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Hello,
It's been a long time since I rooted a device.So please be patient.
I want to root the tablet because I need open vpn connectivity and I don't need a custom ROM because I am mainly using it as a media consumption device.
Does rooting automatically mean flashing a custom recovery(CWM) Is it possible to root without flashing one(I feel stupid asking this I remember flashing CWM every time I root a Android device.)
I have heard that there are some bugs in CWM for Nexus 10.
Thanks
siddardhab said:
Hello,
It's been a long time since I rooted a device.So please be patient.
I want to root the tablet because I need open vpn connectivity and I don't need a custom ROM because I am mainly using it as a media consumption device.
Does rooting automatically mean flashing a custom recovery(CWM) Is it possible to root without flashing one(I feel stupid asking this I remember flashing CWM every time I root a Android device.)
I have heard that there are some bugs in CWM for Nexus 10.
Thanks
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Well I like to think Android is Linux; which it basically is. It gives you access to system files and delve deeper than what you can normally access. superuser access more or less. You can install custom ROMs AFTER you are rooted. That's pretty much it. Also, no rooting doesn't automatically flashing a custom recovery.
A custom recovery is just a custom recovery that you can flash through fastboot..for a plethora of different functions which cannot be done easily with the stock recovery. Which is..another method of customizing and accessing your phone...since this can go on for a long time I'm just going to stop and add that you're better off reading and learning stuff before trying to do any of it though.
Good luck!
I've never quite got an answer to this: does rooting automatically ends warranty? What is Samsung's official take? Does unrooting work and can I cover traces? I only want rooting for adblocking and USB OTG, but now risking warranty.
I don't think rooting a device voids any warranty. You can always lock the bootloader and reflash the stock image and it's as if nothing ever happened.
If it were to void the warranty, Google wouldn't have made it easy to unlock the bootloader and root. If you tamper with with hardware in the device then yes it will void your warranty.
So basically, what is the point of rooting the device?
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So basically, what is the point of rooting the device?
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Personally I'd do that fro adblocking and external storage mounting, if it doesn't require messing with the ROM which I'd prefer not to.
what kind of adblocking just out of interest? is it possible to get something like adfender for portable devices?
AdAway is a popular app, dunno of compatible with the N10 just yet.
Rooting allows you to freeze apps that you don't want to keep them form wasting resources, freeze & hide apps you do not want the kids to use, back up apps & data plus entire system just in case you accidentally do something stupid. Then there is AdFree to block ads. Plus, if you get bored in the future you can jump into ROM flashing.
siddardhab said:
I want to root the tablet because I need open vpn connectivity and I don't need a custom ROM because I am mainly using it as a media consumption device.
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'OpenVPN for Android' (by Arne Schwabe) does not need root (btw I do not own a nexus 10 to check if it works on it)
The first 3 things I did when I got my S4 were:
- Open the packaging
- Update the firmware
- Root the ROM
Then... I find out afterwards about this knox fiasco and guess what? I'm 0x1 - I ain't even mad bro.
What I am mad about however, is the fact I cant seem to achieve a full device root, only can on do what most are calling a 'partial root' - and that's whether that be by installing a pre-rooted rom or using a flashable root file.
That affects me because half my root apps work, and half don't.
For instance: Titanium Backup? all good... Helium? Says cant work, no root (yes I know about desktop method)
So my questions are these:
1. Is there a definite way of achieving full device root on a knox-enabled rom?
2. If not, how likely is it to be possible in future?
3. If unlikely (or impossible) is the only option an AOSP rom? and are they even fully rootable when knox enabled?
If there is no hope on the horizon, I think I'm gonna have to flog this sucker on eBay.
melvatron said:
The first 3 things I did when I got my S4 were:
- Open the packaging
- Update the firmware
- Root the ROM
Then... I find out afterwards about this knox fiasco and guess what? I'm 0x1 - I ain't even mad bro.
What I am mad about however, is the fact I cant seem to achieve a full device root, only can on do what most are calling a 'partial root' - and that's whether that be by installing a pre-rooted rom or using a flashable root file.
That affects me because half my root apps work, and half don't.
For instance: Titanium Backup? all good... Helium? Says cant work, no root (yes I know about desktop method)
So my questions are these:
1. Is there a definite way of achieving full device root on a knox-enabled rom?
2. If not, how likely is it to be possible in future?
3. If unlikely (or impossible) is the only option an AOSP rom? and are they even fully rootable when knox enabled?
If there is no hope on the horizon, I think I'm gonna have to flog this sucker on eBay.
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1. No.
2. Probably not.
3. AOSP is always the best option if full device control is something you want. Knox is something that prevents root from working properly. There is little to no hope on the horizon, so my advice is: Get your listing ready.
Don't you feel "safer" having Knox protecting your device from you (and protecting Samdung from warranty liability)?
Yeah sure, I feel safer.... if by safe, you mean imprisoned and my freedom restricted.
I coulda just bought an iPhone off the bat if i wanted that kinda safety!
I have a sprint s4, thinking off rooting.
Has it been worth it to do this, please tell me why you did it.
I use Nova instead of tw but I don't care for the extra programs and I want to block ads on my browser.
Thinking of a asop rom.
If you are "thinking about rooting" the phone, without clear knowledge why would you NEED it - DO NOT ROOT.
rooting is for the peoples who know what they want , why they want it and how to do it.
sah0724 said:
I have a sprint s4, thinking off rooting.
Has it been worth it to do this, please tell me why you did it.
I use Nova instead of tw but I don't care for the extra programs and I want to block ads on my browser.
Thinking of a asop rom.
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Give a change to THIS program. It no void ur warranty (KNOX 0x0)
Yes rooting for me has been worthwhile.
I root so I can:
Disable ads in browser
Disable exchange policy so I don't get the annoying security screen all the time
XPrivacy a valuable tool to control permissions for apps
Root explorer, so I can control all aspects of the system
Tweaks using Xposed module to control and change aspects of the OS
I can control what apps start up when my phone boots using Xposed module Boot Manager
Those are just some examples. For me I've rooted all my Android devices present and past and will continue to do so in the future, :good:
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Can't think of a life before root
I started rooting my old HTC Desire and haven't stopped yet (on a Galaxy S4 now)
The two biggest for a normal user is
Adblock
Bloatware removal
So if you feel comfortable with the process, Go for it!
/Jörgen
Just make sure you setup your favorite custom recovery ...
With it you can backup and restore within few minutes
, even you can flash superuser or what ever as a zip file to gain root access with custom recovery
And it stays even if root access removed
You can go back to stock recovery by flashing it through odin easily
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If you can't answer the question 'Why do I want to root my phone' without other people's input, you really want to consider not messing with your phone in the first place.
The most important part is (is earlier said):
Create a nand backup!
Create a nand backup!
Without that you will cry some
/Jörgen
Situation:
I'm on Verizon with a Note 3 running 4.4.2. The methods shown for rooting almost always make the assumption that people want to run a custom ROM. I do not. The Safestrap developer bailed on the project, and nobody knows if it can be used in the future anyway.
Goals:
1. This is a business phone, not something that I want to continuously frog around with. I just want to be able to record telephone conversations when using my Bluetooth headset exactly the same as when I'm not, maybe a decent backup, and basically get my Verizon Note 3 and Android's functionality up to the level of where Windows Mobile has been since 2009. From what I understand, to do that may require the Xposed Framework.
2. Be able to give root back and have everything back like it was if necessary.
3. Be able to take OTA updates. I don't care if I need to uninstall some apps, give root back, accept the OTA update, take root back, and reinstall the apps. OTA updates don't happen often anyway.
4. Not lose the phone warranty in the process if possible. It seems one of the required apps for the root process is SuperSU. One of the options is to disable KNOX. Other than everyone doing it, and being recommended for vague reasons, why would I want to do that? Can you re-enable it later?
Thanks!
Towel root should do what you want. I currently don't know of anyone that used towel root or kingo that tripped Knox. Since you're on NC4 probably kingo isn't an option so it's towel root.
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Towel root should do what you want. I currently don't know of anyone that used towel root or kingo that tripped Knox. Since you're on NC4 probably kingo isn't an option so it's towel root.
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So Towel root and what? I'm guessing SuperSU without having it disable KNOX...or?
IT_Architect said:
So Towel root and what? I'm guessing SuperSU without having it disable KNOX...or?
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You have to use SuperSu for root privileges.
IT_Architect said:
So Towel root and what? I'm guessing SuperSU without having it disable KNOX...or?
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Towel Root is What you use to gain ROOT. Towel Root is basically a Program/Software that you will use to ROOT your Note 3. I used Kingo so I don't know much about Kingo but its probably not much different than Kingo, but based on what the other person said you need to use Towel Root. One thing you will want to do AFTER you go through the ROOT process is, Look in your app drawer & see if SuperSU is installed, if it is, you are Rooted, if it is Not, you are Not. I would also Download Root Checker from the Play Store to Verify you have ROOT.
SuperSU or Superuser is an app that gets installed in your phone when you Root it, that Manages what other apps you Grant/Deny Root permission. It does Not ROOT your phone. You do not need to download it from the Play Store. It is only in the Play Store to give you Updates, Its not meant to be as an initial download. Hope this Helps Bud. Happy Rooting! :laugh:
jasonsc1 said:
Towel Root is What you use to gain ROOTSuperSU or Superuser is an app gets installed in your phone when you Root it, that Manages what other apps you Grant/Deny Root permission...You do not need to download it from the Play Store. It is only in the Play Store to give you Updates
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That makes sense.
So what I'm thinking is:
1. Root
2. Make sure SuperSU is there to know I'm rooted.
Later when there is an update:
- Refuse it until there is a way to get root without triggering KNOX.
- Uninstall root apps.
- From SuperSU give root back, which should bring it back to stock.
- Then allow the OTA and hopefully it will not trigger KNOX
I'm guessing it would be best not to install xposed framework because it makes system changes, which could cause things to go wrong during an update.
All that I need in the near term is to get my Bluetooth voice recording back.
Thanks!
IT_Architect said:
That makes sense.
So what I'm thinking is:
1. Root
2. Make sure SuperSU is there to know I'm rooted.
Later when there is an update:
- Refuse it until there is a way to get root without triggering KNOX.
- Uninstall root apps.
- From SuperSU give root back, which should bring it back to stock.
- Then allow the OTA and hopefully it will not trigger KNOX
I'm guessing it would be best not to install xposed framework because it makes system changes, which could cause things to go wrong during an update.
All that I need in the near term is to get my Bluetooth voice recording back.
Thanks!
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That sounds like a Pretty good plan. I Rooted my Note 3 a while back. I was on JB & I'm still currently JB. ACTUALLY Its been a while since I've been on XDA. When I did Root my Note 3 there was NO WAY to ROOT Kit Kat 4.4.2. I did NOT know there was a way to ROOT it now. If there is Can you post a Link. Everything I've read says theirs No Way to Root Kit Kat but its been a while since I researched it. In my case After I Rooted my Note 3 I Froze SDM the app that receives Versions OTA updates. I kept getting one wanting me to Update to Kit Kat. I did not want to Lose my Root & then be on Kit Kat & not be able to Re-Root my Note 3. XDA has a version of Kit Kat made my a couple of the Developers, Beanstown106's & Hashcode's (the guy who made safestrap) that Already has Root. I'm going to Flash their Kit Kat version once I grow the Kahunas. I also Froze Knox so it could Not trip, although it did not Trip when I Rooted my Note 3 via Kingo but I'm on a different version than you.
Also You will Not need to Uninstall the Root apps. They will have No Effect on your phone. They will just not have Root permissions. I also don't see a need to Un Root- Re Root. I would just not accept the OTA Updates. I also have Xposed Framework with several modules & it & them have No negative effects on my Note 3. Anyways Hope this Helps somewhat, Post that Kit Kat Root Link if you can. Thanks
Here is a Link to what Im going to do.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2740466
jasonsc1 said:
If there is Can you post a Link. Everything I've read says theirs No Way to Root Kit Kat
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There are at least two:
1. Towelroot - Free
2. One Click Root - 2 packages to choose from: $29.95 package which includes root only and $39.95 which includes rooting + removal of bloatware + 30 days free tech support.
jasonsc1 said:
After I Rooted my Note 3 I Froze SDM the app that receives Versions OTA updates... I also Froze Knox so it could Not trip, although it did not Trip when I Rooted my Note 3
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What did you use to freeze them with, Titanium?
jasonsc1 said:
Also You will Not need to Uninstall the Root apps. They will have No Effect on your phone. They will just not have Root permissions.
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However they make changes in the system area, which I was concerned might foul up the OTA or trip KNOX.
jasonsc1 said:
I also don't see a need to Un Root- Re Root. I would just not accept the OTA Updates.
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I am a little gun shy that if the OTA finds it rooted, it will trip KNOX and not do any more OTAs.
jasonsc1 said:
I also have Xposed Framework with several modules & it & them have No negative effects on my Note 3.
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That is the only other product I looked at. It looks interesting, but I don't see that it brings anything to the table that I want. I'm not a customization guy, I just need to get basic functionality out of the phone such as call recording under Bluetooth and be able to backup my entire phone and settings.
Thanks!
IT_Architect said:
There are at least two:
1. Towelroot - Free
2. One Click Root - 2 packages to choose from: $29.95 package which includes root only and $39.95 which includes rooting + removal of bloatware + 30 days free tech support.
What did you use to freeze them with, Titanium?
However they make changes in the system area, which I was concerned might foul up the OTA or trip KNOX.
I am a little gun shy that if the OTA finds it rooted, it will trip KNOX and not do any more OTAs.
That is the only other product I looked at. It looks interesting, but I don't see that it brings anything to the table that I want. I'm not a customization guy, I just need to get basic functionality out of the phone such as call recording under Bluetooth and be able to backup my entire phone and settings.
Thanks!
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Ok, I Rooted my Note 3 back in March, at that time there was No Way to Root Kit Kat. I did a lil Looking around & did find that you can Now Root Kit Kat.
No, I did not use Titanium, I do have it. I usually use Titanium just to backup my apps/data. I Froze the SDM app which is the app that Looks for/Receives OTA. So I do Not get any Updates. I don't see reason too. The only OTA that has came out since I bought my Note 3 is the Kit Kat OTA. If you Freeze that app you will have No Problems.
To my Knowledge the Only ROOT apps that can make changes to the System area is the Xposed apps/Modules. No other Root App that I know of makes any changes to the System area, unless you let it, & that can be reversed & the Apps STILL dont have to be Uninstalled. I can not think of ANY Reason to Uninstall the ROOT apps because there is Nothing about them that could cause Knox to Trip. I got NOTHING.
Yes Xposed opens a WHOLE NEW WORLD of Customization's. After having it, I could not live without it. I LOVE be able to Truly own my device. XPrivacy Guard gives me the Warm & Fuzzy that the 2 GPS tracking alarms I have on my Gixxer give me. I control what Permissions apps have, what information they can receive. I could not Live without XPosed or XPrivacy Guard,
jasonsc1 said:
Ok, I Rooted my Note 3 back in March, at that time there was No Way to Root Kit Kat. I did a lil Looking around & did find that you can Now Root Kit Kat.
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I might add that 4.4.2 there is, but NOT 4.4.4 without tripping KNOX. I know the 4.4.2 settings interface is quite a bit different than JB, but whether that translates into anything useful, I don't know. I do know most docs are for JB. Thus, if there is anything in 4.4.2 worth having that you don't already have via root, now might be the time IF they are still rolling 4.4.2. You don't want to snag 4.4.4 by accident. I know that I haven't received an update request yet, and I am on 4.4.2, but the S5 gets 4.4.4. From the little reading I've done, there is little difference between 4.4.2 and 4.4.4 except KNOX has been updated, and a massive bug roll-up . (What those bugs might be, I have not researched.) Moving to KitKat, you also incur the problem of apps writing anywhere to the SD card. IMO, the biggest difference between JB and KitKat 4.4.2 and KitKat 4.4.4 is security. 4.4.4 on the Note 3 does NOT give you the new Touchwiz that the S5 gets with 4.4.4.
"At the beginning of June, Google released two new Android 4.4 KitKat updates. First was Android 4.4.3 KitKat, a massive bug fixer. A few days later, the company pushed out its Android 4.4.4 KitKat update. Both were, and still are, bug fixers aimed at squashing major Android 4.4.2 KitKat problems and they continue to land for key devices as we push toward the fall. I am miffed by the omission of the new TouchWiz on the 4.4.4 update on the Note 3"
There aren't any bugs that I noticed, and until they give you something other than putting you into tighter and tighter box, you might want to wait until they come out with something that benefits you.
jasonsc1 said:
No, I did not use Titanium, I do have it. I usually use Titanium just to backup my apps/data. I Froze the SDM app which is the app that Looks for/Receives OTA. So I do Not get any Updates. I don't see reason too. The only OTA that has came out since I bought my Note 3 is the Kit Kat OTA. If you Freeze that app you will have No Problems.
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Back to my original question, what did you freeze it with, and BTW, is SDM the name of the program, or is that an abbreviation for something?
jasonsc1 said:
To my Knowledge the Only ROOT apps that can make changes to the System area is the Xposed apps/Modules. No other Root App that I know of makes any changes to the System area, unless you let it, & that can be reversed & the Apps STILL dont have to be Uninstalled. I can not think of ANY Reason to Uninstall the ROOT apps because there is Nothing about them that could cause Knox to Trip. I got NOTHING.
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That is very helpful, and clarifies things for me.
jasonsc1 said:
Yes Xposed opens a WHOLE NEW WORLD of Customization's. After having it, I could not live without it. I LOVE be able to Truly own my device. XPrivacy Guard gives me the Warm & Fuzzy that the 2 GPS tracking alarms I have on my Gixxer give me. I control what Permissions apps have, what information they can receive. I could not Live without XPosed or XPrivacy Guard,
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What is Gixxer? There is Privacy Guard, and XPrivacy. I assume you mean XPrivacy.
Thanks!
Lol, I meant to put what I used in my Last reply. I used Rom Toolbox Pro. It's also a Great App. I actually prefer it more than Titanium Backup. I believe because of the UI.
Glad to Help, what lil I can
Oh Gixxer is another name that Suzuki MC riders call their GSXR. I have a 08 GSXR 1000. A lot of riders call the GSXR, a Gixxer. Lol, or something like Gixxer 8k (08 GSXR 1000) would be mine. Lol. I sometimes assume everyone is a Rider. Lol. Sorry about that.
Yes I meant X PRIVACY Not LBE Privacy Guard. I've heard Horror stories about it. I have Never had a Problem with X PRIVACY yet.
Oh, One more thing, As far as Safe strap goes. You can definitely use it on your Note 3 right now. Yes the developer stop sending updates but trust me he's around. He's on here all the time, with New stuff. He helped develop the XDA Kit Kat Rom. His name is Hashcode. Again Safe strap is the ONLY way to go if you are going to flash Roms. That or TWERP, which is Harder (more complicated) to get on Note 3 & Not as Good. Safestrap is so Good bc you always can Boot into your Stock slot, while you still have a Custom slot too, if anything goes wrong, you could still Boot to the other.
Safestrap=The Best Custom Recovery, IMO
Later Bud. I work nightshift this weekend, so it's time for me to get some sleep to be back at it, at 6pm this evening.
This are my thoughts for everyone to critique. Let me know if there are any flies in the ointment before I proceed.
Prerequisites:
1. Go into Settings/Security, and make sure Unknown sources is checked, and Verify apps is unchecked.
Root for 4.4.2:
1. Install Towelroot
2. Install Check Root from Play Store and check for root
3. Download SuperSU zip file from the link on the developer's thread, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1538053. This will NOT come from the Play Store or Amazon. Then unzip it on your phone. Then go to the "common" directory, and run the APK. After that you may get a prompt to update the binaries.
4. When you Run SuperSU and it asks you if you want to disable KNOX, SAY NO!!!
5. Then install Titanium backup and Freeze KNOX, so you can Thaw it later.
____com.sec.enterprise.knox.attestation
____com.sec.knox.eventsmanager
____KLMS Agent
____KNOX
____Knox Notification Manager
____KNOX Store
Unroot back to factory for 4.4.2:
1. Go into Titanium Backup and Thaw KNOX.
2. Open ES File Explorer
____a. Go to Favorites and hit the / button
____b. Click on menu / Settings / and check Enable Root Explorer
____c. Also check Mount File System
____d. Click the back button
3. Then remove SU. (The developer is working on a way to do this automatically with his full unroot function, which will make this step unnecessary)
____a. Open ES File Manager
____b. To to system / bin and find the SU folder. Do a long press and delete
____c. Click the back button and go to system / xbin directory and find the SU file and delete if any present.
____d. Click the back button and go to system / app directory and find Superuser.apk and delete it if it on your phone.
4. Reboot. Root should be gone.
5. Do a factory reset, go to Settings / Personal / Backup and reset
Summary: This should put the phone back to stock for factory warranty, or to sell, or to simply start over.
I would suggest you drop the requirement to be able to take an OTA with a customized phone. It is almost always a better idea to (i) make your backups, investigate whether you can root the new release - and if so, then (ii) restore to full stock, (iii) take the OTA, (iv) re-root and (v) have your way with things.
The reasons are several, but at least one of them is that the OTA installers tend to do a top-level, recursive chmod()/chown() in /system/{x}bin, followed up with chmod()/chown() operations on individual files in those file subtrees as needed. This has the side effect of emasculating the "su" binary privilege escalation via setuid. I wouldn't be surprised if - as a result of SElinux enforcing mode - similar sorts of troubles start occurring due to similar resets/modding of SElinux extended attributes in the same file trees (e.g. if the OTA installer starts doing recursive chcon()s).
(The above is the raison de etre for apps like "OTA rootkeeper" and so forth - they attempt to work around this OTA installer side effect)
The second reason is that OTAs sometimes bundle a bootloader update. Samsung's strict rollback enforcement policies means that you probably will not be able to undo an OTA that you regret (for any reason) without triggering Knox.
I'm still on MJE. It made me happy when I bought the phone & is still making me happy, so the fact that there are new releases available doesn't bother me one whit. It is still a fantastic phablet (& I can exploit the WiFi tether bug without Wanam and all the related framework mods).
FWIW, I reviewed the .apk/.odex files that I "froze" (using "chmod 000", not TiBu); things have changed a little bit since MJE, but:
Knox Disable: ContainerAgent, ContainerEventsRelayManager, KLMSAgent, KNOXAgent, KNOXStore, KnoxAttestationAgent
OTA Nagware Disable: LocalFOTA, SDM
Asurian Spyware Disable: VMS.apk
Probably I should also disable SHealth too. These Samsung phones are bristling with surveillance crap, and there seems to be no end to it. Probably it's even worse now with KitKat. Who knew that the Orwellian future would be developed and financed by marketing companies ... and thereafter trivially co-opted by governments?
have fun with your phone.
I was pretty much settled on not rooting, and you come along and start making sense with solid business reasons. I also view Google, Samsung, Microsoft, and the government access for what it is, criminal activity. I simply want a phone that has the capabilities of my old Windows Mobile phone, and the same levels of privacy.
If they can spy on us, than a requirement for Google and all government personnel is to have 24 x 7 video and audio surveillance on them while they are at work, and every room in their house at home, and have it stream live on YouTube..
Just safestrap it already. Even on NC4 OTA, you can safestrap and install NC2 kernel and pick from many fantastic 4.4.2 ROMs. In the future, take the hypothetical 5.0 update and then you'll never have root, lol.
Anyway, you can return to stock NC4 if needed.
OR don't. Your loss.
xdadevnube said:
Just safestrap it already. Even on NC4 OTA, you can safestrap and install NC2 kernel and pick from many fantastic 4.4.2 ROMs.
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- I don't see the necessity of a custom ROM. I simply want to be able to record calls with my Bluetooth active. This limitation serves as a reminder that a lot less effort goes into Android than we tend to believe. This is a legal requirement for many businesses. Fortunately for Android, most development and innovation is done out of necessity by phone makers such as Samsung, etc.
- I also want to be able to prevent the update to 4.4.4.
- To do the rooting and SafeStrap, I would want to be able to un-SafeStrap, un-SuperSU, re-enable KNOX, and un-root back to factory. I haven't seen that discussed anywhere. The only thing I see to be able to get back to factory is this, if it works: http://www.galaxynote3update.com/un...tock-official-firmware-4-4-2-or-4-4-3-kitkat/ and it does not address SafeStrap. There is more to this than warranty, it is getting the phone back to stock to fix problems. There are thousands of posts of people having problems after rooting and installing custom ROMs.
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In the future, take the hypothetical 5.0 update and then you'll never have root
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That's what concerns me. I understand why Samsung is doing what they are doing. IOS has been pushing Android out of the enterprise and government by support efficiencies and legislated security requirements. Samsung is the only Android they are allowed to buy. Thus, I've noticed:
- The newer it is, the more secure it is. Security in the ?NIX world is simplistic and limited. The easiest fix is to block functionality, and add KNOX as the enforcer and recorder.
- The features you gain with each new release, are less valuable than the features you lose from increased operating system security. Android is rapidly becoming as confining as the iPhone.
- Control over privacy becomes less and less with each new release.
While the progression makes sense from an operating system security standpoint, but runs counter to privacy control and functionality, the reasons why people buy Android.
To completely unroot and restore to stock. Uninstall safestrap recovery. Uninstall towelroot. Uninstall busybox. Uninstall superuser. Factory reset phone. Then flash NC4 with odin for good measure. You really dont need to install safestrap at all unless you want to do backups.
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- I don't see the necessity of a custom ROM. I simply want to be able to record calls with my Bluetooth active. This limitation serves as a reminder that a lot less effort goes into Android than we tend to believe. This is a legal requirement for many businesses. Fortunately for Android, most development and innovation is done out of necessity by phone makers such as Samsung, etc.
- I also want to be able to prevent the update to 4.4.4.
- To do the rooting and SafeStrap, I would want to be able to un-SafeStrap, un-SuperSU, re-enable KNOX, and un-root back to factory. I haven't seen that discussed anywhere. The only thing I see to be able to get back to factory is this, if it works: http://www.galaxynote3update.com/un...tock-official-firmware-4-4-2-or-4-4-3-kitkat/ and it does not address SafeStrap. There is more to this than warranty, it is getting the phone back to stock to fix problems. There are thousands of posts of people having problems after rooting and installing custom ROMs.
That's what concerns me. I understand why Samsung is doing what they are doing. IOS has been pushing Android out of the enterprise and government by support efficiencies and legislated security requirements. Samsung is the only Android they are allowed to buy. Thus, I've noticed:
- The newer it is, the more secure it is. Security in the ?NIX world is simplistic and limited. The easiest fix is to block functionality, and add KNOX as the enforcer and recorder.
- The features you gain with each new release, are less valuable than the features you lose from increased operating system security. Android is rapidly becoming as confining as the iPhone.
- Control over privacy becomes less and less with each new release.
While the progression makes sense from an operating system security standpoint, but runs counter to privacy control and functionality, the reasons why people buy Android.
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It takes 10 minutes to root. And 10 minutes to unroot. Including safe strap. Nothing will trip knox. Beans has the stock nc4 ota rooted deodexed and busy boxed. All is needed to do what you want to do. You will find Zero anything for your stock odex ota. So root safestrap flash the stock rom and add call recording via xposed.... There is no other info you need that isnt already posted in a sticky.
drewcam888 said:
To completely unroot and restore to stock. Uninstall safestrap recovery. Uninstall towelroot. Uninstall busybox. Uninstall superuser. Factory reset phone. Then flash NC4 with odin for good measure. You really don't need to install SafeStrap at all unless you want to do backups.
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- When SuperSU is installed, it disables KNOX. If I uninstall SuperSU, will it re-enable KNOX, or if I flash back to Verizion KitKat 4.4.2 NC4 N900VVRUCNC4_N900VVZWCNC4_N900VVRUCNC4_HOME.tar.md5.7z, from here, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2524572 will it restore the KNOX functionality?
- What happens to the ROMs in the ROM Slots when you uninstall SafeStrap recovery? Is the space released or...?
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It takes 10 minutes to root. And 10 minutes to unroot. Including safe strap. Nothing will trip knox. Beans has the stock nc4 ota rooted deodexed and busy boxed. All is needed to do what you want to do. You will find Zero anything for your stock odex ota. So root safestrap flash the stock rom and add call recording via xposed.... There is no other info you need that isnt already posted in a sticky.
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And it takes days of research to get to the 10 minutes to make sure what you read is accurate, and will work with your phone. I've read so many stickys, forum posts, blogs, and YouTube videos, that I've lost count. What I've learned is the custom ROM process is far from straightforward.
a. The SuperSU at the PlayStore is from an archeological dig. What I've read so far, I need at least 2.13 for things to work right, 2.16 is current, and 2.19 beta.
b. For the Note 3, just within KitKat 4.4.2 there is NC2, NC3, and NC4. From what I've gathered from a lot of reading and videos is that Safestrap-HLTEVZW-NC2-3.75-B04.apk is the ONLY one that works right with Verizon's NC4.
c. The whole idea of SafeStrap is to preserve the factory slot, and work from another slot. BeansTown106's rooted deodexed ROM, replaces the factory ROM.
d. BeansTown106's rooted deodexed ROM is not an NC4 kernel ROM. "The nc4 stock rom beans has posted isnt patched for the nc4 kernel. "
Thanks!
Hey I believe many people have questions around the KNOX and warranty void if you root/install custom recovery.
So I woud like to know:
Is there any software besided KingOroot (doesn't work in A5 510M) or Kingroot (I'm not installing that thing because plenty of people says it steal your data or are impossible to remove) which can root without messing with partitions / custom recovery, meaning it won't trigger the knox counter?
Has anyone confirmed that by only having the KNOX counter triggered samsung has denied to give warranty? Even if the phone is unroot?
Is there any method that roots the device without KNOX tripping?
Thanks
if you are on a 5.1.x device, you might wanna give systemless root a try, i think they ported it to 5.1.x as it was a Marshmallow solution initially.
aside of that, nope.
also, a few regions, like Europe, do not accept root, and especially knox triggering as a warranty void.
and my personal two cents, trigger it, no worth at all, if your device ends up unbootable, there is no way they are going to bother reading through your chip of what you have done, most of the time you'll win the procedures if you need warranty
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if you are on a 5.1.x device, you might wanna give systemless root a try, i think they ported it to 5.1.x as it was a Marshmallow solution initially.
aside of that, nope.
also, a few regions, like Europe, do not accept root, and especially knox triggering as a warranty void.
and my personal two cents, trigger it, no worth at all, if your device ends up unbootable, there is no way they are going to bother reading through your chip of what you have done, most of the time you'll win the procedures if you need warranty
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thanks pal! I believe samsung has made it very easy for support to check whether the knox is triggered or not, otherwise how would it help anything with them fixing less phones?
In germany (its in europe,lol) knox counter on 1 is not a problem when in warranty,just look my thread in q/a section.
The only way they would know that is through going in Download Mode... So, this is just a crazy thought, but I always planned that if something went so wrong that I couldn't fix it myself (I mean if I can go to Download I can probably still fix whatever is wrong unless the device is bricked), I would just break the volume buttons, so that they can't get to Download Mode either. I know, a rash decision, but just food for thought.
Kingroot is easily removed. Don't believe all the silly scare mongering.
It's the most successful root exploit available without tripping knox.
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Kingroot is easily removed. Don't believe all the silly scare mongering.
It's the most successful root exploit available without tripping knox.
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I have read plenty of cases of the thing working like a virus, sending data to china, making it impossible to remove. I will not put that in my phone. I have tried kinOroot and it didn't work. But sent stuff outside anyways...
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I have read plenty of cases of the thing working like a virus, sending data to china, making it impossible to remove. I will not put that in my phone. I have tried kinOroot and it didn't work. But sent stuff outside anyways...
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So you just go from what read rather than try it yourself and you think KingOroot is different? It does contact servers in China, that's how it works.
It's easily removed by simply uninstalling or using SuperSume.
Millions of people have used it and I don't know of one documented case of someone being hacked after using it lol.
KingRoot contacts servers in China because it takes little-to-no space. A version of it that doesn't have to contact any server, and still grant you root access... Well, such an app would be over 3GB big, and would be of the same size, even after it finishes the job and gets you root access. It would be extremely inefficient, and that is an understatement. The servers in China contain the exploits that can be used to grant access to root without using a custom recovery (as a custom recovery would trip KNOX). There are thousands and thousands of files in those servers. As I said, it would be possible to make a one-click-root app that can root thousands of devices and that doesn't make contact with any server, but you would have to include all those thousands of files in the app, in order for it to work. No one is crazy enough to do such a thing.
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So you just go from what read rather than try it yourself and you think KingOroot is different? It does contact servers in China, that's how it works.
It's easily removed by simply uninstalling or using SuperSume.
Millions of people have used it and I don't know of one documented case of someone being hacked after using it lol.
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KingRoot contacts servers in China because it takes little-to-no space. A version of it that doesn't have to contact any server, and still grant you root access... Well, such an app would be over 3GB big, and would be of the same size, even after it finishes the job and gets you root access. It would be extremely inefficient, and that is an understatement. The servers in China contain the exploits that can be used to grant access to root without using a custom recovery (as a custom recovery would trip KNOX). There are thousands and thousands of files in those servers. As I said, it would be possible to make a one-click-root app that can root thousands of devices and that doesn't make contact with any server, but you would have to include all those thousands of files in the app, in order for it to work. No one is crazy enough to do such a thing.
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I have read that if you try to remove it you can in fact brick your cell...
fscussel said:
I have read that if you try to remove it you can in fact brick your cell...
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Holy smokes...is this serious? :sly:
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Holy smokes...is this serious? :sly:
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why so funny? Reson is simple:
After people install kingroot it add many unwanted programs, and also refuses to be uninstalled. People then try to use SuperSU ME to remove it and leave just supersu, and in this process many have got a bricked device. They say this happens because of the kingroot's code to fight anything that tries to remove it.
Now, are you some sort of associate of kingroot?
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if you are on a 5.1.x device, you might wanna give systemless root a try, i think they ported it to 5.1.x as it was a Marshmallow solution initially.
aside of that, nope.
also, a few regions, like Europe, do not accept root, and especially knox triggering as a warranty void.
and my personal two cents, trigger it, no worth at all, if your device ends up unbootable, there is no way they are going to bother reading through your chip of what you have done, most of the time you'll win the procedures if you need warranty
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systemless root needs custom recovery installed as far as I can tell. So knox counter already 0x1 because of custom recovery.
Also I would like to know, if I install custom recovery, and the an OTA update comes, for 6.0, I would have to first remove TWRP, as so to use the OTA, after that, reinstall TWRP, would that trigger the knox again?
0x2 ??
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why so funny? Reson is simple:
After people install kingroot it add many unwanted programs, and also refuses to be uninstalled. People then try to use SuperSU ME to remove it and leave just supersu, and in this process many have got a bricked device. They say this happens because of the kingroot's code to fight anything that tries to remove it.
Now, are you some sort of associate of kingroot?
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They say, he says, she says, do you actually have a clue what you are talking about?
I'm pretty sure I do.
It can be removed like any other app.
If you actually knew what you were talking about you'd know that.
It wont allow another root exploit to easily replace it, this is down to some silliness between Chainfire and King team. It is a pain but it can still be removed or replaced no problem. I wrote a whole guide how to do it.
Literally millions have achieved root with KingRoot and for many is the only way they can.
I dont advocate it nor am I against it.
Dont judge something until you've tried it.
I'll say no more on the matter now as I'm getting dizzy.
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They say, he says, she says, do you actually have a clue what you are talking about?
I'm pretty sure I do.
It can be removed like any other app.
If you actually knew what you were talking about you'd know that.
It wont allow another root exploit to easily replace it, this is down to some silliness between Chainfire and King team. It is a pain but it can still be removed or replaced no problem. I wrote a whole guide how to do it.
Literally millions have achieved root with KingRoot and for many is the only way they can.
I dont advocate it nor am I against it.
Dont judge something until you've tried it.
I'll say no more on the matter now as I'm getting dizzy.
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1) I don't know if it works in my A5 2016 510M, can't find a compatible list or a report.
2) I have read reports of problems uninstalling it.
3) I have read reports of problems uninstalling it with SuperSU Me, including bricking.
4) I find you very arrogant.
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1) I don't know if it works in my A5 2016 510M, can't find a compatible list or a report.
2) I have read reports of problems uninstalling it.
3) I have read reports of problems uninstalling it with SuperSU Me, including bricking.
4) I find you very arrogant.
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You are obviously learning what you know from other misinformed users.
1. Just try it if it doesn't work it doesn't work just uninstall it.
2. As I have said, no such issue.
3. There's a reason why replacing it with SuperSU bricks some devices and it has absolutely nothing to do with kingroot.
If you attempt to replace it with SuperSU on anything above 5.0.2 on a Samsung device it's likely to soft brick it and cause a boot loop.
This is due to Samsungs root restriction policy in the kernel. The same goes for Android 6.0 devices.
To root with supersu on these devices you need a patched boot.img to remove the selinux restriction.
4. I find you very misinformed.
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You are obviously learning what you know from other misinformed users.
1. Just try it if it doesn't work it doesn't work just uninstall it.
2. As I have said, no such issue.
3. There's a reason why replacing it with SuperSU bricks some devices and it has absolutely nothing to do with kingroot.
If you attempt to replace it with SuperSU on anything above 5.0.2 on a Samsung device it's likely to soft brick it.
This is due to Samsungs root restriction policy in the kernel. The same goes for Android 6.0 devices.
To root with supersu on these devices you need a patched boot.img to remove the selinux restriction.
4. I find you very misinformed.
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very misinformed but I have just saved my device from brick, because if you did your work your would see it's android 5.1.1 and it's samsung.
Now let me know if it works with a samsung 5.1.1 with KNOX and perhaps I will try it.
Also let me know how to remove it and install SuperSU over it.
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very misinformed but I have just saved my device from brick, because if you did your work your would see it's android 5.1.1 and it's samsung.
Now let me know if it works with a samsung 5.1.1 with KNOX and perhaps I will try it.
Also let me know how to remove it and install SuperSU over it.
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Kingroot won't brick your device, replacing it with supersu will. Not sure where in this discussion I said anything to the contrary? :what:
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Kingroot won't brick your device, replacing it with supersu will. Not sure where in this discussion I said anything to the contrary? :what:
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very non-productive answer... please check again