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Ok, so i love Motorola as a company, despite the recent hate (which is not justified in my opinion), i love all their products and i think they are great. I owned a Moto G 1st gen and bought the Moto G 2nd gen right after the launch and loving it even more after Android L update, so i have a wish list for the next gen
If they want to dominate the mid range phone segment and make a killer smartphone i would recommend the next wish list, i don't know if it is possible for the price, so here it is:
Display: 5” - 5.5" full HD IPS 1080 x 1920 pixels
Processor: Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 615 octa-core chipset (MSM8939) 64-bit
GPU: Adreno 405
RAM: 2 GB A MUST!
Storage: 16GB, microSD card slot, up to 64GB
Camera: 8 Megapixel Rear Camera, 2MP Front Camera
Battery: 2700 mAh
Software: Android L or latest
Dual front facing speakers
And all the conectivity, GPS, microUSB 2.0, Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n, Bluetooth etc.
For the same price! Or max 200$
What do you guys think? Is it possible?
You are pretty much describing the Moto X, but at the price of a Moto G.
I'd say 5-5,2", 720p screen, Snapdragon 410, LTE , 16GB ROM, 2GB RAM, camera stabilizer, microSD, 2700 mAh battery. So the same thing with a bit of an improvement in the processor, LTE, more RAM, more battery and stabilization for the camera; exactly what the Moto G 2nd Gen lacks of.
Just more RAM - 2 GB would be the best possible improvement. With the other specifications I am ok actually.
I only add more RAM and 64bits processor
And LTE By default for all models
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2GB Ram
Snapdragon 615
LTE
Adreno 405
2400 mAh battery
That would keep it competitive with newer mid-range phones coming out.
Keep the screen the same. Camera could use some improvement, but I don't want a bump in price, so I could do without that. I don't even mind 8GB internal since it has an SD slot.
andreu24 said:
You are pretty much describing the Moto X, but at the price of a Moto G.
I'd say 5-5,2", 720p screen, Snapdragon 410, LTE , 16GB ROM, 2GB RAM, camera stabilizer, microSD, 2700 mAh battery. So the same thing with a bit of an improvement in the processor, LTE, more RAM, more battery and stabilization for the camera; exactly what the Moto G 2nd Gen lacks of.
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Moto x 2nd gen has a snapdragon 801 32-bit processor and a amoled display where are they the same? Please point the similarities here is the spec list of the X 2nd gen http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_moto_x_(2014)-6649.php
Well, I meant "a" Moto X. I just don't see it happening for 179-200$ and those specs are high-end, so if you wanted something similar you should be looking for a Moto X. It'd cost you, but you aren't getting this at that price.
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Well, I meant "a" Moto X. I just don't see it happening for 179-200$ and those specs are high-end, so if you wanted something similar you should be looking for a Moto X. It'd cost you, but you aren't getting this at that price.
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The price for those components will drop by the end of the year when the Moto G 2015 wil come out, look at this phones, and you will see it is possible Zenfone 2 http://www.androidauthority.com/asus-zenfone-2-hands-first-impressions-579187/ 200$ for the base model, ZTE Blade S6 $250 and you get Lollipop, Snapdragon 615, LTE, and a 13MP camera http://www.androidauthority.com/zte-blade-s6-price-specs-features-583086/
andreu24 said:
Well, I meant "a" Moto X. I just don't see it happening for 179-200$ and those specs are high-end, so if you wanted something similar you should be looking for a Moto X. It'd cost you, but you aren't getting this at that price.
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Those really aren't high end specs in 2015, that's similar to what the next crop of already announced midrange phones is offering. Component are getting cheaper and the mid-range market is more competitive now than when the first Moto G came out.
An OLED FHD display would be nice, especially for the night mode so the smartphone can finally be used as a suitable nighstand alarm clock without that awful background light all the current smartphones are emitting... !!!
Other than the above:
64bit 4/8 core CPU
2GB of LPDDR4 RAM
16GB ROM
Gorilla Glass 4
Replaceable 3200 mAh Li-ion or Supercapacitor
8-12 Mp Camera with stabilization and depth sensor
2-5 Mp Front facing camera
5"-5.1" FHD OLED display
Better stereo front speakers
And maybe a little less plastic for the housing
My wishlist would be basically slightly upgraded Moto G LTE
4.5" screen
2Gb ram
Larger battery
Better camera
8GB ROM with microSD slot.
Wireless charging.
Sidenote, I'm not convinced that Moto G needs to over 5" screensize because one of it's strongest selling points aside from clean OS is that there are very few options in it's size group unless you go for used and/or older models. For example, Samsung's compact models are really underwhelming while Sony's offerings are very expensive, then you have random budget-brands which I wouldn't touch even with a 10-foot pole. LG has couple models that are pretty close, but display resolution is disappointing.
if thats what the 2015 moto g is going to have, im leaving the flagship, sorry, this is my choice
As per the specs u want be ready to pay heavily as u have described a Moto gen X 2
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And by considering the specs suggested by some members i think it will beat the price of Nexus 6 or Moto X 2 . lol
For those that remember my previous thread was about the DT vs the Saygus V², a lot of you asked when and if it may be coming out. Well it's been confirmed for May 22nd.
Saygus V2 release date set for May 22
http://www.androidauthority.com/saygus-v2-release-date-594828/
Original Thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3010806
I think not a good device as it was exaggerated...
GreaterLesser said:
For those that remember my precious thread about the DT vs the Saygus V², a lot of you asked when and if it may be coming out. Well it's been confirmed for May 22nd.
Saygus V2 release date set for May 22
http://www.androidauthority.com/saygus-v2-release-date-594828/
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BAD
5", 1080p, Snapdragon 801 (even with 3GB RAM) is early 2014 specs for a top-tier phone.
GOOD
It does have stereo speakers, which I wished our Moto Maxx phones had.
Has rear OIS camera, which our Moto Maxx phones SHOULD have, but don't.
And 3100 mAh battery is pretty good for those "mid tier" specs, as the early 2014 5.5" LG G3 with 1440p, Snapdragon 801 also with 3GB RAM and stereo speakers only has a 3000 mAh battery...
But our Moto Maxx phone has 3900 mAh, and we have Kevlar like this phone has. In fact, the Moto Maxx with ballistic nylon has ballistic nylon + Kevlar.
And we have 5.2", 1440p, Snapdragon 805, 3GB RAm with 64GB storage.
So, other than the stereo speakers and OIS camera, the specs seem to be mostly less than the Moto Maxx XT1225?
ChazzMatt said:
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5", 1080p, Snapdragon 801 (even with 3GB RAM) is early 2014 specs for a top-tier phone.
GOOD
It does have stereo speakers, which I wished our Moto Maxx phones had.
Has rear OIS camera, which our Moto Maxx phones SHOULD have, but don't.
And 3100 mAh battery is pretty good for those "mid tier" specs, as the early 2014 5.5" LG G3 with 1440p, Snapdragon 801 also with 3GB RAM and stereo speakers only has a 3000 mAh battery...
But our Moto Maxx phone has 3900 mAh, and we have Kevlar like this phone has. In fact, the Moto Maxx with ballistic nylon has ballistic nylon + Kevlar.
And we have 5.2", 1440p, Snapdragon 805, 3GB RAm with 64GB storage.
So, other than the stereo speakers and OIS camera, the specs seem to be mostly less than the Moto Maxx XT1225?
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The V² actually has way more features than what you just listed. Look at the original thread.
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The V² actually has way more features than what you just listed. Look at the original thread.
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I did look the original article, not your thread. That's where I got the Kevlar from, and the stereo speakers, and the OIS rear camera. That's not mentioned in the brief follow up you first posted.
Your thread states specs the original article does not. Did they update some specs?
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EDIT: seems like the article linked by Android Authority has a couple of outdated specs.
https://www.saygus.com/v2/
They've upgraded internal memory to 64GB.
ChazzMatt said:
I did look the original article, not your thread. That's where I got the Kevlar from, and the stereo speakers, and the OIS rear camera. That's not mentioned in the brief follow up you first posted.
Your thread states specs the original article does not. Did they update some specs?
If not, then there's nothing else of interest in the specs. I don't care for fingerprint scanner, so I didn't mention it. Was there something in particular you think I missed?
Phone was delayed but they didn't update the hardware specs.
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- Front facing 13MP camera with OIS ON THE FRONT!
- Two microSD card slots (of which you CAN boot from them)
- 60 GHz fractal wireless gaming antenna
- The list goes on. Again read the original thread to see all the features it has. You're getting hung up on a proccesor that's barely a year old. It still performs very well and doesn't have overheating issues like the 810 (or so they say the 810 overheats, that's a different topic). My point is this is a very interesting phone and it still seems like a solid device. Also some still like a 1080p screen. Given that content in 4K in not as readily available as Full HD content is. 4K is not a must have for some. Also having a 1080p screen saves on battery (we all know this)
I will admit at $550 the phone is a little on the expensive side.
We shall all see on 5/22 what happens; I still have my doubts.
And the 801 processor is now 2 generations behind, not to mention the rest of the specs are no longer 'bleeding edge' but simply "good"
Not saying its going to suck, but its certainly not going to be king of the mountain when it come out.
I didn't make this video. I wanted to share it since I found that the video shows the true potential of the Xperia X series.
Display is a lot better than the normal Xperia Z5(fhd).
You will see a difference in the camera quality as well.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=g5SJq-Jag20
Credits to mobile geeks.de for making such a good comparison between Z5 and Xperia X series. :fingers-crossed:
Really looks like an exciting device. Just about the same size as the N5, but a little heavier...metal back and general Sony goodness. I love it - sold.
Would be nice if it was available sometime before 2017 though. In the US. With regular software security updates.
Oh there wont be a Z6. I still thought they continue there as well...
pilzj said:
Oh there wont be a Z6. I still thought they continue there as well...
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Source? I still believe there will be a Z6 as the 2016 sony flagship at the end of the year.
The Z5 is still very new as it's only been out for a few months right? I believe Sony stated that they will only release 1 flagship phone instead of the usual 2 per year. Also i believe the X series are being advertised as "mid-ranged" phones (Besides the Xperia X performance ofc)
Xplay21 said:
Source? I still believe there will be a Z6 as the 2016 sony flagship at the end of the year.
The Z5 is still very new as it's only been out for a few months right? I believe Sony stated that they will only release 1 flagship phone instead of the usual 2 per year. Also i believe the X series are being advertised as "mid-ranged" phones (Besides the Xperia X performance ofc)
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Well did you few the video from the Main Post - MobileGeeks.de
After 21 Seconds she sais that the Z5 was the last of the Z Series... Thats my source
pilzj said:
Well did you few the video from the Main Post - MobileGeeks.de
After 21 Seconds she sais that the Z5 was the last of the Z Series... Thats my source
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I wouldn't count that as a reliable source. But if that is true then the xperia x performance is pretty much an xperia z6 in disguise.
Why would they make a Z6 if they have the XP? Lol. XP is the new flagship.
I hope the X is only around $400. I've always just wanted a mid-range phone with a high end camera. Only thing that stopped me from getting the Nexus 5X was no sd-card and my Z3 is still good.
imho sony really messed up the pricing on this ones :| 599eur for the x with a 1080p 5" screen , snapdragon 650 and 2600mah battery???? what are they thinking?
699eur for the x performance sounds a little better with the snapdragon 820 but spending 700eur to upgrade from my z2 to this is not worth it for me unless a z6 is announced with better specs my next phone probably won't be a sony :crying:
http://www.xperiablog.net/2016/02/22/xperia-x-family-priced-in-europe-pre-orders-now-live/
No, they still have the Z series
But they announced X series just as a threat to the competitions.
http://www.gsmarena.com/no_xperia_z6_x_series_to_replace_z_series_sony_confirms-news-16860.php
I guess there will be no Z6 afterall..
Xplay21 said:
http://www.gsmarena.com/no_xperia_z6_x_series_to_replace_z_series_sony_confirms-news-16860.php
I guess there will be no Z6 afterall..
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Also Engadget confirmed it today which seems to have an official source: http://www.engadget.com/2016/02/24/sony-no-xperia-z6/
Z-Series ends with Xperia Z5. There will not be a Z6.
Official Statement by Sony
eagle25884 said:
Z-Series ends with Xperia Z5. There will not be a Z6.
Official Statement by Sony
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Sony just lost me as a customer.... x series brings nothing new, the prices are crazy and since Z series is dead that's it for me.
My next device will probably be a xiaomi mi5 pro or the lg g5. I'm not in a hurry to upgrade my z2 (still a great phone 2 years later) so i'll wait until the mi5 and g5 are released to see how the xda community reacts to them i need to be sure their bootloaders can be unlocked and custom roms are available before i consider any of them.
ptmaniac said:
Sony just lost me as a customer.... x series brings nothing new, the prices are crazy and since Z series is dead that's it for me.
My next device will probably be a xiaomi mi5 pro or the lg g5. I'm not in a hurry to upgrade my z2 (still a great phone 2 years later) so i'll wait until the mi5 and g5 are released to see how the xda community reacts to them i need to be sure their bootloaders can be unlocked and custom roms are available before i consider any of them.
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So a LETTER was what you chose Sony for in the first place. Wow.
The smoothness of the OS, the camera, the great Aosp support of existing devices nor even the water/dust rating with almost a decade legacy of doing this in their phones, nor even the quality audio and accessories being innovative.
Sure go a ahead and deal with the competition. Personally it would be smarter to stick with Sony getting the Z line even 6 months from now as support under warranty will still continue until all sales of that device stopped.
Where do you kids think life and products are about? Change is inevitable! Get over the letter "X" drove huge success for Sony 6yrs ago why not try to repeat that.
It's a VRRY crowded market and consolidation the screen size is smart. Making the phones interact with us as humans is genius because looking down at my phone for a total of 3hrs combined a day feels unnatural in my neck - I do body build!
I want real world performance not a spec sheet that doesn't perform!!
I just bought a Z5 full retail and I'm very happy. I'll get the Z5C as a backup especially when travelling. I'll see the upgrade to the Xperia X Performance or whatever Sony brings next year. Not going to cry over spilt milk cause they made a very conscious and rational change in their product lineup.
Grow up.
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So a LETTER was what you chose Sony for in the first place. Wow.
The smoothness of the OS, the camera, the great Aosp support of existing devices nor even the water/dust rating with almost a decade legacy of doing this in their phones, nor even the quality audio and accessories being innovative.
Sure go a ahead and deal with the competition. Personally it would be smarter to stick with Sony getting the Z line even 6 months from now as support under warranty will still continue until all sales of that device stopped.
Where do you kids think life and products are about? Change is inevitable! Get over the letter "X" drove huge success for Sony 6yrs ago why not try to repeat that.
It's a VRRY crowded market and consolidation the screen size is smart. Making the phones interact with us as humans is genius because looking down at my phone for a total of 3hrs combined a day feels unnatural in my neck - I do body build!
I want real world performance not a spec sheet that doesn't perform!!
I just bought a Z5 full retail and I'm very happy. I'll get the Z5C as a backup especially when travelling. I'll see the upgrade to the Xperia X Performance or whatever Sony brings next year. Not going to cry over spilt milk cause they made a very conscious and rational change in their product lineup.
Grow up.
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AHAH do you work at sony marketing and you got offended by my opinion? Cause your post makes no sense otherwise... When i bought my z2 almost 2 years ago it was THE top notch device. 3GB RAM, snapdragon 801, great screen, comfortable size, nice front stereo speakers, waterproof, huge battery, the best camera at the time, etc. It was very easy to justify it's flagship price and i still love the damn phone almost two years later.
Obviously i don't care about letters, naming or brands, i care about specs, functionality and price. That's were the X series fails for me because it brings nothing new to the table except slightly upgraded hardware. my biggest problem with the X series is the price range sony is placing the devices at giving it's specs, nothing else. I don't feel like an X performance is worth 700eur to upgrade from my Z2 (i would get a better cpu and camera, nothing else...i can get a z5p for less than 600eur and it still feels like a better option than the x for me).
IF you feel like it's worth it buy it, enjoy it, and stop criticizing other people opinions. I don't have a sentimental attachment to any brand so it's easy for me to choose the device that fits my needs for the best price am i not free to do that?
Honestly if i change to another brand the only thing i'll miss it's the great dev community sony has here at xda. and that doesn't include you obviously
ptmaniac said:
AHAH do you work at sony marketing and you got offended by my opinion? Cause your post makes no sense otherwise... When i bought my z2 almost 2 years ago it was THE top notch device. 3GB RAM, snapdragon 801, great screen, comfortable size, nice front stereo speakers, waterproof, huge battery, the best camera at the time, etc. It was very easy to justify it's flagship price and i still love the damn phone almost two years later.
Obviously i don't care about letters, naming or brands, i care about specs, functionality and price. That's were the X series fails for me because it brings nothing new to the table except slightly upgraded hardware.
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But going by your own logic there, the Xperia X is a worthy flagship, no?
It has the fastest cpu,
It has the fastest ram
It has improved screen,
It has stereo speakers
And the improved camera.
Take it from me, I have no intention in buying X, because I have Z5p. But come IFA, the letter won't mean jack if the specs match my expectations of a flagship.
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It has the fastest cpu --> check (x performance only)
It has the fastest ram --> only 3gb, benchmarks not available yet so not sure it'll be the fastest ram available.
It has improved screen --> maybe be improved color wise but it's smaller and the same technology.
It has stereo speakers --> check (and if i go to another brand i'll definitively miss the front stereo speakers a LOT )
And the improved camera --> somewhat, will have to see after the device is released
For a sony 2016 flagship i think it's missing usb 3.0 connectivity (deal breaker for me in 2016) , a bigger battery, 4gb of ram and at the very least 64gb of FAST internal storage. Wireless charging and an ir blaster would be an welcome bonus but not a deal breaker.
The screen size drop to 5.0" makes no sense to me either especially given the 68.1% screen-to-body ratio. 5.2 or 5.5" as in z5p would be fine.
AGAIN i'll have to reinforce I NEVER said the x series is a sh*t device (quote me if a did), i'm just stating my personal opinion that it doesn't feel like a true flagship, especially for the 700eur price.
Anyway this will be the last post i'll make on this thread. I have only stated MY opinion, i've not been aggressive/stupid and i did not make any personal attack against anyone. I don't know why some people are turning this into a personal war, and i do have better stuff to do with my time so i'm out.
ptmaniac said:
AHAH do you work at sony marketing and you got offended by my opinion? Cause your post makes no sense otherwise... When i bought my z2 almost 2 years ago it was THE top notch device. 3GB RAM, snapdragon 801, great screen, comfortable size, nice front stereo speakers, waterproof, huge battery, the best camera at the time, etc. It was very easy to justify it's flagship price and i still love the damn phone almost two years later.
Obviously i don't care about letters, naming or brands, i care about specs, functionality and price. That's were the X series fails for me because it brings nothing new to the table except slightly upgraded hardware. my biggest problem with the X series is the price range sony is placing the devices at giving it's specs, nothing else. I don't feel like an X performance is worth 700eur to upgrade from my Z2 (i would get a better cpu and camera, nothing else...i can get a z5p for less than 600eur and it still feels like a better option than the x for me).
IF you feel like it's worth it buy it, enjoy it, and stop criticizing other people opinions. I don't have a sentimental attachment to any brand so it's easy for me to choose the device that fits my needs for the best price am i not free to do that?
Honestly if i change to another brand the only thing i'll miss it's the great dev community sony has here at xda. and that doesn't include you obviously
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Spoken like a true child.
My post makes perfect sense but I see already you're beginning to backpedal from someone whom just quoted you. I'll break it down for you.
1. only a child on forums (cliché of the last 4yrs) claims someone who doesn't agree with their opinion about a brand works for said brand (first bold quote above). Hence why I said grow up!
2. When i bought my z2 almost 2 years ago it was THE top notch device
^ I stated that sales are affecting Sony's decision here to consolidate screen size and the specs along with shipping times and the brand sub-model here. SPECIFICATIONS like Skills or knowledge means nothing. It's sales to a company that continues to be a going-concern (accounting term) to make revenues that turn into profits and when sales don't go in that regard changes are inevitable for good or for worse, get used to this regardless if you don't like or do like the device ... change is here and in perfect timing. And like skills or knowledge both mean nothing without the means and the will to act ... using them (like drawing talent in a child that doesn't wish to pursue a career in that regard, drawing or visual arts is a useless skill).
3. great screen, comfortable size, nice front stereo speakers, waterproof, huge battery
Xperia Z5 Premium boasted the best screen (at least in terms of resolution and ppi).
The LG G Pro also released in April 2014 as teh Z2 had Li-Ion 3200 mAh battery http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_g_pro_2-6052.php
having a huge battery ... means nothing if the cpu, screen, storage and ram guzzles. Battery consumption efficiency and recharging efficiency is KEY because it's all about using the device.
4. Price ... this is a HUGE concern for what you get. No disagreements here from me ... BUT I did specifically state it's about getting more sales but more profits (the key) for Sony.
3 phones all sharing 5" LCD displays and resolution
All have the same storage options - consolidating and benefiting on economies of scale.
what you get vs what you loose in bold below. I've left out the battery because nobody knows the talk-time (continuous) standby time or continuous video/music playback times between the two on a production phone BUT if it increases you may reconsider.
XPeria X Performance (slightly smaller by dimensions but not Z5 Compact
5.0 inches (~68.1% screen-to-body ratio)
1080 x 1920 pixels (~441 ppi pixel density)
Multitouch: Yes, up to 10 fingers
Qualcomm MSM8996 Snapdragon 820
Dual-core 2.15 GHz Kryo & dual-core 1.6 GHz Kryo
Adreno 530
Primary Camera: 23 MP, f/2.0, 24mm, phase detection autofocus, LED flash
Secondary Camera: 13 MP, f/2.0, 22mm, 1/3" sensor size, 1080p, HDR
Bluetooth: v4.2, A2DP, apt-X, LE
Radio: NONE
USB: microUSB v2.0, USB Host
Xperia Z5
5.2 inches (~69.6% screen-to-body ratio)
1080 x 1920 pixels (~428 ppi pixel density)
Multitouch: Yes, up to 10 fingers
Qualcomm MSM8994 Snapdragon 810
Quad-core 1.5 GHz Cortex-A53 & Quad-core 2.0 GHz Cortex-A57
Adreno 430
Primary Camera: 23 MP, f/2.0, 24mm, phase detection autofocus, LED flash
Secondary Camera: 5.1 MP, f/2.4, 1080p, HDR
Bluetooth: v4.1, A2DP, apt-X
Radio: FM radio with RDS
USB: microUSB v2.0 (MHL 3 TV-out), USB Host
- ANT+ support
- Active noise cancellation with dedicated mic
At the end of the day your opinions are yours to make ... just stop being so childish about it and realize you can VOTE with your hard earned cheddar! Seems you didn't get this the first time around.
Why the fight?
I agree with @ptmaniac that its a decent phone; but its targeted for mid-rangers because the price is definitely a deal-breaker for specs like that of mid-2015.
Sony has made VERY GOOD phones in the past but coming up with X series with little to no improvements - puts the deal off. (4gb RAM, AMOLED Screen, at-least Better photo Quality on your phones when you use the same sensor you distribute to others) (My Note5, costing lesser, will defeat XP on all grounds. Wait till the phone comes in market and check out the comparison people do).
I myself have been a user of Z1 Compact (A true mini flagship) for 1.5 years, but NOW Sony doesn't feel like they are giving any value-for-money devices.
+1 on the support for Sony devices on xda. Kudos to every1 on that.
Its a personal opinion in the end. You want to buy, please go ahead and enjoy
We just dont feel like spending 700 for a mid-ranger specd phone.
Don't say we when you mean you. Again its a difference of opinion and view. Not a fight. We've already worked out our views in PM. No need to investigate.
The Z5compact is also a true small form flagship device: none has the same 810 CPU with 2GB ram and 32GB internal storage! None.
Since you're talking about a 3generation old phone you haven't seen value for the dollar in almost 3yrs not sure how you're even mentioning about this product. You mention awaiting for comparison but state camera should be better? Conundrum?
Hi. I'm on the hunt for my a new phone to replace my ageing Galaxy S5 Neo. I chose these two phones as they are within my budget and on the same price range.
Read that the Snapdragon 625 is slightly worse than the Helio P20 in terms of battery life and performance?
The speakers on the G5 Plus seem large but is sufficient enough on a London bus or a partly crowded high street than the XA1?
Is it true the G5 Plus' camera is similar to that of the Galaxy S7? Photo sample I have seen so far suggest a bland/low contrasty photo (Auto mode) and no video stabilisation?
And would you guys (still) think Sony is better in terms of pushing updates especially monthly security updates, bug fixes, etc.? Lenovo has been remise and negligent in updating the Moto lineup since acquisition. True?
Would the G5 Plus struggle with location apps such as Google Maps or City Mapper coz it has no compass or magnetometer?
"Splash resistant" body meaning is the phone safe when exposed to light rain or a drop of a glass of water?
Would love to hear your thoughts & advice please.
Short answer: I'd ask you to go with the Moto G5+ instead of the XA1.
Elaborate answer based on your queries:
1. SD 625 is the best processor currently available in the market with an excellent balance between battery and performance. I'm a daily user of G5+, i use it for Whatsapp, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, Snapchat, Music, Gaming daily and not one day has passed when i had to charge it twice. Average SOT ranges between 6 and 7 hours, never below it. No stutters in day to day tasks, heats up only while charging, coming from SD801, this is a very surprising SoC, it performs as well in gaming, better in heat management and battery, and as good in performance if not better.
2. Don't know about XA1's speakers, but the speakers on G5+ are a bit disappointment. They are not loud enough for me, coming from a OnePlus One, however their front placement is a plus though don't expect to hear it in a very crowded setting.
3. Camera doesn't compare to S7 in ANY respect. If you expect this to perform as well as S7 please don't get this phone. It's nowhere near to it. However for the price, i don't think you'll find a better camera. It's great for social media needs, very good for good lighting conditions, average for low lighting. Video has EIS, so they are less shaky however lack of OIS hurts.
4. Regarding updates, Sony pushes out fast updates to its flagships, not that fast to midrangers. Moto on the other hand pushes out major updates fairly quickly though not as fast as they used to be, they are still comparable to other brands. Yes, Lenovo acquisition has made the software scene worse, but i guess it still is better than Sony's.
5. Regarding navigation, its top notch and lack of compass hurts only if you have no data or network signal. Otherwise it performs as well as any other phone, if you have decent data connection.
6. Yes, splash resistant means slight water exposure is fine. Just don't take it swimming with you.
Hope this helped
Many thanks the reply. But I would like to make some statements too.
According to http://www.specout.com/ the SD625 (of the G5 Plus) has a lower performing CPU than the XA1's Helio P20; the fact that the latter is newer and built on a newer 18nm process makes it better for battery life and a balanced performance. Agree or not?
You mentioned no stutters but you did not mentioned that with "only" 3GB of RAM (the only option here in the UK) the apps would load instantly using the multitasking pane? (Videos I have seen suggests apps in the background load up slowly. I could be wrong)
Re the speakers would you say they are better if not the same as last year's model?
Re the camera 9 out of 10 the video review I've seen so far makes the photos (& videos) looks dull, bland & lacking colour/contrast. Average low light doesn't sound encouraging to me. I don't know if it is because how the video was uploaded onto YT but so far it paints a not-so rosy picture. And you also mentioned the camera has EIS but only at 1080p at 30fps? True?
Is the storage based off eMMC or UFS standard?
I made a quick survey on Twitter and all who voted said Sony is faster in updates. But would you say Moto is still faster overall? Having no monthly security updates doesn't sound fast to me. And sometimes updates can be slightly faster in one region, slower in others. So, what is it really?
I still think having a compass would make a difference albeit incremental when using location services such as Google Maps, Weather or City Mapper or looking for an ATM or restaurant in a foreign city. A good network reception is not a guarantee (even here in London though most of the times it is very good) and having that extra piece of hardware will be a big bonus.
Re the nano coating if say i accidentally spill a glass of water or soda or dropped it into the sink for a few seconds or using my phone calling someone whilst it is raining would you say my phone won't get water damaged? (I always believe this nano coating is a half-hearted / money saving exercise as ports such the mic, USB charging port, headphone jack, speakers are prone to water. And when the water indicators have shown it Moto won't replace your device. That's how i see it.
From what I'm reading, you want the Xperia.
Go for it.
Sony is good with updates while Moto has been lazy lately. If you are concerned about updates and security, then Sony would be better but all depends on your requirements
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matrixzone said:
Sony is good with updates while Moto has been lazy lately. If you are concerned about updates and security, then Sony would be better but all depends on your requirements
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Both phones suit my requirements in one way or the other. But as a "precaution" it would be nice if a phone has a compass or magnetometer (which the G5 Plus doesn't have) , Cat-6 4G LTE (which both the XA1 and G5 Plus have) and nano coating for protection against minor water spills (which G5 Plus offers).
The XA1 is considered a mid-range phone which I heard Sony is quite slow in updating (apart from their higher mid-range or flagship models) whilst the Moto G5 Plus is also a mid-range phone but Lenovo has been slow to update lately.
So....which one?
Hi OP, which one did you get buying? I'm facing the same dilemma..
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Hi OP, which one did you get buying? I'm facing the same dilemma..
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I have not bought either phone. I am selling my Xperia XZ and trying to determine which one phone will meet my needs.
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I have not bought either phone. I am selling my Xperia XZ and trying to determine which one phone will meet my needs.
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I am also facing the same issue. But i am favouring the G5 plus.
Go for the xa1 plus instead. Humongous battery, fingerprint sensor, louder speakers, fantastic camera, slightly lower performance than flagships. Only drwaback is it's plastic though but still it's a 10 out of 10 appreance wise
Hi there.
I'm currently stuck in choosing between the Xperia X, the iPhone 6S & the Moto G5 Plus.
In terms of camera quality, no processor overheating + a balanced performance and battery life which one would you guys choose?
Which one also has a louder speaker than the other?
And which one has a camera lens that doesn't scratch easily?
iphone6s price wise very expensive - low ram / single sim / no sdcard
MotoG5, very good speakers, good performance, overheats, battery drain high over 4g, nice stockrom to enjoy daily interactions/ snapdragon430
XperiaX, low speaker volume, very good performance, never lags, overheats sometimes, moderate batter drains over 4g. powerful stockrom offers amazing features / snapdragon650
So, I take of the three the Xperia X offers a fine balance of everything?
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So, I take of the three the Xperia X offers a fine balance of everything?
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I would give the answer in a diplomatic way!
If today as Xperia X user i am given a choice to buy between the 3 devices you asked.
I would buy Sony X again!
with all its other flaws , X looks amazing in hand the screen is pure and vibrant that in night the icons seems like floating. touch sensor is highly sensitive and unlocks even before my thumb touches the powerbutton. the camera is amazing!
Even if the battery of the Xperia X is so-so?
I have the G5 Plus and the X.
The X has better camera (mostly due to OIS).
The X also has a better screen.
The X has more sensors, however the g5+ has fewer senors but it uses them better (moto actions and gestures).
The X looks better than the g5+
The G5+ has a better fingerprint scanner (but both are good).
The G5+ has fingerprint scanner gestures for navigation.
The battery life on G5+ is better. The G5+ does not over heat at all.
The G5+ is smoother than the X (overall performance) but both are pretty smooth.
G5+ camera probably scratches easier (so use a case)
G5+ speakers are louder (and headphone jack louder)
If you want a premium experience (almost flagship) you might want to go for the X.
If you are a social media junky, then you might need long battery life and should go for the g5+ (3gig or 4gig model).
Both phones are fantastic.
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Hi there.
I'm currently stuck in choosing between the Xperia X, the iPhone 6S & the Moto G5 Plus.
In terms of camera quality, no processor overheating + a balanced performance and battery life which one would you guys choose?
Which one also has a louder speaker than the other?
And which one has a camera lens that doesn't scratch easily?
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I guess you already have made up your mind, but here is my addition: The xperia x's speakers aren't of high volume, (you can't hear well if the place has lots of people or noise) but for a phone's speaker (dual-tone btw) I love how it sounds. Though, in order to get the most out of it it obviously needs to be placed on a flat surface. After quite some time, the lens haven't got a single scratch. The only complaints I have for the XX is the paint around the phone (where the buttons are). I'm not a wreckless user and it has a couple of marks (paint woren off). The screen is also a bit more scratch-prone than you would expect, get it a screen protector
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I have the G5 Plus and the X.
The X has better camera (mostly due to OIS).
The X also has a better screen.
The X has more sensors, however the g5+ has fewer senors but it uses them better (moto actions and gestures).
The X looks better than the g5+
The G5+ has a better fingerprint scanner (but both are good).
The G5+ has fingerprint scanner gestures for navigation.
The battery life on G5+ is better. The G5+ does not over heat at all.
The G5+ is smoother than the X (overall performance) but both are pretty smooth.
G5+ camera probably scratches easier (so use a case)
G5+ speakers are louder (and headphone jack louder)
If you want a premium experience (almost flagship) you might want to go for the X.
If you are a social media junky, then you might need long battery life and should go for the g5+ (3gig or 4gig model).
Both phones are fantastic.
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Have seen reviews of the G5 Plus and they all seem to have common themes:
Photos seem a bit bland & poor low-light photos
Multitasking & app loading is near abysmal as apps load constantly and doesn't load quick enough
True?
Photos are definitely not bland... I'll take a couple with both phones and post here for comparison. That said, Ive been pleased with the pictures the G5+ takes. Apps load very quickly on both phones, and if you get the 3/4 Gig version they stay in memory. The G5+ is a very very snappy phone.
I haven't had the x for long. This is just my general opinion. The general feel for the G5 + is that it is the best midrange phone, and I can say I agree with this statement. Anyway, photos to come.
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Photos are definitely not bland... I'll take a couple with both phones and post here for comparison. That said, Ive been pleased with the pictures the G5+ takes. Apps load very quickly on both phones, and if you get the 3/4 Gig version they stay in memory. The G5+ is a very very snappy phone.
I haven't had the x for long. This is just my general opinion. The general feel for the G5 + is that it is the best midrange phone, and I can say I agree with this statement. Anyway, photos to come.
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Will await for the photos.
So, 9 out of 10 written reviews and video reviews are either liars, trolls or paid to give negative reviews?
I need evidence photos taken in good light (outdoor), indoors (natural or artificial), low-light & night shots are better than the previous gen. I have yet to see a video that has some sort of EIS which again reviewers (& Moto) doesn't say has.
The UK only has the 3GB model and I'm quite concerned that again as per the videos Ive seen apps DO NOT stay in memory and they reload all the time which is a sign of poorly optimised software and poor memory management.
Ill post some photos tonight or tomorrow. Still won't make much of a difference. The X takes better pictures than the Moto G5+.
I know some reviews panned the G5+ for its camera. Others praised it. It is more than sufficient for the price in my opinion. Yes, the rear camera does seem to have EIS, motorola's product web page say it does also. It works OK, the X's works a little better.
Just a realistic run-down:
The G5+ on amazon is selling for 179 pounds . You only have the choice of 16Gigabytes which stinks, but you do get 3gigs of RAM.
Battery life will be better, pictures are sufficient and no its not the best in low light, but it gets the job done. Screen is plenty bright, the device is plenty snappy and Ive personally never seen an app reload. [Disclaimer, 4Gig/64Gig model here]. I'm not a social media junky. Need more internal memory? Buy a quick read/write rated micro sd card and use Nougat's adaptive storage option. A good micro Sd card costs 30 pounds. You don't have the option to do this on the Xperia X (out the box - you can enable it).
The Sony Xperia X is selling for 293 pounds in black -- ( more if you chose the other color options).. That's more than 100 pound premium over the G5+, but you get 32Gig of storage, a better camera, a sleeker package , a better but but smaller screen and a hit on battery life.
Now i wont be able to convince you that the G5+ is a better phone, but for the price and my use it is better. I bought mine for $299. My Xperia X can be had at $250 if I look around enough. The X @ $250 is a fantastic deal. the G5 model I have @ $299 is just as great a deal.\
If camera is the most important go for the X for sure. Just don't expect 4k recording on the X (G5+ can do it).
Sony Xperia X pictures
Moto G5+ pictures
Both Cameras are using auto matic modes, I-Intelligent for Sony, Auto for G5. I just started the camera , pointed it, and hit the shutter button (and or physical button).
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Ill post some photos tonight or tomorrow. Still won't make much of a difference. The X takes better pictures than the Moto G5+.
I know some reviews panned the G5+ for its camera. Others praised it. It is more than sufficient for the price in my opinion. Yes, the rear camera does seem to have EIS, motorola's product web page say it does also. It works OK, the X's works a little better.
Just a realistic run-down:
The G5+ on amazon is selling for 179 pounds . You only have the choice of 16Gigabytes which stinks, but you do get 3gigs of RAM.
Battery life will be better, pictures are sufficient and no its not the best in low light, but it gets the job done. Screen is plenty bright, the device is plenty snappy and Ive personally never seen an app reload. [Disclaimer, 4Gig/64Gig model here]. I'm not a social media junky. Need more internal memory? Buy a quick read/write rated micro sd card and use Nougat's adaptive storage option. A good micro Sd card costs 30 pounds. You don't have the option to do this on the Xperia X (out the box - you can enable it).
The Sony Xperia X is selling for 293 pounds in black -- ( more if you chose the other color options).. That's more than 100 pound premium over the G5+, but you get 32Gig of storage, a better camera, a sleeker package , a better but but smaller screen and a hit on battery life.
Now i wont be able to convince you that the G5+ is a better phone, but for the price and my use it is better. I bought mine for $299. My Xperia X can be had at $250 if I look around enough. The X @ $250 is a fantastic deal. the G5 model I have @ $299 is just as great a deal.\
If camera is the most important go for the X for sure. Just don't expect 4k recording on the X (G5+ can do it).
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what are you talking about? As soon as I got my XX I instantly popped in micro SD without problems.
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what are you talking about? As soon as I got my XX I instantly popped in micro SD without problems.
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You're taking about adding an external micro sd card. I'm taking adding to the internal memory size (where you store actual applications). Both phones support adding external microsd cards. Moto g5+ will let you do adaptive storage. Google: Android adaptive storage
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You're taking about adding an external micro sd card. I'm taking adding to the internal memory size (where you store actual applications). Both phones support adding external microsd cards. Moto g5+ will let you do adaptive storage. Google: Android adaptive storage
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Ohh I see. That's nice. Tho you can do that to your SD card too in XX (Merge it with internal storage) if I remember correctly there was an option for this in settings.
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Both Cameras are using auto matic modes, I-Intelligent for Sony, Auto for G5. I just started the camera , pointed it, and hit the shutter button (and or physical button).
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Hey Cheers for the photos. But if my eyes aren't decieving me the G5+ photos looks slightly better than the Xperia X. Would you agree?
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Ill post some photos tonight or tomorrow. Still won't make much of a difference. The X takes better pictures than the Moto G5+.
I know some reviews panned the G5+ for its camera. Others praised it. It is more than sufficient for the price in my opinion. Yes, the rear camera does seem to have EIS, motorola's product web page say it does also. It works OK, the X's works a little better.
Just a realistic run-down:
The G5+ on amazon is selling for 179 pounds . You only have the choice of 16Gigabytes which stinks, but you do get 3gigs of RAM.
Battery life will be better, pictures are sufficient and no its not the best in low light, but it gets the job done. Screen is plenty bright, the device is plenty snappy and Ive personally never seen an app reload. [Disclaimer, 4Gig/64Gig model here]. I'm not a social media junky. Need more internal memory? Buy a quick read/write rated micro sd card and use Nougat's adaptive storage option. A good micro Sd card costs 30 pounds. You don't have the option to do this on the Xperia X (out the box - you can enable it).
The Sony Xperia X is selling for 293 pounds in black -- ( more if you chose the other color options).. That's more than 100 pound premium over the G5+, but you get 32Gig of storage, a better camera, a sleeker package , a better but but smaller screen and a hit on battery life.
Now i wont be able to convince you that the G5+ is a better phone, but for the price and my use it is better. I bought mine for $299. My Xperia X can be had at $250 if I look around enough. The X @ $250 is a fantastic deal. the G5 model I have @ $299 is just as great a deal.\
If camera is the most important go for the X for sure. Just don't expect 4k recording on the X (G5+ can do it).
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If the Xperia X had a bigger screen then I would by it in a heartbeat. I find the 5.2" (or more) to be a sweet spot in terms of holding the phone, screen real estate, etc. But I still can't seem to shake off those other issues of the G5+.
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If the Xperia X had a bigger screen then I would by it in a heartbeat. I find the 5.2" (or more) to be a sweet spot in terms of holding the phone, screen real estate, etc. But I still can't seem to shake off those other issues of the G5+.
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Honestly .2 inches of real-estate isn't that much. The G5+ took some nice pictures indeed, so did the Sony X. I would say the Sony X is a tad more reliable in better pics in first shot. The G5+ will require that you hold the phone still for low light pics which can be problematic, but the shutter speed is more or less the same. Its not Samsung Galaxy low light performance... but it is fine for most people.
Good luck
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If the Xperia X had a bigger screen then I would by it in a heartbeat. I find the 5.2" (or more) to be a sweet spot in terms of holding the phone, screen real estate, etc. But I still can't seem to shake off those other issues of the G5+.
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Really, for 0,2 inches? The xperia X is very nice to hold and surprisingly it seems when you are holding it that it isn't only 5 inches. I did compare it to an other ☓peria phone with a bigger screen (5,2 or 5,5?) and honestly the difference was incredibly minor. I wanted to go for bigger too, but this phone has a very appealing size
Balanced choice would be the xperia x, but if you want performance, consistent camera (video and stills), and a good investment you can't go wrong with the 6s; it's a beast (used to own it as my main phone and I still miss it)