Hi,
I build portable hand held Windows 10 computers using stick PCs, a Kangaroo Plus mini PC and attaching them to 5" and 7" HDMI screens. A hand held device being one that can be held in one hand and mouse movement and text input via an on screen keyboard can be entered with the other.
I overlay a resistive touch panel and use USB controllers PenMount PM6300A-8 Controller board or Micro Chip AR1100 boards in digitizer mode. In digitizer these will fill the following touch controls:
1 Touch = equivalent to Left Mouse Click
2 Long Press = equivalent to Right Mouse Button Click
3 When the windows screen is rotated landscape to portrait and vice versa touch activity remains under the stylus and moves as expected.
4 Stylus press and hold for dragging windows and icons around the screen is available.
5 The equivalent to Right Mouse Button Click SHOULD NOT be activated while dragging.
The HDMI screens I use are from Ebay or AliExpress and marketed towards Raspberry PI consumers. They come with a touch panel built on and a touch controller built in.
If it is a capacitive touch panel then I definitely remove it and replace it with a third party resistive touch panel and use an external USB controller. Capacitive finger touch is not fit for the purpose of activating the small menu buttons in desktop software such desk top publishing and graphics manipulation. A resistive touch stylus point control is needed.
I have not been able to get 5" or 7" HDMI screens with a built on resistive touch panels and built in touch controllers to use all the touch controls listed above, that is with the Windows 10 OS. This is annoying because that would enable building a slim compact hand held portable device. Currently the external USB controller boards add depth and bulk. The PenMount board being the worst where it's JST connectors add 10mm to the home build devices height. The Micro Chip AR1100 board is less bulky but a built in controller would still make the screen slimmer and neater.
There are a number of vendors on Ebay and other web sites marketing 5" or 7" HDMI screens with a built on resistive touch panels. Their sales are mainly focused to the Raspberry PI so I assume touch can be configured and work satisfactory with Raspberry PI Linux Operating Systems. The promotional support for working as a monitor for Windows 10 is something like "supports Windows 10/8.1/8/7, single touch, and driver free" The Windows plug and play driver that loads in doesn't always seem to work for me and when it does it doesn't fill the five touch functions above I require.
Help!
Waveshare seem to market a range of 5" and 7" HDMI screens. Some readers may have bought these and have them working with the Raspberry PI and other Linux OS devices. They could have not had reason to try and test touch functions fully with Windows 10. If there are readers who have bought Waveshare HDMI screens with built in resistive touch controllers and could plug them into a Windows 10 computer as single monitor, or as a second primary monitor to test touch I would be grateful. I need to know if the all the five functions above will work with any of them.
Thanks in advance albertstc01
==================================================================================================
Notes:
My experience with Windows 10 resistive touch so far might be of interest.
PenMount and Micro Chip AR1100 boards can be configured as HID mouse or digitizer mode. If configured for digitizer mode when booting with Windows 10 the control panel 'Tablet PC Settings' with 'Pen And Touch' are available. It is the same for Windows 10 Settings. If the choice for HID mouse mode is used the tablet setting won't be installed or be available in Windows 10.
Of the two control boards my preference is for PenMount as its supporting software for Windows 10 will configure the touch controller for calibration. The AR1100 firmware utility does not work with Windows 10. The screen needs to be transfered temporally to a Windows 7 computer. The AR1100 utility does present itself in Windows 10 and show configuration tables but when entries are made, example for digitizer mode, and set, from then on the utility reports no EPROM found. It can be reset in Windows 7.
Adafruit sell a 5" 'backpacker' HDMI screen with built in resistive AR1100 FPC touch controller. Out of the box this screen's touch controller worked as a HID mouse but there was no long press function for equivalent right mouse click. I tried using AR1100 utility software with Windows 10 to change it to digitizer mode. As above after the first attempt the utility software always reported no EPROM found. I wrecked it by opening it up and damaging some circuitry. This was before I knew that it couldn't be configured with Windows 10 therefor I have not tried using the AR1100 firmware utility on the backpacker screen with Windows 7. If anybody has had hands on experience of doing this I would be interested in their comments.
I am not recommending anyone who uses a 'backpacker' screens on a Raspberry PI to use a Windows 7 PC to configure the controller to digitizer mode. I'm not sure of all the consequences. What works with an external USB AR1100 board controller might might not be recovered in Windows 7 the same way for a built in FPC AR1100 controller. Adafruit instructions are for using the Windows utility to calibrate and set up resistive touch for being transfered to the Raspberry PI and they promote the Mouse HID mode. They show no help or instructions for using digitizer mode for Windows Devices.
The 5" HDMI screen and resistive touch panel I had working got smashed. Finding a suitable external replacement resistive touch panel is easy. As indicated above finding a 5" HDMI screen on its own is hard to find. It is easy to find an small HDMI screens with touch panels already attached. These can be replaced by a third party touch panel and be operated by an external USB controller. It is also cheaper. I purchased 5" HDMI from AliExpress described as "GeeekPi 5 inch 800*480 LCD HDMI Touch Screen". As it had a resistive touch panel and controller built in I tried that first. Out of the box it booted up up into mouse HID mode ( 'Tablet PC Settings' with 'Pen And Touch' were not available in the control panel. ) The mouse touch cursor aligns and stays under the stylus point. A long press activates the equivalent to Right Mouse Button Click. But! When the screen is rotated out of landscape 0° mode all touch alignment is lost. Without the option to use portrait mode using Windows Desk top software becomes more or less impractical on small screens. If anyone has an idea how touch can be tweaked to stay aligned when the screen is rotated I would like to here of it?
To make resistive touch practical with Windows 10 panning needs to be turned off via the registry. Panning can be stopped by a registry tweak
"HKEY_CURRENT_USER,Software\Microsoft\Wisp\Touch
\PanningDisabled=1"
albertstc01 said:
Hi,
I build portable hand held Windows 10 computers using stick PCs, a Kangaroo Plus mini PC and attaching them to 5" and 7" HDMI screens. A hand held device being one that can be held in one hand and mouse movement and text input via an on screen keyboard can be entered with the other.
I overlay a resistive touch panel and use USB controllers PenMount PM6300A-8 Controller board or Micro Chip AR1100 boards in digitizer mode. In digitizer these will fill the following touch controls:
1 Touch = equivalent to Left Mouse Click
2 Long Press = equivalent to Right Mouse Button Click
3 When the windows screen is rotated landscape to portrait and vice versa touch activity remains under the stylus and moves as expected.
4 Stylus press and hold for dragging windows and icons around the screen is available.
5 The equivalent to Right Mouse Button Click SHOULD NOT be activated while dragging.
The HDMI screens I use are from Ebay or AliExpress and marketed towards Raspberry PI consumers. They come with a touch panel built on and a touch controller built in.
If it is a capacitive touch panel then I definitely remove it and replace it with a third party resistive touch panel and use an external USB controller. Capacitive finger touch is not fit for the purpose of activating the small menu buttons in desktop software such desk top publishing and graphics manipulation. A resistive touch stylus point control is needed.
I have not been able to get 5" or 7" HDMI screens with a built on resistive touch panels and built in touch controllers to use all the touch controls listed above, that is with the Windows 10 OS. This is annoying because that would enable building a slim compact hand held portable device. Currently the external USB controller boards add depth and bulk. The PenMount board being the worst where it's JST connectors add 10mm to the home build devices height. The Micro Chip AR1100 board is less bulky but a built in controller would still make the screen slimmer and neater.
There are a number of vendors on Ebay and other web sites marketing 5" or 7" HDMI screens with a built on resistive touch panels. Their sales are mainly focused to the Raspberry PI so I assume touch can be configured and work satisfactory with Raspberry PI Linux Operating Systems. The promotional support for working as a monitor for Windows 10 is something like "supports Windows 10/8.1/8/7, single touch, and driver free" The Windows plug and play driver that loads in doesn't always seem to work for me and when it does it doesn't fill the five touch functions above I require.
Help!
Waveshare seem to market a range of 5" and 7" HDMI screens. Some readers may have bought these and have them working with the Raspberry PI and other Linux OS devices. They could have not had reason to try and test touch functions fully with Windows 10. If there are readers who have bought Waveshare HDMI screens with built in resistive touch controllers and could plug them into a Windows 10 computer as single monitor, or as a second primary monitor to test touch I would be grateful. I need to know if the all the five functions above will work with any of them.
Thanks in advance albertstc01
==================================================================================================
Notes:
My experience with Windows 10 resistive touch so far might be of interest.
PenMount and Micro Chip AR1100 boards can be configured as HID mouse or digitizer mode. If configured for digitizer mode when booting with Windows 10 the control panel 'Tablet PC Settings' with 'Pen And Touch' are available. It is the same for Windows 10 Settings. If the choice for HID mouse mode is used the tablet setting won't be installed or be available in Windows 10.
Of the two control boards my preference is for PenMount as its supporting software for Windows 10 will configure the touch controller for calibration. The AR1100 firmware utility does not work with Windows 10. The screen needs to be transfered temporally to a Windows 7 computer. The AR1100 utility does present itself in Windows 10 and show configuration tables but when entries are made, example for digitizer mode, and set, from then on the utility reports no EPROM found. It can be reset in Windows 7.
Adafruit sell a 5" 'backpacker' HDMI screen with built in resistive AR1100 FPC touch controller. Out of the box this screen's touch controller worked as a HID mouse but there was no long press function for equivalent right mouse click. I tried using AR1100 utility software with Windows 10 to change it to digitizer mode. As above after the first attempt the utility software always reported no EPROM found. I wrecked it by opening it up and damaging some circuitry. This was before I knew that it couldn't be configured with Windows 10 therefor I have not tried using the AR1100 firmware utility on the backpacker screen with Windows 7. If anybody has had hands on experience of doing this I would be interested in their comments.
I am not recommending anyone who uses a 'backpacker' screens on a Raspberry PI to use a Windows 7 PC to configure the controller to digitizer mode. I'm not sure of all the consequences. What works with an external USB AR1100 board controller might might not be recovered in Windows 7 the same way for a built in FPC AR1100 controller. Adafruit instructions are for using the Windows utility to calibrate and set up resistive touch for being transfered to the Raspberry PI and they promote the Mouse HID mode. They show no help or instructions for using digitizer mode for Windows Devices.
The 5" HDMI screen and resistive touch panel I had working got smashed. Finding a suitable external replacement resistive touch panel is easy. As indicated above finding a 5" HDMI screen on its own is hard to find. It is easy to find an small HDMI screens with touch panels already attached. These can be replaced by a third party touch panel and be operated by an external USB controller. It is also cheaper. I purchased 5" HDMI from AliExpress described as "GeeekPi 5 inch 800*480 LCD HDMI Touch Screen". As it had a resistive touch panel and controller built in I tried that first. Out of the box it booted up up into mouse HID mode ( 'Tablet PC Settings' with 'Pen And Touch' were not available in the control panel. ) The mouse touch cursor aligns and stays under the stylus point. A long press activates the equivalent to Right Mouse Button Click. But! When the screen is rotated out of landscape 0° mode all touch alignment is lost. Without the option to use portrait mode using Windows Desk top software becomes more or less impractical on small screens. If anyone has an idea how touch can be tweaked to stay aligned when the screen is rotated I would like to here of it?
To make resistive touch practical with Windows 10 panning needs to be turned off via the registry. Panning can be stopped by a registry tweak
"HKEY_CURRENT_USER,Software\Microsoft\Wisp\Touch
\PanningDisabled=1"
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Found the
albertstc01 said:
Hi,
I build portable hand held Windows 10 computers using stick PCs, a Kangaroo Plus mini PC and attaching them to 5" and 7" HDMI screens. A hand held device being one that can be held in one hand and mouse movement and text input via an on screen keyboard can be entered with the other.
I overlay a resistive touch panel and use USB controllers PenMount PM6300A-8 Controller board or Micro Chip AR1100 boards in digitizer mode. In digitizer these will fill the following touch controls:
1 Touch = equivalent to Left Mouse Click
2 Long Press = equivalent to Right Mouse Button Click
3 When the windows screen is rotated landscape to portrait and vice versa touch activity remains under the stylus and moves as expected.
4 Stylus press and hold for dragging windows and icons around the screen is available.
5 The equivalent to Right Mouse Button Click SHOULD NOT be activated while dragging.
The HDMI screens I use are from Ebay or AliExpress and marketed towards Raspberry PI consumers. They come with a touch panel built on and a touch controller built in.
If it is a capacitive touch panel then I definitely remove it and replace it with a third party resistive touch panel and use an external USB controller. Capacitive finger touch is not fit for the purpose of activating the small menu buttons in desktop software such desk top publishing and graphics manipulation. A resistive touch stylus point control is needed.
I have not been able to get 5" or 7" HDMI screens with a built on resistive touch panels and built in touch controllers to use all the touch controls listed above, that is with the Windows 10 OS. This is annoying because that would enable building a slim compact hand held portable device. Currently the external USB controller boards add depth and bulk. The PenMount board being the worst where it's JST connectors add 10mm to the home build devices height. The Micro Chip AR1100 board is less bulky but a built in controller would still make the screen slimmer and neater.
There are a number of vendors on Ebay and other web sites marketing 5" or 7" HDMI screens with a built on resistive touch panels. Their sales are mainly focused to the Raspberry PI so I assume touch can be configured and work satisfactory with Raspberry PI Linux Operating Systems. The promotional support for working as a monitor for Windows 10 is something like "supports Windows 10/8.1/8/7, single touch, and driver free" The Windows plug and play driver that loads in doesn't always seem to work for me and when it does it doesn't fill the five touch functions above I require.
Help!
Waveshare seem to market a range of 5" and 7" HDMI screens. Some readers may have bought these and have them working with the Raspberry PI and other Linux OS devices. They could have not had reason to try and test touch functions fully with Windows 10. If there are readers who have bought Waveshare HDMI screens with built in resistive touch controllers and could plug them into a Windows 10 computer as single monitor, or as a second primary monitor to test touch I would be grateful. I need to know if the all the five functions above will work with any of them.
Thanks in advance albertstc01
==================================================================================================
Notes:
My experience with Windows 10 resistive touch so far might be of interest.
PenMount and Micro Chip AR1100 boards can be configured as HID mouse or digitizer mode. If configured for digitizer mode when booting with Windows 10 the control panel 'Tablet PC Settings' with 'Pen And Touch' are available. It is the same for Windows 10 Settings. If the choice for HID mouse mode is used the tablet setting won't be installed or be available in Windows 10.
Of the two control boards my preference is for PenMount as its supporting software for Windows 10 will configure the touch controller for calibration. The AR1100 firmware utility does not work with Windows 10. The screen needs to be transfered temporally to a Windows 7 computer. The AR1100 utility does present itself in Windows 10 and show configuration tables but when entries are made, example for digitizer mode, and set, from then on the utility reports no EPROM found. It can be reset in Windows 7.
Adafruit sell a 5" 'backpacker' HDMI screen with built in resistive AR1100 FPC touch controller. Out of the box this screen's touch controller worked as a HID mouse but there was no long press function for equivalent right mouse click. I tried using AR1100 utility software with Windows 10 to change it to digitizer mode. As above after the first attempt the utility software always reported no EPROM found. I wrecked it by opening it up and damaging some circuitry. This was before I knew that it couldn't be configured with Windows 10 therefor I have not tried using the AR1100 firmware utility on the backpacker screen with Windows 7. If anybody has had hands on experience of doing this I would be interested in their comments.
I am not recommending anyone who uses a 'backpacker' screens on a Raspberry PI to use a Windows 7 PC to configure the controller to digitizer mode. I'm not sure of all the consequences. What works with an external USB AR1100 board controller might might not be recovered in Windows 7 the same way for a built in FPC AR1100 controller. Adafruit instructions are for using the Windows utility to calibrate and set up resistive touch for being transfered to the Raspberry PI and they promote the Mouse HID mode. They show no help or instructions for using digitizer mode for Windows Devices.
The 5" HDMI screen and resistive touch panel I had working got smashed. Finding a suitable external replacement resistive touch panel is easy. As indicated above finding a 5" HDMI screen on its own is hard to find. It is easy to find an small HDMI screens with touch panels already attached. These can be replaced by a third party touch panel and be operated by an external USB controller. It is also cheaper. I purchased 5" HDMI from AliExpress described as "GeeekPi 5 inch 800*480 LCD HDMI Touch Screen". As it had a resistive touch panel and controller built in I tried that first. Out of the box it booted up up into mouse HID mode ( 'Tablet PC Settings' with 'Pen And Touch' were not available in the control panel. ) The mouse touch cursor aligns and stays under the stylus point. A long press activates the equivalent to Right Mouse Button Click. But! When the screen is rotated out of landscape 0° mode all touch alignment is lost. Without the option to use portrait mode using Windows Desk top software becomes more or less impractical on small screens. If anyone has an idea how touch can be tweaked to stay aligned when the screen is rotated I would like to here of it?
To make resistive touch practical with Windows 10 panning needs to be turned off via the registry. Panning can be stopped by a registry tweak
"HKEY_CURRENT_USER,Software\Microsoft\Wisp\Touch
\PanningDisabled=1"
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Found the 5inch HDMI LCD (B) The Model (B) has a built on resistive panel and a buit in touch controller. Touch works with Microsoft Windows 10 out of the box. Touch control fills the 5 touch functions asked for.
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Hi
I wonder if it possible to use my x7500 as a bluetooth keybord with my PC? Sometimes I have my PC connected with my TV and it would be great if I could use my x7500 as a bluetooh keyboard, instead of buying one. The joystick could work as a mouse.
Any suggestions
Hans
Definitely non-standard. You'll need to find a program that can expose that stuff to a BT host. Might not even exist.
Just saw this article. Looks like its doable on the iPhone and G1, so maybe someone's done it for WM.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/01/remotedroid-app-turns-your-g1-into-a-wireless-keyboard-and-mouse/
Looked at the engadget website, and it would be great if there was WM software
Hans
solution
Theres a software called mobile remote.... you could control pc via bluetooth and use the touch screen as your keyboard (other SIP supported) or the hardware keyboard
Works great with Athena
i use ppc tablet 4:
http://www.aacompserv.com/AACompWeb/Modules/PPCTablet/WhatIsIt.aspx?sys_NavBarSelectedNodeID=002.001
been using it for ages and it works just fine. some of the features:
- you can use your athena's screen as the mousepad to control the mouse on the pc
- you can execute items on your pc and use the athena's keyboard. example: as you're controlling the mouse on your pc you decide to open facebook. you can enter your login details using the athena's keyboard. you can then further interact by typing anything
- you can use "hand writing" recognition. this means you can use the athena's screen as a tablet. the drawback i see is you need some practice to get the letters right. and it can be a burden when you use hand writing AND mouse function. that's why i would simply use the athena as the mousepad and use the keyboard for my inputs
- you can use the athena's screen to view the pc screen itself. say you're in another room and you want to execute something. the athena's screen will allow you to view what's exactly on your pc screen. you can then do whatever you want: e.g. open an application, microsoft doc, etc. use the keyboard to type in stuff, etc. DRAWBACK: you can't view the entire pc screen. you only get a small rectangular view of your pc. think of the athena's screen size and superimpose that your pc screen. the area on your pc screen covered by the athena is the only one you can see. BUT, you can shift the rectangle around if you want to view or access other sections of the pc screen.
some other drawbacks:
- you might want to consider having a steady supply of screen protectors or get a soft tipped stylus. as you'll be using 100% of the athena's screen area, this'll be subject to lots of doodling and stylus contact
- plug in your athena to your wall socket as bluetooth consumes power. you can then also increase the light settings to ensure that the screen is bright all the time
what i've done:
- sync via bluetooth
- plug-in my 4-in-1 cable
- plugged in a mouse. it's much more convenient to have another mouse because the joystick is small. plus the mouse has the left and right buttons already present. OR, i have a bt mouse so this eliminates the need for a wired one
- from the 4-in-1 cable, i can plug an external keyboard. as you can imagine, the athena's is smaller and typing speed is reduced. an external keyboard is much faster for typing in. they're cheap too
hope that helps
I'm thinking about going to a simpler home computing experience: replace a separate tablet and a desktop computer with just one Windows 8 tablet-laptop hybrid, one with enough graphics power to run an external, high resolution display.
E.g. use the one computer device as 1) tablet, 2) laptop with an attached keyboard and 3) dock it to an external display, keyboard and mouse and run it as a "desktop" system.
Some of the hybrids seem to come with Core i processors, Windows 8 (full, not RT) and HDMI (albeit the micro kind). Will they be able to do what I describe above?
Do you think this is generally doable?
//hardy
Ps. One day I think phones can do the above, e.g. act as phone, tablet, laptop and desktop pc, with different peripherals attached for different computing needs. 1 processor, 1 system, 1 times the personal data. But we're not quite there yet.
I don't know about other brands but Lenovo has the laptop/tablet combo Thinkpad X Tablet. I would wait until they come with Windows 8 out of the box, but the current X230t comes with an ivy bridge core i3 or i5 processor, the high end ones with i7. The graphics can handle two HD screens via DisplayPort and VGA, and two more if you have the dock. It is a convertible tablet, with the screen attached on a swivel that can flip back onto the keyboard and "click" in. It comes with a stylus that is very similar to the S pen (Wacom digitizer, pressure sensitive) minus the software "hover" features found on the Note 2.
The only problem with this is it is pricy... currently $1479 with the core i7, 4gb RAM (standard), 320GB storage, bluetooth 4.0. However you do get the industrial, apple-rivaling build quality that can survive many drops. Also, if you don't want the dock (I find it kind of pointless) and want more juice you can buy a "sheet" battery that literally fits right under the whole laptop, increasing its thickness by a little to double your battery life.
About phones, check out http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android/features-and-specs. This should work with Motorola's lapdock, (sadly, they are discontinued) and soon we may see a "tablet adapter" for phones that come with an external battery and a large screen that you just plug the phone into, switching Android into "tablet mode," built into the OS already.
Answering myself, this one looks promising: http://reviews.cnet.com/tablets/acer-iconia-w700-6465/4505-3126_7-35472851.html
Hello everyone , I would buy an Android stick , but which one should I choose ?
I would prefer that it is well supported by the community , and that it is compatible with the AR1100 (Resistive Touch Screen to USB Mouse Controller) and sees it as a mouse touchscreen .
What I recommend? MK809 III ?
Project Car Display Touch resistive - android
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I found the UTC to work the best. You can find it via eBay and the web. The adafruit part has ZERO Android compatibility despite what it says. Save the $10, as its a waste. Even their support forums mention this.
Also, most stick PC roms aren't compiled with the touch controller base at the kernel level. You will need to do your research. Been setting up an in car setup for some time now, and have been disappointed time and time again.
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Hello
Tablet is 16Gb version with 3G, android 4.0.3(rooted). Touchscreen doesn't react to fingers or capacitive stylus pen. "Pen-only" mode is disabled in settings. I have opened the tablet, all wires are on their legit places. I can only use USB mouse from my PC to interact with the tablet.
I have a Samsung Ativ SmartPC Pro XE700T1C-A03US running our corporate Win 8.1 image, and its been working for a while. I use mainly in the office with external mouse/keyboard. Recently, I went to use it as a "tablet" and found that the touch screen stopped working, well the finger input anyway since the PEN still works.
Under Control Panel -> Pen And Touch... there is no option to enable/disable finger. Only Pen settings.
Looking in Device Manager, the internal display shows as Generic PnP monitor. Is that right?
Besides the Wacom driver, is there another driver for the touch screen?