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[Q] advice what to do on new tab?

considering this is my 1st android, what should i do with the tab? step by step
lurking in this forum, i definitely want to root and be able upgrade firmware or to do anything in my tab
but what should i prepare? in the noob root for beginner, there's only explanation about rooting
can i save the original rom? what app to use? do i need to back up 1st? using what?
and can i upgrade the stock firmware to the jk1 without flashing it 1st to jj4? (since from what i read jj4 is full flash and jk1 is not, logically the stock firmware must be full flash also)
many thanks to those who can explain it in beginner's language
or maybe a couple of links would help
i already got the tutorial for the rooting process, so basically, what i need to do before rooting is what i need so i wont lose anything precious

I'd just start using it. Get some apps installed, see what you need/want/like to do with it, and if something you need/want/like to do is prevented by not having root access, then root it.
I'd say for the majority of Android users, there really is not much need to root, since Android lets you do so much right out of the box, unlike the competition that requires "jailbreaking" (God I hate that term) just to do simple **** like customizing.
Same goes with firmware. Unless you really enjoy the process of flashing and all that's associated with it, there's not always a clear need to do so. The only time I recommend somebody flash custom/leaked firmware for more than the fun-factor is if there's a problem in the current firmware that can only be fixed by flashing.
That said, this is XDA, which is all about custom ROMs and rooting and extracting more from a device than what the manufacturer shipped it with. Have at it.

jailbreaking lol, yeah, hate that
well something that bugs me is about the mobile browser view that some ppl actually advising rooting to be able to do that
hmm, what about what to do 1st if i actually want to root? any advice what to do and what app to use?

rooting on the Galaxy Tab is extremely simple:
1) Open the Market
2) Install and run 'z4root'
3) Hit the 'root' button' and wait
That's it.
Once you're done with that, one of the first things I'd suggest is to get AdFree installed and updated. It'll quite successfully block all those annoying ads.

i know about z4root, what i need to know is what i should do before rooting, like backing up the stock OS or data or app or anything like that, so i wouldnt regret having rooted my tab in case i flashed it with newest firmware like jk1

Rooting doesn't prevent flashing, or do any harm by itself, and when you flash, you wipe/reset the root.

oh, i see
so basically it just void my warranty and give me administator authorities like in windows?
thanks then

If you have to return your tab for any reason just reflash stock rom from whatever cell provider you got it from and the root is gone thus no breaking of the warranty

Yep, I rooted with z4root the other day. Was a piece of cake, although 1st attempt required a restart before it got going. 1st thing to install after that is Adblock.
Perfect.
Oh yeah, after that I installed titanium backup to get rid of the crappy gallery and replace it with the modded gallery 3rd form hi res zooming.
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What modded gallery are you talking about? I'd like to change the gallery because I hate the stock one!

Has rooting been worth it to you guys?

I have a sprint s4, thinking off rooting.
Has it been worth it to do this, please tell me why you did it.
I use Nova instead of tw but I don't care for the extra programs and I want to block ads on my browser.
Thinking of a asop rom.

If you are "thinking about rooting" the phone, without clear knowledge why would you NEED it - DO NOT ROOT.
rooting is for the peoples who know what they want , why they want it and how to do it.

sah0724 said:
I have a sprint s4, thinking off rooting.
Has it been worth it to do this, please tell me why you did it.
I use Nova instead of tw but I don't care for the extra programs and I want to block ads on my browser.
Thinking of a asop rom.
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Give a change to THIS program. It no void ur warranty (KNOX 0x0)

Yes rooting for me has been worthwhile.
I root so I can:
Disable ads in browser
Disable exchange policy so I don't get the annoying security screen all the time
XPrivacy a valuable tool to control permissions for apps
Root explorer, so I can control all aspects of the system
Tweaks using Xposed module to control and change aspects of the OS
I can control what apps start up when my phone boots using Xposed module Boot Manager
Those are just some examples. For me I've rooted all my Android devices present and past and will continue to do so in the future, :good:

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Can't think of a life before root
I started rooting my old HTC Desire and haven't stopped yet (on a Galaxy S4 now)
The two biggest for a normal user is
Adblock
Bloatware removal
So if you feel comfortable with the process, Go for it!
/Jörgen

Just make sure you setup your favorite custom recovery ...
With it you can backup and restore within few minutes
, even you can flash superuser or what ever as a zip file to gain root access with custom recovery
And it stays even if root access removed
You can go back to stock recovery by flashing it through odin easily
Sent from dish washer

If you can't answer the question 'Why do I want to root my phone' without other people's input, you really want to consider not messing with your phone in the first place.

The most important part is (is earlier said):
Create a nand backup!
Create a nand backup!
Without that you will cry some
/Jörgen

[Q] need a good rom

i hate rooting . yet i need one
i need a root that grants me access to my s4 sytem files and change them
and a root that can also run odexed and deodexed apps (not sure if possible)
but i dont want to feel like my device is rooted . i want to keep stock everything . just change some apps and acess system files without doing anything else . (its like a stock rom with ability to change what i need)
maybe an app that give FULLLLL backup of my phone (system . apps . system apps. touchwiz UI. and al those stuff
any suggestion?
thnx

lesrourou said:
i hate rooting . yet i need one
i need a root that grants me access to my s4 sytem files and change them
and a root that can also run odexed and deodexed apps (not sure if possible)
but i dont want to feel like my device is rooted . i want to keep stock everything . just change some apps and acess system files without doing anything else . (its like a stock rom with ability to change what i need)
maybe an app that give FULLLLL backup of my phone (system . apps . system apps. touchwiz UI. and al those stuff
any suggestion?
thnx
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Root with deodex support is not possible you've to install a ROM that is deodexed to have a deodex firmware.
BTW don't hate so much root... You can mod whatever things you want but keep all stock like me (I don't like so much Aosp ROM and touchwiz ROM that change much things).

lesrourou said:
i hate rooting . yet i need one
i need a root that grants me access to my s4 sytem files and change them
and a root that can also run odexed and deodexed apps (not sure if possible)
but i dont want to feel like my device is rooted . i want to keep stock everything . just change some apps and acess system files without doing anything else . (its like a stock rom with ability to change what i need)
maybe an app that give FULLLLL backup of my phone (system . apps . system apps. touchwiz UI. and al those stuff
any suggestion?
thnx
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Just root the stock ROM and flash a custom recovery (ClockworkMod, TWRP, etc) and you will have exactly what you want.
No need for a custom rom.
Root works fine on stock. It's the apps that give you access to do the stuff you want, not the ROM. The apps are all on google play.
If you want further recomendations for a custom ROM, you cannot ask for that on XDA. Opinions on custom ROMs are just opinions based on other people's needs. As such, they have no meaning to anyone else. What the best rom for you is, might be the worst rom for me. So "best rom" questions are not permitted on XDA because there is no best rom.
As for choosing which rom is right for you, you are expected to read teh development threads as all the information you could possibly ever want to know is contained in them. Then make a few choices for yourself and test them out. See which one works best for you.
That said, if you really want that stock feel with no differences in UI or anything else, then your best bet is to root your stock rom and stick with it. IT's insanely easy to do. Takes 10 minutes (if you stop to eat a sandwich while doing it)

Skipjacks said:
Just root the stock ROM and flash a custom recovery (ClockworkMod, TWRP, etc) and you will have exactly what you want.
No need for a custom rom.
Root works fine on stock. It's the apps that give you access to do the stuff you want, not the ROM. The apps are all on google play.
If you want further recomendations for a custom ROM, you cannot ask for that on XDA. Opinions on custom ROMs are just opinions based on other people's needs. As such, they have no meaning to anyone else. What the best rom for you is, might be the worst rom for me. So "best rom" questions are not permitted on XDA because there is no best rom.
As for choosing which rom is right for you, you are expected to read teh development threads as all the information you could possibly ever want to know is contained in them. Then make a few choices for yourself and test them out. See which one works best for you.
That said, if you really want that stock feel with no differences in UI or anything else, then your best bet is to root your stock rom and stick with it. IT's insanely easy to do. Takes 10 minutes (if you stop to eat a sandwich while doing it)
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i know the apps like ES file explorer give me access to what i need
soo how do root a stock rom and download these apps ? what is odexed and deodexed and why deodexed dont run on odexed? my understanding was that an "out of the box s4" is odexed .

lesrourou said:
i know the apps like ES file explorer give me access to what i need
soo how do root a stock rom and download these apps ? what is odexed and deodexed and why deodexed dont run on odexed? my understanding was that an "out of the box s4" is odexed .
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Odexed vs deodexed is explained in abotu 500,000 places on XDA. Use the search feature and you will find more than you ever wanted to know about it.
CF Auto Root will root your stock ROM. You use Odin to get it installed. It takes 30 seconds. Literally 30 seconds.
Then you have root.
Then you can use all teh root apps you want.
You can also install a custom recovery either via odin or with apps that flash it for you from the phone (Like ROM manager or TWRP Manager)

Skipjacks said:
Odexed vs deodexed is explained in abotu 500,000 places on XDA. Use the search feature and you will find more than you ever wanted to know about it.
CF Auto Root will root your stock ROM. You use Odin to get it installed. It takes 30 seconds. Literally 30 seconds.
Then you have root.
Then you can use all teh root apps you want.
You can also install a custom recovery either via odin or with apps that flash it for you from the phone (Like ROM manager or TWRP Manager)
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but root voids warranty . how do i root CF auto root without it being detected by the repairsman if my phone breaks?

lesrourou said:
but root voids warranty . how do i root CF auto root without it being detected by the repairsman if my phone breaks?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiZ7D2zjJdA will this root work ? will it do what i need it to do? without voiding my warranty

lesrourou said:
but root voids warranty . how do i root CF auto root without it being detected by the repairsman if my phone breaks?
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Yup.
That's one of the catches. It's why they make T Shirts that say "I VOID WARRENTIES". It's kind of a badge of honor.
However, you can also use Tiangle Away by Chainfire to reset your flash counter, thus hiding that you have flashed a lot of stuff.
However, you cannot udo the Knox flag, which says that the phoen has been messed with. However, warrently doesn't seem to be affected by this in real world trials thus far. Many people report sending knox tripped devices in for warrenty service and not having any negative effects.

Skipjacks said:
Yup.
That's one of the catches. It's why they make T Shirts that say "I VOID WARRENTIES". It's kind of a badge of honor.
However, you can also use Tiangle Away by Chainfire to reset your flash counter, thus hiding that you have flashed a lot of stuff.
However, you cannot udo the Knox flag, which says that the phoen has been messed with. However, warrently doesn't seem to be affected by this in real world trials thus far. Many people report sending knox tripped devices in for warrenty service and not having any negative effects.
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i watched this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FXULkN5rAU it says triangle away by chainfire but emmm what im planning to do with root is toc hange my UI into a custom S5 look . if i do that and use triangle away will it soft brick my phone ?
watch the video and youll se the warning

lesrourou said:
i watched this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FXULkN5rAU it says triangle away by chainfire but emmm what im planning to do with root is toc hange my UI into a custom S5 look . if i do that and use triangle away will it soft brick my phone ?
watch the video and youll se the warning
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Root it.
Use Triangle away.
THEN make all your modifications to the phone. Triangle Away won't be the cause of the brick if you do it in that order. Triangle away causes problems when you try to use it when you aren't on the stock rom or recovery. So use it before you change the rom or recovery.

Skipjacks said:
Root it.
Use Triangle away.
THEN make all your modifications to the phone. Triangle Away won't be the cause of the brick if you do it in that order. Triangle away causes problems when you try to use it when you aren't on the stock rom or recovery. So use it before you change the rom or recovery.
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im planning on getting a backup of all my system before rooting . so il use CWM recovery . PC recovery . Kies recovery . Philz touch recovery .
do those backup my entire system ? if i fk up and have a back up how do i flash it?
EDIT : CWM and Philz touch recovery can void warranty and changes the download mode interface . any other way of completly backing up my phone so when i soft brick it or something i can install that like its a rom or something

lesrourou said:
im planning on getting a backup of all my system before rooting . so il use CWM recovery . PC recovery . Kies recovery . Philz touch recovery .
do those backup my entire system ? if i fk up and have a back up how do i flash it?
EDIT : CWM and Philz touch recovery can void warranty and changes the download mode interface . any other way of completly backing up my phone so when i soft brick it or something i can install that like its a rom or something
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I used mskips toolkit to install my custom recovery (TWRP) and it didn't trip KNOX for me, you can find the thread here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2678641
As for doing your backup try this which I found using google in about 3 minutes of searching. http://www.addictivetips.com/android/what-is-twrp-how-to-install-use-it-on-android-devices-guide/
This might help with things that you might want to do later : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2192841
Hope this helped

busbyeie said:
I used mskips toolkit to install my custom recovery (TWRP) and it didn't trip KNOX for me, you can find the thread here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2678641
As for doing your backup try this which I found using google in about 3 minutes of searching. http://www.addictivetips.com/android/what-is-twrp-how-to-install-use-it-on-android-devices-guide/
This might help with things that you might want to do later : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2192841
Hope this helped
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good

[Q] Terminology Explained

HI, I have an LG G2 that I want to root, mainly so that I can get rid of some of the stock apps that are running in the back ground and using system resources however before I even venture down the rooting road I need some of the basics explaining to me. I am computer literate in the windows environment so am quite happy to have a go at rooting my device however I would like to get a better understanding of the terminology etc first, I also have a number of rooting specific questions if anyone can answer them. Ok here goes:-
1) ROM - What is it, my understanding is that this is basically the operating system shipped with the phone and therefore it follows that a custom ROM is one made by a third party that can be installed on the phone instead of the standard one. Am I correct on this.
2) Recovery - I have no idea what this is but am guessing that it is some way of recovering the device / re-setting it to its default factory settings if the phone goes completely wrong, I would therefore guess that a custom recovery is a third party recovery that does different things to the one provided by the manufacturer. Again am I correct in this or not.
3) Is it possible to gain root access on the device and keep the standard ROM. As I said before I want root access so that I can control the default apps and get rid of the ones that I don't use or run in the background, at this stage I don't want to install a custom ROM until I have had a go at just rooting the device (I suspect this will change as I love tinkering)
4) I am aware of the issue around warranty being void if a device is rooted, is there anyway to restore the device so that it is un-rooted and the repair centre etc will never know that it has been rooted. I understand that this is something to do with a counter needing re-setting but have no idea how to do this.
5) What software do I need to root the device.
I appreciate I have a lot of questions, most on the very basic side of things but I would be very grateful any help offered.
Thanks
Ben

Monkeyhands said:
HI, I have an LG G2 that I want to root, mainly so that I can get rid of some of the stock apps that are running in the back ground and using system resources however before I even venture down the rooting road I need some of the basics explaining to me. I am computer literate in the windows environment so am quite happy to have a go at rooting my device however I would like to get a better understanding of the terminology etc first, I also have a number of rooting specific questions if anyone can answer them. Ok here goes:-
1) ROM - What is it, my understanding is that this is basically the operating system shipped with the phone and therefore it follows that a custom ROM is one made by a third party that can be installed on the phone instead of the standard one. Am I correct on this.
2) Recovery - I have no idea what this is but am guessing that it is some way of recovering the device / re-setting it to its default factory settings if the phone goes completely wrong, I would therefore guess that a custom recovery is a third party recovery that does different things to the one provided by the manufacturer. Again am I correct in this or not.
3) Is it possible to gain root access on the device and keep the standard ROM. As I said before I want root access so that I can control the default apps and get rid of the ones that I don't use or run in the background, at this stage I don't want to install a custom ROM until I have had a go at just rooting the device (I suspect this will change as I love tinkering)
4) I am aware of the issue around warranty being void if a device is rooted, is there anyway to restore the device so that it is un-rooted and the repair centre etc will never know that it has been rooted. I understand that this is something to do with a counter needing re-setting but have no idea how to do this.
5) What software do I need to root the device.
I appreciate I have a lot of questions, most on the very basic side of things but I would be very grateful any help offered.
Thanks
Ben
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1 Yes it is the operating system, AOSP means its full on custom. While STOCK based roms are the basic OS the phone came with but with multiple tweaks to improve performance and the system in general but keeping features that are not released publicly and drivers. For example camera performance etc.
2 Yes. The manufacturer recovery only resets the RoM to factory default. Custom Recoveries let you Backup your entire System (except files) to exactly the way it was before so if you do something wrong you can go exactly to the way it was before down to apps installed and messages.
so Stock is a Restore partition. Custom needs you to backup system first unless you store a Rom on Memory or external to *flash*
Custom actually gives you more options to recover a broken phone than stock.
3. Yes you can. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45692679#post45692679
4. The samsung Galaxys had counters to check root and flashes etc i believe LG G2 Doesnt you can remove root and also flash back to complete STOCK firmware for returning to manufacters.
5. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45692679#post45692679 GL read into it

squee666 said:
1 Yes it is the operating system, AOSP means its full on custom. While STOCK based roms are the basic OS the phone came with but with multiple tweaks to improve performance and the system in general but keeping features that are not released publicly and drivers. For example camera performance etc.
2 Yes. The manufacturer recovery only resets the RoM to factory default. Custom Recoveries let you Backup your entire System (except files) to exactly the way it was before so if you do something wrong you can go exactly to the way it was before down to apps installed and messages.
so Stock is a Restore partition. Custom needs you to backup system first unless you store a Rom on Memory or external to *flash*
Custom actually gives you more options to recover a broken phone than stock.
3. Yes you can. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45692679#post45692679
4. The samsung Galaxys had counters to check root and flashes etc i believe LG G2 Doesnt you can remove root and also flash back to complete STOCK firmware for returning to manufacters.
5. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45692679#post45692679 GL read into it
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HI,
Thanks for the info, I have now rooted my phone and as anticipated now have a whole load of new questions. Firstly I installed an app Root Checker Basic by joeykrim, just to make sure the phone was rooted and the app reported back that it was not rooted despite the fact that esfileexplorer now has root access and I have been able to install SuperSU by Chainfire so whats going on, is my phone rooted, not rooted or partialy rooted (if that's possible). Also I am not exactly sure why I need to use the SuperSU app, it doesn't appear to have any options for uninstalling system apps or changing previously restricted settings etc which I was expecting once I got root access, the stock ROM hasn't given me access to this stuff either so the question is how do I now get access to it, from other apps I presume. One thing that I do need SuperSU for is to use it in combination with hidemyroot so that SKYGO will still work as this app will not work on rooted devices, if there is another way to get SKYGO to work on rooted apps then I will happily give it a go as it means I wont need SuperSU then.
Thanks
Ben

Be careful wich apps from system you want to uninstall, you can brick your device.

Do not remove anything from /system, ever. Use Settings->Disable on the apps that allow that, anything else you absolutely thing you need to disable use (as root) pm disable com.package.name.
Google it for more details.

What do I lose if I root my device?

*I know this must have been answered before, I am sorry for playing the newbie, but I couldn't find this anywhere.
I need to know exactly what is at stake for rooting my device, what would I lose access to, and what not.
I've read somewhere that you lose DRM or something like that, is that meaning I will not be able to watch Netflix download and go, or Google Play Music, etc? what does it means?

LionLorena said:
*I know this must have been answered before, I am sorry for playing the newbie, but I couldn't find this anywhere.
I need to know exactly what is at stake for rooting my device, what would I lose access to, and what not.
I've read somewhere that you lose DRM or something like that, is that meaning I will not be able to watch Netflix download and go, or Google Play Music, etc? what does it means?
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You will lose your warranty because you have to unlock your bootloader but if anything goes wrong you can always relock your bootloader and take your phone to a service center and claim your warranty they don't even check it in most cases other than that everything works fine
Sent from my Moto G4 Plus using Tapatalk

prajwal2001 said:
You will lose your warranty because you have to unlock your bootloader but if anything goes wrong you can always relock your bootloader and take your phone to a service center and claim your warranty they don't even check it in most cases other than that everything works fine
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And apart from that, do I lose anything else?
Some guy said I would lose access to that extra anti theft security from Google that works kinda like iCloud, is it true?

LionLorena said:
And apart from that, do I lose anything else?
Some guy said I would lose access to that extra anti theft security from Google that works kinda like iCloud, is it true?
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Nothing else only warranty
Sent from my Moto G4 Plus using Tapatalk

LionLorena said:
And apart from that, do I lose anything else?
Some guy said I would lose access to that extra anti theft security from Google that works kinda like iCloud, is it true?
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Provided you're still on the stock ROM, I don't think rooting affects your anti-theft protection (I recall it's called Factory Reset Protection?). Even if you've enabled OEM unlocking in Developer Options, someone resetting your phone would still need your Google credentials to use the device. Also, if you're logged into your device at the time, you could still locate and wipe your phone via Android Device Manager.
Of course, with an unlocked bootloader and custom recovery (as is generally required to root), someone could still flash a custom ROM and bypass those protections and, also, could in theory still access your data. (but only if they have physical access to your device)
As for DRM, I'm not sure but some apps have been/are now detecting the presence of root and will refuse to work (Snapchat, Pokemon Go, some banking apps come to mind) or for other devices, Android Pay and other security dependent features may not work. I recall magisk, a root manager, does have the ability to mask root from those apps, as well as pass SafetyNet, which is Google's security/anti-tamper detection. Your experience may vary. However, some apps require root access to function properly (e.g. kernel managers, battery monitors) just as to how they function, it's entirely up to you if you see yourself using those rooted apps on a regular enough basis. The root managers available (e.g. SuperSU, magisk) are supported and work well, just ensure you're using the latest versions, and if you're on stock Nougat, to flash a custom kernel prior to rooting (since the stock kernel won't permit modifications, if I recall).
Overall, in my view, you're trading security and warranty (as mentioned by prajwal2001) for convenience/flexibility by rooting - the flexibility alone to flash what you wish is what interested me in rooting my device, if anyone else has any other comments, feel free to add.

echo92 said:
Provided you're still on the stock ROM, rooting shouldn't disable your anti-theft protection (which I recall is Factory Reset Protection). Even if you've enabled OEM unlocking in Developer Options, someone resetting your phone would still need your Google credentials to use the device. Of course, with an unlocked bootloader and custom recovery (as is generally required to root), someone could still flash a custom ROM and bypass those protections and, also, could in theory still access your data. (but only if they have physical access to your device)
As for DRM, I'm not sure but some apps have been/are now detecting the presence of root and will refuse to work (Snapchat, Pokemon Go, some banking apps come to mind) or for other devices, Android Pay and other security dependent features may not work. I recall magisk, a root manager, does have the ability to mask root from those apps, as well as pass SafetyNet, which is Google's security/anti-tamper detection. Your experience may vary. However, some apps require root access to function properly (e.g. kernel managers, battery monitors) just as to how they function, it's entirely up to you if you see yourself using those rooted apps on a regular enough basis. The root managers available (e.g. SuperSU, magisk) are supported and work well, just ensure you're using the latest versions, and if you're on stock Nougat, to flash a custom kernel prior to rooting (since the stock kernel won't permit modifications, if I recall).
Overall, in my view, you're trading security and warranty (as mentioned by prajwal2001) for convenience/flexibility by rooting - the flexibility alone to flash what you wish is what interested me in rooting my device, if anyone else has any other comments, feel free to add.
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Hm I see.
That's a pretty big downside
I guess I will pass root for now, I was only wanting to do to use the ADB via USB OTG and boot disk creator.
Thanks everyone for all the information!

LionLorena said:
Hm I see.
That's a pretty big downside
I guess I will pass root for now, I was only wanting to do to use the ADB via USB OTG and boot disk creator.
Thanks everyone for all the information!
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That's fair enough - there's nothing stopping you from rooting your device, then performing what you need, before unrooting your device. (Just curious, does what you want to do require root, or are there other non-root methods?)
However, this will still involve you voiding your warranty (via unlocking your bootloader), and may also involve re-flashing your stock firmware to remove the custom recovery (and relock your bootloader, if you wish, though this won't recover your warranty, sadly). Honestly though, it's your device, up to you what you wish to do

echo92 said:
That's fair enough - there's nothing stopping you from rooting your device, then performing what you need, before unrooting your device. (Just curious, does what you want to do require root, or are there other non-root methods?)
However, this will still involve you voiding your warranty (via unlocking your bootloader), and may also involve re-flashing your stock firmware to remove the custom recovery (and relock your bootloader, if you wish, though this won't recover your warranty, sadly). Honestly though, it's your device, up to you what you wish to do
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Yeah the warranty is not on top of my mind right now, my concern are the other issues it may cause, such apps not working, and security issues.
Like, I had a Sony Xperia Play back some years and past a week I root it, and past 2 weeks it was on Cyanogenmod.
I had Bricked that device countless times and had somehow fixed, I had also replaced several internal components as well, but back then there were no DRM stuff and all, so the rooting part is not what I fear, is just this new wave of side effects regarding it.

LionLorena said:
Yeah the warranty is not on top of my mind right now, my concern are the other issues it may cause, such apps not working, and security issues.
Like, I had a Sony Xperia Play back some years and past a week I root it, and past 2 weeks it was on Cyanogenmod.
I had Bricked that device countless times and had somehow fixed, I had also replaced several internal components as well, but back then there were no DRM stuff and all, so the rooting part is not what I fear, is just this new wave of side effects regarding it.
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There is no DRM to lose on Motorola devices. On Sony devices, what you said is applicable. As for apps that refuse to work with root access, you can simply switch to Magisk, and enabled hiding root access from all apps.

zeomal said:
There is no DRM to lose on Motorola devices. On Sony devices, what you said is applicable. As for apps that refuse to work with root access, you can simply switch to Magisk, and enabled hiding root access from all apps.
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That's motivating.
And I've found a topic that says I don't even need to flash the custom recovery, I can simply hot boot it and do my stuff and keep the stock recovery.

LionLorena said:
That's motivating.
And I've found a topic that says I don't even need to flash the custom recovery, I can simply hot boot it and do my stuff and keep the stock recovery.
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There's no real point of not changing the stock recovery, unless you are planning to stick with a rooted stock ROM. If you keep the stock recovery, you'll be able to enable OTA stock updates.
From a security standpoint, if your device is lost, it becomes much easier for an attacker to breach your system and much harder for you to protect it. However, according to most security principles, once your device is lost from you, it's no longer your device, anyway.

zeomal said:
There's no real point of not changing the stock recovery, unless you are planning to stick with a rooted stock ROM. If you keep the stock recovery, you'll be able to enable OTA stock updates.
From a security standpoint, if your device is lost, it becomes much easier for an attacker to breach your system and much harder for you to protect it. However, according to most security principles, once your device is lost from you, it's no longer your device, anyway.
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The OTA updates are one of the reasons, yes.
And yes, from that point of view you are right.
I'm currently using some tracking solutions such as Cerberus, and disabling some features while the phone screen is locked, such as quick settings, and power off menu.
Also the extra layer of security imposed by Google version of iCloud, passes me some sense of safety.
The main thing that bothers me related to custom recovery is that the attacker can replace my software entirely.
While with stock I can have some time to recover the device using the tactics. Enabled.
And root could potentially aid me in that, I could add Cerberus to /system and etc.

You lose security. Every person with knowledge can access to your phone through TWRP, use the File Manager to erase files.key (this erases your gesture or PIN of lock screen) and can see all your info. If you unlock bootloader, every person can flash TWRP and do this steps.

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You lose security. Every person with knowledge can access to your phone through TWRP, use the File Manager to erase files.key (this erases your gesture or PIN of lock screen) and can see all your info. If you unlock bootloader, every person can flash TWRP and do this steps.
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thats why i'm thinking 3 times before doing it.