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Hello,
I'm looking for a gaming laptop. Since I always had a stationary PC before and had no experience with laptops, I wanted to get some advice from you.
Right now I'm playing CS:GO, Apex Legends and Cod Modern Warfare.
Conditions:
- large display 17 "
- Windows 10 should be included as the operating system
- I would prefer a backlit keyboard
- As described above, it should be suitable for gaming
I am ready to spend up to around $1500.
You have some HP models right now and 1500 USD will get you at best RTX2070 and 10875H on HP. I compared here some great models {Mod edit: Commercial link removed}
I recently purchased a Dell XPS 17, and I've been loving it so far. The keyboard is perfect for long typing sessions, and compared with dedicated gaming laptops, I thoroughly enjoy using the keyboard for playing games (so far I've been playing a lot of CS: GO and Resident Evil Village). But the XPS is a little out of your budget because it's starting at $1,749.99
hallil said:
Hello,
I'm looking for a gaming laptop. Since I always had a stationary PC before and had no experience with laptops, I wanted to get some advice from you.
Right now I'm playing CS:GO, Apex Legends and Cod Modern Warfare.
Conditions:
- large display 17 "
- Windows 10 should be included as the operating system
- I would prefer a backlit keyboard
- As described above, it should be suitable for gaming
I am ready to spend up to around $1500.
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I have no experience.
hallil said:
Hello,
I'm looking for a gaming laptop. Since I always had a stationary PC before and had no experience with laptops, I wanted to get some advice from you.
Right now I'm playing CS:GO, Apex Legends and Cod Modern Warfare.
Conditions:
- large display 17 "
- Windows 10 should be included as the operating system
- I would prefer a backlit keyboard
- As described above, it should be suitable for gaming
I am ready to spend up to around $1500.
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For $1500 it can be hard to find a quality laptop with a decent amount of power, but I would suggest looking at Clevo, Sager, or one of the resellers like iBuyPower. Most of these will be fairly modular to make upgrades easier, although quality is questionable and support is nonexistent. Pretty much everything on the market is going to have Windows 11. With Thunderbolt 4, there's the potential for using an external desktop GPU, but I'm going to assume you want an integrated discrete GPU.
Here's an option, OS is extra but you get a RTX 3050 paired with a Ryzen 5 5600H, 16GB 3200, and a 512GB SSD.
Here is another, comes with Windows 11 Home, RTX 3050 Ti, i7 11800H, 16GB 3200, 512GB SSD.
Yet another.
So around $1300, it looks like you'll be looking at a RTX 3050, a mid-upper range CPU, 16GB RAM (which is plenty IMO), and a 512GB SSD. Most of these won't offer a GPU upgrade, but they should use MXM cards which are pretty easy to upgrade. You might be able to get deals on m.2 SSDs and 2.5" HDDs on Amazon.
9 years ago, $1500 got me an Alienware 17: i7 4700MQ, GTX 770M, 16GB 1200, 240GB SATA3 HDD, and Windows Vista. I upgraded to twin 1TB HDDs a few years ago, and am about to upgrade to a 980m and a 512GB SSD this weekend.
If you don't absolutely need a laptop, you can build a decent PC for under $1000 with similar specs to the laptops.
hallil said:
Hello,
I'm looking for a gaming laptop. Since I always had a stationary PC before and had no experience with laptops, I wanted to get some advice from you.
Right now I'm playing CS:GO, Apex Legends and Cod Modern Warfare.
Conditions:
- large display 17 "
- Windows 10 should be included as the operating system
- I would prefer a backlit keyboard
- As described above, it should be suitable for gaming
I am ready to spend up to around $1500.
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You can get a base model Alienware Aurora R13 desktop pc with midrange specs for $1500
What would be the best components to upgrade on my setup
Intel Core i5-8400
8GB RAM
1TB HDD
4GB Intel Optane
Nvidia GTX 1050
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What would be the best components to upgrade on my setup
Intel Core i5-8400
8GB RAM
1TB HDD
4GB Intel Optane
Nvidia GTX 1050
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Hello,
that depends on what you want to do with your PC. The mainboard is the base and limiter for all other components except the power supply(in most cases).
Well, i only have a acer pre-built the motherboard is acers....
I want to use it for video rendering or gaming
It can run pretty much anything I think I've seen people upgrade it to an rtx and stuff
@Kenora_I if it was me, and I just did this upgrade 2 weeks ago and am loving it, If your 1tb of storage isn't a Nvme/M.2 I would do that. I had a 2.5 in sata had and for $80 on Newegg I got a WD 1TB sata m.2 and it's night and day difference. Boots in like 15 secs, instant response when multitasking etc. And I just use PC for everything but gaming. So coding/compiling is a mind blown difference lol
If I was you I would start saving for a new built to be honest, aim for a B550/B550M with a Ryzen 5600X for example. Video rendering and gaming will soon become a stretch on that system if it isn't already.
Assuming the power supply is non standard and not easily upgraded, the only real bottleneck that can be remedied is storage. Agree an M2 ssd would be best upgrade likely available.
CamoGeko said:
If I was you I would start saving for a new built to be honest, aim for a B550/B550M with a Ryzen 5600X for example. Video rendering and gaming will soon become a stretch on that system if it isn't already.
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I have the money, but I just hate the price inflation due to the chip shortages.
Dont wanna end up like one of those people with less RAM performance that LTT demonstrated in one of his vids
Kenora_I said:
I have the money, but I just hate the price inflation due to the chip shortages.
Dont wanna end up like one of those people with less RAM performance that LTT demonstrated in one of his vids
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I would build new since you have several things that could use an upgrade in the next year or two. Adding upgrades to an older oem board is just money you will never recover for an end result of a PC still in need of a mobo upgrade.
Building new doesn't have to be that expensive nor does it have to be overpriced ryzen. I threw together an example here . Room to expand RAM by 2 slots later if needed. Less than $600 bucks and could use your GTX 1050 until you get an email that it's your turn to buy card at MSRP.
EVGA's notify list works, may take 2 or 3 months but you can get a card at MSRP.
In my opinion it would be best to wait until prices falls down to regular prices.
But you may consider getting SSD and HDD as you've mentioned you would be playing games and 1TB isn't sufficient.
You can look for case or better case fan if needed.
Mechanical keyboard and Mouse can be consider too.
You haven't mentioned about the PSU you may also consider that if you are looking forward to getting power hungry GPU in future.
Get a cooler if needed if prices are fair enough for it. (if you get one then get one where you don't have to buy one if you choose to upgrade to latest CPU.
In my opinion this are some possible upgrade you can make with your currant build.
If in case you choose to make new build in future then don't upgrade anything in this build presuming that you don't have any issue with currant build and your build gets job done.
In short upgrade if needed or just don't upgrade besides storage.
tek3195 said:
EVGA's notify list works, may take 2 or 3 months but you can get a card at MSRP.
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I have been on the EVGA list since beginning of the year, the only email I got from them was to tell me they're swapping the model I actually wanted to a low hash model. Thanks EVGA, how about you just make me a GPU. It's been 6 months.
CamoGeko said:
I have been on the EVGA list since beginning of the year, the only email I got from them was to tell me they're swapping the model I actually wanted to a low hash model. Thanks EVGA, how about you just make me a GPU. It's been 6 months.
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Must depend on model. I signed up in Feb. and didn't have the money when 1660 ti came up, resubmitted for 1660 super and got it a couple of weeks ago. It's gotta be model, location shouldn't matter I wouldn't think. I don't know how they do it, but 6 months sucks.
CamoGeko said:
I have been on the EVGA list since beginning of the year, the only email I got from them was to tell me they're swapping the model I actually wanted to a low hash model. Thanks EVGA, how about you just make me a GPU. It's been 6 months.
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lol
ohjabarn said:
Tempted to upgrade my 2080 ti to a gigabyte 3080 ti so got it from NEWEGG however not certain my PSU would be adequate. PSU and everything (I imagine) that draws power are recorded underneath:
1 x Seasonic Focus Plus 750W 80 Plus Gold Modular Power Supply
1 x Intel Core i9-9900K 3.6GHz (Coffee Lake) Socket LGA1151 Processor
1 x Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Elite Intel Z390 (Socket 1151) DDR4 ATX Motherboard
1 x Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-24000C16 3000MHz Dual Channel Kit
1 x Samsung 2TB 860 EVO SSD 2.5" SATA 6Gbps 64 Layer 3D V-NAND Solid State Drive
6 x Corsair ML120 Pro RGB 120mm Premium Fan with Lighting Node
1 x Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro 4 air cooler
Cheers generally functioning admirably.
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You should be good, 750W is what EVGA Power Meter recommends for the components you listed. There are quite a few power supply calculators available online.
So, it really depends on what you want to do with your PC. Do you want to make your PC more suitable for gaming or work? As an example, I use editing software from Movavi and it requires a lot of good components such as SSD, high-end processor and of course a lot of RAM. From my point of view, you need to change your HDD to SSD and add more RAM, so you'll have a very powerful machine.
Now would be the time to start looking at things as prices are falling.
A buddy of mine needed me to build him a working PC out of 3 different machines: Dell Optiplex, Compaq Presario, and a cheapo eMachines. My payment was the leftovers . Out of the mess I was able to build his computer, plus assemble one for myself: he got the eMachines and I kept the Dell and Compaq, which also works, since he only wanted one decent PC.
Optiplex 790 mini tower
3.1 GHz intel i5-2400 quad core
7 GB RAM
Seagate 250 GB HDD (later upgraded to 500 GB SSD)
Additional 500 GB and 160 GB HDDs for storage (all drives SATA)
Onboard intel Graphics (later upgraded to nVidia Quadro 600 1024 MB dual display with 1 DVI [adapted into VGA] and 1 DisplayPort [adapted into HDMI] { I dropped the ball on port types, forgot to even look at what I was buying })
2.4/5 GHz dual band wifi network card w/ dual antennas
ATI USB Media Remote
Windows 7 Professional
I currently have 3 pointing devices connected: Logitech Trackball mouse, Monoprice Pen Tablet, and Microsoft Mouse / keyboard combo. I occasionally have a small hanheld trackball mouse attached, and an Apple USB keyboard with 2 USB ports, (like I should need more, the tower has 10 built-in USB ports already.)
bluestacks only need cpu power like more core/threads will be a good thing to have
zoel.fahmi said:
bluestacks only need cpu power like more core/threads will be a good thing to have
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Oh yes, I do agree on that, except, I did mention "initially" as to it's purpose; Steam and Epic games are the main hubs I use on it.
Did forget to mention . . . I only spent $60 on the whole system, and that was the price for the nVidia card
Hello everyone!
First of all thanks to those who read and / or respond and sorry for my English.
I'm thinking of building a build with a budget around €450\€500.
The use that I will make of this pc is relatively basic, casual game without big pretensions, surfing the web, streaming, watching videos, music, modding with the phone and the like, but I would like a good pc, which at least as long as my current one, 14 years old, (that's why it's time to retire that acer intel 2 duo).
Let's get down to business, the configuration I thought of (after hours of research and pricing) is this.
{For the moment without a dedicated video card because otherwise I have to sell a kidney ...}
MOBO:
ASUS TUF GAMING B560M-PLUS WIFI LGA 1200;
CPU:
IINTEL i3 10320 or 10100;
RAM:
G.SKILL RIPJAWS V DDR4 3200 MHZ 8GB (2X4GB) CL16;
SSD:
SAMSUNG 980 M.2 250 GB PCI EXPRESS 3.0 V-NAND NVME;
PSU:
EVGA 450 80+ BRONZE 450W
CASE:
AEROCOOL BIONIC -G-BK-V2;
in addition I also have 4 hhd sata, 320gb, 250gb, 160gb and 120gb, which I will replace later with a 500gb or 1tb hdd or ssd.
This is my starting point while staying in a budget of 480 €, which I would later like to enrich with a new hdd \ ssd, dedicated video card, and maybe 2 more ram banks. I chose this motherboard because I trust asus and then in a more distant future I can replace the cpu with an 11th generation one.
What do you think?
Advice?
some advice
for cpu: i have no comment/advice. assuming you already know the 10100 have integrated gpu and also comes with cooler
for mobo: do you have router/modem installed in your house (direct lan connection pc to router). if you do have, you dont need extra wifi module for your mobo, go for non wifi version instead or asus prime b560m (if its cheaper)
for ram/case: if you're fine with second hand ram/case, try looking that instead (ram with 2x8GB), it might be cheaper buying second hand ram/case than buying brand new.
for psu: dont cheap out your psu, if you're planning for upgrade adding gpu later its best to have good quality psu first. do your research, if you dont have money still, you can search for second hand good quality PSU atleast 500w 80+ bronze is minimum for rtx 30 /rx 6000 (evga br/bq, corsair, coolermaster, be quiet, fractal)
storage: samsung 980 is good ssd, but 256gb is not enough. i dont recommend you buying second hand ssd, there is still cheap but good ssd 2.5 inch sata
for the laptop itself: upgrading ram, upgrading to 2.5inch ssd, and install linux just for fun might a good idea, or just be a backup in case there is trouble with your new pc
hope it help you
edit: added be quiet, fractal brand
@Animalizers hi!
Thanks for reading and replying and for the good advice.
For the cpu I'm opting for the 10320 because I find it almost at the same price as the 10100, it seems a minimum more performing.
Yes, I know that it has the integrated gpu, so for the moment I can use the pc without having to take a dedicated graphics.
For the mobo I have seen that with b560m (prime or others) without wifi it costs less, however, having a router a bit far from where I will mainly go to put the pc (I will use a smart TV as a monitor) the cable connection would be cumbersome for daily use, is the reason why the wifi module is more convenient.
For the ram \ case \ psu I prefer the new one because I find the ram at 43 € \ + -50 $, the case at the same price as the ram and the psu the same.
I don't know how much I could save with the used one, but at that price it is definitely better to have a 2 or more year warranty.
Always for the ram I am undecided on the frequency, because I have read that the 10100 \ 10320 supports a maximum of 2666mhz and perhaps with the xmp profiles I can not make them work at 3200mhz, even if in anticipation of a cpu upgrade it is better to have them already at 3200 too if for the moment they will work without.
For the psu and the ssd you are right, in anticipation of a future upgrade, it is better to have a 500 \ 550w psu and a minimum of 500gb ssd, even if I intend to install only the so and some programs, then for the rest of the data use the other hhd's and keep the ssd as clean as possible.
For the laptop I have already increased the ram (recycled from another broken one) to 4gb, but the system can only manage 3 and 1 for the hardware, only that many programs I use do not run with linux so I am forced to use it with that boulder of win10 (I really care, it was my first pc ) in fact I thought I would immediately take an SSD to then transfer to the new one, I will definitely keep it as a spare, as I keep another desktop assembled by me with recycled pieces from other computers but he too is very obsolete mounts an amd athton 64x2, also 3gb ram and with linux it is pretty good.
now I would really like to have something of the new generation, as I said before I have been standing still for 14 years with my Acer but now it is very tried, look at these photos
I bought optiplex 990 renewed version from Amazon at just 180 pounds. It has i7 processor, 16gb ram, 250gb ssd + 1tb HDD, Windows 10 pro OEM installed.
Only down side is, it has only integrated intel graphics 2000HD. But if you purchase Nvida gt1030 low profile grafics card for another 80 pounds, will easily fit in to the rig...
@manurahim hi!
hi! I have seen the refurbished of amazon and for those prices they are apeatable offers.
However, as I said before, my maximum budget is 500 euros which would be more or less 428 pounds or 580 dollars, my intent is to assemble a pc with a penultimate or last generation configuration, therefore trying to avoid pre-assembled or reconditioned \ regenerated.
In those I have seen on Amazon are mounted i5 \ i7 second, third or maximum fourth generation, this means that they are cpu of 2011 \ 2012 and are almost the age of my acer.
Note that an i7 2xxx or 3xxx has the same features as an i3 10xxx, only it is a newer (2020) cpu and is on the win11 compatible cpu list.
I would like to assemble it myself because I like to do it and then with a good research and a little patience you can save something compared to a pre-assembled configuration
Oh. Ok.
RollDload said:
@Animalizers hi!
Thanks for reading and replying and for the good advice.
For the cpu I'm opting for the 10320 because I find it almost at the same price as the 10100, it seems a minimum more performing.
Yes, I know that it has the integrated gpu, so for the moment I can use the pc without having to take a dedicated graphics.
For the mobo I have seen that with b560m (prime or others) without wifi it costs less, however, having a router a bit far from where I will mainly go to put the pc (I will use a smart TV as a monitor) the cable connection would be cumbersome for daily use, is the reason why the wifi module is more convenient.
For the ram \ case \ psu I prefer the new one because I find the ram at 43 € \ + -50 $, the case at the same price as the ram and the psu the same.
I don't know how much I could save with the used one, but at that price it is definitely better to have a 2 or more year warranty.
Always for the ram I am undecided on the frequency, because I have read that the 10100 \ 10320 supports a maximum of 2666mhz and perhaps with the xmp profiles I can not make them work at 3200mhz, even if in anticipation of a cpu upgrade it is better to have them already at 3200 too if for the moment they will work without.
For the psu and the ssd you are right, in anticipation of a future upgrade, it is better to have a 500 \ 550w psu and a minimum of 500gb ssd, even if I intend to install only the so and some programs, then for the rest of the data use the other hhd's and keep the ssd as clean as possible.
For the laptop I have already increased the ram (recycled from another broken one) to 4gb, but the system can only manage 3 and 1 for the hardware, only that many programs I use do not run with linux so I am forced to use it with that boulder of win10 (I really care, it was my first pc ) in fact I thought I would immediately take an SSD to then transfer to the new one, I will definitely keep it as a spare, as I keep another desktop assembled by me with recycled pieces from other computers but he too is very obsolete mounts an amd athton 64x2, also 3gb ram and with linux it is pretty good.
now I would really like to have something of the new generation, as I said before I have been standing still for 14 years with my Acer but now it is very tried, look at these photos
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Why not just do the core i5 10400, or 10400f ? I mean there's a maybe $60 difference, and performance is right nice for the price. Same with mobo, go a z490 or z590 and give some future upgrades. I just ordered a msi z590A pro and a 10600k for $399
WillisD said:
Why not just do the core i5 10400, or 10400f ? I mean there's a maybe $60 difference, and performance is right nice for the price. Same with mobo, go a z490 or z590 and give some future upgrades. I just ordered a msi z590A pro and a 10600k for $399
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i looked and with that extra $ 60 i go over budget, surely the performance with that cpu and motherboard is better, but with 390 $ I get the b560 (with wifi which for me is very useful even if I lose some features with a less expensive chipset) the 10320 and the ram
RollDload said:
i looked and with that extra $ 60 i go over budget, surely the performance with that cpu and motherboard is better, but with 390 $ I get the b560 (with wifi which for me is very useful even if I lose some features with a less expensive chipset) the 10320 and the ram
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Look for local listings, facebook marketplace, amazon, get it used for even cheaper
Hi everyone,
Currently, I am using ASUS K53SD laptop for video editing and photoshop but now my computer is showing slowness, and now don't have enough money to buy a new computer so I hope you guys can give me some advice. some suggestions to upgrade the hardware are that the price is most reasonable.
Specification
CPU: Intel Core i5 - 2450M
RAM: 8GB
HDD: 1TB
VGA: Intel HD Graphic 3000 + Nvidia Geforce 610M
WLAN: Atheros AR5B195
Thank you!
I believe your first, best, and maybe only option is to replace the old HDD with a new SSD of similar capacity depending on your budget/needs. The speed increase of the SSD should be quite noticeable from the time it takes your computer to boot to the read/write times of your editing. I would start there.
elbonnor said:
I believe your first, best, and maybe only option is to replace the old HDD with a new SSD of similar capacity depending on your budget/needs. The speed increase of the SSD should be quite noticeable from the time it takes your computer to boot to the read/write times of your editing. I would start there.
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Yes, it's a great idea. can you tell me if this machine can get 16GB Ram because I do video editing is quite heavy and can you recommend a wifi card that supports Bluetooth 4.0 because I will use it with AirPods and a wireless mouse?
An increase of RAM would have been my first or next suggestion but a quick Google search of your laptap told me the max RAM your laptop will accept is only 8GB ...As far as the wifi cards, I cannot say but I would suggest an external USB dongle for such things as Bluetooth and wifi in a laptop such as yours. If compatible.
trieuanh.07 said:
Hi everyone,
Currently, I am using ASUS K53SD laptop for video editing and photoshop but now my computer is showing slowness, and now don't have enough money to buy a new computer so I hope you guys can give me some advice. some suggestions to upgrade the hardware are that the price is most reasonable.
Specification
CPU: Intel Core i5 - 2450M
RAM: 8GB
HDD: 1TB
VGA: Intel HD Graphic 3000 + Nvidia Geforce 610M
WLAN: Atheros AR5B195
Thank you!
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Just because the specs state that the max RAM supported is 8GB doesn't mean it can't use more, especially if the CPU you have has microcoding to support more than the overall system specs stated by the manufacturer. I had a Dell inspiron N5110 laptop that I upgraded the CPU to a hyper threaded quad core and upgraded the RAM to 16GB of Gskill RAM even though the specs said it would only support 8GB, it used the full 16GB with no issue.
Upgrade your RAM to 16GB of RAM that is at least the next step in mhz and install a SSD, the larger it is, the faster it will be.
If your CPU is socketed and can be upgraded, upgrade the CPU as well, if your laptop has a CPU that is soldered to the board, you can't upgrade the CPU, most laptops have soldered CPU.
elbonnor said:
An increase of RAM would have been my first or next suggestion but a quick Google search of your laptap told me the max RAM your laptop will accept is only 8GB ...As far as the wifi cards, I cannot say but I would suggest an external USB dongle for such things as Bluetooth and wifi in a laptop such as yours. If compatible.
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That uses old i5 cpu ...it is a 47ish watt so got to stay in that realm. ASus should have a compatibility matrix for that series .. Every laptop manufacture used a similar build. Lenovo. Dell and others... I am working on 3 lenovo⁸ to replace broken screens. So I sourcing screens can get a HD from better model and I can even go to an 8th generation i7 6700mx from a i3.. replacing mem so I will have 16gb not 4gm...
Buy part laptops of ebay...40 to 100 buks...or I going to use the phones I have w broken screens into my new kali and steam game machines for niece an nephew..
I can tell say the older laptops like yours may be a socket....look up pics for your motherboard on asus ebay..hell thay may be even listed..Asus runs with Dell.. so look for Dell latitude similar model number..
Cool thing is the laptops were all modular.
ALPHA Netwoks makes both NVma and ePCi.wifi and BT cards.. I think yours is the ePcmcia card....that old credit card size things you could expand your laptop with perifials but it is on a card slot...
Good luck
Hi, friend. Usually with the change from mechanical hard disk to ssd a considerable increase in data access speed is achieved, replacing the ram memories with more current ones with greater speed and capacity we also manage to improve speed. Now, you work with video editing, it's hard for me to understand that you're still taking advantage of that veteran Asus, but I see that you're daring and that you're not going to give up easily and I like that hahaha. Personally I recommend you get an intel i7 2670QM and replace it, update all the firmware (possibly you will have already updated the bios, if you haven't already the time has come but there are more upgradable components, do it with everything you can). On the other hand, working mainly with video applications you should replace the graphics card, with that Nvidia Geforce 610M you can't do big things anymore. I can look for a list of compatible graphics if you're willing to update it, but probably by getting one of at least 2Gb, even if it's the same model, you'll already notice a big difference, especially since when it comes to processing the video you won't need to go as far. assiduously to ram memory.
Of course, let's start at the beginning:
Disassemble that notebook, disassemble fans, processors, chipset and everything you can disassemble to replace the thermal putty and thoroughly clean all the equipment because by forcing it a little more the temperature will also be higher.
If you want to go further, reply to the message, I'm already a computer dinosaur but I'm still as passionate as the first day and I wouldn't mind dedicating a few hours to help you.
Thanks for everyone's suggestions, I'm currently using a ThinkPad X1 Carbon, so I'll give this laptop to my brother in the countryside. Anyway, thank you very much, everyone.
trieuanh.07 said:
Thanks for everyone's suggestions, I'm currently using a ThinkPad X1 Carbon, so I'll give this laptop to my brother in the countryside. Anyway, thank you very much, everyone.
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A good team that lenovo thinkpad.