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From Benson Leung (the USB type C Amazon reviewer / Google employee)
1) Type-C!
2) USB 3.1 Host & Client mode
3) USB PD (Power Delivery spec[1] ) fast charging for 24W
4) USB Debug Accessory mode.
KT: Tablets are all about the display.
Pixel C has a very high-resolution 2560x1800 display with 308 PPI.
It's also brighter than other tablets at 500 nits.
Pixel C is also the first Android tablet that ships with Marshmallow and will receive updates directly from Google
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I am suddenly happy I bought type C cables that support 3.1.
i don't understand this : Pixel C is also the first Android tablet that ships with Marshmallow and will receive updates directly from Google
Nexus are not updated directly from Google ?
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ragnar56 said:
Nexus are not updated directly from Google ?
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Nexus 9 for example is build by HTC and was designed by Google and HTC together. Pixel C is google-only. I think that is what they are trying to say.
No, its two separate statements.
1. First tablet with marshmallow
AND
2. Will receive updates directly from Google.
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so here is the change log for 7.1
Pixel product-specific
Pixel Launcher - swipe up for all apps, new Search Box, date/weather header on home
Google Assistant
Unlimited original quality photo/video backup to Google Photos
Smart Storage - when storage is full, automatically removes old backed up photos/videos
Phone/Chat support (new support tab in settings), screen-share functionality
Quick switch adapter for wired setup from Android or iPhone
Pixel Camera:
Electronic Image Stabilization (“video stabilization”) 2.0
Pro Features
White Balance Presets
Exposure Compensation
AE/AF Locking
Viewfinder grid modes
HW-accelerated (on Qualcomm Hexagon coprocessor) HDR+ image processing
Smartburst
Sensor Hub processor with tightly integrated sensors (accel, gyro, mag) + connectivity (Wi-Fi, Cell, GPS)
Cosmetic
Solid navbar icons with home affordance for Assistant
SysUI accent color theming
Wallpaper picker with new wallpapers and sounds
New setup look and feel
Dynamic calendar date icon
Android Nougat 7.1
Night Light
Touch/display performance improvements
Moves (Fingerprint swipe down gesture - opt-in)
Seamless A/B system updates
Daydream VR mode
Developer features:
App shortcuts / shortcut manager APIs
Circular app icons support
Keyboard image insertion
Fingerprint sensor gesture to open/close notification shade
Manual storage manager Intent for apps
Improved VR thread scheduling
Enhanced wallpaper metadata
Multi-endpoint call support
Support for various MNO requirements
PCDMA voice privacy property
Source type support for Visual Voicemail
Carrier config options for managing video telephony
Manual storage manager - identifies apps and files and apps using storage
will our pixel c get the pixel specific update?
Be nice to get 7.1 it is not like Google refreshed the tablets yesterday but I am not sure how some of the 7.1 benefits will work on a tablet
The vast majority of that is hardware dependent. It's 7.1 that I want to see, and not the 'dev preview' coming to Nexus phones by end of the year. I had preordered the Pixel phones, but have now cancelled as there's little in them that really says progress and development. Also, the fairly poor support for the Pixel C (eg the indispensable physical kb that still gives false inputs) didn't fill me with confidence.
In short, this better get the 7.1 update as soon as it drops on the Pixel phones or I and others will begin to extricate ourselves from Google products.
The main thing I want is the unlimited original quality photo uploads. The rest of it I can live without. I'm happy with the standard Google launcher rather than the Pixel one.
kboya said:
The vast majority of that is hardware dependent. It's 7.1 that I want to see, and not the 'dev preview' coming to Nexus phones by end of the year. I had preordered the Pixel phones, but have now cancelled as there's little in them that really says progress and development. Also, the fairly poor support for the Pixel C (eg the indispensable physical kb that still gives false inputs) didn't fill me with confidence.
In short, this better get the 7.1 update as soon as it drops on the Pixel phones or I and others will begin to extricate ourselves from Google products.
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umm... the 7.1 update is going into a dev preview at the end of this month, not by the end of the year, and will not even be on the Pixel and Pixel XL until december... It's initially launching as a dev preview on the 5X, 6P, and Pixel C. Check the blog post: http://android-developers.blogspot.ca/2016/10/android-71-developer-preview.html
"Initially, we’ll offer the Developer Preview for Nexus 5X, Nexus 6P, and Pixel C devices, extending to other supported devices by the end of the preview. At the final release of the Android 7.1.x platform, due in early December, we’ll roll out updates to the full lineup of supported devices — Nexus 6, 5X, 6P, 9, Player, Pixel C, and supported Android One devices — as well as Pixel and Pixel XL devices."
I haven't had any problems with false inputs on the Pixel C Keyboard. Have you tried getting in touch with them to deal with it under warranty?
NJ72 said:
The main thing I want is the unlimited original quality photo uploads. The rest of it I can live without. I'm happy with the standard Google launcher rather than the Pixel one.
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I highly doubt that would be coming to the Pixel C for a plethora of reasons, but do you actually use the camera on the Pixel C? It's pretty atrocious as far as I've found.
Ummm... It's a shame they posted that 4 days after I posted my point, which was based upon the news available at the time. We shall see.
I'm pleased you haven't experienced the well documented kb false inputs. I've had 2kb and 3 pixel c. It remains an issue. YMMV.
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I highly doubt that would be coming to the Pixel C for a plethora of reasons, but do you actually use the camera on the Pixel C? It's pretty atrocious as far as I've found.
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I don't use the Pixel C camera, no, mainly because I feel like an idiot holding a tablet up to take a picture - especially when my S7 takes great pics.
What I am hoping is that it will be applicable to all photos uploaded through the device - but I'm ready to be corrected on that as I haven't read too much in to it.
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Ummm... It's a shame they posted that 4 days after I posted my point, which was based upon the news available at the time. We shall see.
I'm pleased you haven't experienced the well documented kb false inputs. I've had 2kb and 3 pixel c. It remains an issue. YMMV.
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Fair. Sorry, it seems I was either blind or asleep when I posted that and didn't look at the time of your post. My apologies.
I sincerely hope that the "Google" features like assistant come to the Pixel C too, but tbh I'm not holding my breath for it.
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Fair. Sorry, it seems I was either blind or asleep when I posted that and didn't look at the time of your post. My apologies.
I sincerely hope that the "Google" features like assistant come to the Pixel C too, but tbh I'm not holding my breath for it.
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No worries. My reply appears more curt than I meant... apologies backatcha!
To keep the topic on track, it's a strange mix of information as the Pixel/XL camera 4.2(?) apk teardown (on xda) is specified for 7.1, and devs adapted it for 7.0 (if memory serves). I suppose we'll all find out when those phones drop into hands anytime now. Elgoog have a history of conflicting lines of communication.
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No worries. My reply appears more curt than I meant... apologies backatcha!
To keep the topic on track, it's a strange mix of information as the Pixel/XL camera 4.2(?) apk teardown (on xda) is specified for 7.1, and devs adapted it for 7.0 (if memory serves). I suppose we'll all find out when those phones drop into hands anytime now. Elgoog have a history of conflicting lines of communication.
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And according to pictures by telexco customers who got their phones early, the clock app's new shortcuts appear on the Pixel show up, and they're input using the new 7.1 shortcuts API... So whaaaaaaaaaaat? Maybe the Pixel ships with 7.1 after all?
It's live, already > http://www.androidauthority.com/android-7-1-developer-preview-download-723427/
So I went offline while on fb and got the tipical offline page. I flicked it to refresh chrome and the dino started to run?!
That's pretty cool. Good find
This has nothing to do with the pixel. Its a very old feature within chrome. Probably close to 5+ years old.
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Yeah, I've played that dinosaur run game several years ago. It's a Chrome thing, not a Pixel thing.
Well, after a lot of consideration I decided to "take the risk" and just placed an order for a 64GB Pixel C and keyboard. Google Canada had a promo going with a $150 discount so I took it. Years ago I used to be a fervent Android phone and tablet user and I said I would never go to Apple. I had Nexus this and that for many years and a Moto 360 and an Android settop box. Eventually I got sucked into the whole Apple ecosystem, first with my Macbook for work, and now I have two Macbooks at work, plus an iPhone, iPad (Pro), Apple Watch, iMac, and Apple TV and I must admit I love them all especially the way things (mostly) handoff across any device such as phone calls.
Despite all this I am still curious about the latest in the Android world and love the idea of the Pixel C hardware and am glad I can get access to the latest OS without waiting on some OEM like Samsung. I use my iPad Pro (12.9) with the Smart Keyboard a lot (and yes the Apple Pencil for annotating music and docs) and love the versatility it provides and yeah I use split screen and video in a pop-out window a lot so it will be interesting to compare Nougat on the Pixel C.
I bought a Nexus 10 as soon as they released, just over 4 years ago. I used it extensively for the 1st year, and then afterwards, only a bit here and there. I actually currently have it running a Nougat ROM, but it is quite sluggish nowadays... but for being 4 years old, I can't complain. It was a great device and I certainly got my money's worth, as it's probably the device I have kept and used the longest out of all my electronics.
I just bought a Pixel C on Swappa today as it seemed like the only suitable replacement in terms of build quality, software, and updates. I decided I wouldn't be picking up the keyboard as I didn't see much use for it since I bought the expensive Logitech K810 bluetooth keyboard a long time ago for the Nexus 10. I'm hopeful it's as fast as my Pixel XL in terms of usability, and lasts me another 4 years.
Mine just came today! Loving it.
The power button was frozen and hardly worked. I was initially bummed after having a N9 with horrible unraised buttons. But the PCs power button loosened up and now works fine.
The screen is incredible. I work in Hi Res imagery all day and have a Moto X Pure with it's 5.7" quad HD display and 520 ppi pixel density, I was initially worried I would not like the Pixel C's screen. Especially going back and forth at a glance between screens. But the screen is amazing. All the power and speed I need and being an easy rootable Google devices, that has gotten quick updates and I was sold.
Very happy with my choice. Unlocking and rooting it as we speak.
I can't wait to use DSLR Controller app with my Canon 5DS and use the pixel C as a live view camera screen. My N10 and N9 were nice but this Pixel C is incredible.
So I just got my Pixel C and keyboard today and got it all updated and setup. Initial thoughts:
Hardware, specifically the the combination of the tablet and the keyboard, sure is nice.
Sucks not having a fingerprint reader.
Tried the multiwindow thing using Taskbar. A bit klugey but definitely promising. Unfortunately mostly unusable for me as a number of the critical apps I use (including Google Inbox) refuse to do multiwindow even with the "force resizing" developer setting enabled. I'd really like to see this working for real. At least the split screen is pretty usable although a pity no popout video windows like on iOS.
It's pretty snappy but still no match for my iPad Pro in general response. Feels a bit sluggish by comparison.
I expect the main use case for me will be as smaller alternative to my iPad Pro 12.9 and for carrying around the office for Google Docs, Slack, e-mail, and Hangouts, where we use Google apps for most things.
Since this is a Google device I look forward to some reasonable life out of with many more OS updates to come.
Just wanted to add that I was wrong about some apps not working on forced floating window mode using Taskbar. I clearly had launched some of these full-screen previously and that's why they continued to launch full-screen. I've been using Nova but will try just using Taskbar for a while. In general though I'm finding the split-screen mode pretty usable and especially handy with the keyboard shortcuts to get to things I often use like the browser, calendar, etc. I I only wish these shortcuts were customizable. For example, I don't use Gmail for my work e-mail but use Inbox instead but the keyboard shortcut will only launch Gmail.
Update: Floating windows using Taskbar is still a bit unpredictable so it's back to Nova and split-screen when needed. Remix doesn't really look like it's worth trying. It would be great if Google could really get floating windows (including video) baked into a future release.
One of the few things I can't do with my Pixel C around the office, compared to my Macbook, is screenshare in a Hangout. Unfortunately Hangouts on Android doesn't support any kind of screenshare even from Google Docs which is a shame.
Omniswitch recents on Dirty Unicorn's 7.1.1 01-06-17 build for the Pixel C, really adds another dimension for multitasking. DU runs well and is definitely a daily driver.
It's finny to come across this thread today. I too had a Nexus 10 that just died. The ribbons that connected on the back of the battery broke.
I decided to pick up a Pixel C but in the process I was told of another alternative. The Lenovo Yoga Book.
I've had my Pixel C for about a week now and it is a great device. An excellent replacement for the Nexus 10. However, I'm hearing greater things about the Lenovo, so much so that I may end up returning the Pixel in favor of keeping the Yoga Book.
Yes, the Yoga Book doesn't have the same powerful CPU/GPU as the Pixel C nor does it have the brand behind it. But the keyboard/drawing/writing board that comes with it is fantastic apparently. It also has a microSD slot, Dolby Digital audio, a miniHDMI port (shame on you Google for not including this in the Pixel), considerably better Wifi, and a SIM card option. The Pixel C has none of these things.
It's supposed to be in the mail tomorrow so I'll have a rare opportunity to compare both tablets while in my possession. Perhaps I'll make a video about it. The least I can do is post back here about my findings.
Skullpuck said:
It's finny to come across this thread today. I too had a Nexus 10 that just died. The ribbons that connected on the back of the battery broke.
I decided to pick up a Pixel C but in the process I was told of another alternative. The Lenovo Yoga Book.
I've had my Pixel C for about a week now and it is a great device. An excellent replacement for the Nexus 10. However, I'm hearing greater things about the Lenovo, so much so that I may end up returning the Pixel in favor of keeping the Yoga Book.
Yes, the Yoga Book doesn't have the same powerful CPU/GPU as the Pixel C nor does it have the brand behind it. But the keyboard/drawing/writing board that comes with it is fantastic apparently. It also has a microSD slot, Dolby Digital audio, a miniHDMI port (shame on you Google for not including this in the Pixel), considerably better Wifi, and a SIM card option. The Pixel C has none of these things.
It's supposed to be in the mail tomorrow so I'll have a rare opportunity to compare both tablets while in my possession. Perhaps I'll make a video about it. The least I can do is post back here about my findings.
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I'm also very curious about the yoga book. Please post your comparisons.
So I've had the Yoga Book for about a day and have come to some conclusions about both devices. Generally speaking, the Pixel C is a much more hardware oriented device. It has a much better CPU, GPU. But that's where the pros stop for me. Out of curiosity I ran the AnTuTu 3DBench on both devices. Where the Pixel C came back with something like 30-45 FPS the Book only received between 10-15 FPS. The Yoga Book is not a hardcore gaming machine. The thing is, I don't use these devices primarily for gaming. If that's what you want to do then the Pixel C is what you want. If that isn't what you want to do and productivity is more important to you then please read on.
Here is what the Pixel C has that the Yoga Book does not have: CPU power, GPU power, durability, brand power,
Here is what the Yoga Book has that the Pixel C does not: A light up LED touch sensitive keyboard that quickly turns into a note taking drawing tablet (this includes the special pen that comes with it and the paper), microHDMI slot, SIM card slot, 4GB ram, lightweight, easily folds in half to hold itself up for Netflix/YouTube viewing sessions, multiple apps running at the same time, "windows" for each app so you can work with 2 or 3 apps on the screen at the same time, Dolby Digital sound (I never thought I would hear this quality of sound come out of a tablet, it's very good and I'm an audiophile. It doesn't beat out my 7.1 surround theater but in a pinch it does deliver 5.1 surround audio in a very unique way), speaking of sound the Pixel C is terrible in this capacity; either I got a bad device or the Pixel C has worse sound than the Nexus 10, your purchase comes with a free "sleeve" to carry your book in if you purchase from lenovo.
Needless to say I'm keeping the Yoga Book and sending back the Pixel C. Probably not going to win me any friends here but I wanted to be truthful. Don't get me wrong, the Pixel C is a great device... if I were to purchase it 6 to 12 months ago. With the new devices on their way up and nothing in the way of innovation going on I cannot recommend one. It's basically just an updated Nexus 10 with newer CPU/GPU and fewer ports.
The Yoga Book is innovative and useful. I am currently using it at work to administer 122 computers in 3 locations. I then take it into a meeting and write notes onto it which then transcribe to text. Saving everything I wrote into journals. Then bring it back to my desk, flip it up and watch Netflix.
If you want me to take pictures or if you have any questions let me know I'll respond for the next 24 hours or so.
Interesting. Thanks for sharing.
I keep going on and off with this thing on ROM'ing it but one thing has sort of made me decide to jump yes if there is an android 10 ROM out there. I love using ps4 remote play in my house. Right now I use my pixel 2 but Id love to use a larger screen. With my pixel c dead I have either this or my nexus 9 (which prob couldnt handle remote play anyway) to try and run a rom to see if I can connect the dual shock to the tablet as well. Remote play will work on anything above 5 but in order to use your dual shock instead of touch controls (yuck) you need android 10.
Is there a 10 based ROM or is this tablet just too old to have it?
Anyone know if it would work? (what Im looking to do)
Thanks
I don't think so, we only have an unofficial, and apparently on development halt LOS 16. It would be nice if we had a recent official build, then it could be picked up automatically by the microG fork.
Meanwhile the little brother Galaxy Note 3 has been on proper LOS 16 development, and there is an unofficial LOS 17, and two other roms (crDroid and Havoc OS) based on that.
The Note 10.1 is a really good device, the last one with stylus, before the stylus was reintroduced. And it's still kicking!