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Hello.
After trying the android booting, for 5-6'th time (all working), now the phone can't see the SD card. I thought it was only on the phone, but when i insert the card, in adapter and connect to pc, then NOTHING happens. Like if the card wasn't there.. Hmm, any clue? Usually I just formatted. But now, I can't format a SD card which "isn't there."
Please.
any one??? :S
mooooooa said:
Hello.
After trying the android booting, for 5-6'th time (all working), now the phone can't see the SD card. I thought it was only on the phone, but when i insert the card, in adapter and connect to pc, then NOTHING happens. Like if the card wasn't there.. Hmm, any clue? Usually I just formatted. But now, I can't format a SD card which "isn't there."
Please.
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Sounds like your sd card maybe corrupt, they can die for no apparent reason, its happen to me twice in about 4yrs, tho i always buy from CEX they offer a 1yr warranty & just replace it if its within that time.
There's been a few threads about this;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=712281
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=646731
Which brand?
mooooooa said:
Hello.
After trying the android booting, for 5-6'th time (all working), now the phone can't see the SD card. I thought it was only on the phone, but when i insert the card, in adapter and connect to pc, then NOTHING happens. Like if the card wasn't there.. Hmm, any clue? Usually I just formatted. But now, I can't format a SD card which "isn't there."
Please.
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What is the brand of the memory card?
hey dude,i got the same problem as yours few days ago..cant do much abt it,i just buy a new one..some says the htc that makes the sd card problem
Hi,
My 8 GB sd card lags when i`m scrolling in the file manager.
In addition, the sd card drains the HD2 battery. I loose 35% in 6 hours in flight mode, but only 4% when not in flight mode without the sd card... ( this also yields for the original sandisk 2 GB sd card that was supplied with the phone).
Anyone experienced the same issue?
Is this hardware or software related, and can i fix this myself?
Error check your microSD card using your computer then switch your phone off, put the card back in it and switch your phone back on. The phone will need to index your music/video files etc so go to the relevant tabs and let it do its stuff. See how that helps.
mooooooa said:
Hello.
After trying the android booting, for 5-6'th time (all working), now the phone can't see the SD card. I thought it was only on the phone, but when i insert the card, in adapter and connect to pc, then NOTHING happens. Like if the card wasn't there.. Hmm, any clue? Usually I just formatted. But now, I can't format a SD card which "isn't there."
Please.
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i got a new HD2 and it came with a MicroSD card. I put a couple of cooked ROMs on it and everything was fine for about a week and then the card jsut stopped working. I didnot use it on any other phone or on my PC and it just died.
I own an HTC Hero as well and i put the card in it but it wouldnt recognize it. It has never happened to me before. Never has a card died on me.
I think its a problem with the way the HD2 accesses the SDcard. I wouldnt know specifics but this is the first phone that fried my SD card.
Hey guys, I had the same issue. The SD card stopped working and cannot be formatted now via computer.
My experience with Windows Mobile is that the SD/CF driver is the weakest link. The problem seems to be simultaneous accesses drive it bonkers. I've had the disappearing card problem on other PDAs but usually removing it, doing a reboot with it out, and then inserting it after the reboot is complete will fix it. If it doesn't show up immediately DON'T do anything for a while, it could be doing a CHKDSK on the card, and if you mess with it it will screw it up worse.
Once it shows up what I would recommend is hooking up via USB in CF Disk mode (not Activesync) and doing a format on the drive from Windows.
Last night I got a new 32gb Class 4 MicroSD from China (unnamed) and stuck it in, worked fine, so I backed up all my data to my 'puter off the T-Mobile Class 2 16gb and changed to the new 32gb SD. I started the copy and after a while went to bed.
This morning I got up and it had died during the copy. It was giving me an error on the new MicroSD. It had copied about 75% but was asking to continue or skip. I ended up having to cancel it because it appeared full but it was not. After a reboot I found a ton of FILEXXX.CHK files which indicated it was doing a chkdsk.
Looking at it with SoftWinter.com's Storage Tools the disk was formatted with 512 byte cluster size, way too small for such a large disk, so it was not really out of space just out of cluster nodes. If you have lots of files (I had 10,000) each takes up at least one, even if the file is only 5 bytes. So I reformatted it from the 'puter to 32k cluster size and started the copy over. Seems to be working better now.
Please note that using larger cluster size also will help performance when writing and reading large files as it has to do less directory accesses. Small cluster size is good if you have a lot of small files as it doesn't waste as much space. You lose on average 1/2 the cluster size for each file, as the last node is almost never full.
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My experience with Windows Mobile is that the SD/CF driver is the weakest link. The problem seems to be simultaneous accesses drive it bonkers. I've had the disappearing card problem on other PDAs but usually removing it, doing a reboot with it out, and then inserting it after the reboot is complete will fix it. If it doesn't show up immediately DON'T do anything for a while, it could be doing a CHKDSK on the card, and if you mess with it it will screw it up worse.
Once it shows up what I would recommend is hooking up via USB in CF Disk mode (not Activesync) and doing a format on the drive from Windows.
Last night I got a new 32gb Class 4 MicroSD from China (unnamed) and stuck it in, worked fine, so I backed up all my data to my 'puter off the T-Mobile Class 2 16gb and changed to the new 32gb SD. I started the copy and after a while went to bed.
This morning I got up and it had died during the copy. It was giving me an error on the new MicroSD. It had copied about 75% but was asking to continue or skip. I ended up having to cancel it because it appeared full but it was not. After a reboot I found a ton of FILEXXX.CHK files which indicated it was doing a chkdsk.
Looking at it with SoftWinter.com's Storage Tools the disk was formatted with 512 byte cluster size, way too small for such a large disk, so it was not really out of space just out of cluster nodes. If you have lots of files (I had 10,000) each takes up at least one, even if the file is only 5 bytes. So I reformatted it from the 'puter to 32k cluster size and started the copy over. Seems to be working better now.
Please note that using larger cluster size also will help performance when writing and reading large files as it has to do less directory accesses. Small cluster size is good if you have a lot of small files as it doesn't waste as much space. You lose on average 1/2 the cluster size for each file, as the last node is almost never full.
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Hey
i hope for your sake im wrong, but as far as ive been able to find out in my own searching, only san disk has released a 32gb micro sd & its only class 2.
there has been a lot of talk of fake 32gb micro sd's from china, most are actually 4gb re-programed to read as 32gb on your phone or pc, but when you start to fill them with files more than their actual capacity they will only overwrite prev' files & become corrupt.
i actually pick up 1 (32gb) last weekend from a local store, tried to copy the contents of my 16gb, 7gb copied then an error occurred, 2nd attempt 9gb copied but files unreadable by phone or pc, fortunately i always buy from this store & they refunded (£50), straight away, still have 2 16gb cards ive had for about 9mnths with no probs.
there is another longer thread over in the Q&A section, you guys may find some useful feed back over there: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=646731
Well, the one I got says SanDisk and I have done a full format and surface analysis, it checks out, but I am having trouble writing to it. Not sure what is up with it right now. I knew it was a fake but I thought it was a real fake, not a piece of junk. I hope you are wrong.
I´ve got problems too. I have two SanDisk 16 GB microSDHC cards and both of them are giving similar problems.
I´ve got my HD2 a few days ago and initially I used my old 16 GB card I bought with the X1 (then used with my TP2 and latest the HD2). Everything was working fine initially but then the problems arose. Now I have those problems:
1. Audio Manager has problems reading my music library. iPlay can read it though. Windows Media Player takes a long time building my music library but manages to do that eventually.
2. HTC Album can read my albums sometimes - sometimes not.
3. Resco Photo Manager can read the albums but sometimes it takes a long time to do it.
4. The computer can access the card without any problems after formatting and it seems not to be any problems reading or writing files to it. Installations of cabs stored on the memory card works.
5. Total Commander can access the card without any problems but takes slightly longer time than before to show all folders.
6. Running chkdsk in Windows gives the result of a perfectly working card.
7. The phone is draining battery in an abnormal way with the card inserted.
8. Flashing ROMs from the card worked initially but not any longer. Now it shows the threecolor bootloader screen instead.
The interesting thing is the fact both of my 16 GB cards has the exactly the same symptoms. I will try them in my X1, TP2 and Vivaz later to check out their behaviour.
When I inserts my old 8 GB card (everything made by SanDisk) everything works without any problems. Flashing ROMs work normally etc.
I´m running the Omega XT 3.0 and are using HardSPL3. The 16 GB card has worked perfectly initially with this ROM and HSPL so I don´t think they are related.
The whole thing seems to indicate some kind of "incompatibility" between the phone and the 16 GB cards. It´s like it is unable to handle that size of card correctly. It seems like it "trashes" the file system. My older 16 GB card started to behave badly which caused me to buy a replacement and now that replacement has the exactly the same behaviour.
My 8 GB card is an "ultra" SanDisk card. The troublesome cards are Class 2 cards. I began to have the impression the problem is some kind of issue with Class 2 - because the cards itself seems to be working after formatting.
I have formatted them with either Panasonic SDFormatter and the Format SD application on the phone. Both options gives the same result.
Hi Guys,
I have an (3) 32 g sandisk external SD cards that keeps mounting/unmounting and then getting message that it is blank....Have reformatted it several times put it in my computer and tried to change the read status on it....Everything I can think of....The problem is that it keeps the info on there and there doesn't seem to be any issue with the card itself just seems to be an incompatible issue with my Galaxy note. I am experiencing this actually on my note and my wife's note and my Flatmate's note also...
Yet these cards worked fine for a long time and even now for no apparent reason my flatmates card is working again...
I have seen this issue come up with a lot of peeps online but haven't seen any answers....
Cheers, jeff
Same issue here
I have a Galaxy S2 from tmo (hercules) and have been having this same issue.
I didn't have any issues with it until I tried loading large HD videos onto it (over 2GB) and then it started to poop all over itself.
I realized later that the card was fat32, even though I thought I had reformatted it to ext2 for link2sd to work...turns out that was just the small partition I created through CWMR, and even ext2 won't handle large files either, only ext4 or NTSC (as I understand it).
I would love to be able to reformat the entire card to ext4 so I can load HD movies onto it but I don't think that's an option and I may have damaged the card by messing with it so much. From what I've been able to dig up, even if I do manage to reformat the entire card to ext4, windows won't recognize that particular file system so I wouldn't be able to move anything onto the card from the computer via usb anyways.
I don't think I've answered you question, but maybe we can work together and get some devs on this for some definitive help and explanations. :laugh:
Anyone else getting this with their S4? I bought my S4 two weeks ago and a Sandisk 64gb card to go with it and started seeing this error about twice a day. I returned it for a Samsung SD and didn't see the error for almost a week until today.
The card actually appears to be fine, all I have to do is remount it after seeing the message and all is good, it's just worrisome cause I store all my photos on there. I'm wondering if it could be the phone itself? I have one day left to exchange it, but it's rooted.
SD Errors are because the card is physically moving when its being written to. This cause bad sectors on the card. Try putting a piece of thin scotch tape and cut to shape of the face of the SD Card. See if it fits more snug....
Are you jogging with the S4 or something? Samsung SD's are class 10 which I think write faster. Maybe that is less likely to cause damage because its written so fast? Not sure....
Try the tape trick and see if it reduces the problem. Else its a physical problem with the slot.
i also have a class 10 64gb, some guy on the forum posted this problem too, he said that by formating the card with a PC and then formating it with the format utility in the phone settings has solved his problem. If not, might be a slot problem like slider mentionned
I had this problem too with my 32 gig class 10. When I put my shock absorbant case on it my problem went away
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I had never had an issue with a Sandisk card until my S3 ate a 32GB. I then started readibg how the S3 ate non- Samsung cards. I have been using a Samsung card with no issues
hope you make regular sdcard backups and copy to pc
polish_pat is correct, reformat your card with sdformatter, use Full Erase On and Size Adjustment On
Of course backup first
you shouldn't have to reformat again in phone--
if the card is good this should solve your issue
I had tried 3 different San disk 64GBP class 10 cards and had this problem, the fourth one works so far...doing some searching I found lots of complaints from lots of different device forums about this card. Only fix I found was running chkdsk repair on the card in Windows but this only worked for a few people ( couldn't save my first three cards)
anyway, imo exchange the card or better yet buy a different brand
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Posting here as doing a search revealed this is the closest to the problem that I'm having. I've had my AT&T Samsung Galaxy S4 for approximately 1 month now. I purchased a Sandisk 32GB SD Card for the phone. Two days ago I began experiencing issues where when unlocking the phone I would notice the card would unmount then remount (this was in the notification bar). Later that night, the card unmounted and there wasn't any way to get it recognized again. I posted in some other forums and someone said there were some good posts here.
I've contacted Sandisk regarding the card and they refused any involvement stating it's a problem with the phone, not the card. They determined this because once I was able to get the phone to recognize the card and plugged the phone into the PC, the card was able to be read. As long as it's readable, it's fine. After dealing with this I eventually found my MicroSD to SD reader and plugged it into my media reader in my printer. I had quite a few issues from time to time reading the card, however I can't 100% for sure say whether this is the card or the printer.
Anywho, I grabbed copies of what I needed. Formatted the card on the PC, then formatted it on the phone. I began to copy my entries however at one point instead of saying I had 29.* GB Available, it said something like 2.0 EV of 3.0 PE or something like that... these weren't the typical numbers I've seen nor the units of storage space. I apologize that I can't recall that information. I reformatted again and it worked. Left the card in the phone empty over night then tried to copy files later today. This worked.
Now, approximately 48 hours after the problems began, I noticed more issues. SD card stated that it had been damaged and that I should reformat it. While this message stayed in notifications, I confirmed I was still able to read files on the SD card. When googling that error hoping I'd find more resources, the card again unmounted.
One of the resources I found had me do a CHKDSK /F /X on the card. I did this and found no issues. I've replaced it back into the phone and it seems to be working for the moment.
1) Are there any confirmations if this is a bad card, or if perhaps any applications are causing the card to do this? I do have QuickPic and have enabled some of the hidden file features if that helps.
2) Do we know if there are any logs that can be pulled to help verify this?
3) Is it a specific card? (I've heard SanDisk 32gb, but also have heard non-Samsung SD will fail)
Looking to get this resolved ASAP. This card was purchased directly from AT&T when the phone was purchased. I am just looking for some confirmation that if I have to buy another card, I'm not going to gamble if that's going to have the problem as well.
Thanks! If I forgot anything please ask!
Edit: Per the thread, this is a Class 4 card. Also the phone was not moving when it was writing data. I've been couch-ridden all day and unlocked it. I don't believe the phone was in deep-sleep mode as I had received a text not long before I began noticing these messages.
same problem
i have the same problem and guess what ?
the phone is acting like the ***** it stays ok for 3 weeks while that time i download to many stuff to my ext card 32g Elixir Memory after that it crach and give me notification that sd card is damaged and i have to reformat it sucks
by the ****in way this's the fifth time it crash i changed the memory to sony and same and changed to Kodak and the same
so abso****inlotley its the S3 for me soon its going to trash
polish_pat said:
i also have a class 10 64gb, some guy on the forum posted this problem too, he said that by formating the card with a PC and then formating it with the format utility in the phone settings has solved his problem. If not, might be a slot problem like slider mentionned
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This works! It fixed the issue I was having with my SanDisk 64GB.
Hi,
It's the 2nd time that my SDcard stops working. Overall using SDcards on my SGS3 and now SGS4 - I have lost 4 cards (in a period of 1.5 years).
I am making sure that I am buying a Class-10 cards and they are usuaully 16Gb or 32Gb (the one that I've just lost is a Polaroid 16Gb class-10 - not the cheapest one).
What I see right now is that some folders has files that seems to be corrupted. For example DCIM folder has a file that looks like uAMERA (instead of CAMERA) and its at a size of 0b (this is a folder obviously and I cannot modify that name anymore).
All the files under the Titanium backup has weird names now.
My questions are:
1. Is there any type of tool (something like an 'fsck', etc.) that can actually try to recover whatever got corrupted on this card?
2. Is there any recommendation, anyone who had a good experience using an SDcard over 6 months or so, What should I buy as the next SDcard?
3. Is there an application that will check the SDcard 'health' and will, hopefully alert, that something is starting to get wrong with the SDcard? (not sure if that is even possible).
Thanks,
Gil.
Positive experiences using Samsung class 10 cards. Used a 32GB-version for over two years in my SGS2 and now a 64GB one in the SGS4, all without any problems whatsoever :good:
Get Samsung microsd card. Been using it since I got my S4 and no problems so far.
After i had a few cheap memory cards fall apart, i now only buy Samsung as they are very durable, see below.
Samsung Memory cards can endure 24 hours submerged in water and survive being run over by a 1.6 ton vehicle (SDHC, SDXC), not to mention the perils of airport x-ray machines, magnetism and extreme temperatures.
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John.
I can recommend you an ADATA micro SD cards (as well as SD cards). It`s got great performance, stability and price. Now i`ve got my third one which is 32GB ADATA mSD card with 28Mb/s read and 18Mb/s write. (five or lifetime warranty depends on country)
I recommend Samsung microsd! I never had problems with my 32 GB microsd
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I've had 2 issues with my SanDisk 32GB Class 10.
First time it stopped mounting and kept trying to "repair itself." Brought it to pc.. the card had all my files but it was super laggy. I couldn't access anything, even though the files were there. I ended up formatting. Worked afterwards.
Second issue was it un-mounting and showing blank or unsupported files.. I was watching an episode of The Simpsons, the next file I opened was a Family Guy episode.. that's when it decided to stopped working. Restarting phone didn't work so I shut down and removed the sd card.. worked after reinserting.
None of my files were corrupted/virus
But so far..its working. Good thing I sync with Dropbox.. would have lost all my pictures and video's..
I'm using Transcend MicroSDXC 64GB UHS-I. At first i got bad memory, the card stop working or got error after copying 31GB of data or if i format the memory (non-quick format) it will give error after 51%.
After replacing the card, it looks ok now.
My G S4 just did the same thing... uAmera or the microAmera folder... All photos are gone. Tried recovering with no luck so far. Anyone else experience this?
So I got this phone a few days ago. I use jet audio plus for my music and have about 30gb of music on my SD card. Pulled the card outta the old phone and put it in here. It reads it fine and saves all my photos. I noticed that the music app will sometimes go blank for a minute and my playlists will empty. After a few seconds, the music all comes back like it is rereading the SD card. First thought was maybe a problem with the app so I emailed the dev and they told me to troubleshoot and see if it happens with music not on the SD and then try music on the SD on Google play music.
Problem did not occur with music on internal memory. Problem did happen in Google play music. So then I checked my photo and noticed the galleries do the same thing and go blank for a second and then reload.
The memory card is maybe 2 months old and it's a higher quality one with a good speed rating. Before I was gonna reformat it, I figured I'd check online and see if anyone else reported an issue. Sure enough, I see samsung.com has a topic in their forum and tons of people are complaining about the same issue with many different sizes and types of cards. I was surprised that this wasn't posted here yet (at least from my quick searches).
Anyone else experience anything similar? Any feedback? News?
Auto correct changed S8 to So in the title*
Still no update on this issue. Thread on Samsung forum is 8 pages long of people troubleshooting, so far no solid fix. I'm not (knock on wood) experiencing the random reboot issues that others are. Perhaps those who are should download SD card monitor and see if their card is going crazy too.
https://us.community.samsung.com/t5...cpage/board-id/GalaxyS/thread-id/22859/page/8
All I can say that when my card started disconnecting like this on my previous Samsung phones, it went bad withing few weeks, I mean bad like not able to access it at all. If I may suggest, do full back of everything on that card, also check LOST.DIR, if anything is there you already have some files corrupted/lost. I don't know if this is SD card issue or phone error corrupting the card, but I lost about 4 cards this way over the years, but nothing recently and my S8 works fine.
Try backing up the card and reformatting in the new phone. I had a similar experience going from the s6 to the s7. No issues with s7 to s8, so far, though.
I've had very bad experiences with memory cards and cell phones. To be fair though, those were crappy memory cards I'd bought and I certainly got what I paid for. Now with this new 256gb Samsung EVO card, I'm hoping good things for it. Reviews certainly paint it in a good light.
I'm running the Xtreme level SanDisk. I am worried about the card being burnt up, but I don't know if it's the problem. Tried other cards like other people have in the topic I posted, same results.
I just want to say that I have personally have had VERY bad luck with SD cards I get off of Amazon. The ones I buy at a store never suffer such issues.
This is just my own personal experience, others may differ.
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Issue still on going. More and more people reporting this on the Samsung forum.
Have people tried formatting using the phone? I haven't had a problem yet.
I formatted a Samsung 64gb ultra as card that I got from target with my phone. It disconnects. It has nothing to do with Amazon, or cheap sd cards.
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I formatted a Samsung 64gb ultra as card that I got from target with my phone. It disconnects. It has nothing to do with Amazon, or cheap sd cards.
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One thing I thought of, make absolute sure the card is seated flush in the holder. Sometimes a corner will fight its way out. I put it on my desk and lightly pressed until it clicked. Obviously you may have too but I'm just trying to think of things before blaming the card reader in the phone.
Yes, people have tried all kinds of trouble shooting. A lot of people formatted in the phone and on the pc
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One thing I thought of, make absolute sure the card is seated flush in the holder. Sometimes a corner will fight its way out. I put it on my desk and lightly pressed until it clicked. Obviously you may have too but I'm just trying to think of things before blaming the card reader in the phone.
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Yeah right after I made my last comment I went and checked that. It didn't go back in until it was as flat as possible. It seems to be working so far. I also polished the pins with brass polish to ensure a proper connection. I'll come back later to update if everything stays okay or not.
Having the same sd card problems with my Sprint S8+. Sometimes it reads it and sometimes it doesn't(ghost icons) with constant different sd card notifications .
It's a new 256gb samsung evo pro card that came with the $99 immersive bundle from Sam but tried my 64gb pro card out of my Note 4 and same thing. Of course tried formatting,reseating card and sam support said it had to be encrypted which was no help.They did give me a ticket and label to send it to them for repair.'
Now the question I have.......are there people that are having NO sd card problems with putting apps and folders and such on it ????Wanting to know if it's a possible bug/software problem that will have a fix or a hardware problem with my phone and think that I should send it in. Never had any problems like this with my Note 4!
My sd card seems to be fine after reinserting it.
I have not come across any issues with my SD card (Samsung Evo 256GB) on US S8. No error messages what so ever. Actually kind of surprised, since in the past almost every Android version update brought some new permissions and messed up some form of SD card access. The messages about removing SD card is not normal and it will corrupt SD card if it happens during write cycle.
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I have not come across any issues with my SD card (Samsung Evo 256GB) on US S8. No error messages what so ever. Actually kind of surprised, since in the past almost every Android version update brought some new permissions and messed up some form of SD card access. The messages about removing SD card is not normal and it will corrupt SD card if it happens during write cycle.
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Did you encrypt your micro sd?
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Now the question I have.......are there people that are having NO sd card problems with putting apps and folders and such on it ????Wanting to know if it's a possible bug/software problem that will have a fix or a hardware problem with my phone and think that I should send it in. Never had any problems like this with my Note 4!
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No apps. Hundreds of folders, thousands of files. SanDisk 200 gb.
I am getting some strange issues related with write permissions on micro sd with some apps. I think are related with encryption. I am testing.
No encryption, I don't believe in full encryption, most of the stuff is pictures and videos which don't need to be encrypted, for things that need to be secured I use secure folder or encrypt the file itself. Also I don't care what anybody says, encryption increases usage of CPU, slows it down and uses battery. It also increases the risk of corruption and file error and in case of some errors there is no way to access it from computer to recover data.
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No apps. Hundreds of folders, thousands of files. SanDisk 200 gb.
I am getting some strange issues related with write permissions on micro sd with some apps. I think are related with encryption. I am testing.
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Update: disabled micro sd encryption today and write access permission issues seem to be solved so far.
Sd card disconnected again. So obviously the slot is loose garbage. I put the phone in my pocket while listening to music and the music stopped. I pulled the phone out and the sd card was unmounted. The sd was a huge reason I went with this phone and It's ****!