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Here on Xda, i've seen a lot talked about dealing with rooting and custom Roms.
Now I know rooting will root your device and give you admin privileges, What I don't know is what exactly I would use that for. (This is my first android device)
Also I have no idea what a custom rom is.
Now I know there has been talk about Moto possibly not going through with the 4g upgrade if you're device is rooted and/or running different software other than stock. So all that aside, if I chose to root my device, what benefits would I recieve from doing so (The only one besides the admin privilege (Which I still am unsure of possible uses for those privileges) is that i'll be able to connect to ad hoc wifi spots. Mainly mifi which is my jailbroken iPhone 3gs's tethering app)?
Also, if someone would like to add a little detail, or a link to a good source, what exactly are custom roms?
I don't plan on rooting my device just yet, I'll wait for you excellent people to work out the bugs for us end users, and I'll also wait to see what Moto has to say about this, but I would like to know.
My personal opinion, if Moto does do this about the 4g upgrade, I'd consider it a "bait and Switch" which is illegal. However, if they can prove that for some reason rooting will disrupt the upgrade for any reason, then they might be able to get away with it.
A custom ROM is a modified version of Android. Since Android is partially open source, and there is a huge developer following, you can find some really awesome software that brings a lot more power to your device. Not only that, but with an unlocked bootloader (like the Xoom has), you can flash different kernels to your device, which can fix (or introduce ) bugs or improve performance.
From what I have heard, Moto will refuse to perform the 4G LTE upgrade IF YOU SEND THEM A NON-STOCK Xoom. That is, they don't want to deal with problems because you're sending them incompatible software. Seems reasonable to me.
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A custom ROM is a modified version of Android. Since Android is partially open source, and there is a huge developer following, you can find some really awesome software that brings a lot more power to your device. Not only that, but with an unlocked bootloader (like the Xoom has), you can flash different kernels to your device, which can fix (or introduce ) bugs or improve performance.
From what I have heard, Moto will refuse to perform the 4G LTE upgrade IF YOU SEND THEM A NON-STOCK Xoom. That is, they don't want to deal with problems because you're sending them incompatible software. Seems reasonable to me.
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Thanks for your quick response. That helped enough that I'll know what i'm looking for when I go to google it.
I agree with you that it seems reasonable, but my only problem is for the people that have already done this. Releasing a devise with an unlocked bootloader (I only know what this is because i was one of those unfortunate souls that tried to jailbreak a 3gs last year after Apple quietly released a new bootloader) should have meant Moto would assume it would be rooted/flashed/whatever.
I just think that if this is a fact (That doing this will make your device incapable of working with the new hardware) it should have been mentioned a day or two before the release. Or at least the day of.
Does this mean you won't be able to root or put a custom ROM after the upgrade?
With many devices, tethering is a huge boon, however you do not need root for that on this device. There are however quite a few apps that are handy, and require root...
Blueput (ps3 controller in development)
Titanium
Overclocking and Undervolting apps (very nice for battery life)
widgetlocker (lock screan customizations)
widgetsoid (custom pull down options)
and roms...
Think of roms like you would the OS of a PC. Being able to use these roms alows you to keep up with Googles updats, not just motorolas, as well as removing bloatware etc.
jondwillis said:
A custom ROM is a modified version of Android. Since Android is partially open source, and there is a huge developer following, you can find some really awesome software that brings a lot more power to your device. Not only that, but with an unlocked bootloader (like the Xoom has), you can flash different kernels to your device, which can fix (or introduce ) bugs or improve performance.
From what I have heard, Moto will refuse to perform the 4G LTE upgrade IF YOU SEND THEM A NON-STOCK Xoom. That is, they don't want to deal with problems because you're sending them incompatible software. Seems reasonable to me.
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Please make sure you note that this is rumor at best and that Moto is still working on a response to this issue. You can follow it through the link I left in the developers forums, or search for it.
Morkai Almandragon said:
With many devices, tethering is a huge boon, however you do not need root for that on this device. There are however quite a few apps that are handy, and require root...
Blueput (ps3 controller in development)
Titanium
Overclocking and Undervolting apps (very nice for battery life)
widgetlocker (lock screan customizations)
widgetsoid (custom pull down options)
and roms...
Think of roms like you would the OS of a PC. Being able to use these roms alows you to keep up with Googles updats, not just motorolas, as well as removing bloatware etc.
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I'm still a little confused. I know jailbreaking and rooting is different. But just for the sake of explaining myself, I jailbreak my iphone and get Cydia. Are these apps, specifically the ps3 controller, downloadable through the android market/ another market/ or right off the developers site?
Basically if I root my device, do I have to search the web for custom ROMS (I know none are available now, or at least any good one) or is there another market to search through like cydia?
EDIT: I know you can tether, but I am almost positive it is impossible to tether any android device to an ad hoc network. At least my Xoom will not see my ssid, and even trying to manually add this information, the Xoom will insist it can't see the router (or in this case my jailbroken 3gs from att). If I am wrong and it can be tethered to ad hoc networks without rooting PLEASE inform me how. Also if I am right and you can't, can someone please explain to me why not. Why would rooting your device allow you to connect? Why can't it without rooting? I know there is probably a reason behind it, but with the knowledge I have, I cannot come up with any good reason on why it just can't connect to the ad hoc network.
jondwillis said:
From what I have heard, Moto will refuse to perform the 4G LTE upgrade IF YOU SEND THEM A NON-STOCK Xoom. That is, they don't want to deal with problems because you're sending them incompatible software. Seems reasonable to me.
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I'm sorry, but that is not reasonable. We are talking about a hardware upgrade. Nobody is asking them to touch the software.
If they don't want to install the drivers, that's fine - but they have no right to deny us the hardware we were promised at purchase due to software modification.
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I'm sorry, but that is not reasonable. We are talking about a hardware upgrade. Nobody is asking them to touch the software.
If they don't want to install the drivers, that's fine - but they have no right to deny us the hardware we were promised at purchase due to software modification.[/QUOT
Um, imagine you flash something that makes it impossible for them to correctly batch upgrade your device. You're screwing up their process and costing them money, not to mention slowing down the process for other paying customers. How hard is it to backup your device??
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RadDudeTommy said:
I'm still a little confused. I know jailbreaking and rooting is different. But just for the sake of explaining myself, I jailbreak my iphone and get Cydia. Are these apps, specifically the ps3 controller, downloadable through the android market/ another market/ or right off the developers site?
Basically if I root my device, do I have to search the web for custom ROMS (I know none are available now, or at least any good one) or is there another market to search through like cydia?
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Apps that take advantage of root permissions are available through both the android market and from developers' websites. A perfect example of this is the SuperuserPermissions application. You can get it here (on XDA) or in the Market.
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EDIT: I know you can tether, but I am almost positive it is impossible to tether any android device to an ad hoc network. At least my Xoom will not see my ssid, and even trying to manually add this information, the Xoom will insist it can't see the router (or in this case my jailbroken 3gs from att). If I am wrong and it can be tethered to ad hoc networks without rooting PLEASE inform me how. Also if I am right and you can't, can someone please explain to me why not. Why would rooting your device allow you to connect? Why can't it without rooting? I know there is probably a reason behind it, but with the knowledge I have, I cannot come up with any good reason on why it just can't connect to the ad hoc network.
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I think you may be confused on the terminology here. With regard to tablets and phones, when we say we are "tethering" it means we use the device's 3G (or 4G) data connection to create an internet connection for another device (usually a Laptop or other mobile device). This connection can either be over USB, WiFi, and Bluetooth. USB, Bluetooth, and WiFi tethering are possible on the Xoom without root, although on other devices it previously required root (unless your device had a wireless hotspot option which your carrier charged you extra to use).
Heres a good link that explains Custom ROMs and Rooting.
And probably the most popular custom ROM is Cyanogen Mod.. heres a little blurb from their website.
CyanogenMod (pronounced sigh-AN-oh-jen-mod), is a customized, aftermarket firmware distribution for several Android devices (See above for supported devices & how to install CyanogenMod on said devices). Based on the Android Open Source Project, CyanogenMod is designed to increase performance and reliability over Android-based ROMs released by vendors and carriers such as Google, T-Mobile, HTC, etc. CyanogenMod also offers a variety features & enhancements that are not currently found in these versions of Android.
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Hopefully once Honeycomb's source is posted, they will take it and apply their "mods" and tweaks to it and release a new version for our tablet. (which is likely since it has an unlocked boot loader.)
Now regarding the 4G upgrade not being applied to rooted devices.. theres a easy work around. Once it comes time to send it to Moto, simply flash everything back to stock and relock the bootloader. Moto won't even be able to tell that anything has been done to it. Then once you get it back with its fancy new LTE radio installed, unlock the bootloader again and go ahead and re-root it.
Like the tittle says... I love customizing everything and making it work my way... but after reading page after page to root my device, I don't find it worth it.
So why did you want to root mainly to benefit from and not just to play with a new toy?
All I have is go launcher on mine and I am done... what else do I really need to gain more from my kindle by rooting?
Why I rooted
I chose to root and install a custom rom. I loved the name ICS and since I read about it some time last year I wanted to try it out. The Kindle gave the best device to try it out on a small budget. Me knowing if I messed it up I would be upset with myself but I could have lived with it. There is a lot you can do after rooting. You can install what ever app you want. Install the market and get out of Amazon slow apps that just don't do the device justices. With adb services running you dont even have to copy apk file over just install it as root. I have tried 4 different ROMS for the kindle and CM9 just has to be about my favorite. I know there are a few bugs left to work out, but over all it is great. If you need help installing TWRP to install CM9 let me know I wrote my own simple how to for myself.
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JohninLex
There are a lot of benefits to rooting. However, my main reason was to install custom roms (using CM7). I never intended to use this as an Amazon portal from day one.
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There are many reasons to root. Rooting is very easy. The KindleFireUtility does everything for you, just be sure to read the thread to avoid some of the problems people ran into. You can keep the basic e-reader functionality with the Kindle app from the Android Market but customize the experience a lot more than what GoLauncher offers. Amazon gave us a pretty poor stock ROM in the sense that it's very limited. I like having full control over my devices and the user-developed ROMs here are really great
Android Market access, popular apps that require root (Titanium Backup, Droid Wall, the Swype beta, etc), installing custom ROMs based on newer, better Android versions with performance tweaks, and soon with luck and a lot of developer sweat, USB OTG. Also it makes you more attractive to the opposite sex.
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I had this same thought when I first got my Fire. I even put Go Launcher on it and thought it would have been good enough, until I got frustrated with the lack of apps in the Amazon Appstore. I never rooted anything so I was a little nervous. After doing a lot of research I decided to give it a try. I also wanted to experience ICS and you can only do that by installing custom ROMs. I feel like I have unlocked so many possibilities for my Fire by rooting it and I am happy I did it.
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I got frustrated having go launcher but not being able to readily access the Android market for widgets. I tried CM9 and its awesome but I got the kindle for YouTube and Netflix so I can't leave CM9 on there for to long before I revert back to stock or CM7.
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kindlefireuser said:
Like the tittle says... I love customizing everything and making it work my way... but after reading page after page to root my device, I don't find it worth it.
So why did you want to root mainly to benefit from and not just to play with a new toy?
All I have is go launcher on mine and I am done... what else do I really need to gain more from my kindle by rooting?
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You answered it in the second sentence of your question:
"I love customizing everything and making it work my way..."
There's a reason the new root market (fire place) exists...
Honestly, after just going through the process, access to Google Play is probably one of the weakest reasons for rooting. Outside of getting the Google developed apps such as Google+, Gmail, Drive, Sync Framkework...etc...the Market is even weaker than the Amazon App Store due to Google segregating you to a very small amount of apps because of incompatibility issues.
Having compatible gapps provided through snazzy utilities such as KFU is pretty sweet, though.
I have no plans of flashing a custom ROM because it's not solely my device. I am also a Prime member, so the Amazon sandbox is beneficial. I did however root, simply because I am a geek and couldn't resist the temptation to try it out and see what benefits it provides.
If anything, it is nice to be able to explore root with ES File Explorer.
I have rooted every android device that I have ever owned (G1, G2X, NX700p and the Kindle Fire). Mostly for the "new toy" aspect. I love flashing new ROMs and interfaces when I get bored with one. Play store is nice to have (along with other gapps).
Rooted my Kindle Fire within 2 hours of opening the box (got stuck in fastboot and thought I bricked it, good times). I am not a fan of the Kindle Launcher (or even Silk browser, really).
So yeah, new toy to play with for a small fee (rooting is free but can take time and effort) is my main reason.
Plus it makes me more attractive to the opposite sex =]
I've rooted and changed the roms on all of my previous phones but I haven't had the itch to root and rom the Fire. I personally like it the way it is stock. Simple to use and does what I need it to do(web browsing, reading, and media). I just sideload the apps that I can't find in the Amazon App store. Maybe one day I'll root and rom it.
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I thought you didn't have to root to install custom roms.
I rooted first to get the Play Store. Then I installed custom roms after I got bored of using gingerbread.
Blacklight17 said:
I've rooted and changed the roms on all of my previous phones but I haven't had the itch to root and rom the Fire. I personally like it the way it is stock. Simple to use and does what I need it to do(web browsing, reading, and media). I just sideload the apps that I can't find in the Amazon App store. Maybe one day I'll root and rom it.
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Same boat here. I actually haven't rooted my Amaze either as I realize as much fun rooting and flashing was, IMO stock does just enough...
I like you just sideload apps and good to go.
I also have Prime and use their video services more than Netflix.
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There's few reasons why I have rooted and, most important - installeld custom ROM (Energy CM9 Kang) on my Kindle:
1) Need for Google Play App store (I am in Europe and for me all the US based services does'nt work)
2) On/of button on the bottom. I like to us emy Kindle flipped to keep the button and earphones plug on top, but when screen is locked i get the lock screen with the password keyboard flipped on the stock OS.
3) Was unable to transfer apps from the app to the files partition. Flashing custom ROM fixed this.
4) Having ICS on a Kindle was so tempting... and soooo worth it.
Mostly for adblock and to get off the stock ROM which isn't so great if you just want a tablet without any restrictions. I also had no intentions of using this how Amazon originally meant people to use it.
I also have a problem with a manufacturer telling me i can't do something with my own device.
JohninLex said:
I chose to root and install a custom rom.
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Yup. Same hereI just rooted yesterday to install CM9 (some version of it). It was very simple. Now I can have Google Maps, Google Voice, and Gmail on it as well as Path (keep in mind that the kindle fire does not have a gps or a microphone).
Just a Couple reasons to start with...
The first one is, I like security and backups, so I use TWRP so I can back up my apps and data.
Second, any Android device can collect a SERIOUS amount of memory-hogging cache, so I use Cache-Mate to clear it all.
Third, I personally hate the default status bar, so I currently have CM7 on it with a smaller design.
Fourth, I also dont like the keyboard, so I replaced it with this nice split keyboard.
Fifth, I like making my device run faster, so I overclock when im using it and underclock when im not.
Sixth, volume adjusting requires going through menus, so i use Volume Control to change it easily. (Does this require root?)
Thats about it
one word answer: ICS
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Elaborate? I love mine!
If by love you mean acceptance by the unwashed masses then no.
If by love you mean custom roms up the wazoo then no.
If by love you mean some people here actually caress it to sleep, I'm sure there are some who do.
No roms!!!!! This is a great device, how come???
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Gotta remember the device is only a few months old.
I think a lot of rom developers may have been waiting for Lollipop. We may see an upswing in new roms being released now that the cat is out of the bag.
Whatever happens I hope we can get a rom with working wi-fi and all other functionality, and working Nvidia apps!
Ultimist said:
Gotta remember the device is only a few months old.
I think a lot of rom developers may have been waiting for Lollipop. We may see an upswing in new roms being released now that the cat is out of the bag.
Whatever happens I hope we can get a rom with working wi-fi and all other functionality, and working Nvidia apps!
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We will probably get some aosp goodness pretty soon but I highly doubt we will ever get dabbler and other proprietary Nvidia apps. Those apps are original creations from Nvidia and it wouldn't make much sense for them to release that code for anyone to download and modify. As much as I would like to have those apps on custom roms, it just won't happen.
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We will probably get some aosp goodness pretty soon but I highly doubt we will ever get dabbler and other proprietary Nvidia apps. Those apps are original creations from Nvidia and it wouldn't make much sense for them to release that code for anyone to download and modify. As much as I would like to have those apps on custom roms, it just won't happen.
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Further on that, a lot of rom makers probably aren't bothering because most people with the Shield want access to the proprietary apps, I would not install a custom rom on this tablet because of GRID and what not.
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Further on that, a lot of rom makers probably aren't bothering because most people with the Shield want access to the proprietary apps, I would not install a custom rom on this tablet because of GRID and what not.
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Yeah I agree this is probably part of it. The few Roms that have come out have tons of people posting asking for Nvidia apps. I could be biased here but generally people didn't seem very interested/great full for the work some developers have done for this tablet. Personally, I don't use dabbler, and I don't use an Nvidia controller I just use a nyko, so I very much appreciate the customs Roms available for the shield. Also I'm pretty sure they got grid working, FYI. The shield tablet simply does not appeal to the crack flashing and hacking consumer base, as such very few developers will purchase the tablet. Really the only thing this tablet has going for it it terms of android development is that it is nearly aosp. If we really want to see some movement we should find a developer who is willing and able and start a donation fund to buy said developer a shield tablet. If we could get a solid build of CM12 I think many other roms could be built from it.
For me its not really a custom ROM that I would prefer was in development, it would be more of a custom kernal, over clock, undervolt, processor profiles, different schedulers, I/O hacks, graphics settings, hotplugs etc Think synapse for shield tablet. But suppose we would probably need kernal source to make a great custom kernal. I do use kernal tweaker. Although, scheduler changes min processor clock doesn't stick (gets over ridden by settings)
Totally agree
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Further on that, a lot of rom makers probably aren't bothering because most people with the Shield want access to the proprietary apps, I would not install a custom rom on this tablet because of GRID and what not.
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I agree with you and previous comments on nvidia original apps and features, seriously no bloatware on this device. I wouldn't want to change rom but would love to customise. I was rooted via towel root but not after the update, I don't have issues with unlocking the bootloader but since I won't be flashing rom's don't see why I should. Plus have not seen a way to completely return to stock if anything happens no warranty. I would love to getting exposed installer up and running and have gravity box working (even though that was for kiktkat). But guess I will have to wait.
To bad it's being parked since I might have to unlock the bootloader if nothing comes up and wipe this bad boy clean.
(don't really know of how to do a back up without custom recovery)
On the Nvidia apps issue, couldn't they be backed up to external SD before installing a custom rom, and then restored afterwards? Don't know enough about how Android works to know if such a thing is possible.
I do use the Shield controller and so I would at least like that to be functional. The only reason I'd want a custom rom is all the additional features, optimizations, and tweaks that come along with a good custom rom.
A pre-rooted stock based ROM with tweaks, perhaps an aroma installer with a menu of choices, also an optimized kernel would be great. This tablet is nearly perfect as it is, but some small fixes would make it really perfect. Sadly, I'm no developer...
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On the Nvidia apps issue, couldn't they be backed up to external SD before installing a custom rom, and then restored afterwards? Don't know enough about how Android works to know if such a thing is possible.
I do use the Shield controller and so I would at least like that to be functional. The only reason I'd want a custom rom is all the additional features, optimizations, and tweaks that come along with a good custom rom.
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Xposed Installer, you can basically tweak anything if your rooted, gives you all the options in most custom rom's like Liquid Smooth, Mahdi Rom, Viper Rom and way more options than CM11, but you have to download certain types of files so a custom rom would be more efficient and a one stop for everything. But its a great solution to keep all of what nvidia has to offer.
I just want to re-root without unlocking bootloader. Or if there is a way to s-off so I can "Lock" the bootloader and not "relock" then I can take the normal way to root.
And regarding your suggestion I dont think that is possible since they are not apps that you can download all the files if you extract them they wont work. You can try to save them from your nvidia and download to your phone, see if that works. But I dont think it will.
I use xposed on some of my other devices but unfortunately xposed doesn't work with ART so if you upgrade to lollipop you're SOL on those awesome tweaks for the time being.
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That's uncool [emoji33] [emoji17]
But yea guess will have to wait and see what I can do because I really Dont want to change ROM's at the moment, guess I will have to stay stock for a while.
Hi!
I'm a new Nexus Player-user!
I just picked up mine from the store and have a few questions before I dive into it all.
Mainly, what will I gain by rooting and installing CyanogenMod 12.1 on my Nexus Player? And maybe more importantly, will I lose any functionalities?
Is it OK to update the original firmware (if there is one) before I root and install CM12.1?
And last, is there anything else I should know or think about?
Any answers are helpfull!
Thanks in advance!
Over 60 have read, and no reply? :crying:
I'm just sitting and looking at this thing, itching to give it a try, but I don't dare until someone can answer my questions... Sorry for being such a stupid noob. I'm just scared to screw something up.
I just got mine as well. But i have a several year history of tinkering with android. As efrant taught me long ago with my gnex, read and understand first, tinker later. If you know exactly what you are doing and how youll recover in the event of failure, then you are set. If you just use toolkits and run into issues, most more experienced users will not have the patience to help the impatient. So... Have you booted it up and used the stock software yet? How do you like it? Anytime you change firmware you are gaining and losing. It can change the whole experience. Since you just got it though, one suggestion is to fastboot unlock it now, so you're not concerned with backups and losing data later. There is a guide around here.. Cyanogenmod has been around a while and its definitely worth trying their software. They likely have root in their firmware and you do not need to install it separately. Also, there is no real reason to update your rom if you are just going to swap it with cyanogen anyway.. I primarily use root for elevated privileges and tinkering. Until you know you need it, you can hold back. So onto my experience: I just hooked up my nexus player the other day and found it unbearable. Basic setup and it was unbelievably slow. The reason seemed to be the attempt to update its software in the background. So last night i did it manually, and boy what a difference it made. But it still is a bit of a letdown. My initial goal with it is to get xbmc back up and running for streaming. I have not fully investigated it yet, but i suggest you also look into it as another aftermarket option. See tvaddons.org; you are looking at kodi or tvmc.
I do have the Nexus Player rooted and a custom ROM. So far a bit better use of side loading applications and cloud applications. I like the flexibility.
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Thanks for your reply guys!
I've unlocked bootloader and rooted my NP, but nothing more than that.
I do like the stock rom quite a bit, especially the GUI, but I feel VERY LIMITED with such little storage space.
It's very off-putting that the voice search feature does not work with CM-12.1 yet, since I like it a lot, but not having the possibility of expanding my storage space with a usb stick with the stock rom is a BIG let down.
So it really comes down to what I value the most...
Is CM-12.1 the only custom rom that has a GUI that's very similar to the one on the stock rom?
Is voice search broken on all custom roms out there?
I am more of a iOS-guy, and this is really the first time dipping my toes into tinkering with Android.
give the dev preview of android m a shot. natively you can browse now additional memory. definitely better if you like the leanback experience. all other custom roms are giving more a complete android experience. as said, try the dev preview m. it surprised me a lot. of course there are some bugs in there but it let us hope to come more...
Much like the rest of other guys say. A custom ROM will give you a more "full Android OS" experience. I upgrade to 6.0 (M Preview) and must say the experience is great. I was able to use an OTG cable with multiple outlets to connect a USB keyboard/mouse combo and a 32GB flash drive I had laying around. The experience is great and works wonderfully.
Can this device run full Android apps with the stock firmware or is it limited to TV apps?
Codename_Falcon said:
Can this device run full Android apps with the stock firmware or is it limited to TV apps?
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Of course it can. You need to sideload them and use a mouse to have good control within them though.
dannyboyswe said:
Is CM-12.1 the only custom rom that has a GUI that's very similar to the one on the stock rom?
Is voice search broken on all custom roms out there?
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I know this is a little bit late and time has passed but the launcher for CM12.1 depends on what you select, and if you install GAPPs for android TV.
All custom ROMs built from the AOSP base have a broken voice search due to it being a proprietary binary driver with no open source component. Unless someone builds a wrapper or reverses and reimplements the driver this will continue for a long time.
It is great
Just get android 6
I'm hoping someone can give me the general consensus on whether flashing ROMS for this device vs staying on stock is best. I'm not currently up on the state of Samsung bloatware, if it's gotten better or worse. I found an open box at BB for $300. I'd say excellent condition. I'm getting it for my 12 year old daughter. I suppose the main concern is the general stability of flashing, say Lineage, and the lag that Samsung has, or at least used to have, as they age.
Thanks much!
orangepowerpokes said:
I'm hoping someone can give me the general consensus on whether flashing ROMS for this device vs staying on stock is best. I'm not currently up on the state of Samsung bloatware, if it's gotten better or worse. I found an open box at BB for $300. I'd say excellent condition. I'm getting it for my 12 year old daughter. I suppose the main concern is the general stability of flashing, say Lineage, and the lag that Samsung has, or at least used to have, as they age.
Thanks much!
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If I was going to use the tablet myself, I'd certainly flash a custom ROM and get root access. But for a 12yr old girl, I'd stay with stock and know she'd be getting the latest security updates. It's not like this was an 8 or 16gb tablet where getting rid of bloatware would be a major concern. It has plenty of storage and RAM to handle that. Just my two bits.
I only hand my son tablets / phones that can run custom ROMs (Lineage in particular). This way I can control what goes on them, what software, what he sees. I guess you could do similar things with a rooted stock device, but still. The other half of that is, most of the devices I give my son are old enough they aren't getting security updates from the manufacturers anymore. In those cases the only way to get security updates of any sort is to run custom ROMs.
Having rooted my tablet and also installed twrp I would certainly not do it for someone else to use
I would suggest buying package disabler pro and disabling all bloatware and Bixby.
When you use 'disable bloatware' on package disabler, it disables storage on sd card. So you just need to look through the disabled list and re-enable external storage.
Other than that small bug it is excellent.
ExTall said:
Having rooted my tablet and also installed twrp I would certainly not do it for someone else to use
I would suggest buying package disabler pro and disabling all bloatware and Bixby.
When you use 'disable bloatware' on package disabler, it disables storage on sd card. So you just need to look through the disabled list and re-enable external storage.
Other than that small bug it is excellent.
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Have you noticed a performance improvement? I see that it is slow for ordinary use such as social networks, the web and reading books.
miangelgabriel said:
Have you noticed a performance improvement? I see that it is slow for ordinary use such as social networks, the web and reading books.
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I can't really say as I installed package disabler pro when I first had the tablet as I hate apps like bixby.
My tablet has always seemed plenty fast to me
Regards Extall
Not much bloatware on One UI.
Sent from my SM-T720 using Tapatalk
miangelgabriel said:
Have you noticed a performance improvement? I see that it is slow for ordinary use such as social networks, the web and reading books.
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I have read books with $29 dollar chinese knockoffs. How long does it take to turn a page? My very first tablet had an Antutu of about 900. This one about 185,000. I was still able to "surf the net" with that first one. They say that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I'm beginning to doubt that. I think it is in the MIND of the beholder. How anyone can consider this tablet slow for surfing or social networking, just blows my mind. "OH, but my latest and greatest iPad is just SOOO much better."
I can't remember having an Android device since my OG Droid that I didn't root and flash. I'm going to skip that for this S5e, for the first time. Everything I do with it these days, my head isn't bumping into it's 'ceiling', so to speak. My SM-T580 was a different story (thank goodness for @followmsi and @srgrussso among others), and custom paid off very well.
Then again, maybe I'm just getting old.:laugh: :highfive:
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I'm hoping someone can give me the general consensus on whether flashing ROMS for this device vs staying on stock is best. I'm not currently up on the state of Samsung bloatware, if it's gotten better or worse. I found an open box at BB for $300. I'd say excellent condition. I'm getting it for my 12 year old daughter. I suppose the main concern is the general stability of flashing, say Lineage, and the lag that Samsung has, or at least used to have, as they age.
Thanks much!
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I have the Verizon LTE version and even with the Verizon preinstalled apps it doesn't take up a lot of space. I have the 64GB version and I had PLENTY of space for all of my apps. I put a 512GB microSD card in it so I don't have any space issues.
I rooted the SM-T725 few months ago when i got it but this was the 3rd time i had problems booting up and the twrp backup didn't work this time so i just cleaned it and i use stock now and i removed bloatware with ADB. I use only open source software no more google. But that just my way, if you want to root go with it but if its just to remove bloatware just use ADB.
Android 10 coming this june/july and probably android 11 will come to this tablet too because samsung does 2 major android updates to the device they release. If they don't you can unlock the bootloader and install android 11 in the future if a developer make it of course but i doubt it because galaxy tab s6 lite is coming soon so i don't know the future of this tablet.
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OhioYJ said:
I only hand my son tablets / phones that can run custom ROMs (Lineage in particular). This way I can control what goes on them, what software, what he sees. I guess you could do similar things with a rooted stock device, but still. The other half of that is, most of the devices I give my son are old enough they aren't getting security updates from the manufacturers anymore. In those cases the only way to get security updates of any sort is to run custom ROMs.
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Just got this SM-T720 & was planning on putting Lineage 17.1 (OFFICIAL) on it.
Got the firmware, Magisk, TWRP all downloaded.
But on TWRP's site it says you have to root before installing a "rooted TWRP" image?
What's with this?
Not asking for a full tutorial but seriously TWRP can't just be flashed in Odin then vbmeta multi-
disabler, WIPE, then flash ROM + Magisk?
Any help will be greatly appreciated. My posts elsewhere are days old & no replies....
zach
I just got this tablet yesterday. I've had several previous Android tablets and phones and I've always rooted them. So far, I haven't run into anything that makes me want to root this one. I was pleasantly surprised to find that there is a battery protection setting that allows you to limit charging to 85%. Normally, you have too root to do that. I may find a need to root somewhere down the road, but right now I'm hoping to get by with stock and unroofed.
Can you keep dex on other ROMs?
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Just got this SM-T720 & was planning on putting Lineage 17.1 (OFFICIAL) on it.
Got the firmware, Magisk, TWRP all downloaded
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I've done it a few times and I would recommend following the maintainers instructions, LuK1337's Instructions . Dont skip anything, dont add anything, dont wipe anything that isnt listed, follow them exactly.
This tablet is picky. Magisk can be flashed in TWRP, but from what Ive found many modules can't, they will make the tablet fail to boot. Most modules can only be flashed in Magisk. My recommendation would be to get it booting before adding modules or even Magisk for that matter.
I'm using mine as stock, and this seems plenty fast for the 2 weeks I've owned it. Slow to read books? That sounds like an app problem - moon reader on a 2018 Fire HD 8 didn't have a problem reading books. How slow is the Fire 8? If I was in plex, hit the home button, and started netflix it was about 10 seconds from the press of the home button until netflix was responsive.
Besides, do you really want to have to fix your kid's devices when they inevitably have a problem?
**Edit** I also have a question. Are there any security issues when flashing roms or rooting on this like with the phones with KNoX and not being able to use secure folder and such? Im guessing if I flash a ROM I'd also be losing access to this right? (samsung apps and secure folder) Thank you!
Ughh Im kind of regretting buying this tablet now..did I make a mistake? From what Ive seen on here, it sounds like its best not to root it. Ive found that on some newer devices, irts best not to root them to avoid unnecessary problems because some just dont work well with root and magisk, especially if a lot of the modules arent going to work. I mean I dont really have any reason to root this except for not being able to use / change the themes. I cant believe they dont have the theme store on this tablet! I'm so bummed thats one of the good things about samsung phone that I miss.