Well, the device will only get up to Android 12.
9to5Google: Opinion: Samsung can’t justify $1,400 prices when major OS updates are limited to 2 years.
https://9to5google.com/2020/03/04/samsung-os-updates-problem/
By buying an Android device, you must already expect shorter software support, the longest support I know is up to 3 years (Pixels and OnePlus). 2 years with 2 major OS upgrade is already lucky, others in the mid and low range tier is usually 1 year and is super lucky enough if they get one major OS upgrade.
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Well, the device will only get up to Android 12.
9to5Google: Opinion: Samsung can’t justify $1,400 prices when major OS updates are limited to 2 years.
https://9to5google.com/2020/03/04/samsung-os-updates-problem/
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Then don't buy it. Two years of OS feature updates and three (total) of security updates isn't terrible. That's less than $40 a month, or what many pay for coffee or video games a month. If phones are your hobby or your job, it's not that expensive compared to what others spend on their hobbies.
9to5 Google only recommend Pixel phones and some of them use iPhone full time, so I don't take this very seriously.
As far as Android 12 goes, yeah, another year of update would have been great but I never keep phones for a full year and most people upgrade either yearly or every 2 years... However, for a $1400 ultra phone users should get more than we get on other phones.
This phone is the beast everyone has been asking for for years. It should be expensive. 2 major updates for a phone is average if not above unless you have an iphone. I've had the ultra for 2 days and fully expected to return it and keep my p4xl but I think I'm hooked. It is awesome. The buds came today and they are great. I won't even try to describe them - need to try for yourself. It isn't for everyone but it is some good stuff.
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9to5 Google only recommend Pixel phones and some of them use iPhone full time, so I don't take this very seriously.
As far as Android 12 goes, yeah, another year of update would have been great but I never keep phones for a full year and most people upgrade either yearly or every 2 years... However, for a $1400 ultra phone users should get more than we get on other phones.
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They used to update more than just 2 Android versions, 11 is almost out and 12 will be coming qiickly after that. 9to5 is not the only source, it was an official Samsung announcement and many news sites are taking about it,
https://www.androidcentral.com/samsungs-2020-flagships-will-only-get-major-updates-till-android-12
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Then don't buy it. Two years of OS feature updates and three (total) of security updates isn't terrible. That's less than $40 a month, or what many pay for coffee or video games a month. If phones are your hobby or your job, it's not that expensive compared to what others spend on their hobbies.
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Ok, i didn't ask you what i should do.
It's pretty much planned obselesence at its finest, most companies do it as a business strategy to get more money. It's scummy, but it is what it is when you live in a capitalist society.
As for apple supporting up to 5 years, I doubt that's hard for them considering iOS 13 design looks the same as iOS 7, just icon changes, control center and notification center UI changes. If anything, their yearly updates are incremental at best.
Whereas if you compare Android in the past 6 years, it has come very with major changes every year.
1. If you're a techie buying an Ultra, you'll probably replace the phone before Android 13.
2. You know this before buying one. If updates are that important, you could buy a Pixel or iPhone.
3. Android updates aren't game changing anymore. Each year, updates become like bug fixes and battery tweaks than anything else. Until a major visual overhaul is done, there's little to gain.
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It's pretty much planned obselesence at its finest, most companies do it as a business strategy to get more money. It's scummy, but it is what it is when you live in a capitalist society.
As for apple supporting up to 5 years, I doubt that's hard for them considering iOS 13 design looks the same as iOS 7, just icon changes, control center and notification center UI changes. If anything, their yearly updates are incremental at best.
Whereas if you compare Android in the past 6 years, it has come very with major changes every year.
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Additionally, an OS update to a device that has neither the RAM or the storage to effectively run modern apps is pretty pointless unless you are a completely casual user anyway. You can limp along with basic apps on a 5-year-old iPhone, and there are plenty of people out there who that's good enough for them. A lot of families hand their old phones down through their kids and older relatives, which is pretty much the only reason Apple does this - it spreads out their user base to new people who buy services and hardware later. Remember, they make license money on even a new lightning cable.
FWIW to the OP, Samsung is still doing quarterly security updates on the Galaxy S7 as of this post, so you may not be getting a new OS update, but they are NOT abandoning their flagship devices.
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And I didn't ask you to pay a comment in the forums about things we all already know.
Guess we can assume that because this is an open forum we can both post whatever we want as long as it is within the rules, yeah?
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And I didn't ask you to pay a comment in the forums about things we all already know.
Guess we can assume that because this is an open forum we can both post whatever we want as long as it is within the rules, yeah?
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Nobody asked you to click in this post and read. This is new news for Samsung, so don't BS that you already knew....and this is the news section, m***n.
So instead of 3 versions of Android, as usual from Samsung, we are only getting 2 more upgrades from now on. International version sounds better for me right now.
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Nobody asked you to click in this post and read. This is new news for Samsung, so don't BS that you already knew....and this is the news section, m***n.
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How is 2 years updates plus an extra year of security update new news?
https://androidcommunity.com/samsun...r-update-policy-for-new-smartphones-20200305/
See, will not change? Nothing new.
From last year
https://www.sammobile.com/samsung/android-10-update
So try again.
As for clicking, no one forced you to read or respond to my post either, it goes both ways.
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So instead of 3 versions of Android, as usual from Samsung, we are only getting 2 more upgrades from now on. International version sounds better for me right now.
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It's always been 2 major version updates.
No, the usual is many more updats than 2, just like s7 released with Android 6, and got Android 9
News that Android 8 is not getting Android 10 is part of this same change that Samsung is making.
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No, the usual is many more updats than 2, just like s7 released with Android 6, and got Android 9
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Are you sure the S7 received Android 9 (Pie)? Because your picture only shows up to Android 8 (Oreo) and this questions if it will get 9 (https://www.gottabemobile.com/5-things-to-know-about-the-galaxy-s7-android-pie-update/amp/)
He (intentionally?) confused the Android version with Samsung Experience version...
The S7 never made it beyond Android 8 and won't receive any further OS upgrade.
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Well, the device will only get up to Android 12.
9to5Google: Opinion: Samsung can’t justify $1,400 prices when major OS updates are limited to 2 years.
https://9to5google.com/2020/03/04/samsung-os-updates-problem/
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Do you keep a phone got more than two years or so you upgrade? I'd say about 90% of people upgrade, certainly the ones on XDA
who keeps their flagship for more than 2 years?!
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The announcement that Nexus One users won’t be getting upgraded to Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich led some to justifiably question Google’s support of their devices. I look at it a little differently: Nexus One owners are lucky. I’ve been researching the history of OS updates on Android phones and Nexus One users have fared much, much better than most Android buyers.
I went back and found every Android phone shipped in the United States 1 up through the middle of last year. I then tracked down every update that was released for each device - be it a major OS upgrade or a minor support patch - as well as prices and release & discontinuation dates. I compared these dates & versions to the currently shipping version of Android at the time. The resulting picture isn’t pretty - well, not for Android users:
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Other than the original G1 and MyTouch, virtually all of the millions of phones represented by this chart are still under contract today. If you thought that entitled you to some support, think again:
7 of the 18 Android phones never ran a current version of the OS. 12 of 18 only ran a current version of the OS for a matter of weeks or less. 10 of 18 were at least two major versions behind well within their two year contract period. 11 of 18 stopped getting any support updates less than a year after release. 13 of 18 stopped getting any support updates before they even stopped selling the device or very shortly thereafter. 15 of 18 don’t run Gingerbread, which shipped in December 2010. In a few weeks, when Ice Cream Sandwich comes out, every device on here will be another major version behind. At least 16 of 18 will almost certainly never get Ice Cream Sandwich.
Also worth noting that each bar in the chart starts from the first day of release - so it only gets worse for people who bought their phone late in its sales period.
Why Is This So Bad? This may be stating the obvious but there are at least three major reasons.
Consumers Get Screwed Ever since the iPhone turned every smartphone into a blank slate, the value of a phone is largely derived from the software it can run and how well the phone can run it. When you’re making a 2 year commitment to a device, it’d be nice to have some way to tell if the software was going to be remotely current in a year or, heck, even a month. Turns out that’s nearly impossible - here are two examples:
The Samsung Behold II on T-Mobile was the most expensive Android phone ever and Samsung promoted that it would get a major update to Eclair at least. But at launch the phone was already two major versions behind — and then Samsung decided not to do the update after all, and it fell three major OS versions behind. Every one ever sold is still under contract today.
The Motorola Devour on Verizon launched with a Megan Fox Super Bowl ad, while reviews said it was “built to last and it delivers on features.” As it turned out, the Devour shipped with an OS that was already outdated. Before the next Super Bowl came around, it was three major versions behind. Every one ever sold is still under contract until sometime next year.
Developers Are Constrained Besides the obvious platform fragmentation problems, consider this comparison: iOS developers, like Instapaper’s Marco Arment, waited patiently until just this month to raise their apps’ minimum requirement to the 11 month old iOS 4.2.1. They can do so knowing that it’s been well over 3 years since anyone bought an iPhone that couldn’t run that OS. If developers apply that same standard to Android, it will be at least 2015 before they can start requiring 2010’s Gingerbread OS. That’s because every US carrier is still selling - even just now introducing 2 - smartphones that will almost certainly never run Gingerbread and beyond. Further, those are phones still selling for actual upfront money - I’m not even counting the generally even more outdated & presumably much more popular free phones.
It seems this is one area the Android/Windows comparison holds up: most app developers will end up targeting an ancient version of the OS in order to maximize market reach.
Security Risks Loom In the chart, the dashed line in the middle of each bar indicates how long that phone was getting any kind of support updates - not just major OS upgrades. The significant majority of models have received very limited support after sales were discontinued. If a security or privacy problem popped up in old versions of Android or its associated apps (i.e. the browser), it’s hard to imagine that all of these no-longer-supported phones would be updated. This is only less likely as the number of phones that manufacturers would have to go back and deal with increases: Motorola, Samsung, and HTC all have at least 20 models each in the field already, each with a range of carriers that seemingly have to be dealt with individually.
Why Don’t Android Phones Get Updated? That’s a very good question. Obviously a big part of the problem is that Android has to go from Google to the phone manufacturers to the carriers to the devices, whereas iOS just goes from Apple directly to devices. The hacker community (e.g. CyanogenMod, et cetera) has frequently managed to get these phones to run the newer operating systems, so it isn’t a hardware issue.
It appears to be a widely held viewpoint 3 that there’s no incentive for smartphone manufacturers to update the OS: because manufacturers don’t make any money after the hardware sale, they want you to buy another phone as soon as possible. If that’s really the case, the phone manufacturers are spectacularly dumb: ignoring the 2 year contract cycle & abandoning your users isn’t going to engender much loyalty when they do buy a new phone. Further, it’s been fairly well established that Apple also really only makes money from hardware sales, and yet their long term update support is excellent (see chart).
In other words, Apple’s way of getting you to buy a new phone is to make you really happy with your current one, whereas apparently Android phone makers think they can get you to buy a new phone by making you really unhappy with your current one. Then again, all of this may be ascribing motives and intent where none exist - it’s entirely possible that
th your current one. Then again, all of this may be ascribing motives and intent where none exist - it’s entirely possible that the root cause of the problem is just flat-out bad management (and/or the aforementioned spectacular dumbness).
A Price Observation All of the even slightly cheaper phones are much worse than the iPhone when it comes to OS support, but it’s interesting to note that most of the phones on this list were actually not cheaper than the iPhone when they were released. Unlike the iPhone however, the “full-priced” phones are frequently discounted in subsequent months. So the “low cost” phones that fueled Android’s generally accepted price advantage in this period were basically either (a) cheaper from the outset, and ergo likely outdated & terribly supported or (b) purchased later in the phone’s lifecycle, and ergo likely outdated & terribly supported.
Also, at any price point you’d better love your rebates. If you’re financially constrained enough to be driven by upfront price, you can’t be that excited about plunking down another $100 cash and waiting weeks or more to get it back. And sometimes all you’re getting back is a “$100 Promotion Card” for your chosen provider. Needless to say, the iPhone has never had a rebate.
Along similar lines, a very small but perhaps telling point: the price of every single Android phone I looked at ended with 99 cents - something Apple has never done (the iPhone is $199, not $199.99). It’s almost like a warning sign: you’re buying a platform that will nickel-and-dime you with ads and undeletable bloatware, and it starts with those 99 cents. And that damn rebate form they’re hoping you don’t send in.
Notes on the chart and data Why stop at June 2010? I’m not going to. I do think that having 15 months or so of history gives a good perspective on how a phone has been treated, but it’s also just a labor issue - it takes a while to dredge through the various sites to determine the history of each device. I plan to continue on and might also try to publish the underlying table with references. I also acknowledge that it’s possible I’ve missed something along the way.
Android Release Dates For the major Android version release dates, I used the date at which it was actually available on a normal phone you could get via normal means. I did not use the earlier SDK release date, nor the date at which ROMs, hacks, source, et cetera were available.
Outside the US Finally, it’s worth noting that people outside the US have often had it even worse. For example, the Nexus One didn’t go on sale in Europe until 5 months after the US, the Droid/Milestone FroYo update happened over 7 months later there, and the Cliq never got updated at all outside of the US.
Im not a fanboy i despise apple and the ios just thought this waz intersting because its true devices are not supported nearly enough
Agreed. And a good read too, even thought there was not much new info here I didnt know except some of your stats.. but what is the point here? Are you trying to accomplish something? or convince people to buy iPhones or Nexus phones? or rally us to join together and demand updates from carriers? Or just a general discussion so we can get some frustration out or..?
Fits right in the ATRIX forum, right?
No someone posted that link on motos facebook just figured id share. Ill always be an android user even if they never update devices. Just thought was an intersting article. I ignored the iphone parts but i guess updates is a bigger problem then i realized and hope the manufacturers abd google stop this and start supporting devices longer.
Mabye all android users need too start complaining too google and the manufacturers about this because . All over xda and other forums people are not happy about updates. Is a hot . . topic would be nice to not need a device every couple months to stay on a current os. And now with the dual core phone that are supposed too be futre proff. Lol yeah right even when quad cores are out the manufactures will continue this trend drop support on current devices so people have too buy a new one too enjoy new android flavors. But i really hope something changes that
All I gotta say is that we are well within our 18 months of support. Motorola needs to read that memo...
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apple has one software iteration per year, while android has gone through 3 in the last 1.5 years.
The question is does this really matter when these same devices (or at least most of them) still run the most current is through the help of CM?
Why would the manufacturer waste their resources when users can run a cm copy already?
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The question is does this really matter when these same devices (or at least most of them) still run the most current is through the help of CM?
Why would the manufacturer waste their resources when users can run a cm copy already?
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Us CM users (actually, ROM users in general) are in the vast minority of Android users. A very vocal minority, but a minority nontheless. So it hurts the manufacture's bottom line when these updates dont happen.
I have 3 friends that own an LG Ally. A mid range phone. And all 3 don't give a damn which android version they're on. They all got it for free with a 2 year contract. I feel they got ripped off. But again they don't care and I wish I had their attitude. :/
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apple has one software iteration per year, while android has gone through 3 in the last 1.5 years.
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That's why people on Engadget are bragging that they can put IOS5 on their 3GS phones. Heck even Nokia is getting Anna and Belle within a couple of months on a completely dead OS.
Make it happen Motorola, (even if it's 2012) or many will be going to Samsung...
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Agreed my point in posting this is the manufactures need too suport us longer its ridicilous ifour hardware now can run new android flavors ajd it doesnt happen because there too greedy and want us too buy new devices constantly. I should have erased all the ios partsbelieve me all ios is just a pretty app launcher . Pretty much adw or launcher pro sums up the functionaloty of ios. And i wouldnt ever leave android even if i was offered an iphone 5 free
This is a dual core phone yes theres several on the market but its not yet even the standard most people are still runing single core androids so too me if we dont see an official ics ota pretty darn ridicilous
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The question is does this really matter when these same devices (or at least most of them) still run the most current is through the help of CM?
Why would the manufacturer waste their resources when users can run a cm copy already?
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Because they can't plan around warranty voiding 3rd party modifications. Not to mention Joe Blow wont open advanced settings, let alone flash a ROM. Ever do tech support? People are stupid.
Which sums up the thread. Yes we are being gauged on these phones, and it works.... because people as a whole don't know or care.
Want to spread the word on that graph? Dumb it down, add a cat or two, put it in a black caption box with some generic 'meme' text and post it on Failbook.
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Haha thank u i agree with u and thats hilarious because its true dumb it down and put it on fail book haha.
I think it has to due more with the fact that every 6 months there is a new hardware sequel to your phone.
Apple has less phone models in 5 years then Samsung, Motorola, HTC, etc. have in a single year.They are all focused on this hardware cold-war at the expense of software.
Our phones may only be 6-12 months old for us, but to the manufacturer, they are already 3 generations back...
What happened to this?
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So I've been thinking. Maybe I'm being optimistic, but I think the wait for the update won't be nearly as long as years past.... The reasoning behind my theory is the fact that Samsung didn't fragment the devices this time around. We always seen the Exynos (international versions) get the update within a month of release. And then snap dragons always took 4-5 months probably because of the out of house support and the carriers slowing down the process.. I'm thinking a month or two tops. Thoughts?
on verizon so I will be lucky to even get an update before I move on to a new phone
AT&T. I'm hoping around next decade. I'm being a little too optimistic, but one can hope.
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Considering what Lollipop did to my Note 4 I won't be updating reguardless. Everything works just fine as it is.
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Considering what Lollipop did to my Note 4 I won't be updating reguardless. Everything works just fine as it is.
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Lollipop was one of the largest updates in Android history with a crap ton of new code and ui. Marshmallow while adding some new api's and features is primarily a bug fix and performance update.
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Whatever it is, this is one of the major drawbacks of Android as a platform.
I'm not sure we can just point the finger at one company in particular.
It's just the way Android is, with Google, OEM's, carriers.
They need to simplify this update process. It's a huge advantage iOS has over Android.
Somehow, someway Google, Samsung and others need to expedite the update process so customers can update just as quickly as their iPhone counterparts.
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Whatever it is, this is one of the major drawbacks of Android as a platform.
I'm not sure we can just point the finger at one company in particular.
It's just the way Android is, with Google, OEM's, carriers.
They need to simplify this update process. It's a huge advantage iOS has over Android.
Somehow, someway Google, Samsung and others need to expedite the update process so customers can update just as quickly as their iPhone counterparts.
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As much as I'd like to see it, Google would be killing the USP of their Nexus line.
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As much as I'd like to see it, Google would be killing the USP of their Nexus line.
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I disagree with this as their Nexus line would still have unlock able bootloaders, stock pure android not skinned and highly mod-able. So there would still very the same market for the Nexus line.
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Google should start giving the OEMs the beta builds a few months before they announce them. So that they can do their testing and have it sorta coincide with the nexus release even if they follow a few weeks later. But the months are ridiculous
I feel like they need to cut the carriers out of this process. Apple doesn't include them, so why should Google/Samsung/Any other OEM?
One of the things people will say is without the carriers android phones won't sell but I disagree.
These carriers don't want Apple to have all the power, Apple already made a major play against carriers by releasing their own Apple Upgrade Program. Which will definitely be very popular and reduce people using carrier financing plans.
So while I think at first the carriers might play hardball to get their wishes, in the end, Google and Android OEM's will come out victorious.
Even if this happened, there is still an extra step in the process with Android because Google would first have to update their OS and then pass it on to each OEM so that they can update their own respective interface and UI elements (TouchWiz, HTC Sense, etc...)
That's still better than the current system: Google -> OEM -> Carrier -> Consumers
With these changes, it would make it: Google -> OEM -> Consumers
Which is still one more step than Apple's process: Apple -> Consumers
Google could help that by pushing it to the OEM's more quickly or including them early on in the update process.
Something!
I switch phones often between iOS, Android, (even Windows Phone - Although this has stopped due to lack of hardware to play with).
Each platform has their pros and cons but getting updates quickly is one of the best things I love about iOS.
If this was fixed, I think it would level the playing field by a huge margin. Most other gripes would be software related and could be fixed easily through updates or hardware related which wouldn't be that big of an issue due to all the variety among Android OEM's.
Why does Apple get all that power? No one else? Not Windows Phone or Android? It's not fair and both Microsoft and Google need to step it up!
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Google should start giving the OEMs the beta builds a few months before they announce them. So that they can do their testing and have it sorta coincide with the nexus release even if they follow a few weeks later. But the months are ridiculous
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Exactly! You typed this as I was typing my long rant, lol.
Carriers are what ruin timely Android device updates. What excuse does AT&T have still having 5.0.1 for their S6? Seriously, I want to actually have a conversation with an AT&T software engineer and ask why their heads are up their asses?
The fact that the Galaxy S6, one of AT&T's flagship devices is still on 5.0.1 makes me wonder if we will see 6.0 on the Note 5 any time in the next couple of years.
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Carriers are what ruin timely Android device updates. What excuse does AT&T have still having 5.0.1 for their S6? Seriously, I want to actually have a conversation with an AT&T software engineer and ask why their heads are up their asses?
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Our happiness/satisfaction is not a priority for them.
They just want our money... Smh
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Our happiness/satisfaction is not a priority for them.
They just want our money... Smh
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If by "our happiness," you mean geeks like us who read tech sites, then you'd be absolutely correct. No company is ever going to care what we think because we're an abysmally small segment of the market. Of all the people who buy Android phones in the world, very few actually care about that version number that shows up in Settings | About Phone.
Further, we also tend to be among the cheapest people around. Whenever people start complaining about a phone being overpriced, those comments come from tech geeks more often than not.
Money talks and BS walks. If you want OEMs and carriers to take software updates more seriously, get non-techies to care. Good luck with that.
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AT&T. I'm hoping around next decade. I'm being a little too optimistic, but one can hope.
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Lol this killed me, this is my case and it's so true.
Earlier they said that Sammy are bout to give a major update to S6/edge/edge+ and Note 5! Maybe(I say now) it's marshmallow!
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If by "our happiness," you mean geeks like us who read tech sites, then you'd be absolutely correct. No company is ever going to care what we think because we're an abysmally small segment of the market. Of all the people who buy Android phones in the world, very few actually care about that version number that shows up in Settings | About Phone.
Further, we also tend to be among the cheapest people around. Whenever people start complaining about a phone being overpriced, those comments come from tech geeks more often than not.
Money talks and BS walks. If you want OEMs and carriers to take software updates more seriously, get non-techies to care. Good luck with that.
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I agree and disagree with some of the points you made...
I agree that our passion for technology and gadgets puts us in a niche category in comparison to the rest of Samsung/Apple/Any OEM's customer base as a whole.
When I said "our happiness" I meant consumers in general. I think everyone, whether they know or not, if shown facts and asked would say they want continued support for a product they spent money for. Whether it was $200 or $950.
There's really no indicator to say how many people understand software versions etc... Most I would assume and generally agree, like you said, don't know and don't care. I have been fortunate enough to travel, live and work abroad for many years in different parts of the world. One thing I noticed, is people all over the world are similar in some ways and different in others. Especially in regards to technology. However, it's a hard statistic to prove or show.
Not knowing something doesn't factor in my comment though.
Ignoring ignorance in it's simplest form, my point was if you know all the facts. Then you see how Apple is able to update their phones directly to their consumers without any carrier influence ,interference or delay. Then Google/Microsoft and other should be able to do the same.
I think when you hear compliments about Apple, it's not only physical about the hardware/software (which Android and OEM's compete pretty evenly now).
It's mainly about their customer service. That goes a long way with brand perception. That's why they have it and others don't. Their continued support for older models and current models is stellar!
You also say we (as in techies) "... tend to be the cheapest people around". I don't think so, I know, myself personally, I go through several premium phones a year. Money has never factored into it. I just want the best of the best. I know many techies who feel like me. I think T-Mobile created Jump-On-Demand for people like us. I would think the opposite would be true and a non-techie would care more about price rather than quality or specs.
Lastly, you say "If you want OEMs and carriers to take software updates more seriously, get non-techies to care. Good luck with that."
I think if OEM's want to compete with Apple they have to get non-techies to care about them. Not the opposite. I have no brand loyalty, I will use anything from any OEM, so long as their product and service is superior.
Just my two cents...
I hope android M is so good
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I have a feeling marshmallow might come sooner than previously (notice I didn't say soon) the fact that Google officially support finger print might mean that marshmallow note 5 maybe better and more accurate
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I have a feeling marshmallow might come sooner than previously (notice I didn't say soon) the fact that Google officially support finger print might mean that marshmallow note 5 maybe better and more accurate
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I hope so! That and a few adjustments here and there.
Really would make a great phone even better!
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Earlier they said that Sammy are bout to give a major update to S6/edge/edge+ and Note 5! Maybe(I say now) it's marshmallow!
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Source?
Many of us are eagerly awaiting the arrival of Oreo to our beloved Note 5 and it's on it's way. There is already an early beta build of it for the S6 based on a new branch of LOS15 I believe. It still has a few bugs but it's bootable a few things don't yet work but the basic's are there. It can only be a matter of time before a Note 5 dev picks it up and creates a build for us.
Have patience guys we should be enjoying a little Oreo goodness soon.
My source for this news is here - https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...nt/g92xx-android-o-samsung-galaxy-s6-t3663901
I just wish it wasn't Samsung based.
I read on samobile that the note 5 isn't getting Android 8.
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No word officially from Samsung yet but it is likely that Samobile is correct and we wont be getting an Oreo upgrade from Samsung. While that is very disappointing it's not the end of the road for the Note 5. I'm sure there will be rom's ported from devices that do get upgrades and source built rom's too. Samsung does not care about us but luckily for us XDA has teams of talented developers who do care. One way or other we will be enjoying Oreo goodness we just need to be patient till it happens.
For reference.
https://www.sammobile.com/samsung-galaxy-android-8-o-update
Note 5 already gone through two major OS update. so if not mistaken, we will miss the Oreo update. Our only hope is custom rom porting.
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Note 5 already gone through two major OS update. so if not mistaken, we will miss the Oreo update. Our only hope is custom rom porting.
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Which is either unlikely or very unstable given the state of AOSP development for our devices
Im so glad i didn't sell my Nexus 6P Just upgraded to Orem Fully rooted Goodbye Note 5 you wont be missed
izou1838 said:
Im so glad i didn't sell my Nexus 6P Just upgraded to Orem Fully rooted Goodbye Note 5 you wont be missed
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I got a full refund from Google for the early shutdown issue. Extremely happy with samsung oreo isn't a huge leap forward I can wait.
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I got a full refund from Google for the early shutdown issue. Extremely happy with samsung oreo isn't a huge leap forward I can wait.
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8.0 is a big deal (compared to prev updates) battery wise, Data and managing apps is much better.
My main thing is the battery which has almost doubled, specially on standby bringing new life to this old phone I didn't care for
Anyone else bothered that a barely 2 year old phone is getting ditched by Samsung? Are we going to just accept companies obsoleting phones after 2 years? I'm not one for ROMs and rooting really so I don't want to hear about how Oreo is coming in that sense to the Note 5. Samsung should put Oreo together and release it for the Note 5. And if they can't then I'm not buying Samsung anymore. I don't care if they don't care. Phones should have a minimum of 5 year support at least for security updates. No reason why the Note 5 can't handle Oreo.
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Anyone else bothered that a barely 2 year old phone is getting ditched by Samsung? Are we going to just accept companies obsoleting phones after 2 years? I'm not one for ROMs and rooting really so I don't want to hear about how Oreo is coming in that sense to the Note 5. Samsung should put Oreo together and release it for the Note 5. And if they can't then I'm not buying Samsung anymore. I don't care if they don't care. Phones should have a minimum of 5 year support at least for security updates. No reason why the Note 5 can't handle Oreo.
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I agree whole heartedly with what your saying there phones n tablets etc should get more than 2 years support before being abandoned. The Note 5 is more than capable of running Oreo without a problem. But sadly Samsung will never give it to us we will now only get security updates no further OS updates.
Samsung's short sighted view is if u want the latest android OS buy a new phone every 2 years to get it. Yes I know they are in the business to make money but seriously they need to understand that us regular customers can't afford to replace perfectly good devices every couple of years and their corporate customers are unlikely to do so either.
I read somewhere that Samsung wants to get more of the corporate and government contracts that Apple enjoys for themselves and become as rich as Apple.
But Apple not only has nice hardware and the security that corporations and governments want they also support their devices for 4-5 years and that is a big factor in that market as well as the consumer market.
Until the high up's in Samsung grasp that concept and treat all it's customers better they will never have as much success as Apple enjoys. They seem content with things as they are and not caring a damn how many customers they upset and cause to stop buying their products because for every customer who leaves them there are millions more to replace them. The concept of gaining more customers while keeping existing customers happy by treating them right seems to be an alien concept to Samsung. Their attitude is we WILL do whatever we want in the pursuit of profit and to hell with those who don't like it there are many more to replace you.
I too have decided that I am no longer prepared to be treated like this by Samsung and my Note 5 will be the last product of theirs i buy. The sad thing is they build great hardware but their attitude towards customers seriously sucks and their short sighted profit model is unlikely to change any time soon.
RemusW said:
I agree whole heartedly with what your saying there phones n tablets etc should get more than 2 years support before being abandoned... etc etc more fluff etc ...their short sighted profit model is unlikely to change any time soon.
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Funny you should pick on Samsung out of all of the Android manufacturers; nearly all of them support their devices for only two years, even Google. So before you start complaining about how profit-greedy a company is, just remember that the company that *owns* Android doesn't even care to offer support for older devices. Also laughable that Google should make fun of Apple for ditching the headphone jack and look what they're doing with the Pixel 2. Pick a manufacturer, any manufacturer. You're not going to get the support you're looking for unless you switch to Apple.
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Funny you should pick on Samsung out of all of the Android manufacturers; nearly all of them support their devices for only two years, even Google. So before you start complaining about how profit-greedy a company is, just remember that the company that *owns* Android doesn't even care to offer support for older devices. Also laughable that Google should make fun of Apple for ditching the headphone jack and look what they're doing with the Pixel 2. Pick a manufacturer, any manufacturer. You're not going to get the support you're looking for unless you switch to Apple.
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You are correct most manufacturers do the same things but Samsung has reached the position of being the largest supplier of android phones on the planet and from that position of strength they lead and influence all the smaller players bellow them. If Samsung began to change it's attitude towards customers and treated them better then many of the smaller players would follow.
As for Google they don't make hardware only software the phones bearing the Google name are made by other phone manufacturers and again it's those manufacturers who dictate and control how long a phone is supported. Now Google could use it's licencing muscle to make the manufacturers behave better towards their customers and give better support but I don't know why they don't.
Android is open source true but the Android logo and Android OS version logo's are not they are copyright of Google and if any manufacturer wants to sell a phone with android on it they must comply with licencing terms and conditions set by Google. Now some of those conditions could be that manufacturers must give better support and for longer or that they must make available to the development communities the information needed to carry on support when the manufacturer no longer wants to do so. They could release information on things like drivers needed to interface with the hardware or better compatibility with the SOC's. No one is asking for the source codes to their whiz bang UI skins many don't like them and we certainly don't need them.
Google could use their position to make things better for everyone but I really don't know why they don't.
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Funny you should pick on Samsung out of all of the Android manufacturers; nearly all of them support their devices for only two years, even Google. So before you start complaining about how profit-greedy a company is, just remember that the company that *owns* Android doesn't even care to offer support for older devices. Also laughable that Google should make fun of Apple for ditching the headphone jack and look what they're doing with the Pixel 2. Pick a manufacturer, any manufacturer. You're not going to get the support you're looking for unless you switch to Apple.
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I know you're not talking directly to me but the reason I chimed in on this thread is because I have a Samsung. I've also had LG too and they're in the same boat with not updating their phones. Also One Plus and Motorola. I call all of them out but particularly focused on Samsung since I own a Note 5. That's all.
Yeah it sucks..I own a note 8... Really it's not a big update. They made a great phone with the note 5.
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Yeah it sucks..I own a note 8... Really it's not a big update. They made a great phone with the note 5.
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Dang really? Note 8 looks awesome. You're saying I'm not missing much by having a 5 still?
It's a nice phone. But the camera isn't better.. The front camera is worse in my opinion. Good screen and the size isn't much different. Slimmer but taller. Speed wise they are the same. Note 5 is just as snappy and fluid as the note 8
"before a Note 5 dev picks it up and creates a build for us."
So no one?
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"before a Note 5 dev picks it up and creates a build for us."
So no one?
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No doubt there will be a build but it's no good if you're using the tap and pay option
?? Looks cool
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzGdGHHs0zdxdGZaR3FLcG92cTQ/view?usp=sharing
fingerprint sensor at back another disappointment... op can never get it right
http://geeksnipper.com/oneplus-5t-will-launched-november-20th/6752/
More real estate for screen so FP goes to the back. Trending way for most new phones.
Least this one will come with Oreo and hopefully they give it 2 OS update cycles, unlike the screwjob we got with the 3t
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Least this one will come with Oreo and hopefully they give it 2 OS update cycles, unlike the screwjob we got with the 3t
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Screwjob? The OnePlus 3T came with Android 6.0.1, was updated to Android 7.x, and now Android 8.0 is on beta channel.
6.0.1 -> 7.x -> 8.0
That makes two update cycles.
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Screwjob? The OnePlus 3T came with Android 6.0.1, was updated to Android 7.x, and now Android 8.0 is on beta channel.
6.0.1 -> 7.x -> 8.0
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Indeed, the 5t comes with 8.0 installed that was just released, and will get 9.x and 10. I feel the 3t should have came with 7.0, considering 6.0.1 had been out over a year already. So yes I feel like the 3t got a screwjob in that regard..
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fingerprint sensor at back another disappointment... op can never get it right
http://geeksnipper.com/oneplus-5t-will-launched-november-20th/6752/
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if this is real, i have to disagree!
before the OP3t i used a nexus 5x, and i quite like the back placement of the fingerprint scanner!
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Indeed, the 5t comes with 8.0 installed that was just released, and will get 9.x and 10. I feel the 3t should have came with 7.0, considering 6.0.1 had been out over a year already. So yes I feel like the 3t got a screwjob in that regard..
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You can feel anyway you like mate.
But facts are facts and it is what it is.
3T will receive the normal number of official updates and nothing to blame the company for.
After that we have this fantastic community to take care of us.
So, no real reason to complain, right?
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Hmmm, I'm becoming more of the opinion that my 3T is too big.
I miss having a smaller, 5" say phone.
Bigger screen/same footprint doesn't interest me at all.
There's really nothing on the market that grabs my attention and makes me want to buy it...
With the release of the Oneplus 5T incoming, I'm left questioning the longevity of my Oneplus 3T. You see, my issue is that just a few days back I got pushed around a shopping mall and my phone dropped face first from around chest height. The phone is now having 30% of its screen cracked from the bottom right. Thankfully all the functions still work but looking at the screen is still a pain. My only options are to pay about $120 to buy a replacement screen and have it shipped to my home country (in the middle east) and look for a shop that'll replace and hopefully not damage the device. My only other option is to get a oneplus 5T or use this phone as is until the oneplus 6 comes out and buy that. According to how I buy things, I like to keep my phone for atleast 2 years before I change to a new one, so far it has been only 11 months. So what would you, the community, recommend me to do now that we know that Oneplus will no longer be updating the 3T? Thank you for the advice
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You can feel anyway you like mate.
But facts are facts and it is what it is.
3T will receive the normal number of official updates and nothing to blame the company for.
After that we have this fantastic community to take care of us.
So, no real reason to complain, right?
Unleashed by ONEPLUS 3T rooted
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Indeed facts are facts and it is what it is. Yes it is OnePlus fault it shipped with 6.0.1, I didn't make that decision.
endursa said:
if this is real, i have to disagree!
before the OP3t i used a nexus 5x, and i quite like the back placement of the fingerprint scanner!
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Same opinion:good:
But I see no reason to buy the 5T. I'm very happy with my 3T and there will be soon the Oneplus 6
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With the release of the Oneplus 5T incoming, I'm left questioning the longevity of my Oneplus 3T. You see, my issue is that just a few days back I got pushed around a shopping mall and my phone dropped face first from around chest height. The phone is now having 30% of its screen cracked from the bottom right. Thankfully all the functions still work but looking at the screen is still a pain. My only options are to pay about $120 to buy a replacement screen and have it shipped to my home country (in the middle east) and look for a shop that'll replace and hopefully not damage the device. My only other option is to get a oneplus 5T or use this phone as is until the oneplus 6 comes out and buy that. According to how I buy things, I like to keep my phone for atleast 2 years before I change to a new one, so far it has been only 11 months. So what would you, the community, recommend me to do now that we know that Oneplus will no longer be updating the 3T? Thank you for the advice
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I switched to Sultan XDA lineage OS. currently running 10/22/17 build with flashed 4.5.1 modem. In the USA on Mint, this is a rock solid ROM which fixed my GPS issues and has VOLTE. wifi calling is disabled. I am not going back to OOS (4.5.0 was the last version on my 3T A3000). Maybe this information will help you make a decision.
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Indeed, the 5t comes with 8.0 installed that was just released, and will get 9.x and 10. I feel the 3t should have came with 7.0, considering 6.0.1 had been out over a year already. So yes I feel like the 3t got a screwjob in that regard..
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Yeah. 8.0 means that we got a year of OS support. It shoulder been more.
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You can feel anyway you like mate.
But facts are facts and it is what it is.
3T will receive the normal number of official updates and nothing to blame the company for.
After that we have this fantastic community to take care of us.
So, no real reason to complain, right?
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The way you're thinking is the exact reason why controlled obsolescence is so successful. If OP5T comes with Android 7.1.1/7.1.2 out of box that will be the similar case of what happened with OP3T. Apple supports their OS for 4-5 years, while Android devices "die" in 2 years or less than that. No matter how okay you are with that, doesn't justify the act at all.
It is sad that people actually buy these justifications and make peace with it. These devices are so powerful that software updates can make it running for 5 years easy. "Easy". But they don't. Either Snapdragon will pull out support or OEM will. At the end of the day they want the money, and we the sheep always fall for "flashy unnecessary stuff that doesn't even matter".
devlamania said:
The way you're thinking is the exact reason why controlled obsolescence is so successful. If OP5T comes with Android 7.1.1/7.1.2 out of box that will be the similar case of what happened with OP3T. Apple supports their OS for 4-5 years, while Android devices "die" in 2 years or less than that. No matter how okay you are with that, doesn't justify the act at all.
It is sad that people actually buy these justifications and make peace with it. These devices are so powerful that software updates can make it running for 5 years easy. "Easy". But they don't. Either Snapdragon will pull out support or OEM will. At the end of the day they want the money, and we the sheep always fall for "flashy unnecessary stuff that doesn't even matter".
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Buddy go buy an Iphone then.
Android provides these updates for this specific period.
Simple as that.
No reason to argue more, if you don't agree with that.
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Buddy go buy an Iphone then.
Android provides these updates for this specific period.
Simple as that.
No reason to argue more, if you don't agree with that.
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What could be the reason behind that ?
devlamania said:
The way you're thinking is the exact reason why controlled obsolescence is so successful. If OP5T comes with Android 7.1.1/7.1.2 out of box that will be the similar case of what happened with OP3T. Apple supports their OS for 4-5 years, while Android devices "die" in 2 years or less than that. No matter how okay you are with that, doesn't justify the act at all.
It is sad that people actually buy these justifications and make peace with it. These devices are so powerful that software updates can make it running for 5 years easy. "Easy". But they don't. Either Snapdragon will pull out support or OEM will. At the end of the day they want the money, and we the sheep always fall for "flashy unnecessary stuff that doesn't even matter".
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It's sad when you're supporting Apple for having Software Support for their devices >5 Years old, but call Android users "sheep", when you have fanboys supporting Apple for new phones that are similar in design and internal specs [Except the IP8/8+/X], but mark my words, the next few iPhones will be a repeat in all what we like about the recent Apple phones.
As per my knowledge of the definition of Sheep: People who fall in line for repeated and fake ideas without having any reason as to why they're following.
And in all my time of using Android devices, any flagship line of devices have never been repeated in specs and design, unlike *cough* iPhone *cough*. An example : iPhone SE
Sure, OEM's may not support Android devices for long, but for a flagship device, there will always be Custom ROM's. Hell, even my Galaxy S3 has Oreo/Nougat ROM's.
As RASTAVIPER said;
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Buddy go buy an Iphone then.
Android provides these updates for this specific period.
Simple as that.
No reason to argue more, if you don't agree with that.
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And continuing on his reply, you don't buy an Android for the repeated OEM updates, you buy it for the community support and the Open Source Features of Android, which allow anyone to build on it.
Want all the updates that Apple provides to their phones? Don't buy a budget device like the 5T for 500$ approx. Go buy an iPhone for double the price if you're all about the OEM support.
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It's sad when you're supporting Apple for having Software Support for their devices >5 Years old, but call Android users "sheep", when you have fanboys supporting Apple for new phones that are similar in design and internal specs [Except the IP8/8+/X], but mark my words, the next few iPhones will be a repeat in all what we like about the recent Apple phones.
As per my knowledge of the definition of Sheep: People who fall in line for repeated and fake ideas without having any reason as to why they're following.
And in all my time of using Android devices, any flagship line of devices have never been repeated in specs and design, unlike *cough* iPhone *cough*. An example : iPhone SE
Sure, OEM's may not support Android devices for long, but for a flagship device, there will always be Custom ROM's. Hell, even my Galaxy S3 has Oreo/Nougat ROM's.
As RASTAVIPER said;
And continuing on his reply, you don't buy an Android for the repeated OEM updates, you buy it for the community support and the Open Source Features of Android, which allow anyone to build on it.
Want all the updates that Apple provides to their phones? Don't buy a budget device like the 5T for 500$ approx. Go buy an iPhone for double the price if you're all about the OEM support.
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I'm an apple fanboy ? Holy cow, I didn't know that myself. Thanks for clarifying o greatest of all. Lol.
If you say that people's dedication towards nation in North Korea is awesome doesn't make you a NK fanboy. If you can't say what's good for what it is, then shame on you and shame on you for trying to shut me from saying that.
I'm tired of you people tagging - oh he's a Nvidia fanboy, oh he's an amd fanboy. I'm a consumer. A "consumer".
And here you go spitting venom about this and that aspect of apple and Android. Yo, I'm talking about software support here !! I'm not taking side of apple or android which your blockhead clearly missed out. But that's okay. It's your life, it's your money and it's your choice.
But what really is interesting is, I spoke about apple being good about software updates and you lost your mind !! And readily assumed me to be an apple user in xda. That's cool ... That's cool. A sheep is a sheep. Whether it's an android user or apple. Anyway, good day to you.
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I'm an apple fanboy ? Holy cow, I didn't know that myself. Thanks for clarifying o greatest of all. Lol.
If you say that people's dedication towards nation in North Korea is awesome doesn't make you a NK fanboy. If you can't say what's good for what it is, then shame on you and shame on you for trying to shut me from saying that.
I'm tired of you people tagging - oh he's a Nvidia fanboy, oh he's an amd fanboy. I'm a consumer. A "consumer".
And here you go spitting venom about this and that aspect of apple and Android. Yo, I'm talking about software support here !! I'm not taking side of apple or android which your blockhead clearly missed out. But that's okay. It's your life, it's your money and it's your choice.
But what really is interesting is, I spoke about apple being good about software updates and you lost your mind !! And readily assumed me to be an apple user in xda. That's cool ... That's cool. A sheep is a sheep. Whether it's an android user or apple. Anyway, good day to you.
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I'd like you to re-read my reply, and check where I called you an Apple fanboy or even an Apple user. I clearly stated that you calling Android users sheep is funny when Apple fanboys are sheep for a repeated device. I have NOT called you an Apple fanboy nor have I called you an Apple product consumer. Please do go re-read if you still think so.
Throwing insults around like a child? Do go on, because I never "spat venom" at any clarification or any idea you stated, and I did not "lose my mind", I was speaking in a calm and cool way, unlike you who had the audacity to insult me, when I didn't even say anything to offend you in the first place. If you misread or misunderstood my reply, that's not my problem, it's your problem.
Well, if you speak and think like this on any forum, no wonder you're disappointed how the community helps you or treats you. You don't even have your facts straight yet, OEM's don't support their devices readily with the newest OS updates, but they do update even their older devices with important security updates, I.E.: OnePlus rolling out the KRACK vulnerability fix to the OP2.
And frankly speaking, I deem it viable for Apple to release updates for their older devices, when you spend an absurd amount on even an older device. Overly expensive=Good after sales support and OTA's
But you want a budget flagship killer company(OnePlus) to;
1. Make powerful devices that are at budget prices
2. Support the device and older devices for a time period of 5 years.
3. Keep releasing newer and newer devices with updated hardware, while doing #2
You think that all the staff, manufacturing and running costs run on Air, but they got to keep their lights running. If it's a company like Apple who price their devices at absurd prices and have no price depreciation for a couple of years, yes they should give OTA's for a long time.
You don't take anything into consideration, but only the fact that it needs to keep you happy and at a low price.
Quoting @RASTAVIPER ; Go buy an iPhone, because Android OEM's release OTA's for the time period of that device. When they've completed their OTA stages for the flagship, we have an amazing community to support each other, unlike Apple who keep their devices locked down, so they HAVE to give OS updates.
Keep throwing childish insults at anyone who argues with you on XDA or any other forum, and see if anyone will be happy to help you.
Also, if it didn't get through to you, I did not call you an Apple fanboy, and neither did I involve anything so personally condemning for you to insult me.
Definition of sheeple (Sheep of Apple)
informal
: people who are docile, compliant, or easily influenced
Seriously so much false flag in this thread its insane... Android phones would have 5 year updates if people would not want a "new" phone every six months. Simple
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https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/03/google-ends-major-os-support-for-the-nexus-phones-and-pixel-tablet/
Google is really disgusting... The price of Pixel C is almost equal to iPad pro, but the functional updats is only 2 years.
The Tegra X1 is still more powerful than most Android SoCs, but no support any more.
Google has wasted Pixel C's hardware.
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Google is really disgusting... The price of Pixel C is almost equal to iPad pro, but the functional updats is only 2 years.
The Tegra X1 is still more powerful than most Android SoCs, but no support any more.
Google has wasted Pixel C's hardware.
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I hate how right you are. Maybe they aren't putting in the time just because of sales volume? I am sure there will be some good roms for it.
Monazite said:
Google is really disgusting... The price of Pixel C is almost equal to iPad pro, but the functional updats is only 2 years.
The Tegra X1 is still more powerful than most Android SoCs, but no support any more.
Google has wasted Pixel C's hardware.
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Only the GPU of Tegra X1 is still superior today. Its CPU and RAM performance are 20 to 50 percent lower than most flagship Android devices of the past year.
degraaff said:
Only the GPU of Tegra X1 is still superior today. Its CPU and RAM performance are 20 to 50 percent lower than most flagship Android devices of the past year.
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Probably correct, but so what? Is that sufficient excuse to drop it? I bet P would run on much more humble configuration.
Monazite said:
Google is really disgusting... The price of Pixel C is almost equal to iPad pro, but the functional updats is only 2 years.
The Tegra X1 is still more powerful than most Android SoCs, but no support any more.
Google has wasted Pixel C's hardware.
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You do realize that the length of support is published years in advance, don't you?
Whining just because Google is doing what it said it would do is plain silly.
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pkelly517 said:
You do realize that the length of support is published years in advance, don't you?
Whining just because Google is doing what it said it would do is plain silly.
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Google didn't publish the life cycle of Pixel C. Only Nexus family and Pixel phones.
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Google didn't publish the life cycle of Pixel C. Only Nexus family and Pixel phones.
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Oh goodness. My mistake.
Google never explicitly stated that the Pixel C would be exempt from it normal update schedule. That should immediately let the world know that it would receive unending support.
Dumb.
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Oh goodness. My mistake.
Google never explicitly stated that the Pixel C would be exempt from it normal update schedule. That should immediately let the world know that it would receive unending support.
Dumb.
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So why should anyone buy a Pixel tablet? If that's Google's business model for tablets they might as well (if they haven't done already) jack it in. Buying tablets is different to upgrading your phone every couple of years.
I am hoping to have ChromeOS instead of Android P on Pixel C, since ChromeOS for tablets is on the way...
https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/2/1...date-android-tablets-operating-system-replace
Monazite said:
Google is really disgusting... The price of Pixel C is almost equal to iPad pro, but the functional updats is only 2 years.
The Tegra X1 is still more powerful than most Android SoCs, but no support any more.
Google has wasted Pixel C's hardware.
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Totally agree with your comments on this.. The Pixel C was a total waste, for the most part mine just collects dust, and maybe that is why no further support? Just not a viable form factor?
I had three units under warranty with the third finally working. By the time I got a working unit that did not reboot or have power issues the device felt dated. Maybe a fresh coat of paint with P would help, but I doubt it.
I love my Pixel C, I use it every day as part of my business activities, and of an evening I'll use it to play some games, consume some Youtube videos, Netflix etc.
I'm disappointed that Google aren't replacing it with another tablet device, as there is very little 'business-class' devices in the Android world
mightywhites29111971 said:
So why should anyone buy a Pixel tablet? If that's Google's business model for tablets they might as well (if they haven't done already) jack it in. Buying tablets is different to upgrading your phone every couple of years.
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Nobody's stopping you from starting a company and raise funds via Kickstarter to sell a tablet with infinite software lifecycle support. Why don't you do that and show the disgusting company how it's done?
scoliosis said:
Nobody's stopping you from starting a company and raise funds via Kickstarter to sell a tablet with infinite software lifecycle support. Why don't you do that and show the disgusting company how it's done?
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Grow up! I was asking a valid question as to why would anyone buy a £500 tablet if it stopped getting updates after two years. The Pixel was made to try and convert iPad users to switch to Android in my opinion, and it may put people off from doing that, as Apple don't stop supporting their tablets after two years.
I suppose we can just flash Lineage once that upgrades to P?
Its crappy that our weird underlying OS (for want of a better word) and lack of popularity means a tiny dev scene, but that's not Google's fault directly.
They did give us 2.5 years of updates from release date. That's not so bad. All in all my Pixel C works as advertised, so not sure what everyone's so angry about.
Wonder if this has anything to do with it?
http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/rip-android-tablets-google-wiped-slate-clean-3480196
mightywhites29111971 said:
Grow up! I was asking a valid question as to why would anyone buy a £500 tablet if it stopped getting updates after two years.
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10s of millions do just that with Samsungs - you only get 2 years updates for even the top end S range, and they cost a lot more than £500!
Not having Android P doesn't make it any less of a device than having Nougat or Oreo. All the apps work and carry on doing what they've always done. MS Word or YouTube or BBC News or Twitter don't work any differently in Nougat or Oreo and wouldn't under P.
m+a+r+k said:
10s of millions do just that with Samsungs - you only get 2 years updates for even the top end S range, and they cost a lot more than £500!
Not having Android P doesn't make it any less of a device than having Nougat or Oreo. All the apps work and carry on doing what they've always done. MS Word or YouTube or BBC News or Twitter don't work any differently in Nougat or Oreo and wouldn't under P.
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In that case why update any device? We get updates to improve the experience as well as security for your device. Are you still on Eclair?
mightywhites29111971 said:
Grow up! I was asking a valid question as to why would anyone buy a £500 tablet if it stopped getting updates after two years. The Pixel was made to try and convert iPad users to switch to Android in my opinion, and it may put people off from doing that, as Apple don't stop supporting their tablets after two years.
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A question that has been answered many many times in these hallowed halls. Plenty of people buy Samsung devices that don't get update after 2 years. Everyone likes to compare with Apple. You do realize Apple designs their own hardware soups to nuts right? Google designed their devices based on SoC from other companies. If those companies don't provide updated drivers to work with the new OS, how do you think Google is going to make it work reliably. And before you go saying "There are 3rd party ROMs that does that!" Ask yourself if that ROM doesn't work, what kind of guaranteed support do you get? If it bricks your device, what is your recourse?
Telling you to go start a company that will support a device infinitely is telling you to go dig deeper into what dependencies there are in doing such a thing.
mightywhites29111971 said:
In that case why update any device?
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For the vast majority of users there is no need. In fact there is a significant numbers of users who refuse to upgrade any device for various reasons.
But for those that do update a device - any tech in fact - it's all to do with dopamine. The consumer society is a construct to create more dopamine.
For users and sellers the pleasure of the new, the pleasure of change, the pleasure of not being left behind, of being ahead of your peers in the constant battle to, not only keep up with, but beat the Jones', but ultimately the pleasure of enjoying the VAST profits being made when all the sheep have to have your new device, right here, right now!