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Hello I have just recently began looking into the idea of a UMPC. I look at the stats on these and they seem decent at least some of them with 1 gig of ram and what not. Can these devices function as a laptop/desktop/pda replacement or have they not made it that far yet?
Device is intresting but it is no voice capable and no built GPS
http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/26/htc-shift-the-cellphone-company-finally-goes-umpc/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsItEPFEn8M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK3VAAm1GrY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuNOV2StRog
if you want an UMPC and you want voice, then you may like the HTC X9500 (AKA "Shangri-la")
pbocsak said:
if you want an UMPC and you want voice, then you may like the HTC X9500 (AKA "Shangri-la")
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It has now been confirmed that the shift can make voice calls.
See the thread in the Athena forum for a link to a new video showing the phone pad on the shift.
ive seen a UMPC with the built in GPS and the voice functionality. Im just asking if this can run all the programs that a pc can. Like will i be able to active snyc a PPC. I have stumbled upon an interesting site that has quite a bit of affordable UMPCs...
http://www.dynamism.com/htc-shift/pricing.shtml
Shift is a bit pricey on this site.
Hell no!
It's a glorified comms device - that's all.
If you think even a little bit that it can replace even a fraction of your PC usage, you're gonna be very dissapointed and waste a ton of cash.
Office apps are extremely limited, and non-PPC software is simply a no-no.
This was much covered in the days of the Universal, and things have not improved much I'm afraid.
Forget it! Can't be clearer.
"Office apps are extremely limited, and non-PPC software is simply a no-no."
if it's running vista non ppc software should be no prob
of cause aero would not work nor any apps which required any kind of directx stuff
HELLO
Rudegar said:
"Office apps are extremely limited, and non-PPC software is simply a no-no."
if it's running vista non ppc software should be no prob
of cause aero would not work nor any apps which required any kind of directx stuff
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yes it does run areo and will be able to hack a full wm6 not me but other developers will be able to it will be a great device full vista wm6 phone and maybe gps no one has confired that or not yet !!
spzero said:
yes it does run areo and will be able to hack a full wm6 not me but other developers will be able to it will be a great device full vista wm6 phone and maybe gps no one has confired that or not yet !!
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do you really think it will make WM6 and phone working ? I'm so sad to see that there is no ability to receive and give calls... and no ability to have WM applications .. it's so sad that the "fake WM6" is just like a wallpaper and a mail reader and nothing more
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do you really think it will make WM6 and phone working ? I'm so sad to see that there is no ability to receive and give calls... and no ability to have WM applications .. it's so sad that the "fake WM6" is just like a wallpaper and a mail reader and nothing more
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just check out the athena upgrading forums and read the thread on shift making phone calls
Even if it does not make phone calls out of the box, It will probably be hackable after a few weeks.
If HTC decided to put SnapVue because of marketing reason, there should be a full rom floating somewhere. It's impossible they didn't try one at first stage of development.
If it's for technical reason, then the problem certainly lie in the component sharing between the PPC part and vista. These component are:
Wifi: Must be shared and will probably be a problem to activate on both side. We must find a way to alternate it's switch.
Bluetooth: Same as wifi, but may support dual access as bluetooth can set up multiple connections
GPS: If it's desactivated, there will be the same work as for the artemys hopefully
SnapVue is a WM6 system trying to limit itself. It's not a real operating system build from ground. I'm sure it is crying to go back to normal WM6 state once we add the necessary system files.
thaihugo said:
Even if it does not make phone calls out of the box, It will probably be hackable after a few weeks.
If HTC decided to put SnapVue because of marketing reason, there should be a full rom floating somewhere. It's impossible they didn't try one at first stage of development.
If it's for technical reason, then the problem certainly lie in the component sharing between the PPC part and vista. These component are:
Wifi: Must be shared and will probably be a problem to activate on both side. We must find a way to alternate it's switch.
Bluetooth: Same as wifi, but may support dual access as bluetooth can set up multiple connections
GPS: If it's desactivated, there will be the same work as for the artemys hopefully
SnapVue is a WM6 system trying to limit itself. It's not a real operating system build from ground. I'm sure it is crying to go back to normal WM6 state once we add the necessary system files.
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wow u guys are living under rocks or something? the athena's snapvue is like the htc home plugin. go into the athena mobile 6 forum. i have it included as a addon for the athena. the athena will have a phone AND gps. yes me and oli have access to the rom. has been mentioned before. no you can't have it. it can go back to normal wm6. disable the plugin in settings and change the tsk. you can also get the menu back and stuff. this can be done by i guess running the cab for athena. the original cab we made during development had the startmenu and all gone. it was built into the dlls to hide softkeys and start menu. if u run the cab i believe all will be back. if u guys want a rom for shift. u know where to find me.
pbocsak said:
if you want an UMPC and you want voice, then you may like the HTC X9500 (AKA "Shangri-la")
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aka shift
Pawel062 said:
wow u guys are living under rocks or something? the athena's snapvue is like the htc home plugin. go into the athena mobile 6 forum. i have it included as a addon for the athena. the athena will have a phone AND gps. yes me and oli have access to the rom. has been mentioned before. no you can't have it. it can go back to normal wm6. disable the plugin in settings and change the tsk. you can also get the menu back and stuff. this can be done by i guess running the cab for athena. the original cab we made during development had the startmenu and all gone. it was built into the dlls to hide softkeys and start menu. if u run the cab i believe all will be back. if u guys want a rom for shift. u know where to find me.
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well..... I'm not 100% convinced by everything .. the Shift I have used does not show anything in the SnapVue ... no IE, no explorer, ... nothing to be able to download a cab or to install a cab... maybe synchronizing ? but I think that it can't be synchronized ...... so how? .. I have seen 2 shifts and both were not able of reading SMS and receiving or giving a call.
I will keep tune in this thread since the phone is out this month .. and will see how it works for others... I hope we will be able to put a phone on it and GPS and anything else.... but I think even without that the HTC SHIFT issss the best choice for a small notebook and it is clearly THE BEST CHOICE for an umpc.
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well..... I'm not 100% convinced by everything .. the Shift I have used does not show anything in the SnapVue ... no IE, no explorer, ... nothing to be able to download a cab or to install a cab... maybe synchronizing ? but I think that it can't be synchronized ...... so how? .. I have seen 2 shifts and both were not able of reading SMS and receiving or giving a call.
I will keep tune in this thread since the phone is out this month .. and will see how it works for others... I hope we will be able to put a phone on it and GPS and anything else.... but I think even without that the HTC SHIFT issss the best choice for a small notebook and it is clearly THE BEST CHOICE for an umpc.
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idk are u reading what i said correctly? I dont need to put phone or gps on it. IT HAS IT!! like i said if u run the cab it should open the windows up to have a start menu and all that. internet explorer and all that are in the phone. maybe they want u though to only have in wm6 what isnt in vista. if u think about it vista has ie and all that.
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idk are u reading what i said correctly? I dont need to put phone or gps on it. IT HAS IT!! like i said if u run the cab it should open the windows up to have a start menu and all that. internet explorer and all that are in the phone. maybe they want u though to only have in wm6 what isnt in vista. if u think about it vista has ie and all that.
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i'm not talking about ADDING a phone or a gps ... but about downloading "THE" cab you are talking about... and installing this cab.. I have used the Shift a little .. and it seems that there is no way to access the SnapVue ... just use the snapvue.. but impossible to see something behind it ... no explorer, no I.E. ... and I think that it can't be synchronized with a computer.
surely it would be possible to hard reset the snapview side and before customizations take place and install sbnap view soft reset then use total commander to get any other cabs from the extended rom that we need ??? (but ive not seen even a sample unit in the flesh i assume this is do_able?)
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surely it would be possible to hard reset the snapview side and before customizations take place and install sbnap view soft reset then use total commander to get any other cabs from the extended rom that we need ??? (but ive not seen even a sample unit in the flesh i assume this is do_able?)
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Sorry to bust your bubble but SnapVue is a part of the ROM... but so long as the device will happily sync away with Activesync, we should be in business.
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Sorry to bust your bubble but SnapVue is a part of the ROM... but so long as the device will happily sync away with Activesync, we should be in business.
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Hey no problem just hope it can be cracked and hacked away at till we get a usable device
I want to buy one... is it avalible yet. i saw something about it being released in europe already...
Hi. I crashed my wizard´s display. LCD works, but touchpad is broken. I want to reboot the device and controll it via remote-sw from pc. Does anyone know, how to skip the lcd-configure-process after hard-reset. This is the point where I can´t continue because of the non-working touchpad... Thanks for your help ! Buy the way: Did anyone changed touchpad succesfull ? Has to be brazed !?
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Hi. I crashed my wizard´s display. LCD works, but touchpad is broken. I want to reboot the device and controll it via remote-sw from pc. Does anyone know, how to skip the lcd-configure-process after hard-reset. This is the point where I can´t continue because of the non-working touchpad... Thanks for your help ! Buy the way: Did anyone changed touchpad succesfull ? Has to be brazed !?
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Try mymobiler http://www.mymobiler.com/ I am not sure if it will install before while asking to set up the touch pad but it is worth a try. I figured this maybe good because it does not ask to be installed on the device.
Thank you dwertz for your help. I tried, but "mymobiler" can only by installed after finishing the setup process on ppc. mhhh....
hackl77 said:
Thank you dwertz for your help. I tried, but "mymobiler" can only by installed after finishing the setup process on ppc. mhhh....
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Try this.
http://www.codefactory.es/downloads/mobile_speak_pocket/Remote_ScreenAlignment_Manual.doc
connect the device using active sync then use windws explorer and explorer the device ,go into the windows folder on your device and delete the welcome.ink file, then soft reset and it wont bug you again till you hard reset.
you should also check this link out as you can use software to align the screen remotely
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=347539&highlight=bypassing+screen+alignment
i had the same problem with my wizard. i got around pretty much everything, the only thing i can think of that i never figured out how to work with the keyboard is the alarm clocks. other than that with the arrow keys and tab button you should be set.
as far as getting it fixed, i found a replacement touch matrix and replaced it myself. i do not reccommend this as it caused a TON of headaches and still doesn't work right to this day. if i were you try getting a lcd/touch screen combo on ebay, its not too bad to open it and replace it.
app deleted because it was messed up!!!
gr8 app man, this will save we me some time
thanks
what kind of calibration needed in the diamond??
roisagi said:
what kind of calibration needed in the diamond??
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the screen alignment is done automaticaly by this app... so you dont have to do it manualy
I checked the registry to compare the defaults in the CAB with what I already had.
The CAB had
485,500 785,175 785,825 185,820 188,175
my TP has
485,514 785,835 785,200 193,200 193,835
Now how perfect mine are, I don't know, but I tried to be as perfect as possible. Even tried multiple times until I was happy I hit the center of the cross 5 times in a row.
I installed the .CAB on my Diamond and it inverted the screen taps; everything on the screen appears fine but the tap responses were inverted, I think its a glitch...Just reporting, hope it gets fixed.
I'm not getting how this works... I mean, copied on my Diamond, installed (tried both in Internal Storage and Phone Memory), I get a setup icon in the program menu which, tapped, leads me to another autoalign installation, and so on. Cycle.
What am I missing? Any help? Would really like to try this software and see if it improves my touch experience (not a reference to some mythical UI for WM... ).
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I'm not getting how this works... I mean, copied on my Diamond, installed (tried both in Internal Storage and Phone Memory), I get a setup icon in the program menu which, tapped, leads me to another autoalign installation, and so on. Cycle.
What am I missing? Any help? Would really like to try this software and see if it improves my touch experience (not a reference to some mythical UI for WM... ).
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Try aligning your screen by hand and mess it up on purpose. Then try it with autoalign and see the difference.
P.S TouchXperience IS NOT some mythical UI! Just watch. It'll be released on Feb 1st.
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WORKS ONLY ON VGA DEVICES
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Any ETA when this will work on WVGA?
CR0WN13 said:
I installed the .CAB on my Diamond and it inverted the screen taps; everything on the screen appears fine but the tap responses were inverted, I think its a glitch...Just reporting, hope it gets fixed.
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CUD YOU EXPLAIN WHAT U MEAN BY " SCREEN TAPS INVERTED"?
so i can fix what the problum might be!!
teorouge said:
I'm not getting how this works... I mean, copied on my Diamond, installed (tried both in Internal Storage and Phone Memory), I get a setup icon in the program menu which, tapped, leads me to another autoalign installation, and so on. Cycle.
What am I missing? Any help? Would really like to try this software and see if it improves my touch experience (not a reference to some mythical UI for WM... ).
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the file in the program is the real deal.... when u instal that cab, the one in your program menu, that aligns the screen !!!
this is jus my second cab and ill try to make an easier version soon!!
Internet browse fu**ed up!!! Made multipul posts
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Any ETA when this will work on WVGA?
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if u cud help with the info i need then i can make one for WVGA as well
Thanks azharsunny, I thought it had to be like that but wasn't sure!
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P.S TouchXperience IS NOT some mythical UI! Just watch. It'll be released on Feb 1st.
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Didn't really mean to upset anyone! It's just that I'm reading about its features since the beginning of my WM life (Sept. 08) and I'm trying it as soon as it is released to the public. Looks very promising and interesting!
Good idea, will give it a try
Thanks for sharing
This app is just brilliant! Timesaving and incredibly useful, now finger touch is at a new level! Thank you so much, that should be included in any Diamond ROM!
sorry for my supid question, but whats exactly the sense of this app? and why does it save time and give new experiences?
What's wrong with the built in screen alignment? Seems to work okay, what makes this different??
the app is still not final!!! im workin on it as a write this !!!
Hi Folks,
1st thread on here.
Just got myself a spank new Touch Pro2. First thing i did before i started installing my apps was to check HTC website for Updates. Sure enough they had a new ROM version and WM6.5 upgrade. Now i have it working exactly how i want except for LogMeIn. I have used LogMeIN on my HP Ipaq for ages but cant get it sorted out on my HTC. Is it an issue with WM6.5 i wonders?
Basically it looks like it wont work with Opera at all. In Internet Explorer I can download and install the RActrlCE.cab file no prob. Looks good, can login to my list of computers, can even get as far as being connected to the required PC but when i click the Remote Control icon all i get is a white screen.
Any suggestions???
Have the same problem would really appreciate any help... Pls.
wm6.5 comes with the newer version of PIE (pocket internet explorer) which is not compatible with the plugin logmein uses for remote desktop. You can try and do a search to the wm6/6.1 PIE cab file. Hope that helps, cuz I was in the same boat.
LogmeIn works on my 6.5-official ROM in IE.
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LogmeIn works on my 6.5-official ROM in IE.
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Not in mine!, you can install IE TOGGLE, it let's you use PocketIE (the old version of IE), with that Logmein works
log me in
it took me ages to work this out... i have to use the old version of explorer (downloaded from here somewhere, although the ie switcher might work also) and i need to use 'kfortp' which lets me type in logmein when i am connected, before i could connect but not type anything. crazy
LogMeIn's response
I raised a ticket with LogMeIn about this and got this highly useful reply 2 days later.
"We have discovered an issue when connecting to a LogMeIn computer using a mobile device running Windows Mobile 6.1.4 / 6.5 and IE6 Mobile. Currently, it is NOT possible to connect with these devices due to incompatibility with the plugin.
I hope this helps. Please feel free to contact me if you have any further questions.
Wendy Merrifield | Sr. Support Representative "
If anyone is reading this don't install kfortouchpro. Which i read on another forum was required to get this to work. I don't see what the need for it is. Plus it froze my Touch Pro2 up on the first reboot after install. Luckily i was able to connect to my phone with activesync and uninstall the app to stop my phone from freezing up . Hope this helps someone. As far as Logmein working just use the two files below. Install XDA first, reboot, install IEtoggle, open IEtoggle, switch IE to PIE, start up IE and sign into logmein. This worked for me. Hope it helps someone. Sorry if this is already on this forum somewhere else.
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If anyone is reading this don't install kfortouchpro. Which i read on another forum was required to get this to work. I don't see what the need for it is. Plus it froze my Touch Pro2 up on the first reboot after install. Luckily i was able to connect to my phone with activesync and uninstall the app to stop my phone from freezing up . Hope this helps someone. As far as Logmein working just use the two files below. Install XDA first, reboot, install IEtoggle, open IEtoggle, switch IE to PIE, start up IE and sign into logmein. This worked for me. Hope it helps someone. Sorry if this is already on this forum somewhere else.
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Great find, thanks for posting it! Anybody who's searching for a solution in the future and finds this thread will appreciate that!
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Install XDA first, reboot, install IEtoggle, open IEtoggle, switch IE to PIE, start up IE and sign into logmein. This worked for me. Hope it helps someone. Sorry if this is already on this forum somewhere else.
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I tried this and it works but now I cannot get IEtoggle to switch me back to IE6. I tried restarting and then selecting IEtoggle, thinking PIE was somehow still running, but even after this I am still stuck in PIE.
EDIT: Since this original post on 4/18 I have had to do a hard reset, since my email and SMS windows for individual messages (compose, read) were not popping up. I have no idea if it is related to using IEtoggle, but I am not going to use this again on my TouchPro2 6.5 just to be safe.
after some trial and error
Here goes, first off i apologize horizons1. I have the same phone and WM version as you. Haven't experienced any of these problems. All i can say is make sure you install XDA WM 6.1 PIE first, then reboot, then install IEtoggle might of been your problem. After further testing i have found that Kfortouchpro is necessary to log into windows from your log in screen or type any text once in windows. When opening kfortouchpro it lets you switch to M$ IME which is required for your keyboard to work. Now after testing this for a bit, if you don't switch it back to eT9/multiplay in the program before you reboot it will not display your slider bar to unlock your phone on boot up. Only way to fix is with activesync. Have tested this 3 times in different configs. I wish i could just use remote desktop thats built into WM. But i am currently connected behind two routers one being bridged to the other. Have tried many times to get this to work with no luck. So if anyone can help me with that, it would be much appreciated. Too bad logmein won't just patch this problem. Their program works great after jumping through all these hoops to get to your desktop.
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Great find, thanks for posting it! Anybody who's searching for a solution in the future and finds this thread will appreciate that!
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Mark me down for one who appreciates this thread. After days of research and knowing the files I needed to download but am hesitant to sign up for new forums/stuff in general, you folks at xda developers got me. Looking forward to figuring out future mobile issues!
Dan
i can conect to logmein now with my HTC HD2 but my keyboard is not working :S i cant type any thing....
please help me
no buddy ?
and i got an other problem ... i can't return to PIE with IE TOGGLE.mscr softreset doesn't work ..i still get IE6
i got a HTC HD2 (T8585)
Hi Folks,
No sliding input in Windows8 is really crappy and boring!
No smart prediction for typing in Windows8 is stupid!
Take this! Next generation input For Windows!
http://youtu.be/X2rcVjtUaYE
TouchPal official website: www.touchpal.com
Follow us on Twitter: www.twitter.com/touchpal
Facebook: TouchPal
When will it be available?
That looks really slick.
Will this just be available on both windows 8 and windows RT?
I'm interested. I used to have Touchpal in the WinMo 6 days. It was a great keyboard back then. Truly revolutionary.
Sent from my Windows 8 device using Board Express
I see it is avail for download has anyone tried it yet?? http://www.touchpal.com
trying it now.it's really buggy but in any case it's a good start
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trying it now.it's really buggy but in any case it's a good start
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Have you gotten it to work
It doesn't consistently work, sometimes just fails to pop up completely leaving only the stock keyboard
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It doesn't consistently work, sometimes just fails to pop up completely leaving only the stock keyboard
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Where did you find an English version? Won't give me that option on install.
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Where did you find an English version? Won't give me that option on install.
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I saw it mentioned somewhere else that even though English is not a set up option it is still the default language after set up.
Yep, you are correct it will default to English... but on my Asus 400 didn't work at all. Changed all the preferences and could not get swipe or word prediction to work.
Guess it's still in it's infancy.
windows RT
i wish someone told me it was only windows RT...would have saved me a lot of time!
i hope someone gets this going for windows 8 PRO!
dean56 said:
i wish someone told me it was only windows RT...would have saved me a lot of time!
i hope someone gets this going for windows 8 PRO!
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Where did you see only RT, even Engadget mentions the Pro.
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where?
well i installed it and i can definitely say it didn;t work on the pro!
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and when you get ready to install it has corupted letters..... it's not meant for PRO...trust me. if it was on the PRO it would be in the store and all over youtube!
If it was for RT, you wouldn't even be able to start the installer on the Pro (or any other x64 PC). I very much doubt the current version can run on RT, in fact. It may (or may not) be buggy on x86 / x64 (not "PRO"; that's nothing but a portion of the term used to identify a specific model of x64 PC), but it's certainly not "only windows RT" as you claimed. Oh, and a Store version wouldn't really work at all; you couldn't run it with the desktop or any other Metro app.
I'm guessing it's just a mistake you made (wrong language selected or something). The mistake might be caused by a bug in the software, but given that you apparently don't understand the difference between RT and Win8 on x86/x64 (not "PRO") at all, I'm pretty sure you don't understand the nature of the problem either.
It's a horribly buggy app, I suggest against anyone using it. It crashed Explorer right after installing, and it causes any app that you type 'C++ word word' into to crash while it's running. Not only that, but it forcefully sets itself as the current keyboard every 30 or 45 seconds, even if you manually select the stock keyboard. This behavior is behavior I would expect from a virus more than a seemingly professional piece of software.
The installer also doesn't seem to have an English installer, I had to rely on 3 semesters of high school Spanish to get through it. It also defaults to what appears to be Chinese.
But, as far as it goes on RT, it's a WPF app with a native C++ helper dll, it won't run on RT, now or ever.
Does not run
I admin installed v. 1.3 on Windows 8.1. When I install I only checked "English" and it has an error message "C:\Program Files\CooTek\TouchPal\keyboard\TPKeyBoard.exe A referral was returned from the server." I clicked OK and continue. After it was installed I try locate those execute files and run as admin. All I get is the "A referral was returned from the server error" Not sure whats going on... maybe a connection problem?
tomcklam said:
I admin installed v. 1.3 on Windows 8.1. When I install I only checked "English" and it has an error message "C:\Program Files\CooTek\TouchPal\keyboard\TPKeyBoard.exe A referral was returned from the server." I clicked OK and continue. After it was installed I try locate those execute files and run as admin. All I get is the "A referral was returned from the server error" Not sure whats going on... maybe a connection problem?
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Have you figured out a solution by chance? I'm running into this now myself, and have no more ideas for a solution. A suggestion of another swipe styled keyboard would also be an appreciated, alternative, answer!
Thanks.
InScribe
zirquel said:
Have you figured out a solution by chance? I'm running into this now myself, and have no more ideas for a solution. A suggestion of another swipe styled keyboard would also be an appreciated, alternative, answer!
Thanks.
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I still couldn't get the Swype works on touchPal Keyboard. However there is another one called InScribe. I have not tried that yet. here is the link that describes the 2 keyboards:
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/2-windows-8-swype-like-touch-keyboards-tested/
zirquel said:
Have you figured out a solution by chance? I'm running into this now myself, and have no more ideas for a solution. A suggestion of another swipe styled keyboard would also be an appreciated, alternative, answer!
Thanks.
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Did you ever use the keyboard offline? If no, then you've got the answer