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This seems like an internal message to T-Mobile employees.
http://mobile.engadget.com/2010/08/19/t-mobile-tells-reps-the-vibrant-gps-update-is-coming-soon/
cool. More info is good info.
People keep talking about samsung not updating or what not.
I hope these statements proves Samsung is trying this time. GPS fix and froyo and ill be a happy clam..
Yesssssir
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If you squint to read the actual T-Mobile memo -- the first paragraph meant for internal consumption, not the quoted line to be given to customers -- it looks like the schedule for all end users to get the update may slip a bit past September (my emphasis):
The software update is expected to roll out beginning in September.
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boomerbubba said:
If you squint to read the actual T-Mobile memo -- the first paragraph meant for internal consumption, not the quoted line to be given to customers -- it looks like the schedule for all end users to get the update may slip a bit past September (my emphasis):
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They say that because OTA updates are rolled out in stages. If they pushed a large update to everyone on their network, the network would bog. Also, this is to make sure the update is tested in "packets" of people, so if there is a problem with the update, only 1 percent of your user base will be affected.
OTAs usually take 2-3 weeks to roll out to everyone. So that is why they say "beginning"
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They say that because OTA updates are rolled out in stages. If they pushed a large update to everyone on their network, the network would bog. Also, this is to make sure the update is tested in "packets" of people, so if there is a problem with the update, only 1 percent of your user base will be affected.
OTAs usually take 2-3 weeks to roll out to everyone. So that is why they say "beginning"
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I understand all that quite well. Just trying to get people's expectations grounded in reality. We should pay attention to what the memo actually says, not what we wish it says.
Many folks seem to be assuming they will get a "fix" in September for sure. What they can expect is sofware to "optimize GPS performance," whatever that means. And they might not get the update until sometime in October if the rollout begins at the end of September and takes several weeks. If it begins Sept. 1, it could be sooner.
When customers are dealing with 14-day return policies from T-Mobile, these distinctions are very important.
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I understand all that quite well. Just trying to get people's expectations grounded in reality. We should pay attention to what the memo actually says, not what we wish it says.
Many folks seem to be assuming they will get a "fix" in September for sure. What they can expect is sofware to "optimize GPS performance," whatever that means. And they might not get the update until sometime in October if the rollout begins at the end of September and takes several weeks. If it begins Sept. 1, it could be sooner.
When customers are dealing with 14-day return policies from T-Mobile, these distinctions are very important.
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Well "optimizing" is what needs to happen. The GPS isn't broken, it just doesn't work very well. If it were broken, it wouldn't work at all. It does see your general location, however the performance of locating and tracking needs to be improved. Hence it needs "optimizing".
Actually in my case and a few others, the gps doesn't work at all. Never has a lock despite how many satellites are in view and how strong the signal is.
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It's the last part of the definition that bothers me "functional as possible". If it's a hardware issue then they are probably going to try to make it as "functional as possible" on broken hardware and therefore is not really fixed. We will see....
I am using unlocked samsung vibrant but I am not on T mobile network. So will I get the update ?
mohitmoudgil said:
I am using unlocked samsung vibrant but I am not on T mobile network. So will I get the update ?
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Not OTA. Perhaps there will be a direct dl, but you'll have to wait for it.
I heard that i9000 in other countries always update through the Samsung software ONLY,
Do we need it for vibrant too or we have OTA in US
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I heard that i9000 in other countries always update through the Samsung software ONLY,
Do we need it for vibrant too or we have OTA in US
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The countries that have the I9000 have a different business model than the U.S. industry has evolved. The sales of phones and the sales of cellphone service in Europe are not so strongly linked. U.S. telecoms dominate the distribution of phones, and they provide updates to the firmware OTA. So U.S. Vibrant owners can expect to get an update that way.
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The countries that have the I9000 have a different business model than the U.S. industry has evolved. The sales of phones and the sales of cellphone service in Europe are not so strongly linked. U.S. telecoms dominate the distribution of phones, and they provide updates to the firmware OTA. So U.S. Vibrant owners can expect to get an update that way.
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so basically we dont need the KIES (?) for vibrant?
Stupid questions about this issue?
OK, I understand that things move slow in the corporate world, but someone please explain? I can understand there may be strategic reasons for releasing FroYo in dribs & drabs, but that will be to make something decent, better. But, does anyone have an opinion about the alleged GPS optimization, from the standpoint of it being ready or not? What I mean is: there's a lot of upset folks NOW because of the problem. "If" the "fix" is ready, why not release it now-ish? Does the target date mean that they're hoping against hope that someone in-house will figure it out by then? I'm sure a developer who knows inner workings of development teams can explain why? I guess the disconnect is: if the fix is ready, and they know approximately when it will be released, are they just doing testing between now and then? How many people times how many times a day times how many days or months does it take to "test" it prior to release? Just asking...
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That is correct.
i just called tmobile they said the gps fix is coming out in september
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OK, I understand that things move slow in the corporate world, but someone please explain? I can understand there may be strategic reasons for releasing FroYo in dribs & drabs, but that will be to make something decent, better. But, does anyone have an opinion about the alleged GPS optimization, from the standpoint of it being ready or not? What I mean is: there's a lot of upset folks NOW because of the problem. "If" the "fix" is ready, why not release it now-ish? Does the target date mean that they're hoping against hope that someone in-house will figure it out by then? I'm sure a developer who knows inner workings of development teams can explain why? I guess the disconnect is: if the fix is ready, and they know approximately when it will be released, are they just doing testing between now and then? How many people times how many times a day times how many days or months does it take to "test" it prior to release? Just asking...
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Now-ish is a month. The bug fixes that will be rolled into the update are done and the final update packages are being compiled and tested (dont want OTA Bricks now do we?) and being sent to the carrier, this will probably take a week or two, and then the carrier will take the update, come up with a plan and implement the plan to distribute it OTA to users. This will also take at least a week to setup, then about 2 weeks to complete (OTA push).
As you said things take time in the corporate world. If the carrier is getting definite news of the update (evidence by the internal memo) they've probably received news of the update and its delivery date to them now. So a week or so till they actually receive it. With this guess, I'd say we're still 2-3 weeks at a minimum out till the update is 'out', which is beginning/mid Sept, and that is if there are no snags.
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Now-ish is a month. The bug fixes that will be rolled into the update are done and the final update packages are being compiled and tested (dont want OTA Bricks now do we?) and being sent to the carrier, this will probably take a week or two, and then the carrier will take the update, come up with a plan and implement the plan to distribute it OTA to users. This will also take at least a week to setup, then about 2 weeks to complete (OTA push).
As you said things take time in the corporate world. If the carrier is getting definite news of the update (evidence by the internal memo) they've probably received news of the update and its delivery date to them now. So a week or so till they actually receive it. With this guess, I'd say we're still 2-3 weeks at a minimum out till the update is 'out', which is beginning/mid Sept, and that is if there are no snags.
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Fair enough. I just needed to vent
tissimo said:
Now-ish is a month. The bug fixes that will be rolled into the update are done and the final update packages are being compiled and tested (dont want OTA Bricks now do we?) and being sent to the carrier, this will probably take a week or two, and then the carrier will take the update, come up with a plan and implement the plan to distribute it OTA to users. This will also take at least a week to setup, then about 2 weeks to complete (OTA push).
As you said things take time in the corporate world. If the carrier is getting definite news of the update (evidence by the internal memo) they've probably received news of the update and its delivery date to them now. So a week or so till they actually receive it. With this guess, I'd say we're still 2-3 weeks at a minimum out till the update is 'out', which is beginning/mid Sept, and that is if there are no snags.
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To add on to this, it is easier to add the "optimization" to the already planned update then to release two separate updates. You reduce the load on the network, reduce the chances of OTA bricks, reduced complaints of multiple updates (most users don't like to spend time worrying about that), less overhead of testing and planning each update. It's a lot different than the modding community where we can just say "I'm not responsible for what happens. At your own risk...blah blah blah."
Although I've lost track of when exactly they were pushed out by Lenovorola, I seem to recall my MotoX PE getting a November, then February, security patch and the "latest" May 2016 was pushed around July 20th... If that pattern (pushing out every 3rd Google release ~ 10 weeks later) holds true, might we see the August patch pushed later this month? Or will any more 6.0 patches be skipped in light of the future 7.x upgrade (whenever that may be)?
One of the reasons why I'm sticking with CM. they are on Oct. 5th security patch while the normal stock ROM is far behind
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Greatness83 said:
One of the reasons why I'm sticking with CM. they are on Oct. 5th security patch while the normal stock ROM is far behind
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I hear you... One of the reasons I bought a Nexus 5X in June when the price dropped. But looking at my MotoX since then reminds me it's otherwise a better phone imho (VoLTE works fine for me on TMo).
Question: I assume you had to unlock your bootloader to root and run CM ? If so, can you relock in that state? I had to unroot and flash stock multiple times before I was finally able to relock... I could be completely wrong, but I would think the benefit of timely, monthly security updates is outweighed by an unlocked bootloader and root access?
According to a twitter reply from Moto Support, they ditched even the quarterly security update.
" We're implementing essential patches.As new security issues emerge, we will evaluate them and update your phone as needed.-Maya"
Evaluating, means they may or may not release security patches so do not hold your breath for an August updated. Yet, Moto Support on twitter was very quick to reply the first inquiry. I encourage everyone to contact them with questions @Moto_Support Let them know or demands!
https://www.xda-developers.com/lg-g3-lg-g4-no-monthly-security-update/
Man im like wtf
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I know right. I'm tempted to get the LGv20, but I have a feeling that, this is it's last year getting updates
That's only said "No SECURITY Update."
G4 devices will get Nougat.. Waitingg..
Security updates?
Where and when?
LoL like we had security updates before. I only got 2 security updates since I bought it. There were never monthly security updates for the G4. I also starting to doubt for the Nougat update.
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LoL like we had security updates before. I only got 2 security updates since I bought it. There were never monthly security updates for the G4. I also starting to doubt for the Nougat update.
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I had taken 2 major android updates and maybe 5-6 security updates. My device is H815TR. Now I am using v20i Turkey Stock unrooted(it cannot be unlocked).
As far as know if you have flashed right country kdz firmware, you will certainly take security updates
It only says no security updates, but still, if the nought update does not come for a wider variety of the G4 models, i will be very annoyed at LG.
LG really sucks! They provide updates for V10 but not G4. Ridiculous..
I can't even unlock my bootloader ? AndroidOne phones ain't sounding too bad, right about now. (Updates)
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Wtf sent from lg g4 nougat 7.0 f500k xdd
I'm still on stock 10o H810 at&t and waiting for nougat update. I can forfeit root for the nougat update. But till now. I'm unsure if we'll get it. I hope I'll get it. Really hope so.
have anyone asked what happened to the G4 N in Q3 in twitter account.?
Another preexisting thread on the same subject with more posts/information:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/g4/general/official-nougat-g4-v10-q2-2017-t3567402
There is nougat beta for h815 which i use and full kdz for korean devices, so how technically u can say that there is no nougat? Chill, it will come out soon or later and it will be last update for g4 which is pretty old device in smartphone world. That said nougat beta is the best rom i had on my g4
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There is nougat beta for h815 which i use and full kdz for korean devices, so how technically u can say that there is no nougat? Chill, it will come out soon or later and it will be last update for g4 which is pretty old device in smartphone world. That said nougat beta is the best rom i had on my g4
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Yes, I also think it will come out.
But the G4 is just such an old device beacuse it took so long for LG to develop the Nougat update xD
Are we seriously to believe that LG is spending any time developing Nougat for the LG G4 (other variants) now that Oreo is out, and they are concentrating on their (new) phones which they are actually trying to sell now ?
I think we've been left in the dust - again.
LG-G4 H812 here.
See link in https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=74035549&postcount=14
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Are we seriously to believe that LG is spending any time developing Nougat for the LG G4 (other variants) now that Oreo is out, and they are concentrating on their (new) phones which they are actually trying to sell now ?
I think we've been left in the dust - again.
LG-G4 H812 here.
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Monthly Security Update
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Are they serious, what are they talking about?! The last security patch I received was 1 year and 3 months ago... And this is on a carrier-free device which should receive the updates first, nice joke LG they probably don't even have clue that there's nothing going on.
Lol, 2018 is here.
Time to start breathing again - (if you were holding your breath, waiting for Nougat in 2017).
Hello,
Don't know if it is still necessary but.. A petition for an upgrade of android 7 to our G4 H815 International version.
Android 7 came out during the 2 years of maintenance of the G4.. so... LG HAS the obligation to roll out this version to every G4 version.
change.org/p/lg-electronics-android-7-for-lg-g4-h815
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Hello,
Don't know if it is still necessary but.. A petition for an upgrade of android 7 to our G4 H815 International version.
Android 7 came out during the 2 years of maintenance of the G4.. so... LG HAS the obligation to roll out this version to every G4 version.
change.org/p/lg-electronics-android-7-for-lg-g4-h815
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I'm not trying to hate but... I've never experienced that a manufacturer took a petition for a software update/upgrade serious in any way. I've seen more than just a couple of those kind of petitions. It's pointless, it won't change anything even if it get's signed a thousand times.
Just install the "beta" version of Nougat. I've had it for over a month now and haven't noticed any setbacks. Well, other than a little screen burn, but I'm not sure if it's the Nougat or phone that's getting old. No random restarts, no FCs, nothing...Just smooth sailing. LG is not known for its good software support, so I wouldn't hold my breath about official Nougat anymore. I guess that ship has already sailed.
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I'm not trying to hate but... I've never experienced that a manufacturer took a petition for a software update/upgrade serious in any way. I've seen more than just a couple of those kind of petitions. It's pointless, it won't change anything even if it get's signed a thousand times.
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I know... but without a try.. we can't know if it would change something... and personally, I'm not enough good in Android things to install TWRP¨(or something..) to install the v29a (I did unlock my nexus 4 to install ROM, don't know how, I broke it... like.. really: bootloop and can't do anything)
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I know... but without a try.. we can't know if it would change something... and personally, I'm not enough good in Android things to install TWRP¨(or something..) to install the v29a (I did unlock my nexus 4 to install ROM, don't know how, I broke it... like.. really: bootloop and can't do anything)
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I've LG G4 H818P. There is a high risk of root and unlocking the device due to the warranty on the device. Especially when it comes to a device such as the LG G4 that is largely prone to bootloop.
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Just install the "beta" version of Nougat. I've had it for over a month now and haven't noticed any setbacks. Well, other than a little screen burn, but I'm not sure if it's the Nougat or phone that's getting old. No random restarts, no FCs, nothing...Just smooth sailing. LG is not known for its good software support, so I wouldn't hold my breath about official Nougat anymore. I guess that ship has already sailed.
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Well, the bad thing about this beta is that it is vulnerable to the recent exploits in Android as the security patch of this rom is from June 2017. So it is vulnerable to Blueborne bluetooth exploit and KRACK wifi exploit.
ZmisiS said:
I've LG G4 H818P. There is a high risk of root and unlocking the device due to the warranty on the device. Especially when it comes to a device such as the LG G4 that is largely prone to bootloop.
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Yours can't be even unlocked so don't worry
tulen_kobi said:
Well, the bad thing about this beta is that it is vulnerable to the recent exploits in Android as the security patch of this rom is from June 2017. So it is vulnerable to Blueborne bluetooth exploit and KRACK wifi exploit.
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I never cared about security lol. June 2017 is last update for G4. There won't be any more updates.
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Minto107 said:
Yours can't be even unlocked so don't worry I never cared about security lol. June 2017 is last update for G4. There won't be any more updates.
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I do care, that is why I am on AOSCP.
only way to get noticed would be to ask korean LG or at twitter LG ..
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Yours can't be even unlocked so don't worry I never cared about security lol. June 2017 is last update for G4. There won't be any more updates.
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same screw security LOL
Just vote with your wallet.
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Just vote with your wallet.
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By not buying LG again? Okay, so which manufacturer will give you updates for a long period of time?
Maybe if some company would officially support Lineageos on their device.
cRaZy-bisCuiT said:
By not buying LG again? Okay, so which manufacturer will give you updates for a long period of time?
Maybe if some company would officially support Lineageos on their device.
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I haven't said that. I just meant to say that if the next wave of LG "flagships" have poor sales, maybe they will eventually do something about it.
Maybe they improve on their support, or on their quality control, I don't know.
In the short run, they will probably just ignore os.
But in the long run, if the sales figures go down and the number of support calls and/or device recalls go up maybe, just maybe, they will do something about it.
Who knows, maybe I will buy another LG product/phone if the quality and support of their devices will improve. But as it now stands, they are going down fast.
The latest sales figures already posted here are self explanatory.
LG is a bad smartphone manufacturer - majority of their recent phones have been plagued with issues (some serious some not so much)
no point in petitions cause they will ignore them, and even if they don't and actually release Android 7.0 for G4, thats still a year old OS which LG will leave at version 7.0..
just buy a smartphone that is easy to root (oneplus 5?) and go with lineage OS or something similar that gets updated on a daily basis
LG is **** tier and both their hardware and software suck
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LG is a bad smartphone manufacturer - majority of their recent phones have been plagued with issues (some serious some not so much)
no point in petitions cause they will ignore them, and even if they don't and actually release Android 7.0 for G4, thats still a year old OS which LG will leave at version 7.0..
just buy a smartphone that is easy to root (oneplus 5?) and go with lineage OS or something similar that gets updated on a daily basis
LG is **** tier and both their hardware and software suck
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I agree for the version, but not for root.
I tried with my nexus 4, I scre** it up. totally. And reading articles telling you that you have a lot of manipulations to root etc, no thanks... Except if you have a software that you install normally and boum... rooted.
I will see if the V30 will be released with oreo version. Which i doubt....
Went through many news and YT videos, they are claiming that we will get Oreo 8.0 update till the end of this month i.e., May'18.
Can anyone verify this more accurately?
By the way I don't oreo update from Motorola/Lenovo since when we have XDA.
Using AEX ( Thanks @ishubhamsingh for the awesome work) from a long time.
While commenting mention your ROM too.
Anything other than official updates should be ignored. Other sources usually have no proof and are pretty much just clickbait.
Still waiting
Got the May OTA security update via TMO today. Still no Oreo.
I am inclined to believe that our phones will not be getting Oreo, ever. Motorola's strategy seems to be to kick the can down the road until they can say our phones are "no longer supported." They've left us at the side of the road for dead.
Eventually, when I get a replacement for this phone, it will not be a Motorola.
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Got the May OTA security update via TMO today. Still no Oreo.
I am inclined to believe that our phones will not be getting Oreo, ever. Motorola's strategy seems to be to kick the can down the road until they can say our phones are "no longer supported." They've left us at the side of the road for dead.
Eventually, when I get a replacement for this phone, it will not be a Motorola.
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May update? What device are you on? So far I've seen people on either March or April update plus some rare cases where some haven't received even earlier OTAs
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May update? What device are you on? So far I've seen people on either March or April update plus some rare cases where some haven't received even earlier OTAs
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Moto G5 Plus/potter. I just got a security update today, is that not the May security update?
bikergeek1553 said:
Moto G5 Plus/potter. I just got a security update today, is that not the May security update?
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The month will be mentioned in the changelog. Just tap the update notification and you'll see which month's security update you've received. Let me know
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The month will be mentioned in the changelog. Just tap the update notification and you'll see which month's security update you've received. Let me know
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Says "April 1, 2018." Silly me, I thought that I'd get a May security update in May.