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Hello XDA'ers.
Just got burned buying a crappy no-name Windows headunit on Amazon and was wondering if you could help me pick a different one. I'm looking for an Android-based HU that can support Bluetooth, GPS and a backup camera. HD Radio support is a plus.
Thanks!
I am also researching for one and come across with eonon brand. You can check it out.
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Do you have a link to purchasing it?
Actually, that one looks just like the piece of junk that I purchased. I'm hoping for a headunit that I can purchase and can flash with a custom from here.
DJRepresent said:
Actually, that one looks just like the piece of junk that I purchased. I'm hoping for a headunit that I can purchase and can flash with a custom from here.
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For "Cheap Chinese" HUs, Newsmy type are the most popular here, followed by the older Huefei HUs.
I personally would (and did, but with a NEED for Android Auto) spend the extra $200-300 for a Pioneer 4100NEX with Android Auto and many other features, including US HD Radio. On EBay now for $500 shipped for refurb, or IMO better at $570 shipped brand new.
But if you need "full regular Android" to run any app, most "normal" HUs don't provide this, but maybe we'll get a ROM with full Android. Some Pioneer devices run Android under the covers and are getting a ROM now, in part to get Android Auto on devices like the older 4000NEX. I think that 4100NEX will get a ROM too, once it provides a good option for getting more than stock functionality.
The best "Cheap Chinese" HUs are stuck on Android 4.4 Kitkat at best and I doubt Newsmy/Huefei will ever get Lollipop.
These cheap HUs are also full of compromises and unless you understand and accept them, I think it's likely you'll regret getting one within 1-12 months, as you already regret what you have.
mikereidis said:
For "Cheap Chinese" HUs, Newsmy type are the most popular here, followed by the older Huefei HUs.
I personally would (and did, but with a NEED for Android Auto) spend the extra $200-300 for a Pioneer 4100NEX with Android Auto and many other features, including US HD Radio. On EBay now for $500 shipped for refurb, or IMO better at $570 shipped brand new.
But if you need "full regular Android" to run any app, most "normal" HUs don't provide this, but maybe we'll get a ROM with full Android. Some Pioneer devices run Android under the covers and are getting a ROM now, in part to get Android Auto on devices like the older 4000NEX. I think that 4100NEX will get a ROM too, once it provides a good option for getting more than stock functionality.
The best "Cheap Chinese" HUs are stuck on Android 4.4 Kitkat at best and I doubt Newsmy/Huefei will ever get Lollipop.
These cheap HUs are also full of compromises and unless you understand and accept them, I think it's likely you'll regret getting one within 1-12 months, as you already regret what you have.
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I read an Amazon.com review of one of the Chinese HUs where the guy said that the stock ROM on it was "OK," but once he flashed a custom ROM, everything worked great. He didn't provide a link to the ROM but he did say he downloaded it from XDA. So was wondering if there might be a decent head unit that I can purchase and flash and have it working well.
mikereidis said:
For "Cheap Chinese" HUs, Newsmy type are the most popular here, followed by the older Huefei HUs.
These cheap HUs are also full of compromises and unless you understand and accept them, I think it's likely you'll regret getting one within 1-12 months, as you already regret what you have.
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They are much better than you make them sound. Honestly they are very impressive for what you get for $100-$250 or so, you get a full android rooted system you can pretty much do anything with. And the quad core devices are very snappy and responsive, and the screens on the 1024x600 7" models are very clear and look great.
For the price, they are well worth it to me. The only real problem has been that the bluetooth design is not the best, and lots of people are just connecting a mic cable directly to the mic and ground pins on the bluetooth board to get around the poor internal mic issue. Other than that there is no real outstanding problem with them.
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They are much better than you make them sound. Honestly they are very impressive for what you get for $100-$250 or so, you get a full android rooted system you can pretty much do anything with. And the quad core devices are very snappy and responsive, and the screens on the 1024x600 7" models are very clear and look great.
For the price, they are well worth it to me. The only real problem has been that the bluetooth design is not the best, and lots of people are just connecting a mic cable directly to the mic and ground pins on the bluetooth board to get around the poor internal mic issue. Other than that there is no real outstanding problem with them.
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Which unit should I purchase then? Please post a link.
Thanks!
nixfu said:
They are much better than you make them sound. Honestly they are very impressive for what you get for $100-$250 or so, you get a full android rooted system you can pretty much do anything with.
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$100 ?
I thought the decent units, like Newsmy, started around $300 or so, and prices get higher when you need a non-generic, car-specific model.
To each their own, but I am still not a particular fan of Mediatek/Chinese chipsets. AFAIK, Mediatek still regularly violates GPL and keep more secrets than Qualcomm does, making it harder for kernel & ROM devs. Still true or no ?
Anyway, since I don't own one of the Chinese HUs, the opinions of people who own one may be more important than mine.
IMO anyone buying one should read the main threads for them for at least a few pages to get better informed.
For those who need "real Android" running on the HU, I'm recalling that the AppRadio Unchained Reloaded app seems a decent option for phone mirroring to Pioneer HUs.
I must sound like a paid Pioneer rep sometimes, LOL, but reality is that my best interests are in people running my Headunit app on tablets than buy an HU. But I only recommend that if it seems the best option for them.
I'm torn between the carjoying RK3188 and the NU3001 Carpad. Anyone have experience with both can provide a recommendation? I was reading some of the posts regarding the carjoying unit and am concerned that I need to modify the internal to get a decent microphone quality. Not sure if this needs to also happen to the newsmy unit? I have also heard that the joking crew provides great support, which is important and like the fact that they have taken the time to create lots of tutorial videos. On the nu3001 - I like that the android unit is in a separate box. I seriously can't decide...lots of pros on both units.
DJRepresent - did you make your decision yet?
Honestly. I've been both a newsmy & huifei owner... I'm not a happy camper with the newsmy and their support.
My radio was working great then started to develop random screen flickers & after a firmware update it died. Ordered a replacement Android box (as the head unit & Android box is separate on the newsmy, had to fight to order it as I didn't order my radio directly from newsmy but from a reseller... Only managed to get it as a fellow xda member was a reseller and he placed the replacement order for me) and my radio now only half works. My physical buttons on my radio (as it's a Volkswagen specific unit) no longer work.
Newsmy has left me high and dry with the issue with zero support on the issue. I've spent about 700-800canadian on this unit and I have now a half working unit...
I'm starting to think about selling off and getting a joying/huifei unit. As the one I use to own before the newsmy is now in my dad's car and it's working perfectly fine. I only got the newsmy as at the time it was the only 1024x600 unit with 2 gigs of ram...
I believe now the joying & even the winlink units have 2gig ram models with the 1024 screen.
The winlink seems to be less popular but also seems to have a representative from the company participating in the forum activity. Newsmy use to have that... seems they are no longer focused on the carpad2 more their unreleased carpad3. Not sure if joying/huifei has a representative participating but seems to have a lot more overall owners participating with the development.
One downfall I had with my huifei that the newsmy doesn't have is the canbus. The canbus didn't fully work with my car or my dad's car (my car being a 09 vw jetta my dad's being a '12 vw jetta)on the huifei I had random issues with it. I ended up replacing their canbus with another manufacture and the issues resolved.
Newsmy also seemed more focused on eye candy vs actually developing the radio more... It still has no rds support.
Also the newsmy has no sub preputs.
Hmm other then that... I think that's the end of my feedback rant. Maybe a joying user can chime in?
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I believe now the joying & even the winlink units have 2gig ram models with the 1024 screen.
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I like my unit from carjoying.com, the prices are pretty good, and the support is actually better than I expected. But NO NONE of the more popular units(Klyde, Roadmaster, Hot Audio, Joying, etc) which are all based on the same HueFui design, all use the same RK3066/RK3166 Chipsets, and they all have 1GB Ram. The memory and cpu are all using the same plug in daughter boards that plug in to the various main boards.
Frankly I don't see the 1GB being a limitation, or that 2GB would help all that much. The quad core is what seems to be a big difference and makes the units very snappy. I know my unit I normally have Torque loggings engine stats, iGO GPS doing navigation, MediaMonkey playing MP3's, and DailyRoads recording the front camera all constantly going at the same time with zero noticeable slowdown, and the unit remains very snappy and responsive. I am not sure what else you would want to have simultaneously happening that would be better than what you can already do with the current units.
The best models you can get are quad core, 1GB ram, 16GB onboard flash, and 1024 screens. I would just make sure you get one with these specs and you will pretty much have the best currently available.
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I like my unit from carjoying.com, the prices are pretty good, and the support is actually better than I expected. But NO NONE of the more popular units(Klyde, Roadmaster, Hot Audio, Joying, etc) which are all based on the same HueFui design, all use the same RK3066/RK3166 Chipsets, and they all have 1GB Ram. The memory and cpu are all using the same plug in daughter boards that plug in to the various main boards.
Frankly I don't see the 1GB being a limitation, or that 2GB would help all that much. The quad core is what seems to be a big difference and makes the units very snappy. I know my unit I normally have Torque loggings engine stats, iGO GPS doing navigation, MediaMonkey playing MP3's, and DailyRoads recording the front camera all constantly going at the same time with zero noticeable slowdown, and the unit remains very snappy and responsive. I am not sure what else you would want to have simultaneously happening that would be better than what you can already do with the current units.
The best models you can get are quad core, 1GB ram, 16GB onboard flash, and 1024 screens. I would just make sure you get one with these specs and you will pretty much have the best currently available.
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Thanks for the reply! I read from a post you started a while ago regarding the carjoying unit you modified internally to address the microphone poor quality. How bad is it out the box (without modifying the internals) or is this mod a must do before installing? Is this mod to address just the integrated mic or does this also impact the external mic input? Wondering if i wire up a quality external mic if that would keep from having to modify the internals. Your usage list above looks like similar apps I would be running in addition to an occasional hands free phone call. Thanks!
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Honestly. I've been both a newsmy & huifei owner... I'm not a happy camper with the newsmy and their support.
My radio was working great then started to develop random screen flickers & after a firmware update it died. Ordered a replacement Android box (as the head unit & Android box is separate on the newsmy, had to fight to order it as I didn't order my radio directly from newsmy but from a reseller... Only managed to get it as a fellow xda member was a reseller and he placed the replacement order for me) and my radio now only half works. My physical buttons on my radio (as it's a Volkswagen specific unit) no longer work.
Newsmy has left me high and dry with the issue with zero support on the issue. I've spent about 700-800canadian on this unit and I have now a half working unit...
I'm starting to think about selling off and getting a joying/huifei unit. As the one I use to own before the newsmy is now in my dad's car and it's working perfectly fine. I only got the newsmy as at the time it was the only 1024x600 unit with 2 gigs of ram...
I believe now the joying & even the winlink units have 2gig ram models with the 1024 screen.
The winlink seems to be less popular but also seems to have a representative from the company participating in the forum activity. Newsmy use to have that... seems they are no longer focused on the carpad2 more their unreleased carpad3. Not sure if joying/huifei has a representative participating but seems to have a lot more overall owners participating with the development.
One downfall I had with my huifei that the newsmy doesn't have is the canbus. The canbus didn't fully work with my car or my dad's car (my car being a 09 vw jetta my dad's being a '12 vw jetta)on the huifei I had random issues with it. I ended up replacing their canbus with another manufacture and the issues resolved.
Newsmy also seemed more focused on eye candy vs actually developing the radio more... It still has no rds support.
Also the newsmy has no sub preputs.
Hmm other then that... I think that's the end of my feedback rant. Maybe a joying user can chime in?
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Thanks for the reply! This is great info. I am truly sorry for your troubles. Hope you get your issue resolved. Support/customer service is something I highly value. Now that u mentioned it...I do remember seeing newsmy frequent presence in the large dedicated nu3001 thread early on, but they phased out as I skimmed though the posts. Thanks again for providing your experiences/feedback! +2 for carjoying
Honestly I just checked out newsmy's website and they have removed most of their headunits they once sold. So I would 100% rule out newsmy.
Joying in the lead but maybe check out winlink/ownice unit. As it's the quad core with 2 gigs of ram... I myself am 100% torn
I'm slightly shocked that there hasn't been anything new on the market. Faster cpu & more ram? Kinda sad that the joying unit doesn't have 2 gigs of ram. If it did I'd be jumping ship 12 hours ago as they have a nice looking vw unit that's all touch. Including the malfunctioning buttons that my unit has...
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Honestly I just checked out newsmy's website and they have removed most of their headunits they once sold. So I would 100% rule out newsmy.
Joying in the lead but maybe check out winlink/ownice unit. As it's the quad core with 2 gigs of ram... I myself am 100% torn
I'm slightly shocked that there hasn't been anything new on the market. Faster cpu & more ram? Kinda sad that the joying unit doesn't have 2 gigs of ram. If it did I'd be jumping ship 12 hours ago as they have a nice looking vw unit that's all touch. Including the malfunctioning buttons that my unit has...
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I'm a little shocked also, but from the feedback 1 gb should be good enough. I figure the units are somewhat inexpensive and don't mind replacing it a few years down the road if it becomes an issue. I finally pulled the trigger and purchased the carjoying unit. The crew has been in frequent communication with me since I purchased it making sure everything is right with my car configuration before shipping it. I'm pleased so far with the support and do not have the unit yet Hope my positive experiences continue after I receive it. Not looking forward to doing the mic mod though
So far, in all the searching I've done thus far before registering, I couldn't seem to find anything that really satisfied my wonders about these headunits.. The best versions seem to be the 4.4.x headunits, as it seems most people have problems with 5.1.x headunits (ie, lagging, crashing, etc) and there's now a few 6.0 headunits (Ownice C500 and Pumpkin I believe has one).
My problem with the 4.4.x headunits are that they all seem to carry 1GB of ram. 2GB seems to be the sweet spot, but is only found on a FEW of the 5.1.x headunits which inevitably seem to fail due to the seemingly awful roms. That being said, I'm highly interested in the Ownice C500 due to built in 4G (with sim slot), 2GB ram and a choice between 4core/8core (I'd be fine with the 4core, I plan on simply only listening to music and not running any apps except torque).
The problem with Ownice is that it changed name from Winlink directly to Ownice and dropped the old moniker, and I'm not too sure why. Pumpkin seems okay, but everything is 1GB ram I believe. Joying seems good, but it seems they have quite a few issues too. I know that none of these will be GREAT (price v quality issues, etc) but which do you guys feel are best? I'm super picky and don't make decisions until I know for certain that I'm getting exactly what will work for my needs.
Maybe I should create a poll?
Also, I'm quite attracted to the Newsmy Carpad but it seems they have some MCU issues and it doesn't seem to be the most premium headunit.
edit: I know that most of these units are mass produced by the same manufacturer, not sure whether to call these companies "manufacturers" or "distributors."
If you are so picky...then don't go to any of them.
All have more or less something wrong....but if you check for the price.... the mtcd type units (2gb ram) is under my opinion the best choice
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ikerg said:
If you are so picky...then don't go to any of them.
All have more or less something wrong....but if you check for the price.... the mtcd type units (2gb ram) is under my opinion the best choice
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Well, in that case I might as well jump on a C200 and install a Malaysk rom or just pull the trigger on a C500 since I've got an extra LTE sim/line open and active.
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Well, in that case I might as well jump on a C200 and install a Malaysk rom or just pull the trigger on a C500 since I've got an extra LTE sim/line open and active.
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Do Malaysk cook roms for c200?
AFAIK only cooked for MTCB and mtcd rk3188 chip.
C200 is not MTCD
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I'm thinking the same things as you!
Mainly the issue with bluetooth, and handsfree mic is disturbing.
Apperantly JBL has a model on their way. CP100 which is a Carplay / Mirrorlink / Android Auto Head Unit. It has been delayed since 1Q 2016 so maybe it will hit the market soon?
It's 399$ though - but maybe the higher price is going to be shown in better stability and higher quality..
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I'm thinking the same things as you!
Mainly the issue with bluetooth, and handsfree mic is disturbing.
Apperantly JBL has a model on their way. CP100 which is a Carplay / Mirrorlink / Android Auto Head Unit. It has been delayed since 1Q 2016 so maybe it will hit the market soon?
It's 399$ though - but maybe the higher price is going to be shown in better stability and higher quality..
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Don't forget the Sony XAV-AX100 is being released right about now.
A little more expensive but a good looking unit.
I'm trying to figure out my next move and it's hard at the moment.
I bought a cheap MTCD to replace my Newsmy that died earlier this year but there are a few things bugging me, like the Bluetooth that people can't hear me through and the broken h.264 decoding.
Still deciding if I try another unit like the Joying 2gb or Ownice C500 or do I just go with a Sony or Kenwood unit and know I'll get decent quality..
decisions, decisions...
Mogelmose said:
I'm thinking the same things as you!
Mainly the issue with bluetooth, and handsfree mic is disturbing.
Apperantly JBL has a model on their way. CP100 which is a Carplay / Mirrorlink / Android Auto Head Unit. It has been delayed since 1Q 2016 so maybe it will hit the market soon?
It's 399$ though - but maybe the higher price is going to be shown in better stability and higher quality..
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I'll have to look that up, does it run Android on its own though? I'd really like to have Torque as I drive a Subaru and would like to make sure she's not gonna die on me (132k and tickin along).
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Don't forget the Sony XAV-AX100 is being released right about now.
A little more expensive but a good looking unit.
I'm trying to figure out my next move and it's hard at the moment.
I bought a cheap MTCD to replace my Newsmy that died earlier this year but there are a few things bugging me, like the Bluetooth that people can't hear me through and the broken h.264 decoding.
Still deciding if I try another unit like the Joying 2gb or Ownice C500 or do I just go with a Sony or Kenwood unit and know I'll get decent quality..
decisions, decisions...
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The AX100 looks promising but it doesn't run Android on its own sadly! The benefit of mirroring both Android and iOS is awesome though. Not too sure if I'd prefer having CarPlay to rely on or if I'd rather have a standalone unit that I can tether BT for calls.
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Do Malaysk cook roms for c200?
AFAIK only cooked for MTCB and mtcd rk3188 chip.
C200 is not MTCD
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Hmm. I thought I had answered you but apparently not. I thought the C200 was an MTC headunit due to running an rk3188 AFAIK??
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The AX100 looks promising but it doesn't run Android on its own sadly! The benefit of mirroring both Android and iOS is awesome though. Not too sure if I'd prefer having CarPlay to rely on or if I'd rather have a standalone unit that I can tether BT for calls.
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No, the JBL and Sony don't run Android themselves.
Personally, I'm realizing that apart from being able to customize it a bit more, I don't care for most of my usage.
Android Auto or Carplay running on good hardware that gets the basics right is almost more important to me now.
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Hmm. I thought I had answered you but apparently not. I thought the C200 was an MTC headunit due to running an rk3188 AFAIK??
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No. It is not MTCD unit.... completely different mcu.... even having same rockchip soc
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If you want to run CarPlay or Android Auto, the sweet spot price/performance wise is the Pioneer AVH-4200NEX.
Costs twice the typical Chinese android head unit ($500), but it's rock solid reliable.
On the other hand , the MTCB or MTCD units are far more customizable. And cheaper.
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If you want to run CarPlay or Android Auto, the sweet spot price/performance wise is the Pioneer AVH-4200NEX.
Costs twice the typical Chinese android head unit ($500), but it's rock solid reliable.
On the other hand , the MTCB or MTCD units are far more customizable. And cheaper.
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Yeah those NEX units are SWEET, but I'm a broke college student so I can JUST afford a Chinese unit. I definitely would've splurged on a NEX or the AX100 if I had the money (which I don't). :\
That's why I'm looking to figure out the general feelings about which manu.'s are best and what everyone feels is the best unit or MCU/Android Version combo.
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No, the JBL and Sony don't run Android themselves.
Personally, I'm realizing that apart from being able to customize it a bit more, I don't care for most of my usage.
Android Auto or Carplay running on good hardware that gets the basics right is almost more important to me now.
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I would love to customize but im startin to realize it's just the geek side of me that thinks that. After all i just want hassle free in car entertainment and Auto / Carplay delivers that.
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If you want to run CarPlay or Android Auto, the sweet spot price/performance wise is the Pioneer AVH-4200NEX.
Costs twice the typical Chinese android head unit ($500), but it's rock solid reliable.
On the other hand , the MTCB or MTCD units are far more customizable. And cheaper.
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The Pioneer AVH-4200NEX is way too expensive compared to the JBL and Sony mentioned in this thread.
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I would love to customize but im startin to realize it's just the geek side of me that thinks that. After all i just want hassle free in car entertainment and Auto / Carplay delivers that.
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That's my issue too. I've had a couple of units, thinking i'll write my own launcher and stuff and have a great time..
In the end, I spend so much time fighting with the basics to just listen to the radio or make a phone call.
Android Auto / Carplay is the changer for me with decent maps, phone and messages without the hassle.
I'll probably still play around with a tablet in the car or something, but the main unit will be a brand name one that handles all the day to day stuff.
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I would love to customize but im startin to realize it's just the geek side of me that thinks that. After all i just want hassle free in car entertainment and Auto / Carplay delivers that.
The Pioneer AVH-4200NEX is way too expensive compared to the JBL and Sony mentioned in this thread.
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Several places sell these Pioneer NEX and the equivalent Kenwood units (factory rebfurb) for $50-100 less.
Pioneer also has a cheaper option, the Appradio, which deletes the DVD player and some other features, but still gives you good Bluetooth and CarPlay. They do not advertise Andoid auto, but it has good Android support.
Crutchfield has it on sale $499 after rebate.
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_130SPDA120/Pioneer-SPH-DA120-AppRadio-4.html
JVC is coming out with a new DVD head unit that supports CarPlay, but they are not supporting Android Auto yet, apparently. JVC is actually owned by Kenwood, and most people are satisfied with their higher-end models.
That Sony looks interesting, have not heard much from the people who have gotten it though. It's brand new...the Pioneer and Kenwoods are in their third gen CarPlay/Andoid auto models and have worked though many little bugs it seems.
The JBL Android auto head unit seems to be infinitely delayed.
The JBL Android delay could be connected to the Harman (Who owns JBL) is about to be sold to Samsung.
Samsung wants Harman so they can compete in "connected technology" which in my terms also include Head Units.
I'm from Denmark, the Pioneer AVH-4200NEX is not sold here.
The frequencies used in some other countries, like Europe, are even (102.8).
The frequencies used here in the US are odd numbers (102.7) and can not be changed.
I guess that's why it's an US only Head Unit.
THe SPH-DA120 is sold here. It looks promising. It doesn't support Android Auto though.
So i'm thinking.. How bad can it be?
You need a HDMI cable, an HDMI adapter. Then you need to setup som funky Bluetooth settings. And after all that **** you can stream music and talk on the phone. No Navi-mirroring etc.
No way i'm going to buy an Iphone to get this to work. So the DA120 is still a no go.
Take a look at this youtube video to see what i mean https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvTU7fVnmRs
Can someone please tell me why it so hard to put in "Hassle free" and both Wireless Android Auto and Wireless Apple Carplay in to a Head Unit
Ok so I just sold my car with my Joying HU in it (was a deal breaker), so now I'm on the hunt for a replacement.
I had the old 2GB Joying Intel Sofia.
It was good, a little sluggish at times and I had a constant problem with the Bluetooth disconnecting from my phone.
A real pain in the ass when I had a Marcodroid set up to turn on mobile hotspot when the Bluetooth connected and turn off mobile hotspot when Bluetooth disconnected, you can imagine what this was like when the Bluetooth sometimes reconnected and disconnected 5 times in as many minutes!
Apart from this I was pretty happy, so now I'm looking for something to put in my new car!
Looking along the lines of one of the 4gb units which I imagine should be pretty snappy.
Have Joying fixed their Bluetooth issues or are they just as bad now?
Should I look elsewhere? Pumpkin? Xtrons? Ownice? Someone else?
Just want a "standard" double din 7 inch.
I also see that there is some rom activity on here now! Anyone have any recommendations to try out when I get a new unit?
Bump. I'm curious too. I have one of the joying mtc-b units and the Bluetooth audio quality is so bad that it's useless.
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Bump. I'm curious too. I have one of the joying mtc-b units and the Bluetooth audio quality is so bad that it's useless.
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Bump me to.
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Bump..
Anybody got any ideas?
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Bump..
Anybody got any ideas?
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You don't get answers because the question is useless.
Nobody does a test between 10-20 head units. You have one head unit, maybe a 2nd one in another car, and maybe you had one or two earlier, which you can't compare because they are completely outdated. That is the experience users on this board have, including me.
Nobody here can give a broad comparison of multiple units.
Quite some Chinese brands are discussed here. All have their issues and all have one or two bonuses with regard to others, be it better audio or an IPS screen or better bluetooth or possibility for custom roms.
If you want "the best" then buy a 500 Euro or more expensive Sony, or a 700-1200 Euro or more Kenwood or Pioneer.
Otherwise just read the different topics here and select what you think is important for a much lower quality Chinese unit.
But that's what I'm asking.. Which do people think have better screens, Bluetooth or custom ROMs?
I know they are all lower quality and I'm good with that, I just don't want the 1 I get to bite me in the ass.
The name brand units don't support full android anyway so no point in looking at them.
I'm simply asking people's opinion. I don't expect anyone to have 20 units in their car
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But that's what I'm asking.. Which do people think have better screens, Bluetooth or custom ROMs?
I know they are all lower quality and I'm good with that, I just don't want the 1 I get to bite me in the ass.
The name brand units don't support full android anyway so no point in looking at them.
I'm simply asking people's opinion. I don't expect anyone to have 20 units in their car
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You're still asking the wrong things: "Which do people think..".
I have one Joying FYT PX5 unit in my car and one Sofia 3GR "on the bench". Do I think my screen is better than the other one, or better than another one (brand) I don't have? Or that my bluetooth functions better compared to also another brand I don't have?
You had issues with bluetooth on your old Joying. I read more posts from people with issues with bluetooth on joyings, but also on other brands. I have a Joying FYT PX5 and before that one, a Sofia 3GR FYT unit. I never had issues with bluetooth and I also read posts from user with Joyings who don't have issues either.
I still think it is low quality stuff with bad quality control. If you open these units and see how bad they are soldered, I immediately think you have differences between units.
I only have a Joying and I'm happy with it. I have no experience with others, so for me the Joying is the best I ever had. I "could" say that I "think" Dasaita has better audio based on its audio chip, but I never compared. I "could" say that I "think" that a Joying QD unit has a better screen, because it is IPS, compared to a Joying FYT unit with standard TFT, but I never could check the screens myself.
Not really a trustworthy opinion I would say.
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You're still asking the wrong things: "Which do people think..".
I have one Joying FYT PX5 unit in my car and one Sofia 3GR "on the bench". Do I think my screen is better than the other one, or better than another one (brand) I don't have? Or that my bluetooth functions better compared to also another brand I don't have?
You had issues with bluetooth on your old Joying. I read more posts from people with issues with bluetooth on joyings, but also on other brands. I have a Joying FYT PX5 and before that one, a Sofia 3GR FYT unit. I never had issues with bluetooth and I also read posts from user with Joyings who don't have issues either.
I still think it is low quality stuff with bad quality control. If you open these units and see how bad they are soldered, I immediately think you have differences between units.
I only have a Joying and I'm happy with it. I have no experience with others, so for me the Joying is the best I ever had. I "could" say that I "think" Dasaita has better audio based on its audio chip, but I never compared. I "could" say that I "think" that a Joying QD unit has a better screen, because it is IPS, compared to a Joying FYT unit with standard TFT, but I never could check the screens myself.
Not really a trustworthy opinion I would say.
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That's fine, all I was asking for was opinions, nobody expected anyone to come on here with all of the answers. The point of the thread was anyone to come on and give an option of what they "THINK" of some of the newer android 8.0 units, pros and cons they may have come across on their travels/ownership/searching/YouTube etc.
I've seen this question asked in the past but a lot can change in 3 or 4 years so was looking for an updated idea of what people thought.
I didn't think it would be such a problem tbh.
Maybe someone can just delete the thread then and I'll just get a Joying again.. Or maybe a Dasaita as you say it has a better screen and from my searches it's cheaper for similar model (4gb/32gb universal 2din) maybe it will fit the 2din slot better than the Joying did.
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That's fine, all I was asking for was opinions, nobody expected anyone to come on here with all of the answers. The point of the thread was anyone to come on and give an option of what they "THINK" of some of the newer android 8.0 units, pros and cons they may have come across on their travels/ownership/searching/YouTube etc.
I've seen this question asked in the past but a lot can change in 3 or 4 years so was looking for an updated idea of what people thought.
I didn't think it would be such a problem tbh.
Maybe someone can just delete the thread then and I'll just get a Joying again.. Or maybe a Dasaita as you say it has a better screen and from my searches it's cheaper for similar model (4gb/32gb universal 2din) maybe it will fit the 2din slot better than the Joying did.
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Just came to mind: Check the reviews from cadillacmike. He had at least 5 different units and also posts about it on youtube.
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Just came to mind: Check the reviews from cadillacmike. He had at least 5 different units and also posts about it on youtube.
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Yeah I saw on Reddit that he settled on a Seicane But I haven't heard of them all that much.
Maybe I'll look more into him if he has some YouTube videos.
Cheers
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Just came to mind: Check the reviews from cadillacmike. He had at least 5 different units and also posts about it on youtube.
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So I have been in contact with cadillacmike and he's still running a Dasaita and seems pretty happy with it. I was thinking I may give it a go but then I started thinking about support (xda, root, mods etc.) and when I look into it, it seems that there is little to no support for the Dasaita units.
This brought me upon your Extra Tools apk (brilliant work) which is pushing me back to the idea of getting a Joying again.
These are the 2 units on the shortlist and my head is fried from them! Joying have a 20% off sale coming up for a few days during the week so I need to make my mind up by then!
http://www.hot-audio.com/product/2_..._0_Octa_Core_32G_+_4G_RAM_for_Nissan-280.html
https://www.joyingauto.com/joying-l...ch-double-din-car-sound-system-head-unit.html
Also, you wouldn't have any idea what the 6.95 inch unit is about? (https://www.joyingauto.com/joying-6...ndroid-8-0-car-head-unit-replacement-4gb.html )
Is it to fit a standard double din layout better or what? why have another unit so close to 7 inch I wonder.
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http://www.hot-audio.com/product/2_..._0_Octa_Core_32G_+_4G_RAM_for_Nissan-280.html
https://www.joyingauto.com/joying-l...ch-double-din-car-sound-system-head-unit.html
Also, you wouldn't have any idea what the 6.95 inch unit is about? (https://www.joyingauto.com/joying-6...ndroid-8-0-car-head-unit-replacement-4gb.html )
Is it to fit a standard double din layout better or what? why have another unit so close to 7 inch I wonder.
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As far as I know the Dasaita is an MTCD/E unit and therefore suitable for the Malaysk and HAL9 custom ROM. That's quite some support I would say. But don't take my word for it: confirm it with Hot-audio whether it is an mtcd/e.
Both the Joyings are OK. I think the difference (0.1 cm) is due to another screen supplier. I assume you saw from the webshop images that they have different hardware buttons / Vol knob?
The 2-DIN sizes are equal but the 7" box is 9 millimeters less deep. In my dash every centimeter less deep counts. That might be different for you.
I think it is just a question of preference.
And you can always ask Joying for the differences.
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As far as I know the Dasaita is an MTCD/E unit and therefore suitable for the Malaysk and HAL9 custom ROM. That's quite some support I would say. But don't take my word for it: confirm it with Hot-audio whether it is an mtcd/e.
Both the Joyings are OK. I think the difference (0.1 cm) is due to another screen supplier. I assume you saw from the webshop images that they have different hardware buttons / Vol knob?
The 2-DIN sizes are equal but the 7" box is 9 millimeters less deep. In my dash every centimeter less deep counts. That might be different for you.
I think it is just a question of preference.
And you can always ask Joying for the differences.
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I was thinking of contacting them but I have a feeling that it would take too long to get a reply that would have a straight answer.
Joying are having their Christmas sale on Thursday and Friday so would have to get answers by then. After some thinking today I have decided to go for the Joying. I just know more about it and I'm afraid the Dasaita is a leap into the unknown (although realistically it's probably not).
Yeah I will be going for the hardware buttons over the touch. I just like the buttons for some reason.
Looking forward to some messing around with the unit in regards to the custom ROMs and mods as when I rooted my old unit I pretty much had the nokill mod and that was about it! Seems the community has grown big time since then. Will definitely be giving your app a go and throw you a cup of coffee!
I've also just realised that I can get a OBD1 (Nissan consult) -> USB cable and use that to get torque feedback from my Skyline! Looking forward to that.
I also think I will get a DAB dongle too as there are some decent digital stations around here (Perth, Australia) and the FM stations are awful! With the 3rd party apps out there now I can just grab a cheapy from eBay with no issues, correct me if I'm wrong!
Will most lightly have to fabricate some sort of facia though as I can't see it fitting too well!
Hey guys, I've been lurking on these forums for awhile and finally made an account. I'm trying to choose between these 2 android head units.
Dasaita: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4001159292302.html?spm=a2g0o.cart.0.0.4a6b3c00svbFTW&mp=1
Navifly(6gbram /126gb rom): https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002259595389.html?spm=2114.12010615.8148356.7.3b5772e5TzuaSs
Now the biggest difference I see is the Navifly now has the QLED display in comparison to the Dasaita's IPS display, the Navifly also supports 5Ghz wifi, and finally the 2gb of added ram and the extra rom.
I know Dasaita has good support, however, when I contacted them they told me they have no plans on upgrading their units to the QLED displays which is a bummer.
The Navifly is significantly priced lower with "better features" (even on sale the Dasaita is $550 plus shipping) , can anybody let me know their 2 cents as this is the first android head unit I'm purchasing; I'm mostly gonna be using apple car play, the radio and occasionally the built-in GPS, the audio output is also very important to me as I listen to music daily.
Thank you all in advance, hopefully, I can pick one after this thread!
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Hey guys, I've been lurking on these forums for awhile and finally made an account. I'm trying to choose between these 2 android head units.
Dasaita: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4001159292302.html?spm=a2g0o.cart.0.0.4a6b3c00svbFTW&mp=1
Navifly(6gbram /126gb rom): https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002259595389.html?spm=2114.12010615.8148356.7.3b5772e5TzuaSs
Now the biggest difference I see is the Navifly now has the QLED display in comparison to the Dasaita's IPS display, the Navifly also supports 5Ghz wifi, and finally the 2gb of added ram and the extra rom.
I know Dasaita has good support, however, when I contacted them they told me they have no plans on upgrading their units to the QLED displays which is a bummer.
The Navifly is significantly priced lower with "better features" (even on sale the Dasaita is $550 plus shipping) , can anybody let me know their 2 cents as this is the first android head unit I'm purchasing; I'm mostly gonna be using apple car play, the radio and occasionally the built-in GPS, the audio output is also very important to me as I listen to music daily.
Thank you all in advance, hopefully, I can pick one after this thread!
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Recommending choosing the device which is known and a wealth of information exists here - Dasaita, at least being MTCD/E type.
In any case, I could be certain you'll be buying a unit and then posting here for support, asking about bugs and then asking about alternative roms - refer MTCD forums for MTCD type ROMs.
What else has been considered apart from reading the resellers many claims of specification and quality, often all exaggerated. I'd suggest starting with knowing the MCU type, then researching experiences with these grey box units.
If you don't buy an MTCD/E type after that, at least you will have made an informed decision.
Edit: it's probably an FYT unit, but best find out from reseller.
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Recommending choosing the device which is known and a wealth of information exists here - Dasaita, at least being MTCD/E type.
In any case, I could be certain you'll be buying a unit and then posting here for support, asking about bugs and then asking about alternative roms - refer MTCD forums for MTCD type ROMs.
What else has been considered apart from reading the resellers many claims of specification and quality, often all exaggerated. I'd suggest starting with knowing the MCU type, then researching experiences with these grey box units.
If you don't buy an MTCD/E type after that, at least you will have made an informed decision.
Edit: it's probably an FYT unit, but best find out from reseller.
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Hey thanks for responding to me, I really appreciate it. I did contact the seller so I know its a FYT based unit. Honestly still leaning towards the Dasaita based on the support and the numerous threads I see here on the XDA. The only thing for me is the Dasaita is basically $250 more, with technically "less" features.
If it was up to you, would you go with a MTCD/E type over a FYT?
I wouldn't be worried about the QLED over the IPS. I doubt there's much difference, I just bought a UIS7862 with QLED from IDoing, it's nice screen but still not bright enough in bright daylight. I'd be more interested in the UIS7862 over the px6. The new chip is significantly faster.
What I'd be WORRIED about is the price difference on a nearly identical if not upgraded unit. For 90 bucks I doubt you're getting a 400 dollar radio. QC is probably questionable even more so than normal. On the other hand for 90 bucks you're not out much except time.
Also as stated you'll get more support here for the DX6 Daisata.
Check the input/output abilities. I don't know much about Navifly, but I usually go with Dasaita since it is known for a larger I/O array with a whole mess of specialty plugs on the back for tpms, tv, dash cam ... etc as well as all the software for that stuff already onboard. That leaves the other more traditional inputs free for other things. A better screen would be nice but It's my belief that that better I/O is the most important.... in my book anyway.
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I wouldn't be worried about the QLED over the IPS. I doubt there's much difference, I just bought a UIS7862 with QLED from IDoing, it's nice screen but still not bright enough in bright daylight. I'd be more interested in the UIS7862 over the px6. The new chip is significantly faster.
What I'd be WORRIED about is the price difference on a nearly identical if not upgraded unit. For 90 bucks I doubt you're getting a 400 dollar radio. QC is probably questionable even more so than normal. On the other hand for 90 bucks you're not out much except time.
Also as stated you'll get more support here for the DX6 Daisata.
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Sorry for the late reply for some reason I didn't get any notifications. I think I'll save up for the Dasaita. That being said I was looking into custom roms from Malysk, do you recommend custom roms over what you get from the factory?
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Check the input/output abilities. I don't know much about Navifly, but I usually go with Dasaita since it is known for a larger I/O array with a whole mess of specialty plugs on the back for tpms, tv, dash cam ... etc as well as all the software for that stuff already onboard. That leaves the other more traditional inputs free for other things. A better screen would be nice but It's my belief that that better I/O is the most important.... in my book anyway.
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Thanks for you opinion I think i'm going to save for the Dasaita PX6 if all goes well!
Why not the new joying?
11"
Bluetooth 5.0
1080p HD supposedly
I just bought the Navifly UIS7862 and I'm happy with it. It has wireless CarPlay, the QLED screen is bright enough even in these sunny summer days and audio is superb.
I been wanting to update my old head unit and tried looking in here for info but I can't find anything for my questions but my main question is the android units pretty mature that it's smooth and you don't have to really worry about it it just works ? I have no clue on what brands are pretty good I seen joy alot and are people here modding the head units and making them run better?
I am also interested in the feedback from the more experienced Here.
I want to install a large screen Android in our motorhome, but don’t want something that doesn’t work well.
Paul
I recently purchased Topway TS10 unit. My first Android HU, actually my first Android device also.
If I had to do it again I would look for a unit that can be rooted fully - otherwise you are at total mercy of Chinese vendor who may ignore you, give you wrong information or will simply not understand your question.
Based on my, rather limited, knowledge, 3GB RAM CC2 Plus from Alibaba would be on top of my list.
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I recently purchased Topway TS10 unit. My first Android HU, actually my first Android device also.
If I had to do it again I would look for a unit that can be rooted fully - otherwise you are at total mercy of Chinese vendor who may ignore you, give you wrong information or will simply not understand your question.
Based on my, rather limited, knowledge, 3GB RAM CC2 Plus from Alibaba would be on top of my list.
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Yah that's my main worry's is being at the mercy of a Chinese vendor and having to deal with a buggy OS with no updates and noone on xda having there own version that's better
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Yah that's my main worry's is being at the mercy of a Chinese vendor and having to deal with a buggy OS with no updates and noone on xda having there own version that's better
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Quite right.
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Quite right.
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I've had some personal experience with both options. Last year I purchased a top-of-the-line Pioneer HU (AVIC W8500NEX) and installed it in my Toyota Highlander. I had nothing but trouble with it. Random reboots and freeze-ups. Replaced the HU once and the CanBus adapter once but problems persisted. I finally gave up and recently purchased a Sygav PX6 android HU. The first HU died after one day. The second HU has been working well other than a few quirks that are well documented in this forum.
So, I don't think there is a clear answer here. I completely understand the concerns about purchasing an off-brand HU, but name brand HU's are not without problems as well.
I've been in this game quite a long time. Heck., I was in this game years ago when it was WinCE.
Functionality wise, the top brands have been playing catch up for years. In the case of some of them, they even went down the WinCE route, so as to provide a pathway to all the great software that was available (iGo Primo, for example).
Where the Chinese head units are playing catch-up, has always been the sound quality. Historically, Chinese Head Units have used very low quality amplifier IC's which give a very mediocre sound.
Then we got the generic Android Head Units and again, the big brand manufacturers were playing catch up, except it's not a level playing field. I doubt big brands would be allowed to ship an almost stock Android Head Unit as they are not 'actually safe' for cars. They are the kind of thing which would have to be sold with a 'Not Road Legal' label attached.
So you've got the CarPlay and Android Auto options coming out of the big brands and you've got the generic Android kit coming out of the Chinese brands. Except, the Chinese brands have now caught up with the sound quality. The PX5 units I had in my BMW and Audi had exceptional sound quality.
As for the quality and reliability. I've always had good luck with Chinese units until recently. My WinCE badgers never failed me. Two PX5's didn't fail either (6 months and 2 years).
So, I got a PX6 for my Jetta as a treat to myself. I was mezmerized by the speed but the first thing I noticed on day 1 is that it ran hot. The PX5 ran comparatively cool and the issue with electronics when they get hot is the lifespan shorten and as this thing ran hot seemingly all the time, it unfortunately didn't last a month, and was returned with an amp defect.
I'm now on a Xtrons MA series, which is basically a Junsun V1 Pro. Performance wise, it pales in comparison to the PX6 and tbh, it even feels a bit sluggish compared to the PX5. However.... it has an extremely good DSP which means the sound quality utterly blows away the PX6, which was already decent btw. It also has some other nice features like Android Assistant that is actually able to dial via your phone properly (it never worked on the PX5), CarPlay for your iPhone, Android Auto if you want it....
So the gap between what Pioneer are knocking out and these Chinese head units is actually massive at this point and it's in favour of the Chinese stuff. You can literally buy a Chinese head unit that offers the same functionality as the Pioneer (CarPlay etc), and more (Android 10) and similar sound quality.
Big manufacturers are on borrowed time. In-built stuff with new cars + these units for old cars are literally the death knell.
You are not comparing apples with apples - genuine units are Android Auto, Chinese origin greyboxes are a hacked Android and are NOT Android Auto. They have two very different use cases.
The problem with Chinese origin knock off Android head units is the lack of recourse, support and consumer protection.
The resellers stop communicating when bugs and problems get hard for them, leaving buyer stuck or out of pocket.
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You are not comparing apples with apples - genuine units are Android Auto, Chinese origin greyboxes are a hacked Android and are NOT Android Auto. They have two very different use cases.
The problem with Chinese origin knock off Android head units is the lack of recourse, support and consumer protection.
The resellers stop communicating when bugs and problems get hard for them, leaving buyer stuck or out of pocket.
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My Chinese unit also offers Android Auto and CarPlay via USB, hence my point that I am able to access numerous ecosystems here. Android, Android-Auto, CarPlay.
I think there is some truth to your statement with regards to lacking resource and consumer protection but your best bet is buying from one of the more legitimate UK based resellers. I've bought my last three from Xtrons and the one which failed, they took back in an instant and refunded the money. It's a gamble but it's hardly a risky gamble, we're talking a few hundred pounds here, and if you're sensible and buy through a protected platform like Amazon, you'll be fine.
In my experience, quality control issues usually manifest themselves within a very short period of time. In my case, it was less than a month. If your unit is still going strong after 3-4 then I'd say you're onto a winner. The bugs are usually bitty I find. My PX5 and PX6's were really smooth and powerful, but had irritating little 'misses' like Google Now couldn't make a call via Bluetooth, which is more like a missing feature than an actual bug. This new unit doesn't feel particularly buggy UI wise, but it's definitely not as powerful.... However, it offers some really clever features that the PX5 and PX6 didn't, such as calling via Google Now right out of the box and separated volume channels for different things. Higher clock speeds aren't everything. I've not made up my mind on it currently, but as it costs £260 inc delivery and brought a whole load of surprisingly useful extras the PX5/6 don't, I think I am OK with it.
One thing I would point out here:
Any aftermarket radio that offers apps or 'AppRadio-esque' functionality is at the mercy of manufacturer. The ecosystem they selling against is essentially a moving target. I think the big brands get let off so easily here.
AppRadio – Apps on Google Play
Turn your car into a connected car with Pioneer AppRadio
play.google.com
The Pioneer AppRadio app above has a wonderful 2 star rating on Google Play. Is it any wonder? A number of the early App Radios (1-4 definitely) are now dead if used with official software. The only alternative is AppRadio Unchained which is effectively a screen mirroring app and a right mess to get working. Let's not pretend that you're good for life if you get yourself a Pioneer or Sony. You are merely on a countdown and eventually they'll pull the plug.
In the case of a Chinese radio, it's usually however long it takes for the hardware to become obsolete and unusable, if the hardware itself doesn't fail. My PX5's were running the latest apps and my oldest was bought in 2018. I expect this current unit will keep going for a similar amount of time, albeit not as quick as I'd like. Tl:dr, I think it's naive to think we buy radios (including big brand) to last 5-10 years. At the price point they exist, we should be happy with 3 years. Not many people keep their cars much longer than that anyway.