. It matters to them as they will be creating huge issues with tech support by the much larger majority of users that would delete things that would kill or hamper the device. I mean even on here you have tons of people that can't follow clear simple directons to flash an update without screwing it up some how. Can you imagine Suzzy home maker or joe the guy who can not figure out how to do a windows update would do with full access. My guess is they will be doing a update with a file manager and permision set so nothing past the sdcard parent folder can be accessed and programs installed will have premissions set to prevent accidental delete without going into the file manger settings to change them to allow change of permisions.
This will solve both the issues and allow both sd card and internal storage access without opening up the core files to tinkering by BDUs
So suddenly I got the new market and with it like thousand of updates.
Problem is now I'm constantly running on low phone space.
All apps left that can not be moved to the SD-Card are a must have.
So deleting them is not an option
Except the ones that I can not uninstall (like Google Books) guess because they came preinstalled.
I can't even install some new apps as they require more space then I obviously have.
What are my options?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=670087
Move apps to SD (non-root and no apps required on phone)
I just did this yesterday with my Nexus One...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1001202
Read the FAQ, question 9.
I can not do this as I run a stock rom I think.
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I just did this yesterday with my Nexus One...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1001202
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I can not do this as I run a stock rom I think.
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Did you read?
From what I can tell, you do not need root to do this, just a working ADB connection. No additional on-phone software is required.
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Given your parameters, only solution is to partition your SD card, create an ext-flavored filesystem on one of the partitions, and run one of the available software solutions (referenced in the links above) to permit saving of ALL apps and app data (and dalvik cache) on the SD card.
If you do that, cheers to you, but do some critical thinking and research before buying into the Class 10 hype. Most benchmarks have shown that the bottleneck in the N1 SD read/write speed is not the speed of the card, but rather the combination of software and hardware that handles SD card input and output. In fact, on some benchmarks, Class 4 cards perform as well as Class 6 and Class 10, and in some, Class 10 cards underperform Class 4 (which may have to do with the different standards applicable to Class 10 versus 2,4, and 6...the older cards had to meet a certain minimum read/write speed on a fragmented card for a single large file transfer; for Class 10 the specification is sequential writes on a defragmented SD card -- if you ask me both specifications are insufficient...how about a spec that tests sequential operations on a fragmented card?).
Or, alternately, consider removing some apps. Unless you are a developer, I can't see that you "need" to have more apps than the admittedly meager flash allocation can handle. You may want them, and want them very badly, but I've always found that a self-critical distinction between needs and wants makes me happiest in the long run, because it's easy to ignore wants. If this doesn't work for you, look above. Whatever floats your submarine, man.
I never had any problems with the sd-card performance.
Doesn't matter anyway as my problem is that there are 9gigs of free space on the card but I fear I will soon run into the problem of being unable to install any more apps (even to the card) as the phone space is too low.
This actually happens already now when updating apps.
Unfortunatly I did not manage to get the adb thing working yet so I can not test SocialVisors solution.
I'm unrooted as well, and have this problem as well. I'm hoping the nexus prime hits soon enough (and on tmo).
Otherwise, I'll look into rooting (which I'd rather do, if I'm going to modify, I'll go all in), I think one of the benefits is being able to uninstall unwanted stock apps and keep them off. So like the amazon mp3 store, for instance.
Okay so I now managed to get ADB working.
I could move some heavy apps like swype. I could not move "Astrid Tasks" as then the widget does not work anymore. Hopefully that is the only app.
I am now back at 30MB free space.
But still there are some hughe apps, like Google Maps(11MB), that can not be moved at all.
And yes, Google Maps is a must have!
Did you read the FAQ?
Did you read rallyemax's answer, and put attention to the first paragraph?
Are you looking for a solution, or do you just want to complain?
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How to install:
NOTE: ROMS THAT ARE ORM (ORIGINAL ROM FROM MANUFACTURER...ALSO KNOWN AS STOCK ROMS) WILL NOT RUN ANY VERSION OF APPS2SD EXCEPT FROYO.
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I alread said I run a stock rom (not froyo).
The only one who is complaining is you.
You can just ignore this thread if you don't like it.
But thanks to everyone so far.
In that case, it's simple: you can't do a thing.
Your 2 options are:
1) Run a custom kernel over your stock ROM, or a custom ROM, and install A2SD support. Need to root / unlock the bootloader / hack the bootloader, of course.
2) Do nothing and don't look for solutions that don't exist, just accept the fact that you're stuck with less internal storage that you wanted.
No third option.
Hello there everyone!
I have several phones (I get them through work for testing), and in most cases when I want the phones to do something "out of the ordinary" I root them.
The Samsung Galaxy series of phones in particular are used heavily. I rooted most recently the Note II, and then swapped the internal storage and the 64GB SD card, because the 16GB of storage capacity (for our guys) is never enough. We are always out in the field, and we use a LOT of network and technology/analysis apps, and the 16GB gets used up pretty quickly. This has proven to work just fine, but there has always been a definite performance hit after rooting (strange things like all text messages disappearing from the phone until you reboot it, stuff like that) - but it was livable in exchange for having almost 100 large apps on the phone for work.
Well, we have been using the S2, S3, S4, and Note/Note2 series in this manner, until recently, we just purchased some of the Galaxy Mega 6.3 phones, specially due to their large screen and being able to actually work easier on the screen with our analysis apps. However, as of right now there is still no mod available, and no root - so the internal storage is only 8GB, of which only slightly more than 4GB is available on first boot.
I would like to know the BEST way please (all ideas are welcome) to manage storage and apps on this device WITHOUT rooting... They all have the ultra high speed 64GB SanDisk SD cards in them...
One thought was to install the apps, and when the phone is almost full, run a backup of all the apps via apk to the SD card, and then uninstall the apps until needed. When needed, on the fly just restore the one app you need from the backup, and use it. But this might be tedious as well.
Using the Android apk and program tools from a PC, I know the old trick of telling the device to set the default storage location to 2, but this has proven problematic with the Note II, and S4....
And, as well all know, the app2sd apps do not work with Galaxy phones...sheesh...
SO - can you wonderful folks please give me some good ideas on managing the apps and memory/storage of this device? Use the backup to apk method, or? What do you guys think?
I am asking, because I truly value your opinions and knowledge, and also because I have several guys at the office counting on me to come up with something that will be workable.
Other than this "problem" so far, the Mega has proven to be great out in the field! The S4 is still one of the favorites though...
Thank you all very much - I really appreciate it!
Mike
Hi folks,
I'm new to the forum, new to galaxy s4 and new to android. Been with apple for the last 5 years and made the leap to android (a few weeks back) after ditching £$£ worth of apple apps!
But I was having no regrets as being fairly technical/geeky I enjoy the fact you can do SO MUCH with android! However things are beginning to annoy me very much with my new toy.
Hoping you can shed some light on any of my issues please.
PHONE SPECS:
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SAMSUNG GALAXY S4 I9505 T-MOBILE UK
ANDROID 4.2.2 ROOTED USING ODIN
I9505XXUBMG7
NO CUSTOM ROM'S (Don't think I have an option there at the moment for my version?)
64GB SDCARD (unbranded)
PROBLEMS
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1) All of a sudden (twice now) my phone has corrupted my SD card, by deleting all my photos!! music and apps!!! The first time it happened it gave me the "can't mount SD" message so had to reformat. This time just deleted random stuff. Tried windows chkdsk to no avail.
2) Can no longer connect to any pc. Just nothing appearing in device manager/keis etc - tried rebooting, usb debug mode, restart phone in download mode...nothing.
Apps I have running that I THINK could be the culprits and not the phone OS would be - APP manager Pro, Clean master, No bloat, App quarantine, folder mount, lucky patcher, nova launcher. I guess that's a lot of variables to add in to the mix, but IMHO you need some of these just to be able to use your SD card for storing APP's when games are nearly 2GB each, Samsung's 8GB, or so of usable phone space is a joke to say the least and having to hack/crack the phone just to have the ability to store on SD is ridiculous!
So not a happy bunny and I hate to say it but what's the point in all this customisation if the bloody thing isn't stable..especially to the most important/core parts to the phone? Someone please restore my dwindling confidence with android!! :crying:
Hope you can help!
Thanks,
Michael
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msinclairinork said:
Hi folks,
I'm new to the forum, new to galaxy s4 and new to android. Been with apple for the last 5 years and made the leap to android (a few weeks back) after ditching £$£ worth of apple apps!
But I was having no regrets as being fairly technical/geeky I enjoy the fact you can do SO MUCH with android! However things are beginning to annoy me very much with my new toy.
Hoping you can shed some light on any of my issues please.
PHONE SPECS:
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SAMSUNG GALAXY S4 I9505 T-MOBILE UK
ANDROID 4.2.2 ROOTED USING ODIN
I9505XXUBMG7
NO CUSTOM ROM'S (Don't think I have an option there at the moment for my version?)
64GB SDCARD (unbranded)
PROBLEMS
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1) All of a sudden (twice now) my phone has corrupted my SD card, by deleting all my photos!! music and apps!!! The first time it happened it gave me the "can't mount SD" message so had to reformat. This time just deleted random stuff. Tried windows chkdsk to no avail.
2) Can no longer connect to any pc. Just nothing appearing in device manager/keis etc - tried rebooting, usb debug mode, restart phone in download mode...nothing.
Apps I have running that I THINK could be the culprits and not the phone OS would be - APP manager Pro, Clean master, No bloat, App quarantine, folder mount, lucky patcher, nova launcher. I guess that's a lot of variables to add in to the mix, but IMHO you need some of these just to be able to use your SD card for storing APP's when games are nearly 2GB each, Samsung's 8GB, or so of usable phone space is a joke to say the least and having to hack/crack the phone just to have the ability to store on SD is ridiculous!
So not a happy bunny and I hate to say it but what's the point in all this customisation if the bloody thing isn't stable..especially to the most important/core parts to the phone? Someone please restore my dwindling confidence with android!! :crying:
Hope you can help!
Thanks,
Michael
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You're running a lot of crappy apps I'd get rid of. Clean master, no bloat, app quarantine, lucky patcher which is warezware, etc. You should post this in the i9505 forum and they can help you with getting rid of the crap you have on your phone and how to remove bloat in a more device friendly way.
Could a mod move this to the correct forum. Thanks