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Mate 9 Camera Tests - Stucked Pixels Test 21-Feb

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Test 1: Dual vs Single lens.
Objective: To see if Dual lens make a difference.
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Full size: http://img.pixady.com/2017/02/727998_hwm9_dual_lens_test.jpg
Result: Better dynamic range, sharper and more details with dual lens.
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Test 2: Dual lens vs Single lens @ 2X Zoom
Objective: To see if Dual lens is being used with Zoom
Full size: http://img.pixady.com/2017/02/665216_hwm9_2x_dual_lens_test2.jpg
Results: Same as Test 1. Gives better result when dual camera is used.
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Test 3: Crop vs Zoom 2X
Objective: To see if zooming at 2X is better than cropping from "no zoom".
Full size: http://img.pixady.com/2017/02/963384_hwm9_crop_vs_zoom_test.jpg
Result: Cropping from "no zoom" gives better results compared to zoom at 2X.
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Test 4: Crop vs Zoom 6X
Objective: To see if zooming at 6X is better than cropping from "no zoom".
Full size: http://img.pixady.com/2017/02/417709_hwm9_6x_crop_vs_zoom_test.jpg
Results: Unlike 2X zoom. 6X digital zoom gives better results than cropping.
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Test 5: Colour vs Monochrome OIS
Objective: To test if OIS is working in monocrhome
Animated full size: https://media.giphy.com/media/l3q2EYMtG5mru2Yvu/source.gif
Results: Proves that OIS is not working in monochrome mode.
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Test 5: Monochrome vs Colour->Mono.
Objective: To see how monochrome camera compares to colored photo converted to mono.
Full size: http://img.pixady.com/2017/02/858178_hwm9_2x_mono_vs_color2mono.jpg
(Nik collection silver plugin is used to convert colored photo to mono. Curve editor is then used to make it look similar to the monochrome pic.)
Results: Converted Colour to Mono looks sharper and has more details.
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Test 6: Low Light test - Normal vs HDR vs Night
Objective: Mode that is good for low light situations
Full size: http://img.pixady.com/2017/02/622057_hwm9_low_light_normal_vs_hdr_vs_night.jpg
Results: Obviously Night Mode produces the best result in the situation where you can stabilize the phone & the subjects are non-living things. Using HDR produces better results than normal mode when used in low light situations.
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Test 7: 20mp vs 12mp
Full size: http://img.pixady.com/2017/02/991377_hwm9_20vs12mp.jpg
Results: 20MP has slightly more details which can only be seen when pixel peeped.
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Test 8: Colour Test: Default vs Vivid vs Smooth
Objective: Which colour mode is best for everyday use?
Full size: http://img.pixady.com/2017/02/403146_hwm9_color_test.jpg
Results: Default colours are bland but retains the most details - useful for post editing.
Vivid is over-saturated while Smooth gives the most natural colors. Both looks good enough to share to social media without much edit.
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Test 9: BG Blur - Huawei Wide Aperture vs Google Camera Lens Blur vs AfterFocus Pro
Objective: Which is the best solution for BG blur?
Full size: http://img.pixady.com/2017/02/598490_hwm9_bg_blur.jpg
Results: Huawei Mate 9's Wide Aperture mode only takes pictures at 12MP but it's better than Google Camera (installed on Mate 9) which takes lens blur photo at 3.1MP. AfterFocus Pro is an app used to add manually draw and add bg blur to get similar effects but the process takes about 2-3 min minimum for each picture.
Huawei's Wide Aperture mode has the most pleasant bokeh (blur) especially in the highlights. However, both Wide Aperture mode and Google Lens Blur are often a hit and miss on which part of the background to blur. In this example, the blur is not applied between Goku's legs (and on google camera it's worse) as the softwares struggle against complicated subjects and backgrounds.
Good thing is, Huawei improved the Mate 9 over P9 by implementing live Wide Aperture View on the Mate 9 so users can shift the camera real time to get better results.
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Test 10: Zoom 6X(cropped) vs 10X (B158)
Objective: Is there a difference in quality?
Full size: http://img.pixady.com/2017/02/935701_hwm9_6x_vs_10x.jpg
Results: 10X zoom looks slightly more detailed than 6X zoom but only when pixel peeped.
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Test 11: How to test your camera for stucked pixels?
Objective: Are there stucked pixels in your camera sensor?
How: Start camera, swipe right and choose night mode. Cover the camera and take a picture which will last 20s.
Clusters of stucked pixels circled from my Mate 9. There are many other stucked pixels but are not as obvious.
Full size: http://img.pixady.com/2017/02/609314_hp.jpg
For some digital cameras, there are pixel remapping functions to attempt to get rid of stucked pixels. However, it's not possible to do that now for Huawei Mate 9. I have contacted the my local Huawei Support and at first, they have no idea what they are. After several emails, they gave 2 solutions: 1st to clear data/cache of the camera which doesn't work on my Mate 9, and 2nd, to factory reset my phone which I will not be able to do any time soon.
Please test to see if the same problem occurs on your Mate 9, and if there is, please contact Huawei Support and see if they have any solutions from your side. If someone is able to get rid of stucked pixels from by factory resetting (highly doubtful), please post as well.
Note that the stucked pixel clusters only shows up during long exposures like night mode and light painting.
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Taken with B138 firmware.
B158 from Test 10 onwards.

Flawed test. Sorry. Both lenses are used with zoom.

gavinfabl said:
Flawed test. Sorry. Both lenses are used with zoom.
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No need to be sorry. I have re-tested and you're right. I'll update the results. Thanks.

Nikorasu said:
No need to be sorry. I have re-tested and you're right. I'll update the results. Thanks.
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Thanks for the tests, I already did this in amateur way and I saw that when covering the monochrome lens the information on the histogram changes, besides the warning on the camera that says no to cover the lens; so I guess this time both cameras are used.
But I still have a question, and I don't know if you can test it as well. It seems the monochrome lens lacks of stabilization (OIS), where the color one is stabilized. How I noticed this?, is easy, just try to use the 6X zoom while handling the device ion hands and you will notice that with the monochrome lens is really shaky and unstable, while when the color one is stable and smooth.
I have good pulse, but while doing some pictures this weekend, I noticed this and somehow makes me think that maybe only of the lens are using OIS, or maybe it could be another explanation.
I would greatly appreciate if you can test this as well.

It was published before the phone even came out that only the color sensor had OIS.

dscline said:
It was published before the phone even came out that only the color sensor had OIS.
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Do you know where can I find this?, or any article or official statements about this?. I'm really interested in having more information about this.

Galaxo60 said:
...But I still have a question, and I don't know if you can test it as well. It seems the monochrome lens lacks of stabilization (OIS), where the color one is stabilized. How I noticed this?, is easy, just try to use the 6X zoom while handling the device ion hands and you will notice that with the monochrome lens is really shaky and unstable, while when the color one is stable and smooth....
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Tested and added to the list.

Nikorasu said:
Tested and added to the list.
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Thanks so much for this, I didn't find any information about this and I was just concerned to have a defective unit or something else was happening.
Too bad OIS is not enabled for both lenses, but still is a good job what these 2 lenses do.

Galaxo60 said:
Do you know where can I find this?, or any article or official statements about this?. I'm really interested in having more information about this.
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Here are a few reviews that mentioned it...
https://gavinsgadgets.com/tag/huawei-mate-9/
http://cellnet.info/posts/2016/11/15/review-huawei-mate-9/
http://blog.smartprix.com/huawei-mate-9-launched-germany/
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10813/huawei-mate-9-launch-and-hands-on-kirin-960-59in-fhd-daydream-vr

dscline said:
Here are a few reviews that mentioned it...
https://gavinsgadgets.com/tag/huawei-mate-9/
http://cellnet.info/posts/2016/11/15/review-huawei-mate-9/
http://blog.smartprix.com/huawei-mate-9-launched-germany/
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10813/huawei-mate-9-launch-and-hands-on-kirin-960-59in-fhd-daydream-vr
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Thanks so much for the information, this is exactly what I needed.

Galaxo60 said:
Thanks so much for this, I didn't find any information about this and I was just concerned to have a defective unit or something else was happening.
Too bad OIS is not enabled for both lenses, but still is a good job what these 2 lenses do.
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No problem. I'm having fun doing this.
Update: Added monochrome & low light tests.
If you are good with editing software, there's no need to use monochrome mode at all.

Nikorasu said:
No problem. I'm having fun doing this.
Update: Added monochrome & low light tests.
If you are good with editing software, there's no need to use monochrome mode at all.
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Could you add another test, please?.
We can shoot color at 20MP as well, so I was wondering if shooting at 20MP can produce sharper details than shooting at 12MP. I mean, could the lack of OIS on the monochrome sensor could affect the colour photo at 20MP?, is there any real difference between shooting 12MP vs 20MP in color?.
Thanks for the excellent job!.
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Galaxo60 said:
Could you add another test, please?.
We can shoot color at 20MP as well, so I was wondering if shooting at 20MP can produce sharper details than shooting at 12MP. I mean, could the lack of OIS on the monochrome sensor could affect the colour photo at 20MP?, is there any real difference between shooting 12MP vs 20MP in color?.
Thanks for the excellent job!.
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I have tested and updated the first post.
There is negligible difference which you can only see if you compare them at 200%. However, if you intend to use it for professional work or prints then stick to 20mp.
Here is a print size guide: http://design215.com/toolbox/megapixels.php

Galaxo60 said:
Could you add another test, please?.
We can shoot color at 20MP as well, so I was wondering if shooting at 20MP can produce sharper details than shooting at 12MP. I mean, could the lack of OIS on the monochrome sensor could affect the colour photo at 20MP?, is there any real difference between shooting 12MP vs 20MP in color?.
Thanks for the excellent job!.
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Update. The 20mp vs 12mp test I did was done by keeping the phone as still as possible, so OIS was not really involved.
I actually did multiple handheld tests but they were non-conclusive as it's impossible to create the same amount of "shakiness".
Sometimes the 20mp version is sharper, sometimes it's less.
Also, added colour tests.

Nikorasu said:
Update. The 20mp vs 12mp test I did was done by keeping the phone as still as possible, so OIS was not really involved.
I actually did multiple handheld tests but they were non-conclusive as it's impossible to create the same amount of "shakiness".
Sometimes the 20mp version is sharper, sometimes it's less.
Also, added colour tests.
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Thanks for the nice job!
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Great write up. Pictures look excellent. I love this camera!

so do you recommend mate 9 for me?
i had mate 8 and camera was really medcore
it mate 9 better in camera?

rowihel2012 said:
so do you recommend mate 9 for me?
i had mate 8 and camera was really medcore
it mate 9 better in camera?
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Yes, the mate 9 camera did get 87 Dxomark for photo which is 2 points away from the best, Google Pixel.
However, only on Huawei Mate 9 and P9 (and actual cameras) can get you nice bokeh effects like

Nikorasu said:
Yes, the mate 9 camera did get 87 Dxomark for photo which is 2 points away from the best, Google Pixel.
However, only on Huawei Mate 9 and P9 (and actual cameras) can get you nice bokeh effects like
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Going to test the 10X zoom in the new update?.

Photo quality

Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Huawei P30 come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

Hi everyone. Any camera improvements over Mate 20 Pro?

No sample photo here?
It's hard to find one even in youtube since all attention goes to the Pro version...

On my Channel you can find a review (but in german)
youtube.com/mobilejack

WarVic said:
Hi everyone. Any camera improvements over Mate 20 Pro?
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Hi. To be honest, camera improvements over Mate 20 Pro is minimal. I own this phone right now as well as Pixel 3 XL. Previously had Mate 20 Pro for 4 month. I expected much better and more consistent shots compared to Mate 20 Pro. But it is not the case here unfortunately. Hit and miss is still the proper description of camera experience. Sure the phone is able to produce really nice photos but heaps of crappy ones popping up too (over-, underexposed, overcontrasted, out of focus...). I wish that P30 would be better than Pixel 3 XL in camera department at least and I'd finally ditch the last one.
At the same time I'd recommend P30 (non-Pro) over Mate 20 Pro due to slightly better (warm) camera tone to my test, more comfortable size, much better fingerprint scanner, flat (!) screen, better speakers (even not stereo ones), headphone jack. Wireless charging can be added for extra $50 via quite nice official Huawei wireless charging case.

P30 Lite cam test

Selfie cam quality seems a bit iffy, says 32MP but more often than not I get a worse quality image than my 8MP selfie cam on the S9 gave, similarity the 40MP setting for the rear cam I can see no difference between 10MP and 40MP, I took a photo across the room of a label on a box, zoomed in on 10MP and 40MP and they were both exactly the same as each other in terms of quality and readability, only difference I see is you lose some options with 40MP such as zoom
Focus seems fairly bad too, it borders my face to say it knows my face is there but when I check the photo it has actually focussed on something behind me or my top or something other than my face, which is slightly OOF compared
In bright sunlight the 10MP rear cam takes great pics, low light is clever but not great quality, seems like Huawei spent too much of their time adding features and gimmicks than actually making sure everything basic worked properly first

That yellowish tint is horrible. When the light is a little bit worse it appears... What is intresting - on ultra wide mode it looks much more normally, no yellow tint, colors look more realistic. My HTC 10 from 2016 do much more realistic shots and the quality is much more stable on its camera. Have you the same look on your cameras?
And imo photos are very unstable, sometimes great, sometimes sucks, low sharpness, yellow tint, candy colors, dont like it. On selfie cam at least it looks very good for me.

I don't know what's wrong with your camera. I have a HTC U11 with GCam installed, (was my previous phone) and i like to compare very often the camera side by side and for daytime they look pretty similar, sometimes i prefer the P30, sometimes U11, but on low light, there's no contest, the P30 is way ahead, as it should be. And for the consistency, we have to accept that the lack of OIS means we have to be a little more careful when we take pictures.

Hey, thanks for answer. Dont know how about u11, but i found in my HTC 10 more softness image, in p30 looks a litttle bit grainy when you zoom photo you made. Have u seen that too? Yeah, in good light the same opinion : one time htc, one time p30. But when im in the building, room etc. p30 begins to give yellow shade. Maybe ill upload some shots later to compare.
In low light sometimes shots loks unreal lighty, but sometimes camera makes perfect job

I uploaded some shots :
First are the night shots : one the most realistic regulated manualy, one in auto, one in night mode - auto and night mode looks so unreal, dont like it.
Next in room : one in auto, one on ultra wide mode which gives much more realistic colors, on auto that yellowish tint.
And shots from work one on auto which gives yellow tints, and one on 3x tele which looks much more realistic (the tiles color) than auto.
Huawei made alot of intrested things, but they didnt paid enough attention and work on main camera in my opinion.
https://ibb.co/QJ2K294 - auto, turned light down manually
https://ibb.co/xYfS0hX - night mode (wtf?)
https://ibb.co/kMmw9WP - auto (wtf?)
https://ibb.co/fGWk39t - auto (wtf?)
https://ibb.co/xXTM5GX - zoom x3
https://ibb.co/pjnXSpN - auto (wtf?)
https://ibb.co/5hVx4k1 - wide-angle

This camera seems to take better shots in monochrome than colour
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Hello. Can anybody compare P20 PRO with P30 (not pro) in camera quality? I have had P20 Pro for a moment but "hit and miss" camera quality, especially for fast moving objects (children) forced me to sell it. Now I am thinking about P30 (not pro), but if it doesn't have OIS can I expect real any improvement in camera quality?

OIS or not you won't find much if any difference with either of those, they take too much time to process the photo once u press the shutter hence the hit or miss

This is odd. My three years old HTC U11 have IMHO better photo recurrence as P20 PRO (more hits nor miss). Also less images were blurred with U11 like with P20 PRO.

nedalnib said:
Hello. Can anybody compare P20 PRO with P30 (not pro) in camera quality? I have had P20 Pro for a moment but "hit and miss" camera quality, especially for fast moving objects (children) forced me to sell it. Now I am thinking about P30 (not pro), but if it doesn't have OIS can I expect real any improvement in camera quality?
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Not so big difference in cameras !
OIS and EIS both both work together for better image processing!
P30 screen size is perfect for me !
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Like most of you I had much bigger expectation from P30 camera, but I am totally disappointed specially when found out cannot shoot in RAW, now I wish I went with my initial guts feeling and purchased the LG

hyewiz said:
Like most of you I had much bigger expectation from P30 camera, but I am totally disappointed specially when found out cannot shoot in RAW, now I wish I went with my initial guts feeling and purchased the LG
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witch LG?

hyewiz said:
Like most of you I had much bigger expectation from P30 camera, but I am totally disappointed specially when found out cannot shoot in RAW, now I wish I went with my initial guts feeling and purchased the LG
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You can shoot RAW photos in PRO Mode only!
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Photo quality

Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Huawei P30 Pro come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

Here are quite a few sample photos that I have taken today with the P30 Pro. The camera is absolutely amazing.
Normal Mode (Auto):
Wide-Angle Lens
10x Zoom
Supermacro Mode:
Monochrome

Mine
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it looks to me that there is a difference in colour when i shoot in 1x vs. 2x/3x/4x/5x (probably due to different f-stops of the cameras?)

I a having thr device since 1 week now and seeing the problems that should be addressed asap.
Photo quality is only good in verry low light.
Daylight ok.
Dusk is the lighting which it struggles.
I have compared this to a op6t and op6t is a lot better
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This is my first post and Icannot link external images, so you will need to add https in front of the links
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(i think with night mode)
The midtones are nowhere to be found, and the pink artifacts on the watter are awfull
This is from op6t received image via facebook (i think with night mode)
//ibb.co/y8BN3BM

ovidiubuligan said:
I a having thr device since 1 week now and seeing the problems that should be addressed asap.
Photo quality is only good in verry low light.
Daylight ok.
Dusk is the lighting which it struggles.
I have compared this to a op6t and op6t is a lot better
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This is my first post and Icannot link external images, so you will need to add https in front of the links
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(i think with night mode)
The midtones are nowhere to be found, and the pink artifacts on the watter are awfull
This is from op6t received image via facebook (i think with night mode)
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Try using PRO mode first.
Also try other settings. Try night mode off as well. you really need to take the same photo with all these settings to compare.
Auto is not always the best (im a photographer and often have to go to PRO mode to NOT get a bad photo in challenging light scenarios)

here a couple form a gig i went to was quit fare back using the old firmware not the new one 124

Zoom Samples | From wideangle 0.6x to 50x digital zoom.
I made two videos to see performance in zooming. First one is made out of 12 photos of different zoom levels ( 0.6x, 1x, 2x, 3x, 4x, 5x, 7.5x, 10x, 20x, 30x, 40x, 50x) and it is made to looks fluently zooming. Second one video is for those, who want to see differences in zooming with P30 Pro and P20 Pro.
Zooming samples made into fluent video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi__GgLPWD4
P30 Pro vs P20 Pro zooming comparison
https://youtu.be/6AIQE4wkT48

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I made two videos to see performance in zooming. First one is made out of 12 photos of different zoom levels ( 0.6x, 1x, 2x, 3x, 4x, 5x, 7.5x, 10x, 20x, 30x, 40x, 50x) and it is made to looks fluently zooming. Second one video is for those, who want to see differences in zooming with P30 Pro and P20 Pro.
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P30 Pro vs P20 Pro zooming comparison
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This is one of the best photo comparison on YT. Thx a lot bro i hooe you weill make with P30 Pro vs S10+ and P30 Pro Vs Mate 20 Pro.
And very weird thing, P30 Pro is bad at x3 and 4x zoom and P20 Pro is much more better. Why? Will this be fixed in future updates?
I know the P20 Pro have optical zoom up to x3 zoom but P30 Pro have uo to 5x. :/

Bugs on v124 with p30 Pro vlog09:
- When in Pro mode, you have to tap for exposure before the Wide/1x/5x zoom on screen toggle appears.
- Wide in Pro mode has extremely aggressive noise reduction and over sharpening which makes the photos look rubbish. Compare to Wide in Photo mode which are less like a watercolour image. Wide in Photo mode is excellent.
- Photo mode doesn't let you change to Wide/1x/5x when the main camera resolution is 40mp instead of 10mp which is silly. It should let you change anytime. However, you can work around this by changing to Wide in Pro then back to Photo, and it will stay Wide. It will keep it at 20mp for wide too. This trick doesn't work for 5x zoom unfortunately.
Not bugs but observations:
The raw files for the 40mp main sensor have tremendous latitude and dynamic range. You can pull back highlights like nothing else. I'm used to shooting on full frame cameras (5d, 5dmk2, 6d) and m43 for context, and this has me impressed. There's not much noise, and the noise I see is quite pleasant, like a Samsung isocell sensor where it is a nice texture rather than distracting.
However the white balance is completely screwed on the 40mp raws. The balance is different from the centre to the edges so near impossible to get right in Lightroom. There's some weird green tint going on with shadows, and it's very difficult to get a warm yellow hue to an image (think: golden dusk sunlight reflecting off an old white painted villa) without it turning either sickly green or magenta.
And if you do get the white balance how you like it, too bad, the edges will now be green or magenta because of the aforementioned colour shift between centre and edges.
Note, the jpgs are fine, so Huawei are doing some serious processing to fix that up. Also saying that so you don't think my p30 Pro is bung, if that was true, then the jpgs would also be out of whack but they're spot on.
It'd be nice if Adobe figured out a calibration/process profile that fixed this up.
The raw files for the wide sensor have a huge amount of vignetting. Easy to fix however. The raw files have much richer greens in particular than the jpgs. Sharpness is very good. This sensor is a bit noisier than the 40mp one, but still really impressive. No white or colour balance issues.
The raw files for the 5x sensor barely need adjusting. There's some pincushion to tweak and a bit of contrast to add but that's it. Sharpness is impressive. Again white balance is fine.
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50x zoom

Also 50x zoom

isko01 said:
And very weird thing, P30 Pro is bad at x3 and 4x zoom and P20 Pro is much more better. Why? Will this be fixed in future updates?
I know the P20 Pro have optical zoom up to x3 zoom but P30 Pro have uo to 5x. :/
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The primary camera is used for up to 2x zoom, and the tele-camera for 5x and longer. For intermediate zoom factors, the P30 Pro combines image data from both cameras.
https://www.dxomark.com/huawei-p30-pro-camera-review/

Arni99 said:
The primary camera is used for up to 2x zoom, and the tele-camera for 5x and longer. For intermediate zoom factors, the P30 Pro combines image data from both cameras.
https://www.dxomark.com/huawei-p30-pro-camera-review/
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That is good and bad thing. So if I want to make portrait mode x3 or x4 the photo will be bad quality

Can we see night mode on front camera in the future updates ? İ have both pixel 3 xl and p30 pro , i need to sell one of these , if i sell pixel 3 xl i am gonna miss night sight on front camera.

nikolaus_ said:
Can we see night mode on front camera in the future updates ? İ have both pixel 3 xl and p30 pro , i need to sell one of these , if i sell pixel 3 xl i am gonna miss night sight on front camera.
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Am using AI-OFF mode only due to the very naturally looking not artificially saturated greens, reds and blues.
AI-OFF is more Fuji/Canon like colorwise. More true to life compared to the popping photos AIs or Samsungs scene enhancer usually produce.
In reviews it seems that 99% of us have already been brainwashed/conditioned over the years thinking non-popping colors = bad photo.
The real world is not as colorful as it is being presented on photos all over the internet .

what is best mode for good pictures? 40mpix or 10mpix?

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Vihru said:
what is best mode for good pictures? 40mpix or 10mpix?
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If you switch to 40mpix you lose out on Huawei's AI processing which is way better than it was on the P20 Pro. I'm getting better photos leaving the setting on 10. I used to get fluorescent green grass all the time on the P20. They've come a long way in a very short time.

The Zoom is amazing!
Normal, 5X & 10X. This is hands down the best camera on a smartphone right now.

Selfie quality

You're beautiful and everyone knows it. That's why you take selfies. Rate this thread to express how the front-facing camera of the Huawei P40 Pro performs. A higher rating indicates that the front camera produces fantastic results consistently.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

Pics quality is satisfactory, really nice. On the other hand video in lowlight condition (or maybe indoor recordings, bulb) is horrible. It's like there's no focus at all, very very blurry videos. It's strange cos pics are still decent.

Selfie quality is quite nice, no comparison with the grotty selfies taken with the P20 Pro - except the subject my selfies usually show.
There's one feature lacking - a less extreme bokeh effect with pictures taken in portrait mode.
See:
Oh, nothing to see, I am too much of a freshman for XDA allowing me to use external links to pictures.
Just try for yourself: Switch to Portrait mode, front camera, select a bookeh effect (touch the effects button and choose whatever you like), take a picture with some background far away.
You'll notice you'll look like pasted into the picture, not natural, not really like part of the picture.
That's because each and every bokeh effect is overdone if using the effects, but not sufficient without.
Thus something intermediate would be a great addition, or even better: Some means for setting the effect's strength.

Klosterbruder said:
Selfie quality is quite nice, no comparison with the grotty selfies taken with the P20 Pro - except the subject my selfies usually show.
There's one feature lacking - a less extreme bokeh effect with pictures taken in portrait mode.
See:
Oh, nothing to see, I am too much of a freshman for XDA allowing me to use external links to pictures.
Just try for yourself: Switch to Portrait mode, front camera, select a bookeh effect (touch the effects button and choose whatever you like), take a picture with some background far away.
You'll notice you'll look like pasted into the picture, not natural, not really like part of the picture.
That's because each and every bokeh effect is overdone if using the effects, but not sufficient without.
Thus something intermediate would be a great addition, or even better: Some means for setting the effect's strength.
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I totally understand what you are saying. My P30 Pro and Mate 30 Pro used software to do the bokeh effect on the front cameras. Very similar results as the early P9 and P10 main cameras. Not very natural looking but has improved on the main camera over the years. My P40 Pro has not arrived yet but i am hopeful the dual front camera will improve this effect and make it more natural looking. I Still have my previous models so can compare and share the results once my new device has arrived.
Are you able to share any photos as examples?

Hoi Tom!
I skipped the P30, use P20 Pro and P40 Pro, so I don't know the selfie camera skills of the P30 series.
The difference between P20 Pro and P40 Pro is EXTREME, with the P40 Pro's selfies being that much better.
But as said - bokeh is overdone.
Here's two examples, need to use direct links because my post count is still below 10.
http://waagerecht.com/kram/P40selfie2_sm.jpg
http://waagerecht.com/kram/P40selfie1_sm.jpg
Problem is quite obvious, isn't it? Like standing in front of a photo wallpaper or photoshoped into the picture.

Klosterbruder said:
Hoi Tom!
I skipped the P30, use P20 Pro and P40 Pro, so I don't know the selfie camera skills of the P30 series.
The difference between P20 Pro and P40 Pro is EXTREME, with the P40 Pro's selfies being that much better.
But as said - bokeh is overdone.
Here's two examples, need to use direct links because my post count is still below 10.
http://waagerecht.com/kram/P40selfie2_sm.jpg
http://waagerecht.com/kram/P40selfie1_sm.jpg
Problem is quite obvious, isn't it? Like standing in front of a photo wallpaper or photoshoped into the picture.
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Hi Klosterbruder
Thank you for the examples. You are right, there is a massive difference. These look like great quality for a front camera. If this was three years ago i would expect those pictures to have been from the main camera but understand what you mean, bokeh is over done. What i found from my P30 Pro is that because it is software and not hardware on the front camera it picks the objects behind the individual to create layers. I found that when the background had multiple items in the background that were different distances away from the camera it had a more natural effect. As your examples show it looks like Huawei are still using software to create the bokeh effect, even with having the dual camera on the front. I would have expected to be able to control the dual camera bokeh similar to the P9 standard.
I will do some digging on the Huawei community UK page to see if this is the case. We are seeing that updates will be coming but it would be interesting to find out if they will be updating the front camera also to rectify this issue.

Rehoi, Tom!
I forgot to mention an important detail: The sample pictures were taken with an additional bokeh feature switched on. That's what's causing the overdone effect. There are several effects to choose from; and I chose the LEAST strong effect.
Pictures taken without those feature show a typical f/2.2 bokeh, very clean and nice - but in many cases not sufficient for a face really standing out.
That's why I wished there was something in between.
And as you already noticed: The frontcam picture are of a maincam quality, there's really NO comparison to the real weak front camera of my trusty P20 Pro.
It's cloudy at present and work is still overwhelming - maybe I can do some frontcam shots tomorrow for you to have a closer look at some more pleasing subjects.

Photo quality

Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Xiaomi Poco X3 NFC come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

Can some of the users post samples?

I don't have very many samples but here's a few. Coming from a cheap $140 Umidigi Power with a blurry mess of a camera and slow specs, this seems like an absolutely insane jump in quality for the $200 I paid for this phone. It's not a Pixel by any means, but on a good day under the right conditions I feel this could compete with a few flagships. Excellent for a midrange phone, at least.
Full Album
(Some of the photos take a moment to load in full resolution.)
Pet Subjects
Cat 1
Cat 2
Cat 3 (GCAM)
Dog (64MP)
GCAM vs Stock (& Macro)
Flower (Stock Camera)
Flower (GCAM)
Flower (Stock Macro Camera)
Regular vs 64 Megapixel
Detailed Plate (Regular)
Detailed Plate (64MP)
Miscellaneous
Semi Low-light Candles
Moving Fan Set to Medium Speed
Small Star Fairy Light
My Takeaway
The Good:
The main shooter is actually very, very nice. This will honestly get the job done in most situations imo. When something is bad, you'll notice it every time. But when something is good, you'll forget about it and it will fade into the background. This is the kind of camera you'll forget about when you're looking back at family photos and videos. :good:
It's reasonably fast with a quick shutter speed (see the photo of the moving fan). With GCAM vs Stock, I really haven't done enough testing to tell, but GCAM tends to have more natural colors and probably has better performance in a few low-lighting situations (?). However, the stock camera actually has a crazy amount of utility, options, and flexibility though with things like raw photos, exposure peaking, focus peaking, and a pro mode to where I honestly think I might prefer it over GCAM. Xiaomi did well with it.
The Bad:
The macro camera is pretty bad. You're much better off shooting with the main camera and then just cropping in if you really want macro shots. The macro's really just there for the spec sheet. I haven't tested the ultrawide much, but it seems good. Not as good as the main obviously, but certainly good enough for me to want to use it. As for regular photos vs 64MP photos, I honestly don't notice very much of a difference other than the resolution literally just being bigger numerically. It's as if they took the regular photos and just stretched them up to 64MP size. Don't get me wrong, they're still good photos, but the two look the same to me in terms of how much detail is actually captured when you zoom in to them.
Otherwise, I'm blown away by this phone. As a relentlessly frugal person, I feel like I cheated with this phone lol

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Can some of the users post samples?
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Here are some sample pictures uploaded in Google Photos
These are original size and resolution pictures, all no edits done.
* sample normal vs wide-angle (the church shots pair)
* sample macro (the ant)

I'm thinking of moving from note 10+, was wondering how mid range 64mpx are when cropping...thx guys...

Hey, where did you guys get the GCam port?

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Hey, where did you guys get the GCam port?
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Here ya go. :good:
Link to APKs
https://www.cyanogenmods.org/google-camera-poco-x3-nfc/
Thread Further Discussing GCAM
https://forum.xda-developers.com/xiaomi-poco-x3-nfc/themes/gcam-poco-x3-t4164397

What do you all think of autofocus? I switched from a Nokia 8 to this phone and the camera quality is great but the autofocus is pretty bad compared to my previous phone. Most of the times I have to take a second photo

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What do you all think of autofocus? I switched from a Nokia 8 to this phone and the camera quality is great but the autofocus is pretty bad compared to my previous phone. Most of the times I have to take a second photo
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I've tested the phone for a few days now and the autofocus is all kinds of strange. Sometimes on closeups it does a great job, and in distant photos it works well too. But when I need to take a closeup of a 3D print it usually fails pretty hard.
Wonder if that can be fixed a little but since I've upgraded from a Redmi 4X, I am happy about the camera anyway.
My opinion on the camera?
The main cam is great in most circumstances. The aforementioned autofocus is a bit weird but nothing you can't fight through. With decent lighting, it's gonna do an outstanding job for the price, but the details are a bit worse off. That's usually not that big a deal. The AI feature is a nice touch, I use it to fix up the sky later in the gallery app.
Haven't tested the ultrawide properly yet, but it's rather competent in the pictures I've had so far. Colors and detail are a bit worse than the main, of course, but that's a given.
The camera app is also chock-full of details and options, so I really like it.
Portrait pictures using the depth sensor are sweet. They have a convincing blur to my eyes, and while the files are huge (a portrait of my brother was around 41MB), you can always fix a bit of that. The selfie cam is also pretty competent, but struggles in less than ideal lighting. Don't even try using it in a dim room.
Night photos are great! They have less detail than the standard daylight pictures, but they are decently bright, highlights are brought back up again and I've gotten some pretty good results in the countryside at night, which is where I live.
The bad parts? The depth sensor and macro cam are only there for the spec sheet so Xiaomi can say it's a quad camera array. Technically it is, but the macro cam is disastrously bad. The 2MP sensor just can't get enough detail in. I've seen some great 5MP sensor, so it's a bit of a shame one isn't here, but what can you do, this is a 230 dollar phone.
This would have been a flawless camera array for the price weren't it for the macro. I'm personally very happy, it does the photos I need with aplomb, and 90% of them are great.
Personally I'm gonna give it an 8/10.

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Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Xiaomi Poco X3 NFC come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
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So for satisfied. Good at day and night mode is not much as I expected. I tried some Gcam and Arnova cam, NgCam, burial and other cams, but the stock cam did better compared to those. The problem is night mode doesn't seems good as expected. I dont want to compare with poco f1. I hope the update may change.

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test image using gcam normal mode

Autumn sunset, from Brazil

Between the Xiaomi Poco X3 NFC and the Xiaomi Poco X3 Pro which has the best final camera, the measurements show the Xiaomi Poco X3 NFC. But in the many times I have seen on the internet sometimes it looks like the Xiaomi Poco X3 NFC is good and other times the Xiaomi Poco X3 Pro. What is the truth after all?

PurpleDarko said:
Between the Xiaomi Poco X3 NFC and the Xiaomi Poco X3 Pro which has the best final camera, the measurements show the Xiaomi Poco X3 NFC. But in the many times I have seen on the internet sometimes it looks like the Xiaomi Poco X3 NFC is good and other times the Xiaomi Poco X3 Pro. What is the truth after all?
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If you're looking sensor-wise,
Poco X3 NFC:
- more details in and around the center of the image (64MP + better tuned sensor)
- bit less noise (better tuned sensor)
Poco X3 Pro:
- better light sensitivity aka more light in photos (larger aperture)
- a bit better dynamic range (larger aperture)
- more details in corner of the photo (better optics)
Photo-wise, it's similar If you are using same Google Camera on both devices which means that there is no differentiation in photo processing.
Here is the example of center & corner details which I mentioned. This is the Poco X3 NFC vs Poco X3 Pro comparison using the same BSG Google Camera with SlibP lib on both phones. Poco X3 NFC on the left, Poco X3 Pro on the right.
Photo comparison (thanks to some user on 4pda). Also using the same BSG Gcam with SlibP.
1st photo:
POCO X3 NFC:
PXL_20210405_121546600.jpg
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POCO X3 Pro:
PXL_20210405_121407584.jpg
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2nd photo:
POCO X3 NFC:
PXL_20210405_131520500.jpg
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POCO X3 Pro:
PXL_20210405_131402642.jpg
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3rd photo:
POCO X3 NFC:
PXL_20210405_115314720.jpg
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POCO X3 Pro:
PXL_20210405_115506443.jpg
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Conclusion: Both sensors are great, it just depends on what you prefer more. More details or better dynamic range/night photos. Poco X3 Pro is in my opinion better all around as it still offers enough amount of details but with better quality optics which really matters, especially at night as Poco X3 NFC is terrible with lens flare effect.