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When I saw the topic of a beginner's guide to building a PC, I jumped for it because I remember building my first PC. It actually wasn't nearly as long ago as you'd think. I also remember how clueless I was. Obviously, I know about everything that goes inside of a computer, but once I was faced with the task of putting all of that together, I was like a deer in headlights.
PrerequisitesLet's start off with a list of everything that you're going to need:
CPU
Thermal paste
Motherboard
CPU cooler
Case
Power supply
RAM
Storage
GPU (optional unless you have an Intel F-series processor)
An operating system
And then, of course, don't forget about the necessary peripherals:
Monitor
Keyboard
Mouse
Speakers
Webcam
External peripherals are beyond the scope of this post, but take note of what you need, keeping in mind that the PC you're building doesn't have the built-in parts of an all-in-one PC, like a microphone, speakers, and a webcam.
How to get started or: Pick a CPUFirst of all, and I cannot stress this enough, PCPartPicker is your friend. The site lets you plug in a list of parts that you're planning on using and it will tell you if there are any compatibility issues. It's super useful. In fact, even if you know that your parts should be good to go, run them through PCPartPicker anyway just to make sure.
The other key thing you need to do when getting started is to pick a CPU. This is an important first step because you're pretty much building out the PC around this choice. There aren't any motherboards that support both Intel and AMD CPUs.
Choosing between AMD and Intel (see, I didn't put the same company first twice in a row so you guys can't yell at me) is the first step. Once you do that, you can decide what kind of performance that you need. I wrote a guide to Intel CPUs and what the product names mean. With AMD, you have Ryzen 3, Ryzen 5, Ryzen 7, and Ryzen 9, and performance goes according to how high that number is. The same goes with Intel and the Core i3, Core i5, Core i7, and Core i9.
Intel has a bunch of different suffixes. If there isn't one, it's a standard 65W desktop processor, so something like a Core i5-11600 is pretty mainstream. Add a K and it's now a 125W processor that's unlocked for overclocking. And as mentioned above, an F means that it does not have integrated graphics, so you'll need a graphics card.
Pick a motherboard, or a case, or bothNext, you have to pick a motherboard and a case. I'm including both in this section because it's a matter of priorities. Do you want a case that fits your motherboard or a motherboard that fits your case? If you already know what case you want to use, start there and find motherboards that work. If not, start with a motherboard that has what you want.
First, let's cut your motherboard choices in half. If you're using AMD Ryzen, you need an AM4 socket. In you're using Intel 10th- or 11th-gen, you need an LGA 1200 socket. Note that with Intel, 12th-gen will use a new socket, so this is not upgradeable.
Next, you have to pick the size of your motherboard, and this is where compatibility with the case comes in. There's eATX, ATX, mATX, and mini-ITX, all in size order. This very much comes down to how big of a PC you want to build. Looking for something that's super-small and can hide behind your monitor? That's where mini-ITX comes in. Want something big and beefy that's going to have some serious power and thermals? Go for eATX.
When picking a case, it will tell you what size board it can fit. Obviously, the CPU, motherboard, and case choices go hand in hand.
Now that you've narrowed down your motherboard choices to the socket and the size, you're in good shape. It's time to start looking at ports, PCIe slots, and more. Make sure that you've got the ports to plug in what you need and the latest USB standard. Make sure you've got enough memory slots. A big one is the graphics card you want to use. Make sure there's room for it not only on the board, but in the case.
Pick a CPU cooler and thermal pasteNow, it's time to figure out how you're going to keep that CPU cool. Here's the bottom line. The more your CPU heats up, the worse the performance gets. The cooler you can keep it, the more it can sustain peak performance.
The first thing that you have to choose between is air cooling and liquid cooling, and there are pros and cons to each. Air coolers can be easier to install and more cost-effective, but if you want a good one, they take up a lot of space. Liquid cooling can be better if you plan on doing a lot of overclocking.
Personally, I'm a big fan of air coolers from Noctua. I use a Noctua NH-U12A, which is not only designed to be one of the best air coolers around, but it's quiet too.
So, after you decide if you want liquid or air cooling, you then have to looking at how cool it keeps the CPU and also how much noise it makes. That noise is important.
Then there's the thermal paste, which sits between the CPU and the CPU cooler. The more evenly it's applied, the better the cooling. Many CPU coolers, like the one I mentioned above from Noctua, come with thermal paste. You can always shop around though. A tube of thermal paste costs under $10, so using the best one there is should be an easy way to keep your CPU cool.
Pick a power supply and a GPUAs you can see, a lot of these parts go hand in hand. In fact, once you've put this all together, you'll find that they all go hand in hand. But we can't talk about the power supply without picking a GPU.
Picking a GPU is optional. Like I said, you might want a simple productivity machine with a Core i5 and integrated graphics. You also might want a gaming rig with an NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090. And then there's everything in-between.
With that in mind, you need to pick a power supply. This is an area that you'd definitely be well-off to use PCPartPicker for. It will tell you the wattage of all of the parts you've picked so far, and then tell you if there are any compatibility issues with you pick a power supply. I'd suggest picking one with plenty of wattage to spare so you can upgrade down the line.
Another thing is that you should definitely get a modular PSU (power supply unit). That means that the power cables aren't attached to the PSU itself. You can add cables as you need to, and since you're a builder now, you're probably going to need to at some point.
The other thing that's important is efficiency. You'll see an 80 PLUS rating that can be Bronze, Silver, Gold, Platinum, or Titanium. This is important, because it's based on how much power is lost due to heat.
RAM, storage, and OSIf you've made it this far, you're in good shape. This is the easy part.
With RAM, you want more, and you want faster. It's that simple. You can also look up how fast of memory your CPU supports and go for that. The same goes for storage. An M.2 SSD is the way to go if you can, but there are also SATA SSDs. You can get an HDD if you're on a really tight budget, but I don't recommend it.
As far as the OS goes, it's between Windows and Linux. Windows costs money; Linux doesn't. I'm not really here to tell you which one you should go for.
Putting it all togetherAlright, you've got all of your parts and you're ready to build your dream PC! It's the second-most exciting feeling behind the first boot.
Most of this is going to be about plugging things in where they fit, but sadly, it's not that simple. You need to start working through the manuals that came with your motherboard and your case. Those are going to tell you exactly what to plug in where, and most of it is fairly straightforward. There are few things that will actually break if you do them wrong.
The one thing that will break if you do it wrong is installing the CPU in the motherboard. It's important not to apply any unnecessary pressure when doing this because you could bend the pins on the chip or the board (depending on who made the CPU). Damage one of those and you've got some very expensive paperweights very quickly. To be clear, there's nothing to be afraid of here and it's very easy to do. Practice some healthy caution and you'll be fine.
Installing the motherboard in the case is something you'll need to follow instructions to do, which is fine, as it's easy enough. Once it's screwed into place, there will be several cables in the case that have to plug into the board. These will be for fans built into the case, for additional USB ports, and so on.
The other thing you'll have to install in the case is the PSU. Read the instructions and make sure the fan in the PSU is facing the right way. This is not something that you want to do incorrectly. There are a few cables to plug into the case and the board. Once the GPU is installed, you'll have to plug that in too.
Next, you'll probably be installing the CPU cooler. Make sure to apply thermal paste before you do. A pea-sized dot right in the middle of the CPU will do it. Do your best to bring the cooler directly down on the CPU, rather than doing it from an angle. This will spread it evenly across the chip.
Obviously, the graphics card, the storage, and RAM can fit into their respective slot. Note that for most boards, if you have four RAM slots and you only have two RAM sticks, you're better off separating them by one slot for dual-channel memory.
Once that's all done, you should be ready to plug it in and boot it up. You might not want to close the case on first-run, so you can make sure all of the fans are spinning. You can plug your USB drive with the OS into a USB port and boot into it to install the operating system.
Something went wrong!Well, you've made it this far and now something doesn't work. Isn't that always the way it goes?
The most common problem is probably that you pressed the power button and nothing happened. After all, if the thing that went wrong is that you broke something, you should just buy a new one.
If it's not booting, now it's time to start checking cables. Make sure that everything is plugged in securely, particularly the CPU cooler. Make sure that the PSU cables are plugged in at both ends. If there were any steps you weren't sure about, such as if you plugged something in in the right spot, revisit it.
If you just can't figure it out, come back here and ask for help.
Question @therichwoods --- I'm an extremely heavy user of Chrome. I'm talking dozens of tabs open at all times in multiple windows. I assume I'm going to want to maximize my RAM to take full advantage? Or is CPU/GPU also important in my case?
svetius said:
Question @therichwoods --- I'm an extremely heavy user of Chrome. I'm talking dozens of tabs open at all times in multiple windows. I assume I'm going to want to maximize my RAM to take full advantage? Or is CPU/GPU also important in my case?
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TBH CPU is always important. But RAM should definitely be a priority.
Hi
Just upgraded my complete system from an AMD FX8350 with 32gb Ram to a Ryzen 5 3600 with 32gb ram. Currently using my old HD7870 Graphics cards in Crossfire but as these are now nine years old am looking to upgrade to a more recent card(s) bearing in mind that I am a pensioner and it has taken me a year to gather new, system, what would you recommend in Graphics cards for this build.
Motherboard is an MSI B450 Gaming Plus Max, Ram is Corsair DDR4 2666 4x8Gb. TIA
Stransky said:
Hi
Just upgraded my complete system from an AMD FX8350 with 32gb Ram to a Ryzen 5 3600 with 32gb ram. Currently using my old HD7870 Graphics cards in Crossfire but as these are now nine years old am looking to upgrade to a more recent card(s) bearing in mind that I am a pensioner and it has taken me a year to gather new, system, what would you recommend in Graphics cards for this build.
Motherboard is an MSI B450 Gaming Plus Max, Ram is Corsair DDR4 2666 4x8Gb. TIA
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That really depends what you want to do with your graphics card. Looking for a GTX1060/1660 might be a good idea, I had the latter one and you can play a lot of recent games in high settings with your ryzen.
Keep in mind buying a graphics card nowadays is REALLY expensive, even used ones, when you can get one. New ones are sold over the recommended manufacturer prices due to the mining scene and Corona!
Stransky said:
Hi
Just upgraded my complete system from an AMD FX8350 with 32gb Ram to a Ryzen 5 3600 with 32gb ram. Currently using my old HD7870 Graphics cards in Crossfire but as these are now nine years old am looking to upgrade to a more recent card(s) bearing in mind that I am a pensioner and it has taken me a year to gather new, system, what would you recommend in Graphics cards for this build.
Motherboard is an MSI B450 Gaming Plus Max, Ram is Corsair DDR4 2666 4x8Gb. TIA
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You should've opted for ram with xmp since ryzen benefit the most from faster ram. I'm currently using aorus 3200mhz 2x8gb kit with xmp enabled and it's better compared to it's stock settings.
Insanenity said:
You should've opted for ram with xmp since ryzen benefit the most from faster ram. I'm currently using aorus 3200mhz 2x8gb kit with xmp enabled and it's better compared to it's stock settings.
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What's XMP?
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What's XMP?
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XMP (Extreme Memory Profiles) is a technology that allows you to change memory settings by selecting a different profile, which takes advantage of higher than standard memory speeds. Simply stated, XMP is the "easy button" of RAM overclocking, as manual RAM overclocking can be an unnecessary headache!
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RAM over 2400Mhz is overclocked. X.M.P is just a system to overclock your ram. It's standard now. Personally I wouldn't bother with anything over 3600Mhz as it gets too pricey for the performance. Go no lower than 2666, try for 3200 (this tends to be the cheaper one anyways). I believe you will need to enable X.M.P in your uefi when you install it otherwise you'll just be running 2400. Like Insanenity said, it's just a 1 click setup so there's no fuss.
If you're not focused on gaming; while 16GB is fine, if you find a 32GB kit in your budget than definitely get it. Get a fair CPU with over 6 cores. (so ryzen).
LTT just did a video on something that might interest you.
This could be a good option for your productivity build as it's bang for buck. But if you have the budget for R7 5000's than just go for that.
Tldr: Chrome is a ram and cpu whore, use firefox...
I'm kidding, invest in CPU and RAM more than others if chrome is your concern.
p.s. Feel free to ask questions
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That really depends what you want to do with your graphics card. Looking for a GTX1060/1660 might be a good idea, I had the latter one and you can play a lot of recent games in high settings with your ryzen.
Keep in mind buying a graphics card nowadays is REALLY expensive, even used ones, when you can get one. New ones are sold over the recommended manufacturer prices due to the mining scene and Corona!
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Thanks for the reply. Will just have to hang on to Current cards and hope prices drop in the near future on the GTX 1060/1660 cards. Too expensive for me ATM even second hand
Stransky said:
Thanks for the reply. Will just have to hang on to Current cards and hope prices drop in the near future on the GTX 1060/1660 cards. Too expensive for me ATM even second hand
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Yeah, unfortunately the prices are beyond the reality... If the bitcoin hype decreases, there might be a chance back to reality
strongst said:
Yeah, unfortunately the prices are beyond the reality... If the bitcoin hype decreases, there might be a chance back to reality
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I just caught a news story headline that 30-Series cards will be available in stores, soon at reasonable prices soon - as BTC drops below 30K this morning....
HipKat said:
I just caught a news story headline that 30-Series cards will be available in stores, soon at reasonable prices soon - as BTC drops below 30K this morning....
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Luckily I got my 3060TI in 2020 for a low price, now it costs 50-80% more
strongst said:
Luckily I got my 3060TI in 2020 for a low price, now it costs 50-80% more
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I looked and Best Buy has it for $399. Less than I paid for my 1080 2 years ago
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I looked and Best Buy has it for $399. Less than I paid for my 1080 2 years ago
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In stock for 399? Surely out of stock, otherwise it must be a mistake Sounds like the MSRP for the Founders Edition.
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In stock for 399? Surely out of stock, otherwise it must be a mistake Sounds like the MSRP for the Founders Edition.
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I'll go look again when I get a break, but I'm pretty sure you're correct about it being the founders edition
Hey, here are the specs of my current desktop. I bought it back in June 2018, and since only added more ram and an HDD, also most of my peripherals.
Specs :
CPU : Intel i5 8400
CPU cooler : Be quiet, I don't know what exactly
RAM : 16 GB Dual-Channel "DDR4 Ballistix" @ 1366MHz --> 2 at 2400MHz and 2 at 2666MHz each 4096 MB
Motherboard: ASUS TUF Z370-PLUS GAMING
GPU : 3071 MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 3 GB (EVGA)
Storage : - 232 GB Samsung SSD 860 EVO 250 GB (SATA (SSD))
- 931 GB Seagate ST1000DM010-2EP102 (SATA)
- 931 GB Seagate ST1000DM010-2EP102 (SATA)
Power supply : I don't know, but I remember it being good 500-650W, 80+Gold, I think.
I want it to be better, any ideas on what should I update first ?
Noe367 said:
Hey, here are the specs of my current desktop. I bought it back in June 2018, and since only added more ram and an HDD, also most of my peripherals.
Specs :
CPU : Intel i5 8400
CPU cooler : Be quiet, I don't know what exactly
RAM : 16 GB Dual-Channel "DDR4 Ballistix" @ 1366MHz --> 2 at 2400MHz and 2 at 2666MHz each 4096 MB
Motherboard: ASUS TUF Z370-PLUS GAMING
GPU : 3071 MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 3 GB (EVGA)
Storage : - 232 GB Samsung SSD 860 EVO 250 GB (SATA (SSD))
- 931 GB Seagate ST1000DM010-2EP102 (SATA)
- 931 GB Seagate ST1000DM010-2EP102 (SATA)
Power supply : I don't know, but I remember it being good 500-650W, 80+Gold, I think.
I want it to be better, any ideas on what should I update first ?
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That's not a bad system in any way! The question is, in which application should your PC be better? A game? Video rendering?
And What is your resulution of your monitor(s) where your GTX1060 has to deal with?
strongst said:
That's not a bad system in any way! The question is, in which application should your PC be better? A game? Video rendering?
And What is your resulution of your monitor(s) where your GTX1060 has to deal with?
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I mostly play game, but also use a lot of cpu in others programs, so the CPU is often at 100% because of the types of games and multitasking, the GPU is also often overused, but it can be changed by reducing in game graphics but a bit annoying. Also, I have two monitors, one 2560*1440 @ 144Hz and the other is 1920*1080 @ 75Hz. I know right now GPU are a bit expensive, but if I want to change CPU I will most probably have to change the motherboard too.
Noe367 said:
I mostly play game, but also use a lot of cpu in others programs, so the CPU is often at 100% because of the types of games and multitasking, the GPU is also often overused, but it can be changed by reducing in game graphics but a bit annoying. Also, I have two monitors, one 2560*1440 @ 144Hz and the other is 1920*1080 @ 75Hz. I know right now GPU are a bit expensive, but if I want to change CPU I will most probably have to change the motherboard too.
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Yeah, the 1060 can't handle >1080p gaming at 144hz good, that's the main part you should update. You can check my Ryzen build here where I'm using similar resolutions for the monitors.
The 3060ti might be a good choice. I don't talk about the current prices at all, you know...
You can update to an i9-9900k which is ~30% faster than yours. But your processor isn't that bad, it might be more the lot of multiple tasks where you should think about more cores (10/16) in general
If you have more available bandwidth and ports consider adding more drives for the OS.
Depending on the Intel firmware there may be some interesting Raid options.
Explore your page file/drive options as well.
Just make sure to clone the OS drive for easy restore, clone before installing antivirus apps.
Keep the data off the OS drive, just apps.
Never clone data drives; copy only! Cloning media files can cause you to lose needed null marks.
strongst said:
Yeah, the 1060 can't handle >1080p gaming at 144hz good, that's the main part you should update. You can check my Ryzen build here where I'm using similar resolutions for the monitors.
The 3060ti might be a good choice. I don't talk about the current prices at all, you know...
You can update to an i9-9900k which is ~30% faster than yours. But your processor isn't that bad, it might be more the lot of multiple tasks where you should think about more cores (10/16) in general
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Thanks a lot ! Very useful
blackhawk said:
If you have more available bandwidth and ports consider adding more drives for the OS.
Depending on the Intel firmware there may be some interesting Raid options.
Explore your page file/drive options as well.
Just make sure to clone the OS drive for easy restore, clone before installing antivirus apps.
Keep the data off the OS drive, just apps.
Never clone data drives; copy only! Cloning media files can cause you to lose needed null marks.
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I might buy a .m2 drive
Noe367 said:
I might buy a .m2 drive
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I not up to date at all on the new mobos and drives... I run dinosaurs
ID your bottlenecks.
Research it thoroughly, even then it will be by trial and error.
Playing with the page file (maybe adding another fast dedicated drive) may yield good results with minimal expense/effort.
blackhawk said:
I not up to date at all on the new mobos and drives... I run dinosaurs
ID your bottlenecks.
Research it thoroughly, even then it will be by trial and error.
Playing with the page file (maybe adding another fast dedicated drive) may yield good results with minimal expense/effort.
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Yeah, thanks !!
Noe367 said:
I mostly play game, but also use a lot of cpu in others programs, so the CPU is often at 100% because of the types of games and multitasking, the GPU is also often overused, but it can be changed by reducing in game graphics but a bit annoying. Also, I have two monitors, one 2560*1440 @ 144Hz and the other is 1920*1080 @ 75Hz. I know right now GPU are a bit expensive, but if I want to change CPU I will most probably have to change the motherboard too.
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Go for a mobo with all solid state caps and preferably no electrolytics which invariably fail with age.
Gigabyte has been making all solid state mobos for over a dozen years.
blackhawk said:
Go for a mobo with all solid state caps and preferably no electrolytics which invariably fail with age.
Gigabyte has been making all solid state mobos for over a dozen years.
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Again, thank you, very helpful
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Again, thank you
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You're welcome.
Don't skip on the power supply*. Get the best you can find. A failed supply can be a real pain to troubleshoot.
Make sure it's minimum rated output supports your devices on that rail. Probably not an issue but be aware of it.
Most importantly make sure you have lots of head room on all the supply rails especially the lower voltage ones. Leave room for expansion.
Overrate by at least 20% of expected maximum surge demand for all rails.
Look closely at build quality. Does it look well built using epoxy PCBs and heavy wires?
A clean, neat layout?
Quality fans and excellent ventilation that conform to your case layout/venting needs?
Enough direct outputs to minimize preferably eliminate daisy chaining?
Long enough for the mobo and graphics card?
Note the exit point for cables, do they integrate well with your case design/layout?
Fun times
*a good case is a joy to work with and helps to protect your investment.
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You're welcome.
Don't skip on the power supply*. Get the best you can find. A failed supply can be a real pain to troubleshoot.
Make sure it's minimum rated output supports your devices on that rail. Probably not an issue but be aware of it.
Most importantly make sure you have lots of head room on all the supply rails especially the lower voltage ones. Leave room for expansion.
Overrate by at least 20% of expected maximum surge demand for all rails.
Look closely at build quality. Does it look well built using epoxy PCBs and heavy wires?
A clean, neat layout?
Quality fans and excellent ventilation that conform to your case layout/venting needs?
Enough direct outputs to minimize preferably eliminate daisy chaining?
Long enough for the mobo and graphics card?
Note the exit point for cables, do they integrate well with your case design/layout?
Fun times
*a good case is a joy to work with and helps to protect your investment.
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Awesome !
This beast or similar. The power supply goes on the bottom.
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First of all, I don't want to offend anybody that has commented their suggestions already, but in my opinion most of the replies are pretty lackluster to say the least.
Now, I saw you mentioned that you mostly play games on your PC. I'd say your CPU is still perfectly fine for most modem games, the GPU is another story though. While the standard 1060 is still a decent card, your version only has 3 GB of VRAM. This is becoming more and more of a problem in modern titles and you should consider upgrading, I'd say at least to a 6 GB 1060. Of course, the current market is awful and you shouldn't spend too much money on that old of a GPU, but if you can find one at a decent price, it might be worth a buy.
Other than that, your system is pretty well specced out in my opinion, you might want to sort out that RAM situation and get a matching kit of DDR4 at a decent clock speed, your description seems a bit all over the place in that regard. 16 GB of RAM is still perfectly fine, I wouldn't recommend a capacity upgrade, but matching sticks with matching speeds can do wonders.
Furthermore, I'd consider a bigger SSD, but your current storage configuration should provide enough space and as long as the OS is located on the SSD performance shouldn't be too bad either.
Finally, whatever you do, getting a 9900k, like somebody suggested, is a bad idea in my opinion. If you don't want to do any serious overclocking or have to do **very** CPU-intensive tasks, your 8400 should still hold up well. If you go for a 9900k you might as well build a new system because you're probably gonna need a new motherboard, CPU Cooler and definitely a GPU upgrade so the 9900k doesn't have to live in bottleneck hell. Incase you absolutely want to upgrade the CPU, I'd say go for an i7 of the 8th generation, as you'll be able to expect better performance than from your i5 thanks to multithreading while not having to upgrade any others parts mentioned above.
So, to conclude: You should upgrade your GPU. Go for something like the 6 GB 1060 or better. Search around on the internet for GPUs that work well with your processor. Maybe get some matching RAM. If you still have money to spend, a bigger SSD might make everything a bit snappier. I wouldn't consider upgrading the CPU.
And, a last final note: Make sure you don't exceed your PSU's wattage, definitely check before buying any upgrades.
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First of all, I don't want to offend anybody that has commented their suggestions already, but in my opinion most of the replies are pretty lackluster to say the least.
Now, I saw you mentioned that you mostly play games on your PC. I'd say your CPU is still perfectly fine for most modem games, the GPU is another story though. While the standard 1060 is still a decent card, your version only has 3 GB of VRAM. This is becoming more and more of a problem in modern titles and you should consider upgrading, I'd say at least to a 6 GB 1060. Of course, the current market is awful and you shouldn't spend too much money on that old of a GPU, but if you can find one at a decent price, it might be worth a buy.
Other than that, your system is pretty well specced out in my opinion, you might want to sort out that RAM situation and get a matching kit of DDR4 at a decent clock speed, your description seems a bit all over the place in that regard. 16 GB of RAM is still perfectly fine, I wouldn't recommend a capacity upgrade, but matching sticks with matching speeds can do wonders.
Furthermore, I'd consider a bigger SSD, but your current storage configuration should provide enough space and as long as the OS is located on the SSD performance shouldn't be too bad either.
Finally, whatever you do, getting a 9900k, like somebody suggested, is a bad idea in my opinion. If you don't want to do any serious overclocking or have to do **very** CPU-intensive tasks, your 8400 should still hold up well. If you go for a 9900k you might as well build a new system because you're probably gonna need a new motherboard, CPU Cooler and definitely a GPU upgrade so the 9900k doesn't have to live in bottleneck hell. Incase you absolutely want to upgrade the CPU, I'd say go for an i7 of the 8th generation, as you'll be able to expect better performance than from your i5 thanks to multithreading while not having to upgrade any others parts mentioned above.
So, to conclude: You should upgrade your GPU. Go for something like the 6 GB 1060 or better. Search around on the internet for GPUs that work well with your processor. Maybe get some matching RAM. If you still have money to spend, a bigger SSD might make everything a bit snappier. I wouldn't consider upgrading the CPU.
And, a last final note: Make sure you don't exceed your PSU's wattage, definitely check before buying any upgrades.
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Thanks, now I have the choice and many opinions to make my own choice
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This beast or similar. The power supply goes on the bottom.
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I have an In Win, this is fine for me, for the moment. Will also see that !
Noe367 said:
I have an In Win, this is fine for me, for the moment. Will also see that !
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It's a real clean layout. Power harnesses run behind a steel inner panel for better shielding, out of sight and out of the way.
Plenty of cooling with the ability to expand cooling if needed. It's solid and heavy.
Antec cases come with a parts manifest as well.
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It's a real clean layout. Power harnesses run behind a steel inner panel for better shielding, out of sight and out of the way.
Plenty of cooling with the ability to expand cooling if needed. It's solid and heavy.
Antec cases come with a parts manifest as well.
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Oh cool, will look into that when needed !
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Hey, here are the specs of my current desktop. I bought it back in June 2018, and since only added more ram and an HDD, also most of my peripherals.
Specs :
CPU : Intel i5 8400
CPU cooler : Be quiet, I don't know what exactly
RAM : 16 GB Dual-Channel "DDR4 Ballistix" @ 1366MHz --> 2 at 2400MHz and 2 at 2666MHz each 4096 MB
Motherboard: ASUS TUF Z370-PLUS GAMING
GPU : 3071 MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 3 GB (EVGA)
Storage : - 232 GB Samsung SSD 860 EVO 250 GB (SATA (SSD))
- 931 GB Seagate ST1000DM010-2EP102 (SATA)
- 931 GB Seagate ST1000DM010-2EP102 (SATA)
Power supply : I don't know, but I remember it being good 500-650W, 80+Gold, I think.
I want it to be better, any ideas on what should I update first ?
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gaming wise, GPU should be a priority
multi-tasking wise, buy the newest intel gen 10 or 11 also you can opt for AMD
Core i5 11th gen is a wise option
ryzen 5 3600 still good too
you'll need cpu and motherboard too
Hello everyone!
First of all thanks to those who read and / or respond and sorry for my English.
I'm thinking of building a build with a budget around €450\€500.
The use that I will make of this pc is relatively basic, casual game without big pretensions, surfing the web, streaming, watching videos, music, modding with the phone and the like, but I would like a good pc, which at least as long as my current one, 14 years old, (that's why it's time to retire that acer intel 2 duo).
Let's get down to business, the configuration I thought of (after hours of research and pricing) is this.
{For the moment without a dedicated video card because otherwise I have to sell a kidney ...}
MOBO:
ASUS TUF GAMING B560M-PLUS WIFI LGA 1200;
CPU:
IINTEL i3 10320 or 10100;
RAM:
G.SKILL RIPJAWS V DDR4 3200 MHZ 8GB (2X4GB) CL16;
SSD:
SAMSUNG 980 M.2 250 GB PCI EXPRESS 3.0 V-NAND NVME;
PSU:
EVGA 450 80+ BRONZE 450W
CASE:
AEROCOOL BIONIC -G-BK-V2;
in addition I also have 4 hhd sata, 320gb, 250gb, 160gb and 120gb, which I will replace later with a 500gb or 1tb hdd or ssd.
This is my starting point while staying in a budget of 480 €, which I would later like to enrich with a new hdd \ ssd, dedicated video card, and maybe 2 more ram banks. I chose this motherboard because I trust asus and then in a more distant future I can replace the cpu with an 11th generation one.
What do you think?
Advice?
some advice
for cpu: i have no comment/advice. assuming you already know the 10100 have integrated gpu and also comes with cooler
for mobo: do you have router/modem installed in your house (direct lan connection pc to router). if you do have, you dont need extra wifi module for your mobo, go for non wifi version instead or asus prime b560m (if its cheaper)
for ram/case: if you're fine with second hand ram/case, try looking that instead (ram with 2x8GB), it might be cheaper buying second hand ram/case than buying brand new.
for psu: dont cheap out your psu, if you're planning for upgrade adding gpu later its best to have good quality psu first. do your research, if you dont have money still, you can search for second hand good quality PSU atleast 500w 80+ bronze is minimum for rtx 30 /rx 6000 (evga br/bq, corsair, coolermaster, be quiet, fractal)
storage: samsung 980 is good ssd, but 256gb is not enough. i dont recommend you buying second hand ssd, there is still cheap but good ssd 2.5 inch sata
for the laptop itself: upgrading ram, upgrading to 2.5inch ssd, and install linux just for fun might a good idea, or just be a backup in case there is trouble with your new pc
hope it help you
edit: added be quiet, fractal brand
@Animalizers hi!
Thanks for reading and replying and for the good advice.
For the cpu I'm opting for the 10320 because I find it almost at the same price as the 10100, it seems a minimum more performing.
Yes, I know that it has the integrated gpu, so for the moment I can use the pc without having to take a dedicated graphics.
For the mobo I have seen that with b560m (prime or others) without wifi it costs less, however, having a router a bit far from where I will mainly go to put the pc (I will use a smart TV as a monitor) the cable connection would be cumbersome for daily use, is the reason why the wifi module is more convenient.
For the ram \ case \ psu I prefer the new one because I find the ram at 43 € \ + -50 $, the case at the same price as the ram and the psu the same.
I don't know how much I could save with the used one, but at that price it is definitely better to have a 2 or more year warranty.
Always for the ram I am undecided on the frequency, because I have read that the 10100 \ 10320 supports a maximum of 2666mhz and perhaps with the xmp profiles I can not make them work at 3200mhz, even if in anticipation of a cpu upgrade it is better to have them already at 3200 too if for the moment they will work without.
For the psu and the ssd you are right, in anticipation of a future upgrade, it is better to have a 500 \ 550w psu and a minimum of 500gb ssd, even if I intend to install only the so and some programs, then for the rest of the data use the other hhd's and keep the ssd as clean as possible.
For the laptop I have already increased the ram (recycled from another broken one) to 4gb, but the system can only manage 3 and 1 for the hardware, only that many programs I use do not run with linux so I am forced to use it with that boulder of win10 (I really care, it was my first pc ) in fact I thought I would immediately take an SSD to then transfer to the new one, I will definitely keep it as a spare, as I keep another desktop assembled by me with recycled pieces from other computers but he too is very obsolete mounts an amd athton 64x2, also 3gb ram and with linux it is pretty good.
now I would really like to have something of the new generation, as I said before I have been standing still for 14 years with my Acer but now it is very tried, look at these photos
I bought optiplex 990 renewed version from Amazon at just 180 pounds. It has i7 processor, 16gb ram, 250gb ssd + 1tb HDD, Windows 10 pro OEM installed.
Only down side is, it has only integrated intel graphics 2000HD. But if you purchase Nvida gt1030 low profile grafics card for another 80 pounds, will easily fit in to the rig...
@manurahim hi!
hi! I have seen the refurbished of amazon and for those prices they are apeatable offers.
However, as I said before, my maximum budget is 500 euros which would be more or less 428 pounds or 580 dollars, my intent is to assemble a pc with a penultimate or last generation configuration, therefore trying to avoid pre-assembled or reconditioned \ regenerated.
In those I have seen on Amazon are mounted i5 \ i7 second, third or maximum fourth generation, this means that they are cpu of 2011 \ 2012 and are almost the age of my acer.
Note that an i7 2xxx or 3xxx has the same features as an i3 10xxx, only it is a newer (2020) cpu and is on the win11 compatible cpu list.
I would like to assemble it myself because I like to do it and then with a good research and a little patience you can save something compared to a pre-assembled configuration
Oh. Ok.
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@Animalizers hi!
Thanks for reading and replying and for the good advice.
For the cpu I'm opting for the 10320 because I find it almost at the same price as the 10100, it seems a minimum more performing.
Yes, I know that it has the integrated gpu, so for the moment I can use the pc without having to take a dedicated graphics.
For the mobo I have seen that with b560m (prime or others) without wifi it costs less, however, having a router a bit far from where I will mainly go to put the pc (I will use a smart TV as a monitor) the cable connection would be cumbersome for daily use, is the reason why the wifi module is more convenient.
For the ram \ case \ psu I prefer the new one because I find the ram at 43 € \ + -50 $, the case at the same price as the ram and the psu the same.
I don't know how much I could save with the used one, but at that price it is definitely better to have a 2 or more year warranty.
Always for the ram I am undecided on the frequency, because I have read that the 10100 \ 10320 supports a maximum of 2666mhz and perhaps with the xmp profiles I can not make them work at 3200mhz, even if in anticipation of a cpu upgrade it is better to have them already at 3200 too if for the moment they will work without.
For the psu and the ssd you are right, in anticipation of a future upgrade, it is better to have a 500 \ 550w psu and a minimum of 500gb ssd, even if I intend to install only the so and some programs, then for the rest of the data use the other hhd's and keep the ssd as clean as possible.
For the laptop I have already increased the ram (recycled from another broken one) to 4gb, but the system can only manage 3 and 1 for the hardware, only that many programs I use do not run with linux so I am forced to use it with that boulder of win10 (I really care, it was my first pc ) in fact I thought I would immediately take an SSD to then transfer to the new one, I will definitely keep it as a spare, as I keep another desktop assembled by me with recycled pieces from other computers but he too is very obsolete mounts an amd athton 64x2, also 3gb ram and with linux it is pretty good.
now I would really like to have something of the new generation, as I said before I have been standing still for 14 years with my Acer but now it is very tried, look at these photos
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Why not just do the core i5 10400, or 10400f ? I mean there's a maybe $60 difference, and performance is right nice for the price. Same with mobo, go a z490 or z590 and give some future upgrades. I just ordered a msi z590A pro and a 10600k for $399
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Why not just do the core i5 10400, or 10400f ? I mean there's a maybe $60 difference, and performance is right nice for the price. Same with mobo, go a z490 or z590 and give some future upgrades. I just ordered a msi z590A pro and a 10600k for $399
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i looked and with that extra $ 60 i go over budget, surely the performance with that cpu and motherboard is better, but with 390 $ I get the b560 (with wifi which for me is very useful even if I lose some features with a less expensive chipset) the 10320 and the ram
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i looked and with that extra $ 60 i go over budget, surely the performance with that cpu and motherboard is better, but with 390 $ I get the b560 (with wifi which for me is very useful even if I lose some features with a less expensive chipset) the 10320 and the ram
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Look for local listings, facebook marketplace, amazon, get it used for even cheaper
Hi everyone,
Currently, I am using ASUS K53SD laptop for video editing and photoshop but now my computer is showing slowness, and now don't have enough money to buy a new computer so I hope you guys can give me some advice. some suggestions to upgrade the hardware are that the price is most reasonable.
Specification
CPU: Intel Core i5 - 2450M
RAM: 8GB
HDD: 1TB
VGA: Intel HD Graphic 3000 + Nvidia Geforce 610M
WLAN: Atheros AR5B195
Thank you!
I believe your first, best, and maybe only option is to replace the old HDD with a new SSD of similar capacity depending on your budget/needs. The speed increase of the SSD should be quite noticeable from the time it takes your computer to boot to the read/write times of your editing. I would start there.
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I believe your first, best, and maybe only option is to replace the old HDD with a new SSD of similar capacity depending on your budget/needs. The speed increase of the SSD should be quite noticeable from the time it takes your computer to boot to the read/write times of your editing. I would start there.
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Yes, it's a great idea. can you tell me if this machine can get 16GB Ram because I do video editing is quite heavy and can you recommend a wifi card that supports Bluetooth 4.0 because I will use it with AirPods and a wireless mouse?
An increase of RAM would have been my first or next suggestion but a quick Google search of your laptap told me the max RAM your laptop will accept is only 8GB ...As far as the wifi cards, I cannot say but I would suggest an external USB dongle for such things as Bluetooth and wifi in a laptop such as yours. If compatible.
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Hi everyone,
Currently, I am using ASUS K53SD laptop for video editing and photoshop but now my computer is showing slowness, and now don't have enough money to buy a new computer so I hope you guys can give me some advice. some suggestions to upgrade the hardware are that the price is most reasonable.
Specification
CPU: Intel Core i5 - 2450M
RAM: 8GB
HDD: 1TB
VGA: Intel HD Graphic 3000 + Nvidia Geforce 610M
WLAN: Atheros AR5B195
Thank you!
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Just because the specs state that the max RAM supported is 8GB doesn't mean it can't use more, especially if the CPU you have has microcoding to support more than the overall system specs stated by the manufacturer. I had a Dell inspiron N5110 laptop that I upgraded the CPU to a hyper threaded quad core and upgraded the RAM to 16GB of Gskill RAM even though the specs said it would only support 8GB, it used the full 16GB with no issue.
Upgrade your RAM to 16GB of RAM that is at least the next step in mhz and install a SSD, the larger it is, the faster it will be.
If your CPU is socketed and can be upgraded, upgrade the CPU as well, if your laptop has a CPU that is soldered to the board, you can't upgrade the CPU, most laptops have soldered CPU.
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An increase of RAM would have been my first or next suggestion but a quick Google search of your laptap told me the max RAM your laptop will accept is only 8GB ...As far as the wifi cards, I cannot say but I would suggest an external USB dongle for such things as Bluetooth and wifi in a laptop such as yours. If compatible.
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That uses old i5 cpu ...it is a 47ish watt so got to stay in that realm. ASus should have a compatibility matrix for that series .. Every laptop manufacture used a similar build. Lenovo. Dell and others... I am working on 3 lenovo⁸ to replace broken screens. So I sourcing screens can get a HD from better model and I can even go to an 8th generation i7 6700mx from a i3.. replacing mem so I will have 16gb not 4gm...
Buy part laptops of ebay...40 to 100 buks...or I going to use the phones I have w broken screens into my new kali and steam game machines for niece an nephew..
I can tell say the older laptops like yours may be a socket....look up pics for your motherboard on asus ebay..hell thay may be even listed..Asus runs with Dell.. so look for Dell latitude similar model number..
Cool thing is the laptops were all modular.
ALPHA Netwoks makes both NVma and ePCi.wifi and BT cards.. I think yours is the ePcmcia card....that old credit card size things you could expand your laptop with perifials but it is on a card slot...
Good luck
Hi, friend. Usually with the change from mechanical hard disk to ssd a considerable increase in data access speed is achieved, replacing the ram memories with more current ones with greater speed and capacity we also manage to improve speed. Now, you work with video editing, it's hard for me to understand that you're still taking advantage of that veteran Asus, but I see that you're daring and that you're not going to give up easily and I like that hahaha. Personally I recommend you get an intel i7 2670QM and replace it, update all the firmware (possibly you will have already updated the bios, if you haven't already the time has come but there are more upgradable components, do it with everything you can). On the other hand, working mainly with video applications you should replace the graphics card, with that Nvidia Geforce 610M you can't do big things anymore. I can look for a list of compatible graphics if you're willing to update it, but probably by getting one of at least 2Gb, even if it's the same model, you'll already notice a big difference, especially since when it comes to processing the video you won't need to go as far. assiduously to ram memory.
Of course, let's start at the beginning:
Disassemble that notebook, disassemble fans, processors, chipset and everything you can disassemble to replace the thermal putty and thoroughly clean all the equipment because by forcing it a little more the temperature will also be higher.
If you want to go further, reply to the message, I'm already a computer dinosaur but I'm still as passionate as the first day and I wouldn't mind dedicating a few hours to help you.
Thanks for everyone's suggestions, I'm currently using a ThinkPad X1 Carbon, so I'll give this laptop to my brother in the countryside. Anyway, thank you very much, everyone.
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Thanks for everyone's suggestions, I'm currently using a ThinkPad X1 Carbon, so I'll give this laptop to my brother in the countryside. Anyway, thank you very much, everyone.
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A good team that lenovo thinkpad.
Hello guys,
I ordered one MSI 3060 Ventus 2X OC about 380 euros, but then I found 6700XT is a lot better choice at the same price and I canceled the order to buy 6700XT. However I am kinda confused which brand to pick, I know it's -+ about the same perfomance but mostly wondering about Coil whine and Noise / Temps.
Could someone help me to pick the best gpu from these options: (all these are about the same price of 380-390euros) Does anyone tried any of these?
1. Sapphire Radeon RX 6700 XT 12GB GDDR6 Pulse
2. ASRock Radeon RX 6700 XT 12GB GDDR6 Challenger
3. MSI Radeon RX 6700 XT 12GB GDDR6 Mech 2X OC
4. PowerColor Radeon RX 6700 XT 12GB GDDR6 Fighter
5. Asrock RX 6700 XT Phantom Gaming D 12GB OC (405euros)
It will be combined with Intel Core i5-12600KF Processor, 32GB G.skill RAM 3200, 1440p 155 Monitor and it will replace MSI 1660 Super Gaming X.
Thanks in advance.
In my opinion, OC versions are better constructed for increased heat dissipation.
At the same time, you do not need to use OC at all.
ze7zez said:
In my opinion, OC versions are better constructed for increased heat dissipation.
At the same time, you do not need to use OC at all.
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I found 6700XT Powercolor Red Devil 12GB and Asus RTX 3060 Ti 8GB Dual V2 OC LHR both used in excelent condition with warranty 330€, so I am thinking to buy one of these two. Which one you think? I am close to 6700XT Red Devil as I hear is top tier.
Retrial said:
I found 6700XT Powercolor Red Devil 12GB and Asus RTX 3060 Ti 8GB Dual V2 OC LHR both used in excelent condition with warranty 330€, so I am thinking to buy one of these two. Which one you think? I am close to 6700XT Red Devil as I hear is top tier.
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A lot depends on what your usage preferences are. GForce drivers for linux are very limited as NVidia does not disclose the codes to build them. For this reason and more RAM, the 6700XT Powercolor Red Devil 12GB is the better choice of both cards, although it consumes 30W more power at peak. However, in video (movie) processing for Windows, the Titanium chipset may be more efficient.
Be careful when buying a card from a cryptocurrency miner. The warranty won't help if the cards were overheated. Their performance drops.
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A lot depends on what your usage preferences are. GForce drivers for linux are very limited as NVidia does not disclose the codes to build them. For this reason and more RAM, the 6700XT Powercolor Red Devil 12GB is the better choice of both cards, although it consumes 30W more power at peak. However, in video (movie) processing for Windows, the Titanium chipset may be more efficient.
Be careful when buying a card from a cryptocurrency miner. The warranty won't help if the cards were overheated. Their performance drops.
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Well my usage is mostly for gaming and slightly other stuff.
Luckily the card is not from crypto miner, I will probably get the red devil 6700xt
I think it will age better than 3060 ti.
Electronics are aging very fast!
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Electronics are aging very fast!
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indeed well seriously 8gb vram of 3060 ti I don't think will last for long, instead 12gb vram of 6700xt have plenty time to age very well
For AMDs , Sapphire & Powercolor are way to go.
Red Devil is a good choice.
But there is also a thing about warranties.
Sapphire has weird warranty rules where I live.
I wouldn't go for used TBH. I would instead get a cheap new card rather than a used one.
If you can wait 2 months, the 7xxx series should be around June-July.
karandpr said:
For AMDs , Sapphire & Powercolor are way to go.
Red Devil is a good choice.
But there is also a thing about warranties.
Sapphire has weird warranty rules where I live.
I wouldn't go for used TBH. I would instead get a cheap new card rather than a used one.
If you can wait 2 months, the 7xxx series should be around June-July.
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I can take 6700XT new at 388€ but low tier models. Red Devil seems beast compared to these low tier cards.
The guy sent me a video and screenshots, the card is in excellent condition and he didn't used it a lot, mostly for editing videos etc. He will also give me all papers for warranty etc. + he could return me the money if I install it and I have problem.
The thing with 7xxx is would be kinda expensive when they come out at September and my budget will remain the same.
Now you make me wonder 6700XT or 7xxx I was already in dilemma about 6700xt or 3060 ti and about what model.
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I can take 6700XT new at 388€ but low tier models. Red Devil seems beast compared to these low tier cards.
The guy sent me a video and screenshots, the card is in excellent condition and he didn't used it a lot, mostly for editing videos etc. He will also give me all papers for warranty etc. + he could return me the money if I install it and I have problem. I attached few screenshot below.
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Red Devil is a good series and powercolor is top 2 AMD brands so they would perform good as long as it was not used to mine.
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The thing with 7xxx is would be kinda expensive when they come out at September and my budget will remain the same.
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7900 got a price drop in a month so I think there is hope. Nah they gonna gauge us, aren't they?
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Now you make me wonder 6700XT and 7xxx I was already in dilemma about 6700xt or 3060 ti and about what model.
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Oh man.
I went from 3060 to 6650 to 6700 XT to 3060 Ti then checked the models.
Apparently, there is a 3060 Ti with a GDDR6X which makes it equivalent to 3070.
Then the Hogwarts Legacy thing hit and 8GB ram is actually not enough anymore.
So back to 6700XT / 6750 XT.
Powercolor /Asus TUF : Out of stock
Gigabyte : Coil whine
Sapphire : Only pulse models. No nitros in stock
AsRock: Lot of complaints in my place.
Asus Dual/ MSI Ventus: Not good
And then nvidia announce RTX Remix yesterday.
NVIDIA RTX Remix Modding Platform
Sign up to be notified of RTX Remix availability.
www.nvidia.com
As an old game enjoyer, this is an enticing feature.
I am just going to wait I guess.
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Red Devil is a good series and powercolor is top 2 AMD brands so they would perform good as long as it was not used to mine.
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Indeed about Powercolor I hear very good things, I must be honest as an Nvidia users for years I didn't knew that brand but with a bit search I learned it's top tier Brand along with Sapphire.
What's wrong with used if it's in an excellent condition and not extremely used? The same card new here cost 515€ and I get it 330€ with warranty. I guess the discount worth it. Then again I wondering, is it good to buy new cheap low tier model or it's better used with better price, top tier in good condition?
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7900 got a price drop in a month so I think there is hope. Nah they gonna gauge us, aren't they?
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Hehe, well I am sure, here I am gonna pay more if I go for new 7000 series plus I am gonna wait for more months, they will release at September, I expect local shops here to have them around Oct. Even now 6750XT new not the best tier costs ~450€+.
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Oh man.
I went from 3060 to 6650 to 6700 XT to 3060 Ti then checked the models.
Apparently, there is a 3060 Ti with a GDDR6X which makes it equivalent to 3070.
Then the Hogwarts Legacy thing hit and 8GB ram is actually not enough anymore.
So back to 6700XT / 6750 XT.
Powercolor /Asus TUF : Out of stock
Gigabyte : Coil whine
Sapphire : Only pulse models. No nitros in stock
AsRock: Lot of complaints in my place.
Asus Dual/ MSI Ventus: Not good
And then nvidia announce RTX Remix yesterday.
NVIDIA RTX Remix Modding Platform
Sign up to be notified of RTX Remix availability.
www.nvidia.com
As an old game enjoyer, this is an enticing feature.
I am just going to wait I guess.
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Lmao I feel you.
I ordered 3060 new gpu but then I canceled the order since I saw 6700XT had similar perfomance with 3060 ti - 3700 plus 12GB VRAM and Hogwarts came to my mind.
Now I am about to buy used 6700XT Red Devil but 2 days ago I saw the new Nvidia VLC upscaling feature + RTX Remix you show me now.... I also found a guy in reddit saying Ray Traycing/DLSS doesn't worth in 3060 ti cards and also AMD's FSR 3.0 is around the corner and nvidia will lock DLSS 3 only to 4000 series.
I am gonna cry...I don't know what to choose.
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Indeed about Powercolor I hear very good things, I must be honest as an Nvidia users for years I didn't knew that brand but with a bit search I learned it's top tier Brand along with Sapphire.
What's wrong with used if it's in an excellent condition and not extremely used? The same card new here cost 515€ and I get it 330€ with warranty. I guess the discount worth it. Then again I wondering, is it good to buy new cheap low tier model or it's better used with better price, top tier in good condition?
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Nothing wrong I guess. Unless it is used by miners. Who sometimes swap components on cards. That's the main issue I believe.
And yes the top cards are better usually.
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Hehe, well I am sure, here I am gonna pay more if I go for new 7000 series plus I am gonna wait for more months, they will release at September, I expect local shops here to have them around Oct. Even now 6750XT new not the best tier costs ~450€+.
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Oh wow. That's a huge difference. Here the difference between 6750 XT and 6700XT is around 20-30 euros.
Retrial said:
Lmao I feel you.
I ordered 3060 new gpu but then I canceled the order since I saw 6700XT had similar perfomance with 3060 ti - 3700 plus 12GB VRAM and Hogwarts came to my mind.
Now I am about to buy used 6700XT Red Devil but 2 days ago I saw the new Nvidia VLC upscaling feature + RTX Remix you show me now.... I also found a guy in reddit saying Ray Traycing/DLSS doesn't worth in 3060 ti cards and also AMD's FSR 3.0 is around the corner and nvidia will lock DLSS 3 only to 4000 series.
I am gonna cry...I don't know what to choose.
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6700 XT has better performance than 3060 Ti. It's near 3070 in everything except Raytracing.
IMO any sort of upscaling looks weird.
nvidia has better software features and support for AI.
AMD just makes good cards. They last a while.
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6700 XT has better performance than 3060 Ti. It's near 3070 in everything except Raytracing.
IMO any sort of upscaling looks weird.
nvidia has better software features and support for AI.
AMD just makes good cards. They last a while.
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Since you have used both, at this point at the same price, which one you suggest and worth more?
I mostly use it for games, yuzu emulator, watching movies/series locally (nvidia released vlc upscaling :S) and generally slightly other things.
Most people telling me to go with 6700XT.
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Since you have used both, at this point at the same price, which one you suggest and worth more?
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Mostly I have been around people who have those. . And a lot of Reddit trawling.
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I mostly use it for games, yuzu emulator, watching movies/series locally (nvidia released vlc upscaling :S) and generally slightly other things.
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That's the tough question.
AMD Pros:
The games on 6700 XT look better. It's a personal opinion tho. No FSR btw.
Also, IMO Xbox and PS5 ports will perform better since both have AMD chips. e.g Horizon games.
Better Linux support, cos Steam has AMD chip as well.
AMD Cons
You cannot run Hackintosh on 6700 XT.
You can do it on 6600 XT/6650 XT/ 6800 .
Goodluck trying to do any AI development.
Nvidia Pros
Raytracing performance is great. Cyberpunk looks dope on nvidia system.
If you do code and are interested in AI modeling, nVidia is the way to go because most libraries are targeted toward Nvidia. And 3060 12GB is a better choice than 3060 Ti/3070/3070 Ti due to more Ram.
Moonlight uses Gamestream but nvidia is shutting down. So I think they will be moving to sunshine which has support for AMD. But I dunno.
Nvidia's AI noise cancellation thing is really cool if you use Mic for calls/recording.
Nvidia Cons:
You cannot run Hackintosh on any nvidia card.
8 GB is not enough for the 1440p system.
A lot of Nvidia software is bound to newer cards.
karandpr said:
Mostly I have been around people who have those. . And a lot of Reddit trawling.
That's the tough question.
AMD Pros:
The games on 6700 XT look better. It's a personal opinion tho. No FSR btw.
Also, IMO Xbox and PS5 ports will perform better since both have AMD chips. e.g Horizon games.
Better Linux support, cos Steam has AMD chip as well.
AMD Cons
You cannot run Hackintosh on 6700 XT.
You can do it on 6600 XT/6650 XT/ 6800 .
Goodluck trying to do any AI development.
Nvidia Pros
Raytracing performance is great. Cyberpunk looks dope on nvidia system.
If you do code and are interested in AI modeling, nVidia is the way to go because most libraries are targeted toward Nvidia. And 3060 12GB is a better choice than 3060 Ti/3070/3070 Ti due to more Ram.
Moonlight uses Gamestream but nvidia is shutting down. So I think they will be moving to sunshine which has support for AMD. But I dunno.
Nvidia's AI noise cancellation thing is really cool if you use Mic for calls/recording.
Nvidia Cons:
You cannot run Hackintosh on any nvidia card.
8 GB is not enough for the 1440p system.
A lot of Nvidia software is bound to newer cards.
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Thanks a lot for the detailed post.
I know RT looks great on Nvidia but it comes with FPS loss + is 3060 cards really worth the RT? ofc some titles look and run great like Cyberpunk. What about the future? I don't believe 3060 will run that much great in new titles.
I don't do AI dev, so pretty much for everything else winner seems is AMD between these cards.
Anyways, I think I am over thinking it, 6700XT looks dope especially the beast Red Devil.