Car Android units - reusable displays? - Android Head-Units

Hi Everyone,
I have one of those chinese import android units for my car, fake android version etc. It says it is F9212B but don't know if even that is real.
My car is a Fiesta and so has an annoying shaped dash hole which the Android unit fits very nicely, it has a huge display and a custom shroud, not DIN or double DIN.
Anyway, the actual android hardware is such a pile of crap that I was wondering if anyone had ever disassembled these units and worked out if they use standard display connections like DSI, with common ribbon connectors?
I'm sure you can tell what I'm thinking. Could I chuck the android hardware but keep the display and touchscreen and connect it up to a single board computer, which tend to use DSI.
I know there would be a lot of extra work because of the CANBUS and it would need a separate Amp for the speakers etc.
Any thoughts?
Thanks
Tim

Have you considered a raspberry PI type setup?

CyberTaniwha said:
Have you considered a raspberry PI type setup?
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Yes, that's the sort of thing I was thinking of. The Pi has a standard DSI display port, so was wondering if I could use the display from my android unit, since it's a custom fitting for the ford fiesta.
I've got this type of thing https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/384802838107

Sorry to say, but to use a raspi would not be a good solution. You will have at least issues with switching off the ignition. As there is no proper shutdown, you can damage the files on the SD-Card. On top: Even a RASPI4+ is not faster than the one in your current setup. You would need an additional FM receiver, CAN receiver which would not be available for such a solution, so you need to fiddle around with that... You need an additional amplifier... you name it.
I would search for a touch screen with a proper resolution which can be mounted into the hardware of your dash and think about a proper solution like a car-PC, or something like that.
At least not a cheap solution and needs a lot of time to get this working as expected.

Well thanks for the input but most of those issues are solvable.
The power can be supplied via a power bank, it may be possible to reuse the existing CAN adapter for the android unit, which is external, plus you can get Car CAN adapters for the raspberry pi anyway. I know even the pi4 has limited hardware but there are other single board computers with better hardware. I wouldn't need an FM receiver as I have a USB DAB receiver for the android.

@HelloFromMars
Have a look at this https://www.autopi.io/blog/build-a-raspberry-pi-touch-screen-car-computer/
and this:

CyberTaniwha said:
@HelloFromMars
Have a look at this https://www.autopi.io/blog/build-a-raspberry-pi-touch-screen-car-computer/
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Sorry, but this is no alternative to any sort of car infotainment.

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How is the head unit of a brand called Naviskauto?

Does anyone know about the brand Naviskauto?XDA seems has no much about this.I'm planning to have one android head units for my VW.And accidentally got a promo code of this store from Dontpayfull.
I need GPS of course,bluetooth,iphone,ipad. .Any advice,guys?
Naivskauto Unit C250
summerof said:
Does anyone know about the brand Naviskauto?XDA seems has no much about this.I'm planning to have one android head units for my VW.And accidentally got a promo code of this store from Dontpayfull.
I need GPS of course,bluetooth,iphone,ipad. .Any advice,guys?
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This unit is the same as pumpkin RQ0255 unit. There is more information available from their support page and is directly applicable to the Naviskauto unit you have.
I installed this unit with a Metra dash kit into a 2003 G35 Sedan with Steering wheel controls (kit required) / the stock Bose amplifier (audio interface kit required) / and reverse Cam. All the functions you want are available. I assume you want to connect iphone/ipad via bluetooth , it works but the bluetooth interface for music isn't great , and maybe a 3rd party app is available. There is an "IPOD" USB connection through a 30pin connector. (Overall, music quality is very good but not as good has name brand head units for USB/Bluetooth/Radio. ) I use an Iphone 4 as an Ipod over USB, but you should be able to use a lightning convertor cable and use newer iphones/ipods. The music interface is better on USB but still falls short if you're looking for iphone/ipad useability. You can connect the head unit to a wireless hotspot on iphone/ipad or any device with this function. You can also connect via USB to a 3G dongle but the supported devices are limited, (more reading for you.)
GPS works great and the iGo Navi app provided is really good and does not require an online connection. You may need to do some more reading to get maps / poi functioning to your needs depending on your location.
It's my first android head unit install and it was flawless for me. I invested lots of time reading to extract experience from this board and others I am generally familiar with car sound systems, electronics, soldering so I was just a matter of understanding the wiring interfaces for this unit, which are standard.
I'm a newbie on Android , so I'm not experimenting with ROMs yet but there is a ton of info on what is possible with mods and replacement apps for various functions.
so, bottom line, I give the unit a 8/10 overall, but the value for money from Amazon I give it 9/10.
Chieftan123 said:
This unit is the same as pumpkin RQ0255 unit. There is more information available from their support page and is directly applicable to the Naviskauto unit you have.
I installed this unit with a Metra dash kit into a 2003 G35 Sedan with Steering wheel controls (kit required) / the stock Bose amplifier (audio interface kit required) / and reverse Cam. All the functions you want are available. I assume you want to connect iphone/ipad via bluetooth , it works but the bluetooth interface for music isn't great , and maybe a 3rd party app is available. There is an "IPOD" USB connection through a 30pin connector. (Overall, music quality is very good but not as good has name brand head units for USB/Bluetooth/Radio. ) I use an Iphone 4 as an Ipod over USB, but you should be able to use a lightning convertor cable and use newer iphones/ipods. The music interface is better on USB but still falls short if you're looking for iphone/ipad useability. You can connect the head unit to a wireless hotspot on iphone/ipad or any device with this function. You can also connect via USB to a 3G dongle but the supported devices are limited, (more reading for you.)
GPS works great and the iGo Navi app provided is really good and does not require an online connection. You may need to do some more reading to get maps / poi functioning to your needs depending on your location.
It's my first android head unit install and it was flawless for me. I invested lots of time reading to extract experience from this board and others I am generally familiar with car sound systems, electronics, soldering so I was just a matter of understanding the wiring interfaces for this unit, which are standard.
I'm a newbie on Android , so I'm not experimenting with ROMs yet but there is a ton of info on what is possible with mods and replacement apps for various functions.
so, bottom line, I give the unit a 8/10 overall, but the value for money from Amazon I give it 9/10.
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Thank you for your information.You're more experienced than me as I can tell. According to the review,it seems a good choice.I will look at more and make a "experienced" choice,I think.thanks again,man.:good:

Advice on what to buy

Hello all,
I'm after a new head unit for my truck, I use the truck for a lot of off roading and for this I use an android based maping software!
So I'm after a single din android head unit with a flip up screen, the ability to transmit to other screens (thinking about a sunvisor screen) it would be nice if I could have a camera input or two, and the ability to connect my phone for handfree phone calls! Also due to the mapping software GPS capabilities, optinal it would be nice to plug a hddd or memory stick with into it for music input
Does anyone have any advice on what would fit my needs?
Thenskae505
My only issue is ruggedness. Sounds like you may want to look at a tablet worth a holder.
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I currently use a tablet, problem I have with it is the tablets I have used 7inch and 10 inch are very bulky, I like the idea of a headunit because it can retract, if I was to mount a tablet it would cover some of my other dials/controls! Also I use the truck for work every day and having a tablet on display wouldn't be a good idea
Is an android headunit really less rugged then the cd player I currently have??
what vehicle is it?
If you are comparing to a name brand unit like Kenwood or pioneer. I would have to say yes
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It's a mitsubishi pajero,
I don't think ruggedNess would be a problem buts it's a risk I'm going to take!

			
				
do they make a vehicle specific unit? that would be the best for less bumping around
CadillacMike said:
do they make a vehicle specific unit? that would be the best for less bumping around
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Unfortunately not, it's just an old school single din head unit slot!
thesnake505 said:
Hello all,
I'm after a new head unit for my truck, I use the truck for a lot of off roading and for this I use an android based maping software!
So I'm after a single din android head unit with a flip up screen, the ability to transmit to other screens (thinking about a sunvisor screen) it would be nice if I could have a camera input or two, and the ability to connect my phone for handfree phone calls! Also due to the mapping software GPS capabilities, optinal it would be nice to plug a hddd or memory stick with into it for music input
Does anyone have any advice on what would fit my needs?
Thenskae505
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thesnake505 said:
It's a mitsubishi pajero,
I don't think ruggedNess would be a problem buts it's a risk I'm going to take!
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A single din head unit with the flip out display will sooner than later break or wear out the motorized gear assembly or ribbon cable. This is especially true with any of the android head units available today and even more so when any of these units are used off road. That said, you can still listen to music on the android single din head units with the display retracted. Although, not being able to use the display while off road defeats the purpose of having it for gps or cameras etc.. To clarify a little more, I had a single din android hu in my 3rd gen montero limited (same as the larger size pajero or shogun, but not the sport), and the display was no where near strong enough to handle all the bouncing around while off road. In turn, I relocated the heater - ac controls to the wallet pocket in the upper center console and installed a double din joying hu. This may or not be an option for you too, depending on how your specific pajero dash, heater - ac controls, center console, and wallet pocket align.
As to the ability to transmit to other displays, I'm not aware of any decent android hu options for that except for maybe the Newsmy Carpad units that use hdmi out on a separate android box to feed its double din display. Please note that most android units will only display a dvd to another screen, and the dvd's only transmitted through the micro controller unit and not through the android system. Nonetheless, there may be a couple of different units out now that may be able to push what's on the main display to other displays, but again I'm not aware of any myself. Hopefully someone here will be able to chime in with some good suggestions for that.
In regard to hands free phone calls via bt to the hu, that's possible, although the voice quality and volume level can be sub par on many units without a hardware mod and a decent quality external mic.
For cameras, I set up a waterproof front camera just below the front bumper license plate frame that runs through the AV-in input. It's used as a front parking and off road camera. I also installed a rear waterproof back up camera with on-off switches, so it can be viewed at any time or turned off completely. Please note that neither of these cameras have dvr capabilities, so I installed a thinkware 750 front and rear camera kit plus three more 1080p dvr type cameras to help cover and record the front, rear, and side views.
With regard to using a hard drive or memory stick, both should work, but neither has been needed here. This is due to the joying hu having two micro sd card slots, and I've had no problem running fat32 formatted 64GB and 128GB sdxc cards packed with music, vids, pics, etc..
Bottom line is that you'll most likely regret a flip out hu unless you do not mind fixing or replacing it sooner than later. Plus, IMHO, most if not all aftermarket flip up displays are too slow, annoying, and clunky.
Best of luck,
R
So having read and took on board what yoy have said, what double din unit would be recommended? ?

Single Din Android for an R129 SL

Hello
I have a 1991 R129 500SL that has a single din radio slot, so I'm looking for a single din android unit, 2 Din isn't possible in this car without lots of cutting and modifications, which is something I'm not willing to venture into.
I'm looking for a single din android unit with preferably the latest possible OS, iPod control or the ability to connect to a 2.5 external HDD. iPod control is very important to me as my entire music library is on my iPod classic. My second option would be to connect an external hard disk to the unit.
I would like to have a unit that has most of the slots on the rear end with a clean front interface with the option to change button colors to match my ambient lighting.
I've trying to some pictures of my current setup and what my center console looks like, doesn't seem to be an option to post pictures from my phone.
Anyways, any help is really appreciated guys.
Thank you
No one has an idea about single din android units that can control an iPod classic?
Any aftermarket apps perhaps to make this work?
Merc129 said:
No one has an idea about single din android units that can control an iPod classic?
Any aftermarket apps perhaps to make this work?
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https://www.amazon.com/PIONEER-AVH-X7800BT-1Din-Receiver-Bluetooth/dp/B017LKVMAS/
Probably your bet bet is something like this.
There's about 0 market for Single-DIN android, the entire market is double-DIN now.
As for that unit there, it isn't android but the Pioneer units are decent. I've used 2 of them in the past, but double-DIN.
Personally, I have no interest in the motorized fold-out screens. So here's a Joying Sofia unit which is single-Din mount, but with a double-DIN screen.
https://www.amazon.com/Autoradio-Bluetooth-Navigation-Aftermarket-Multimedia/dp/B01M8JHSP3/
I hope your vents aren't in the way!
Thanks for your reply.
I did buy the Pioneer 7800BT unit but I returned it the next day, as it tends to stall quite often when playing songs from my iPod and takes a long time to switch between tracks.
Also the Appradio mode is very impracticable, I need to keep my phone connected via usb which means no iPod. Also I need to install a specific Pioneer keyboard on my S7 edge otherwise the keyboard won't show up on the head unit for any input. This means I have to keep switching keyboards in my phone whenever I enter or exit the car. Also you can't really use google maps or anything like that as Appradio One is not true mirroring, I can only see a map with no nav options or turn by turn guidance.
You can use waze but there is a problem with the screen formatting, a lot of prompts are off-screen. It's not properly configured for this head unit.
All in all, it was a very poor effort by Pioneer so I returned it. I saw the joying units but they won't fit my console as you can see from the pics below, and they don't support iPod, and neither do Pumpkin head units.

Teyes TPro + LineageOS

I recently bought a Teyes TPro from AliExpress: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000972517529.html
The unit kind of works. The AC controls work intermittently(I am half way through a moderately difficult process of solving this, more below). Teyes support is useless and incredulous if you want more than a few minutes of their time. However, the dream of having a 10" android touch screen is too good to let go of. I believe the hardware of the system is good.
Given that, I'm curious what people know about this head unit and if it's feasible to just wipe the Teyes image off and start anew with LineageOS 17.1(maybe 18.1!).
I'm a developer, but almost 100% of my experience is in C++ and Linux. I'm thinking it can't be that hard to build the UI/Launcher component and/or piece it together from open source components. Any development I do for this will be open sourced. The TPro fits a lot of older vehicles, so I can see this being beneficial to more than just me.
There are a few things I'm unsure of:
CAN bus interface
This is my biggest concern as I haven't found much documentation regarding the can bus. However, perhaps I can replace the built in adapter with an SPI based CAN bus adapter?
The AC control unit is a separate arm based microcontroller(Teyes sent this with the unit to replace the manual AC controls, since the screen occupies the space where the controls were) that interfaces with the head unit using a CAN interface on the head unit. This works intermittently and seems to be due to the AC Arm based MCU being slow to start. Doing a hard power cycle by pulling the HU power plug allows the AC controls to work correctly. I've attached a raspberry pi zero with a CAN interface from Seeed and am able to record the commands coming from the HU to the AC control unit. The CAN bus frames to and from the HU will be fairly trivial to replicate/decode. However, I'm not sure about accessing the HU CAN bus interface itself from Android. Any Android developers here have experience with this hardware platform? Is the CAN bus driver built in to Android?
It'd be nice to use the same bus for io on the car's OBD can bus, rpm, fuel efficiency, speed, door open, door locks, windows, etc.
AM/FM Radio
I suspect this is going to be standard Android supported hardware. Will NextRadio work well here?
DSP/Audio
Teyes has some nice software to control the DSP 4-channel output. I'm not married to it though, I just want basic 4-channel left/right/front/back controls and an equalizer.
Reverse/Dash camera CVBS/AHD
There are two video signal inputs on the device. Are these supported by standard Android software?
GPIO
Finally, the steering wheel keys(I believe this needs to be an A2D gpio or can be read from a CAN bus), reverse indicator and brake indicator.
I'm the least worried about this as I see there's a GPIO library for Android.
jdroid654321 said:
Given that, I'm curious what people know about this head unit and if it's feasible to just wipe the Teyes image off and start anew with LineageOS 17.1(maybe 18.1!).
I'm a developer, but almost 100% of my experience is in C++ and Linux. I'm thinking it can't be that hard to build the UI/Launcher component and/or piece it together from open source components. Any development I do for this will be open sourced. The TPro fits a lot of older vehicles, so I can see this being beneficial to more than just me.
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I am sorry to disappoint you, but you can actually forget it.
There is a lot of specific hardware inside these units that use completely closed source drivers. Putting lineageOS might even work, but you won't have an interface to the MCU firmware/hardware, neither to the CANbus, neither to the Radio, neither to the Amp/DSP, etc.
Thank you, these links are very helpful.
It does indeed sound difficult, but not impossible. So, I'm not prepared to forget it just yet. If the system can be rooted and the MCU firmware overwritten, I believe it should be possible to replicate all the functionality with an open source firmware. My only question is whether I have the willpower and motivation to do it. Probably not single handedly, but if a few more software developers with an interest in embedded systems joins in I think we could do it. The dream of a well integrated hardware platform for open source head units is probably worth it to some?
I'll switch over to the other thread SC9853i Q&A to continue the discussion.
Hello there.
I am thinking of buying CC2 teyes.
Did you satisfied? Should I buy it?
Is the fm tuner that I wonder the most, is it powerful?
bicer79 said:
Hello there.
I am thinking of buying CC2 teyes.
Did you satisfied? Should I buy it?
Is the fm tuner that I wonder the most, is it powerful?
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It work great. I have CC2 plus the best radio in nowadays
I have a different question.
Is it possible to modify the system and transfer from TEYES TPRO2 to the previous TPRO version?
Teyes Tpro2
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Head Unit Recommendation for Car Dash Board

I have a generic 9" Android Head Unit (K6_11_OH??) running Realdash app as a car dash board.
It works quite well using both of the USB ports for serial data (UART) and GPS input. Basically nothing else is required other than wifi to install head unit app
Main issue I have is the head unit re-assigns the USB COM ports each time it powers off and back on. This is annoying as I need to re-assign the dash app inputs every time I turn it of and back on.
Can anyone recommend a generic 9" head unit and chipset combo for the following: ??
- Easy to root
- Easy to customise ROM to strip unwanted apps and bloat
- Easy to customise Launcher / UI to remove (Dash app auto launches but not good if radio also tries to auto launch)
- USB ports enabled and easy to assign and access
- GPS
- Wifi
- 2GB RAM is sufficient
- No need for any other features that add cost such as high end music features (So relatively inexpensive)
markze said:
I have a generic 9" Android Head Unit running Realdash app as a car dash board.
It works quite well using both of the USB ports for serial data (UART) and GPS input. Basically nothing else is required other than wifi to install head unit app
Main issue I have is the head unit re-assigns the USB COM ports each time it powers off and back on. This is annoying as I need to re-assign the dash app inputs every time I turn it of and back on.
Can anyone recommend a generic 9" head unit and chipset combo for the following: ??
- Easy to root
- Easy to customise ROM to strip unwanted apps and bloat
- Easy to customise Launcher / UI to remove (Dash app auto launches but not good if radio also tries to auto launch)
- USB ports enabled and easy to assign and access
- GPS
- Wifi
- 2GB RAM is sufficient
- No need for any other features that add cost such as high end music features (So relatively inexpensive)
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From forums, which units have you considered
marchnz said:
From forums, which units have you considered
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There seems to be so many options, I don't want to make the same mistake and buy another one that is not well supported, which is why I asked here.
The one I have now has firmware with K6_11_OH and the last updates I could find was 28/06/2019 and it seems they we never very widely supported.
I had a head unit for my Mazda which is nice. I got it from Bestycar which has an SC7862 chipset which is great for normal music player but more advanced and does not seem as easy to customise and simplify like I want for the basic dashboard specific use for my project car.
So I assume one of the MTC units like a PX5 or PX6 chipset might be the best way to go now?
The dash has been built using a 9" unit this exact shape and I would rather keep this the same.
markze said:
There seems to be so many options, I don't want to make the same mistake and buy another one that is not well supported, which is why I asked here.
The one I have now has firmware with K6_11_OH and the last updates I could find was 28/06/2019 and it seems they we never very widely supported.
I had a head unit for my Mazda which is nice. I got it from Bestycar which has an SC7862 chipset which is great for normal music player but more advanced and does not seem as easy to customise and simplify like I want for the basic dashboard specific use for my project car.
So I assume one of the MTC units like a PX5 or PX6 chipset might be the best way to go now?
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Don´t get your point...
You are searching for a good supported and quality head unit, right?
In this case you really should dive in at Joying for FYT units ( https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/fyt-android-head-units.12445/ ) or may be Klyde for CSN2/CSM4 units which are supported in this forum part.
At least you need to search for a unit specially for your car, or you need to search for a universal one with 2-DIN. Don´t ever buy a 1-DIN unit, as they all have severe issues with overheating if they are based on 6- or 8-core chipsets.
But by the way... the points you mentioned in your first posting... Sorry, but what do you expect to get?
I was expecting someone might say something like "UIS7862 head units seem to be the easiest to root hack and customise".
I don't actually want an expensive unit with heaps of great audio features as it is just a screen with 1 app and serial data feeds.
If I could get an Android tablet for 12V car use, with 2 x USB ports and completely raw Android ROM I'd be happy.

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