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Here's the reason why Nexus 6 is so expensive

No, it's not the "flagship hardware" argument.
It's about the fact that the Google decided to stop competing with it's own supporters: Samsung, LG, Sony, Motorola, etc. I can bet the hardware makers were beginning to be quite pissed off because of the Nexus bargain prices, and complained loudly. Yes, the Nexus was a great way to show the hardware makers and developers a direction for the Android hardware and - more important - for the Android software, but enough is enough, Google doesn't really need the hardware business so putting more pressure on its own allies is the last thing it needed to do. So the Nexus will remain that direction, with the difference that it will not unnecessarily compete with its partners.
Samsung already posted declining sales. The last thing the hardware makers need now is more competition.
A similar story happened with Microsoft and it's hardware partners. The Surface and Surface Pro tablets are priced quite high in order to avoid competing but they are still able to show the hardware partners a direction in which it wants things to evolve.
So there you have it. This is the real reason Google decided to price the Nexus 6 so high.

kevinlevrone said:
No, it's not the "flagship hardware" argument.
It's about the fact that the Google decided to stop competing with it's own supporters: Samsung, LG, Sony, Motorola, etc. I can bet the hardware makers were beginning to be quite pissed off because of the Nexus bargain prices, and complained loudly. Yes, the Nexus was a great way to show the hardware makers and developers a direction for the Android hardware, but enough is enough, Google doesn't really need the hardware business so putting more pressure on its own allies is the last thing it needed to do.
Samsung already posted declining sales. The last thing the hardware makers need now is more competition.
A similar story happened with Microsoft and it's hardware partners. The Surface and Surface Pro tablets are priced quite high in order to avoid competing but they are still able to show the hardware partners a direction in which it wants things to evolve.
So there you have it. This is the real reason Google decided to price the Nexus 6 so high.
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Was disappointed by the price, but this makes sense, well ill have to go and get another phone, possibly, Nexus 5 or OPO

kevinlevrone said:
No, it's not the "flagship hardware" argument.
It's about the fact that the Google decided to stop competing with it's own supporters: Samsung, LG, Sony, Motorola, etc. I can bet the hardware makers were beginning to be quite pissed off because of the Nexus bargain prices, and complained loudly. Yes, the Nexus was a great way to show the hardware makers and developers a direction for the Android hardware, but enough is enough, Google doesn't really need the hardware business so putting more pressure on its own allies is the last thing it needed to do.
Samsung already posted declining sales. The last thing the hardware makers need now is more competition.
A similar story happened with Microsoft and it's hardware partners. The Surface and Surface Pro tablets are priced quite high in order to avoid competing but they are still able to show the hardware partners a direction in which it wants things to evolve.
So there you have it. This is the real reason Google decided to price the Nexus 6 so high.
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Don't buy that argument. Why would google even go through the trouble of making a Nexus device then? Nexus phones certainly weren't cutting into the sales of the Galaxy line. It's a niche market. If google wanted to play nice with hardware manufacturers they would just continue to release Google Play Edition versions of existing devices rather than create their own device.

They probably thought well Apple can sell plenty of iPhones at a hefty markup then we will have a slice of that action.

qwerty12601 said:
Don't buy that argument. Why would google even go through the trouble of making a Nexus device then?
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To give the hardware makers and to "the world" a direction, a benchmark on how an Android device should look and function, a direction in which the Android ecosystem is evolving.

kevinlevrone said:
To give the hardware makers and to "the world" a direction, a benchmark on how an Android device should look and function, a direction in which the Android ecosystem is evolving.
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But on the same token, this device is an enlarged Moto X. Where is google's influence on this device other than a larger foot print?

anees167 said:
Was disappointed by the price, but this makes sense, well ill have to go and get another phone, possibly, Nexus 5 or OPO
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I agree. So today, I chose the N5 over the OPO because of wireless charging and I want android L asap

qwerty12601 said:
But on the same token, this device is an enlarged Moto X. Where is google's influence on this device other than a larger foot print?
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The most important is in the software and how updates are delivered.
The fact that the Nexus 6 is similar to the Moto X (the designs converge) means that Google almost reached its goal of showing the hardware makers how it wants and Android device to look and function.
Remember how the Nexus One seemed like a huge step up compared to all the other Android devices ? Then how a new Nexus (don't remember which - maybe Nexus 4) introduced the software keys instead of the hardware/capacitive permanent keys ? Google steered the hardware into the direction it wanted, over time. Now we are at a point in which the hardware makers know how to properly build Android devices.

qwerty12601 said:
Don't buy that argument. Why would google even go through the trouble of making a Nexus device then? Nexus phones certainly weren't cutting into the sales of the Galaxy line. It's a niche market. If google wanted to play nice with hardware manufacturers they would just continue to release Google Play Edition versions of existing devices rather than create their own device.
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I don't buy this argument either. If anything, Google, according to most reports, is actively trying to wrestle even more control as it seeks to increase competition from other vendors, such as Samsung, which has all but lobotomized Android. With this device, even the price point suggests that a Google device can step out of the niche market and go toe to toe with the heavyweights. Google wants to show it can marry the best hardware with the best form of its newly revamped OS. And, this price point only exudes Google's confidence in this direction.

kevinlevrone said:
The most important is in the software and how updates are delivered.
The fact that the Nexus 6 is similar to the Moto X (the designs converge) means that Google almost reached its goal of showing the hardware makers how it wants and Android device to look and function.
Remember how the Nexus One seemed like a huge step up compared to all the other Android devices ? Then how a new Nexus (don't remember which - maybe Nexus 4) introduced the software keys instead of the hardware/capacitive permanent keys ? Google steered the hardware into the direction it wanted, over time. Now we are at a point in which the hardware makers know how to properly build Android devices.
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I don't doubt that hardware makers have grown to shape their devices to google's goal. But at this point, why would google want to showcase a device that theoretically has been designed in 2013 (original moto x). They're is no device innovation this time. There really hasn't been for years, and that's been accompanied by affordable devices.

qwerty12601 said:
I don't doubt that hardware makers have grown to shape their devices to google's goal. But at this point, why would google want to showcase a device that theoretically has been designed in 2013 (original moto x). They're is no device innovation this time. There really hasn't been for years, and that's been accompanied by affordable devices.
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Did you see any innovation in the new iPhones, other than the larger screens, faster processors and better OS ? Same with Nexus - larger screen, faster processor and better OS. The perceived lack of real hardware innovation it's not Google's fault, it's just that this is the state of technology today.

kevinlevrone said:
Did you see any innovation in the new iPhones, other than the larger screens, faster processors and better OS ? Same with Nexus - larger screen, faster processor and better OS. The perceived lack of real hardware innovation it's not Google's fault, it's just that this is the state of technology today.
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The iphone hasn't innovated anything in years. Their sell is an easy device to use with a super loyal following, and extremely consistent pricing. The price of a new Iphone hasn't changed in many years.
If that's the direction the nexus line wants to go, then good luck! But Nexus doesn't have that large loyal following, and with prices going up and down it's going to make people look at other options.

qwerty12601 said:
If that's the direction the nexus line wants to go, then good luck! But Nexus doesn't have that large loyal following, and with prices going up and down it's going to make people look at other options.
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I think that Google doesn't want (anymore) that many people to buy its Nexus devices - especially phablets which are Samsung's most profitable devices and would really hurt it if Nexus was sold at bargain prices - what Google wants is that those Nexus devices to exist as a reference.
It may be that Samsung had a lot of saying in how Google positioned the Nexus 6. Google needs Samsung, badly. And Samsung released many of its wearables with the Tizen operating system instead of Android Wear. It may be that Google did Samsung a favor in order to ensure that it doesn't lose the wearables war in the future and get Samsung in the Android Wear boat.

Its expensive now not because they were not competing. the nexus line didn't make a dent in anybody's pocket except google's
Fact remains is nexus 5 sales numbers were never released, most likely because they were so poor compared to flagship devices.
Google wanted a way to compete with samsung/apple and now they have found it: contract with more carriers, set it at a price point where other people not familiar with the nexus line would consider it a flagship device, etc.
i can understand, from a business standpoint the nexus 5 didn't make sense and it was time to compete with the big players.
Though i'm sad and will not be buying one. The point of a nexus for me was both the price and no contract needed.. now they got rid of that and at this point i'd rather get something tried and tested like a galaxy note especially if im going to be forced into a contract to get an affordable price for it.

kevinlevrone said:
I think that Google doesn't want (anymore) that many people to buy its Nexus devices - especially phablets which are Samsung's most profitable devices and would really hurt it if Nexus was sold at bargain prices - what Google wants is that those Nexus devices to exist as a reference.
It may be that Samsung had a lot of saying in how Google positioned the Nexus 6. Google needs Samsung, badly. And Samsung released many of its wearables with the Tizen operating system instead of Android Wear. It may be that Google did Samsung a favor in order to ensure that it doesn't lose the wearables war in the future and get Samsung in the Android Wear boat.
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Which is why I feel if that's the direction they really wanted to go, just doing GPE on existing devices where manufacturers are aware and optimize their devices with googles input would make more sense. That way the manufacturer gets to sell the device at full cost, featuring stock android.

floepie said:
I don't buy this argument either. If anything, Google, according to most reports, is actively trying to wrestle even more control as it seeks to increase competition from other vendors, such as Samsung, which has all but lobotomized Android. With this device, even the price point suggests that a Google device can step out of the niche market and go toe to toe with the heavyweights. Google wants to show it can marry the best hardware with the best form of its newly revamped OS. And, this price point only exudes Google's confidence in this direction.
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I believe you nailed it. Its as good as anything top notch out there, and cheaper. Had it been a $450 phone, people would have complained it could have been more.
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So to prevent competition they sell it for a price not many are willing to pay. And to top it off, make it gigantic for even more clout.

theoneofgod said:
So to prevent competition they sell it for a price not many are willing to pay. And to top it off, make it gigantic for even more clout.
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No, to *help* competition among its partners. Google is not in the hardware business, they don't care if it sells or not. It only cares for the Nexus line to exist and show the world how Android should be.

An alternative take.
Motorola are hurting for cash. Google bought them, did nothing with them and then sold them to Lenovo, but not before taking all the good IP with them. Lenovo added a stipulation that they make the next Nexus device and get to price it, making more profit. Motorola are the only ones to name the price so far, not Google.
That's my take, it's pure stipulation, but that's my opinion.

Kryten2k35 said:
An alternative take.
Motorola are hurting for cash. Google bought them, did nothing with them and then sold them to Lenovo, but not before taking all the good IP with them. Lenovo added a stipulation that they make the next Nexus device and get to price it, making more profit. Motorola are the only ones to name the price so far, not Google.
That's my take, it's pure stipulation, but that's my opinion.
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Interesting and I find it possible. Motorola doesn't have a non-Nexus phablet yet, so the Nexus could be their own entry into the phablet market. The fact that it will be sold through carriers with subsidy, etc. just like a regular phone also adds to this possibility.
However, would Google abandon their Nexus strategy with this one-time deal/screw-up ? Not sure. And I'm also not sure that the Nexus line sold so well as to be a desired deal by Motorola. The Nexus line was positioned in a certain way, you can't easily switch this positioning and expect huge success (Google doesn't care about sales but Motorola does).
However I believe Google (or Motorola, or both) will learn its lesson from this. People expect lower prices from Nexus devices. If they launched a similar phablet but non-Nexus branded, no one would have complained about the price. But calling it a Nexus will surely make many people hate Google for it.

Android Oreo is coming soon (c)tm

Many of us are eagerly awaiting the arrival of Oreo to our beloved Note 5 and it's on it's way. There is already an early beta build of it for the S6 based on a new branch of LOS15 I believe. It still has a few bugs but it's bootable a few things don't yet work but the basic's are there. It can only be a matter of time before a Note 5 dev picks it up and creates a build for us.
Have patience guys we should be enjoying a little Oreo goodness soon.
My source for this news is here - https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...nt/g92xx-android-o-samsung-galaxy-s6-t3663901

I just wish it wasn't Samsung based.

I read on samobile that the note 5 isn't getting Android 8.
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No word officially from Samsung yet but it is likely that Samobile is correct and we wont be getting an Oreo upgrade from Samsung. While that is very disappointing it's not the end of the road for the Note 5. I'm sure there will be rom's ported from devices that do get upgrades and source built rom's too. Samsung does not care about us but luckily for us XDA has teams of talented developers who do care. One way or other we will be enjoying Oreo goodness we just need to be patient till it happens.

For reference.
https://www.sammobile.com/samsung-galaxy-android-8-o-update

Note 5 already gone through two major OS update. so if not mistaken, we will miss the Oreo update. Our only hope is custom rom porting.

edwardsiow said:
Note 5 already gone through two major OS update. so if not mistaken, we will miss the Oreo update. Our only hope is custom rom porting.
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Which is either unlikely or very unstable given the state of AOSP development for our devices

Im so glad i didn't sell my Nexus 6P Just upgraded to Orem Fully rooted Goodbye Note 5 you wont be missed

izou1838 said:
Im so glad i didn't sell my Nexus 6P Just upgraded to Orem Fully rooted Goodbye Note 5 you wont be missed
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I got a full refund from Google for the early shutdown issue. Extremely happy with samsung oreo isn't a huge leap forward I can wait.

AndrewM3 said:
I got a full refund from Google for the early shutdown issue. Extremely happy with samsung oreo isn't a huge leap forward I can wait.
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8.0 is a big deal (compared to prev updates) battery wise, Data and managing apps is much better.
My main thing is the battery which has almost doubled, specially on standby bringing new life to this old phone I didn't care for

Anyone else bothered that a barely 2 year old phone is getting ditched by Samsung? Are we going to just accept companies obsoleting phones after 2 years? I'm not one for ROMs and rooting really so I don't want to hear about how Oreo is coming in that sense to the Note 5. Samsung should put Oreo together and release it for the Note 5. And if they can't then I'm not buying Samsung anymore. I don't care if they don't care. Phones should have a minimum of 5 year support at least for security updates. No reason why the Note 5 can't handle Oreo.

tech15 said:
Anyone else bothered that a barely 2 year old phone is getting ditched by Samsung? Are we going to just accept companies obsoleting phones after 2 years? I'm not one for ROMs and rooting really so I don't want to hear about how Oreo is coming in that sense to the Note 5. Samsung should put Oreo together and release it for the Note 5. And if they can't then I'm not buying Samsung anymore. I don't care if they don't care. Phones should have a minimum of 5 year support at least for security updates. No reason why the Note 5 can't handle Oreo.
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I agree whole heartedly with what your saying there phones n tablets etc should get more than 2 years support before being abandoned. The Note 5 is more than capable of running Oreo without a problem. But sadly Samsung will never give it to us we will now only get security updates no further OS updates.
Samsung's short sighted view is if u want the latest android OS buy a new phone every 2 years to get it. Yes I know they are in the business to make money but seriously they need to understand that us regular customers can't afford to replace perfectly good devices every couple of years and their corporate customers are unlikely to do so either.
I read somewhere that Samsung wants to get more of the corporate and government contracts that Apple enjoys for themselves and become as rich as Apple.
But Apple not only has nice hardware and the security that corporations and governments want they also support their devices for 4-5 years and that is a big factor in that market as well as the consumer market.
Until the high up's in Samsung grasp that concept and treat all it's customers better they will never have as much success as Apple enjoys. They seem content with things as they are and not caring a damn how many customers they upset and cause to stop buying their products because for every customer who leaves them there are millions more to replace them. The concept of gaining more customers while keeping existing customers happy by treating them right seems to be an alien concept to Samsung. Their attitude is we WILL do whatever we want in the pursuit of profit and to hell with those who don't like it there are many more to replace you.
I too have decided that I am no longer prepared to be treated like this by Samsung and my Note 5 will be the last product of theirs i buy. The sad thing is they build great hardware but their attitude towards customers seriously sucks and their short sighted profit model is unlikely to change any time soon.

RemusW said:
I agree whole heartedly with what your saying there phones n tablets etc should get more than 2 years support before being abandoned... etc etc more fluff etc ...their short sighted profit model is unlikely to change any time soon.
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Funny you should pick on Samsung out of all of the Android manufacturers; nearly all of them support their devices for only two years, even Google. So before you start complaining about how profit-greedy a company is, just remember that the company that *owns* Android doesn't even care to offer support for older devices. Also laughable that Google should make fun of Apple for ditching the headphone jack and look what they're doing with the Pixel 2. Pick a manufacturer, any manufacturer. You're not going to get the support you're looking for unless you switch to Apple.

BlockOfDynamite said:
Funny you should pick on Samsung out of all of the Android manufacturers; nearly all of them support their devices for only two years, even Google. So before you start complaining about how profit-greedy a company is, just remember that the company that *owns* Android doesn't even care to offer support for older devices. Also laughable that Google should make fun of Apple for ditching the headphone jack and look what they're doing with the Pixel 2. Pick a manufacturer, any manufacturer. You're not going to get the support you're looking for unless you switch to Apple.
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You are correct most manufacturers do the same things but Samsung has reached the position of being the largest supplier of android phones on the planet and from that position of strength they lead and influence all the smaller players bellow them. If Samsung began to change it's attitude towards customers and treated them better then many of the smaller players would follow.
As for Google they don't make hardware only software the phones bearing the Google name are made by other phone manufacturers and again it's those manufacturers who dictate and control how long a phone is supported. Now Google could use it's licencing muscle to make the manufacturers behave better towards their customers and give better support but I don't know why they don't.
Android is open source true but the Android logo and Android OS version logo's are not they are copyright of Google and if any manufacturer wants to sell a phone with android on it they must comply with licencing terms and conditions set by Google. Now some of those conditions could be that manufacturers must give better support and for longer or that they must make available to the development communities the information needed to carry on support when the manufacturer no longer wants to do so. They could release information on things like drivers needed to interface with the hardware or better compatibility with the SOC's. No one is asking for the source codes to their whiz bang UI skins many don't like them and we certainly don't need them.
Google could use their position to make things better for everyone but I really don't know why they don't.

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Funny you should pick on Samsung out of all of the Android manufacturers; nearly all of them support their devices for only two years, even Google. So before you start complaining about how profit-greedy a company is, just remember that the company that *owns* Android doesn't even care to offer support for older devices. Also laughable that Google should make fun of Apple for ditching the headphone jack and look what they're doing with the Pixel 2. Pick a manufacturer, any manufacturer. You're not going to get the support you're looking for unless you switch to Apple.
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I know you're not talking directly to me but the reason I chimed in on this thread is because I have a Samsung. I've also had LG too and they're in the same boat with not updating their phones. Also One Plus and Motorola. I call all of them out but particularly focused on Samsung since I own a Note 5. That's all.

Yeah it sucks..I own a note 8... Really it's not a big update. They made a great phone with the note 5.

me_ashman said:
Yeah it sucks..I own a note 8... Really it's not a big update. They made a great phone with the note 5.
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Dang really? Note 8 looks awesome. You're saying I'm not missing much by having a 5 still?

It's a nice phone. But the camera isn't better.. The front camera is worse in my opinion. Good screen and the size isn't much different. Slimmer but taller. Speed wise they are the same. Note 5 is just as snappy and fluid as the note 8

"before a Note 5 dev picks it up and creates a build for us."
So no one?

Porcupineomg said:
"before a Note 5 dev picks it up and creates a build for us."
So no one?
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No doubt there will be a build but it's no good if you're using the tap and pay option

OP 5T ??

?? Looks cool
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzGdGHHs0zdxdGZaR3FLcG92cTQ/view?usp=sharing
fingerprint sensor at back another disappointment... op can never get it right
http://geeksnipper.com/oneplus-5t-will-launched-november-20th/6752/

More real estate for screen so FP goes to the back. Trending way for most new phones.

Least this one will come with Oreo and hopefully they give it 2 OS update cycles, unlike the screwjob we got with the 3t

qbanlinxx said:
Least this one will come with Oreo and hopefully they give it 2 OS update cycles, unlike the screwjob we got with the 3t
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Screwjob? The OnePlus 3T came with Android 6.0.1, was updated to Android 7.x, and now Android 8.0 is on beta channel.
6.0.1 -> 7.x -> 8.0
That makes two update cycles.

casual_kikoo said:
Screwjob? The OnePlus 3T came with Android 6.0.1, was updated to Android 7.x, and now Android 8.0 is on beta channel.
6.0.1 -> 7.x -> 8.0
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Indeed, the 5t comes with 8.0 installed that was just released, and will get 9.x and 10. I feel the 3t should have came with 7.0, considering 6.0.1 had been out over a year already. So yes I feel like the 3t got a screwjob in that regard..

oTeMpLo said:
fingerprint sensor at back another disappointment... op can never get it right
http://geeksnipper.com/oneplus-5t-will-launched-november-20th/6752/
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if this is real, i have to disagree!
before the OP3t i used a nexus 5x, and i quite like the back placement of the fingerprint scanner!

qbanlinxx said:
Indeed, the 5t comes with 8.0 installed that was just released, and will get 9.x and 10. I feel the 3t should have came with 7.0, considering 6.0.1 had been out over a year already. So yes I feel like the 3t got a screwjob in that regard..
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You can feel anyway you like mate.
But facts are facts and it is what it is.
3T will receive the normal number of official updates and nothing to blame the company for.
After that we have this fantastic community to take care of us.
So, no real reason to complain, right?
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Hmmm, I'm becoming more of the opinion that my 3T is too big.
I miss having a smaller, 5" say phone.
Bigger screen/same footprint doesn't interest me at all.
There's really nothing on the market that grabs my attention and makes me want to buy it...

With the release of the Oneplus 5T incoming, I'm left questioning the longevity of my Oneplus 3T. You see, my issue is that just a few days back I got pushed around a shopping mall and my phone dropped face first from around chest height. The phone is now having 30% of its screen cracked from the bottom right. Thankfully all the functions still work but looking at the screen is still a pain. My only options are to pay about $120 to buy a replacement screen and have it shipped to my home country (in the middle east) and look for a shop that'll replace and hopefully not damage the device. My only other option is to get a oneplus 5T or use this phone as is until the oneplus 6 comes out and buy that. According to how I buy things, I like to keep my phone for atleast 2 years before I change to a new one, so far it has been only 11 months. So what would you, the community, recommend me to do now that we know that Oneplus will no longer be updating the 3T? Thank you for the advice

RASTAVIPER said:
You can feel anyway you like mate.
But facts are facts and it is what it is.
3T will receive the normal number of official updates and nothing to blame the company for.
After that we have this fantastic community to take care of us.
So, no real reason to complain, right?
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Indeed facts are facts and it is what it is. Yes it is OnePlus fault it shipped with 6.0.1, I didn't make that decision.

endursa said:
if this is real, i have to disagree!
before the OP3t i used a nexus 5x, and i quite like the back placement of the fingerprint scanner!
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Same opinion:good:
But I see no reason to buy the 5T. I'm very happy with my 3T and there will be soon the Oneplus 6

bilal.malik said:
With the release of the Oneplus 5T incoming, I'm left questioning the longevity of my Oneplus 3T. You see, my issue is that just a few days back I got pushed around a shopping mall and my phone dropped face first from around chest height. The phone is now having 30% of its screen cracked from the bottom right. Thankfully all the functions still work but looking at the screen is still a pain. My only options are to pay about $120 to buy a replacement screen and have it shipped to my home country (in the middle east) and look for a shop that'll replace and hopefully not damage the device. My only other option is to get a oneplus 5T or use this phone as is until the oneplus 6 comes out and buy that. According to how I buy things, I like to keep my phone for atleast 2 years before I change to a new one, so far it has been only 11 months. So what would you, the community, recommend me to do now that we know that Oneplus will no longer be updating the 3T? Thank you for the advice
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I switched to Sultan XDA lineage OS. currently running 10/22/17 build with flashed 4.5.1 modem. In the USA on Mint, this is a rock solid ROM which fixed my GPS issues and has VOLTE. wifi calling is disabled. I am not going back to OOS (4.5.0 was the last version on my 3T A3000). Maybe this information will help you make a decision.

qbanlinxx said:
Indeed, the 5t comes with 8.0 installed that was just released, and will get 9.x and 10. I feel the 3t should have came with 7.0, considering 6.0.1 had been out over a year already. So yes I feel like the 3t got a screwjob in that regard..
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Yeah. 8.0 means that we got a year of OS support. It shoulder been more.
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RASTAVIPER said:
You can feel anyway you like mate.
But facts are facts and it is what it is.
3T will receive the normal number of official updates and nothing to blame the company for.
After that we have this fantastic community to take care of us.
So, no real reason to complain, right?
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The way you're thinking is the exact reason why controlled obsolescence is so successful. If OP5T comes with Android 7.1.1/7.1.2 out of box that will be the similar case of what happened with OP3T. Apple supports their OS for 4-5 years, while Android devices "die" in 2 years or less than that. No matter how okay you are with that, doesn't justify the act at all.
It is sad that people actually buy these justifications and make peace with it. These devices are so powerful that software updates can make it running for 5 years easy. "Easy". But they don't. Either Snapdragon will pull out support or OEM will. At the end of the day they want the money, and we the sheep always fall for "flashy unnecessary stuff that doesn't even matter".

devlamania said:
The way you're thinking is the exact reason why controlled obsolescence is so successful. If OP5T comes with Android 7.1.1/7.1.2 out of box that will be the similar case of what happened with OP3T. Apple supports their OS for 4-5 years, while Android devices "die" in 2 years or less than that. No matter how okay you are with that, doesn't justify the act at all.
It is sad that people actually buy these justifications and make peace with it. These devices are so powerful that software updates can make it running for 5 years easy. "Easy". But they don't. Either Snapdragon will pull out support or OEM will. At the end of the day they want the money, and we the sheep always fall for "flashy unnecessary stuff that doesn't even matter".
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Buddy go buy an Iphone then.
Android provides these updates for this specific period.
Simple as that.
No reason to argue more, if you don't agree with that.
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RASTAVIPER said:
Buddy go buy an Iphone then.
Android provides these updates for this specific period.
Simple as that.
No reason to argue more, if you don't agree with that.
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What could be the reason behind that ?

devlamania said:
The way you're thinking is the exact reason why controlled obsolescence is so successful. If OP5T comes with Android 7.1.1/7.1.2 out of box that will be the similar case of what happened with OP3T. Apple supports their OS for 4-5 years, while Android devices "die" in 2 years or less than that. No matter how okay you are with that, doesn't justify the act at all.
It is sad that people actually buy these justifications and make peace with it. These devices are so powerful that software updates can make it running for 5 years easy. "Easy". But they don't. Either Snapdragon will pull out support or OEM will. At the end of the day they want the money, and we the sheep always fall for "flashy unnecessary stuff that doesn't even matter".
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It's sad when you're supporting Apple for having Software Support for their devices >5 Years old, but call Android users "sheep", when you have fanboys supporting Apple for new phones that are similar in design and internal specs [Except the IP8/8+/X], but mark my words, the next few iPhones will be a repeat in all what we like about the recent Apple phones.
As per my knowledge of the definition of Sheep: People who fall in line for repeated and fake ideas without having any reason as to why they're following.
And in all my time of using Android devices, any flagship line of devices have never been repeated in specs and design, unlike *cough* iPhone *cough*. An example : iPhone SE
Sure, OEM's may not support Android devices for long, but for a flagship device, there will always be Custom ROM's. Hell, even my Galaxy S3 has Oreo/Nougat ROM's.
As RASTAVIPER said;
RASTAVIPER said:
Buddy go buy an Iphone then.
Android provides these updates for this specific period.
Simple as that.
No reason to argue more, if you don't agree with that.
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And continuing on his reply, you don't buy an Android for the repeated OEM updates, you buy it for the community support and the Open Source Features of Android, which allow anyone to build on it.
Want all the updates that Apple provides to their phones? Don't buy a budget device like the 5T for 500$ approx. Go buy an iPhone for double the price if you're all about the OEM support.

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It's sad when you're supporting Apple for having Software Support for their devices >5 Years old, but call Android users "sheep", when you have fanboys supporting Apple for new phones that are similar in design and internal specs [Except the IP8/8+/X], but mark my words, the next few iPhones will be a repeat in all what we like about the recent Apple phones.
As per my knowledge of the definition of Sheep: People who fall in line for repeated and fake ideas without having any reason as to why they're following.
And in all my time of using Android devices, any flagship line of devices have never been repeated in specs and design, unlike *cough* iPhone *cough*. An example : iPhone SE
Sure, OEM's may not support Android devices for long, but for a flagship device, there will always be Custom ROM's. Hell, even my Galaxy S3 has Oreo/Nougat ROM's.
As RASTAVIPER said;
And continuing on his reply, you don't buy an Android for the repeated OEM updates, you buy it for the community support and the Open Source Features of Android, which allow anyone to build on it.
Want all the updates that Apple provides to their phones? Don't buy a budget device like the 5T for 500$ approx. Go buy an iPhone for double the price if you're all about the OEM support.
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I'm an apple fanboy ? Holy cow, I didn't know that myself. Thanks for clarifying o greatest of all. Lol.
If you say that people's dedication towards nation in North Korea is awesome doesn't make you a NK fanboy. If you can't say what's good for what it is, then shame on you and shame on you for trying to shut me from saying that.
I'm tired of you people tagging - oh he's a Nvidia fanboy, oh he's an amd fanboy. I'm a consumer. A "consumer".
And here you go spitting venom about this and that aspect of apple and Android. Yo, I'm talking about software support here !! I'm not taking side of apple or android which your blockhead clearly missed out. But that's okay. It's your life, it's your money and it's your choice.
But what really is interesting is, I spoke about apple being good about software updates and you lost your mind !! And readily assumed me to be an apple user in xda. That's cool ... That's cool. A sheep is a sheep. Whether it's an android user or apple. Anyway, good day to you.

devlamania said:
I'm an apple fanboy ? Holy cow, I didn't know that myself. Thanks for clarifying o greatest of all. Lol.
If you say that people's dedication towards nation in North Korea is awesome doesn't make you a NK fanboy. If you can't say what's good for what it is, then shame on you and shame on you for trying to shut me from saying that.
I'm tired of you people tagging - oh he's a Nvidia fanboy, oh he's an amd fanboy. I'm a consumer. A "consumer".
And here you go spitting venom about this and that aspect of apple and Android. Yo, I'm talking about software support here !! I'm not taking side of apple or android which your blockhead clearly missed out. But that's okay. It's your life, it's your money and it's your choice.
But what really is interesting is, I spoke about apple being good about software updates and you lost your mind !! And readily assumed me to be an apple user in xda. That's cool ... That's cool. A sheep is a sheep. Whether it's an android user or apple. Anyway, good day to you.
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I'd like you to re-read my reply, and check where I called you an Apple fanboy or even an Apple user. I clearly stated that you calling Android users sheep is funny when Apple fanboys are sheep for a repeated device. I have NOT called you an Apple fanboy nor have I called you an Apple product consumer. Please do go re-read if you still think so.
Throwing insults around like a child? Do go on, because I never "spat venom" at any clarification or any idea you stated, and I did not "lose my mind", I was speaking in a calm and cool way, unlike you who had the audacity to insult me, when I didn't even say anything to offend you in the first place. If you misread or misunderstood my reply, that's not my problem, it's your problem.
Well, if you speak and think like this on any forum, no wonder you're disappointed how the community helps you or treats you. You don't even have your facts straight yet, OEM's don't support their devices readily with the newest OS updates, but they do update even their older devices with important security updates, I.E.: OnePlus rolling out the KRACK vulnerability fix to the OP2.
And frankly speaking, I deem it viable for Apple to release updates for their older devices, when you spend an absurd amount on even an older device. Overly expensive=Good after sales support and OTA's
But you want a budget flagship killer company(OnePlus) to;
1. Make powerful devices that are at budget prices
2. Support the device and older devices for a time period of 5 years.
3. Keep releasing newer and newer devices with updated hardware, while doing #2
You think that all the staff, manufacturing and running costs run on Air, but they got to keep their lights running. If it's a company like Apple who price their devices at absurd prices and have no price depreciation for a couple of years, yes they should give OTA's for a long time.
You don't take anything into consideration, but only the fact that it needs to keep you happy and at a low price.
Quoting @RASTAVIPER ; Go buy an iPhone, because Android OEM's release OTA's for the time period of that device. When they've completed their OTA stages for the flagship, we have an amazing community to support each other, unlike Apple who keep their devices locked down, so they HAVE to give OS updates.
Keep throwing childish insults at anyone who argues with you on XDA or any other forum, and see if anyone will be happy to help you.
Also, if it didn't get through to you, I did not call you an Apple fanboy, and neither did I involve anything so personally condemning for you to insult me.
Definition of sheeple (Sheep of Apple)
informal
: people who are docile, compliant, or easily influenced

Seriously so much false flag in this thread its insane... Android phones would have 5 year updates if people would not want a "new" phone every six months. Simple
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No Google assistant ambient mode for pixels? What's wrong with Google??

Google seems to be forgetting that they have their own Pixel line up and these days we hear other phones getting severity updates before us and now this. What is the point of paying so much for a Google phone??

Much hyperbole here.
Last month, Google if I recall correctly went off script and released the factory images and OTA updates for the Pixel devices on the first of the month, rather than the first Tuesday of the month. So no, Google hasn't forgotten the Pixels and just looking at the factory image or OTA pages would reveal this. Now, what is the point of paying so much for a Google device? There isn't much point to it since Google routinely discounts their devices, beginning about a month after launch. After all it's just a smartphone. However, the people who tend to purchase Pixels are early adopters or people wanting Android as Google intended it, unaltered by a device manufacturer or carrier. I fall into the second category, as I waited six months before buying mine.

Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
Much hyperbole here.
Last month, Google if I recall correctly went off script and released the factory images and OTA updates for the Pixel devices on the first of the month, rather than the first Tuesday of the month. So no, Google hasn't forgotten the Pixels and just looking at the factory image or OTA pages would reveal this. Now, what is the point of paying so much for a Google device? There isn't much point to it since Google routinely discounts their devices, beginning about a month after launch. After all it's just a smartphone. However, the people who tend to purchase Pixels are early adopters or people wanting Android as Google intended it, unaltered by a device manufacturer or carrier. I fall into the second category, as I waited six months before buying mine.
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No sir not really. I'm talking about features as well as updates. One plus got it before pixels last month if I'm not wrong.
I think people buy Pixel because of the get the updates first, new features by Google first, has an amazing camera, stock Android and many more reasons. The reason is not just limited to stock Android. Also every manufacturer discounts their phones over the time. Google is no different and of course pixels don't have the success Google hoped. There are so many reasons for that. Anyway that's a topic for another day

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No sir not really. I'm talking about features as well as updates. One plus got it before pixels last month if I'm not wrong.
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You're wrong. Your post is hyperbole because of it.
100rabh7791 said:
I think people buy Pixel because of the get the updates first, new features by Google first, has an amazing camera, stock Android and many more reasons. The reason is not just limited to stock Android. Also every manufacturer discounts their phones over the time. Google is no different and of course pixels don't have the success Google hoped. There are so many reasons for that. Anyway that's a topic for another day
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Your opinion is noted. Having owned Google devices for four years now the updates are a big part of it, but the other part of it is having Android as Google intended it. Note, I do NOT say "stock" because Pixel devices are skinned and have their own UI not found in AOSP.

Which feature are you talking about?

blacklisted.rock said:
Which feature are you talking about?
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It's in the title of the thread.

Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
You're wrong. Your post is hyperbole because of it.
Your opinion is noted. Having owned Google devices for four years now the updates are a big part of it, but the other part of it is having Android as Google intended it. Note, I do NOT say "stock" because Pixel devices are skinned and have their own UI not found in AOSP.
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Okay agreed lol to some extent. I might be over reacting probably because i liked the ambient mode so much.
Yeah true not stock but Google version of Android. But will have to wait for this feature to come to Pixel devices now as Google said somewhere in future they will provide it. Doesn't make any sense to me though

blacklisted.rock said:
Which feature are you talking about?
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Check this out
https://www.androidpolice.com/2019/...on-more-phones-brings-smart-display-features/
Would like to know your thoughts about it as well.

100rabh7791 said:
Check this out
https://www.androidpolice.com/2019/...on-more-phones-brings-smart-display-features/
Would like to know your thoughts about it as well.
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Pixel 4 = NEW PHONE, latest security updates and features before other new phones
Pixel 2 = 2 YEAR OLD PHONE, latest security updates and features before other 2 year old phones
So they haven't forgot us.

lywyn said:
Pixel 4 = NEW PHONE, latest security updates and features before other new phones
Pixel 2 = 2 YEAR OLD PHONE, latest security updates and features before other 2 year old phones
So they haven't forgot us.
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Isn't that obvious that Pixel is suppose to get all these updates first but things are changing and i was talking about this ambient feature.

100rabh7791 said:
Isn't that obvious that Pixel is suppose to get all these updates first but things are changing and i was talking about this ambient feature.
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Your Pixel is 2 years old, I think the Pixel 3 owners should be first in line to moan they are not getting things new phones get

lywyn said:
Your Pixel is 2 years old, I think the Pixel 3 owners should be first in line to moan they are not getting things new phones get
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So what ?? I mean if it was some other OEM i wouldn't really be bothered, Google competes with ios. So the standards should be same.
Lets moan together lol but i heard 3xl got the Live caption as well, which is really good. I wish 2xl gets it maybe sometimes in the future.

RIP updates

Well, the device will only get up to Android 12.
9to5Google: Opinion: Samsung can’t justify $1,400 prices when major OS updates are limited to 2 years.
https://9to5google.com/2020/03/04/samsung-os-updates-problem/

By buying an Android device, you must already expect shorter software support, the longest support I know is up to 3 years (Pixels and OnePlus). 2 years with 2 major OS upgrade is already lucky, others in the mid and low range tier is usually 1 year and is super lucky enough if they get one major OS upgrade.

king3opobn said:
Well, the device will only get up to Android 12.
9to5Google: Opinion: Samsung can’t justify $1,400 prices when major OS updates are limited to 2 years.
https://9to5google.com/2020/03/04/samsung-os-updates-problem/
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Then don't buy it. Two years of OS feature updates and three (total) of security updates isn't terrible. That's less than $40 a month, or what many pay for coffee or video games a month. If phones are your hobby or your job, it's not that expensive compared to what others spend on their hobbies.

9to5 Google only recommend Pixel phones and some of them use iPhone full time, so I don't take this very seriously.
As far as Android 12 goes, yeah, another year of update would have been great but I never keep phones for a full year and most people upgrade either yearly or every 2 years... However, for a $1400 ultra phone users should get more than we get on other phones.

This phone is the beast everyone has been asking for for years. It should be expensive. 2 major updates for a phone is average if not above unless you have an iphone. I've had the ultra for 2 days and fully expected to return it and keep my p4xl but I think I'm hooked. It is awesome. The buds came today and they are great. I won't even try to describe them - need to try for yourself. It isn't for everyone but it is some good stuff.

le0.br4zuc4 said:
9to5 Google only recommend Pixel phones and some of them use iPhone full time, so I don't take this very seriously.
As far as Android 12 goes, yeah, another year of update would have been great but I never keep phones for a full year and most people upgrade either yearly or every 2 years... However, for a $1400 ultra phone users should get more than we get on other phones.
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They used to update more than just 2 Android versions, 11 is almost out and 12 will be coming qiickly after that. 9to5 is not the only source, it was an official Samsung announcement and many news sites are taking about it,
https://www.androidcentral.com/samsungs-2020-flagships-will-only-get-major-updates-till-android-12

_Dennis_ said:
Then don't buy it. Two years of OS feature updates and three (total) of security updates isn't terrible. That's less than $40 a month, or what many pay for coffee or video games a month. If phones are your hobby or your job, it's not that expensive compared to what others spend on their hobbies.
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Ok, i didn't ask you what i should do.

It's pretty much planned obselesence at its finest, most companies do it as a business strategy to get more money. It's scummy, but it is what it is when you live in a capitalist society.
As for apple supporting up to 5 years, I doubt that's hard for them considering iOS 13 design looks the same as iOS 7, just icon changes, control center and notification center UI changes. If anything, their yearly updates are incremental at best.
Whereas if you compare Android in the past 6 years, it has come very with major changes every year.

1. If you're a techie buying an Ultra, you'll probably replace the phone before Android 13.
2. You know this before buying one. If updates are that important, you could buy a Pixel or iPhone.
3. Android updates aren't game changing anymore. Each year, updates become like bug fixes and battery tweaks than anything else. Until a major visual overhaul is done, there's little to gain.

aroy97 said:
It's pretty much planned obselesence at its finest, most companies do it as a business strategy to get more money. It's scummy, but it is what it is when you live in a capitalist society.
As for apple supporting up to 5 years, I doubt that's hard for them considering iOS 13 design looks the same as iOS 7, just icon changes, control center and notification center UI changes. If anything, their yearly updates are incremental at best.
Whereas if you compare Android in the past 6 years, it has come very with major changes every year.
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Additionally, an OS update to a device that has neither the RAM or the storage to effectively run modern apps is pretty pointless unless you are a completely casual user anyway. You can limp along with basic apps on a 5-year-old iPhone, and there are plenty of people out there who that's good enough for them. A lot of families hand their old phones down through their kids and older relatives, which is pretty much the only reason Apple does this - it spreads out their user base to new people who buy services and hardware later. Remember, they make license money on even a new lightning cable.
FWIW to the OP, Samsung is still doing quarterly security updates on the Galaxy S7 as of this post, so you may not be getting a new OS update, but they are NOT abandoning their flagship devices.

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Ok, i didn't ask you what i should do.
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And I didn't ask you to pay a comment in the forums about things we all already know.
Guess we can assume that because this is an open forum we can both post whatever we want as long as it is within the rules, yeah?

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And I didn't ask you to pay a comment in the forums about things we all already know.
Guess we can assume that because this is an open forum we can both post whatever we want as long as it is within the rules, yeah?
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Nobody asked you to click in this post and read. This is new news for Samsung, so don't BS that you already knew....and this is the news section, m***n.

So instead of 3 versions of Android, as usual from Samsung, we are only getting 2 more upgrades from now on. International version sounds better for me right now.

king3opobn said:
Nobody asked you to click in this post and read. This is new news for Samsung, so don't BS that you already knew....and this is the news section, m***n.
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How is 2 years updates plus an extra year of security update new news?
https://androidcommunity.com/samsun...r-update-policy-for-new-smartphones-20200305/
See, will not change? Nothing new.
From last year
https://www.sammobile.com/samsung/android-10-update
So try again.
As for clicking, no one forced you to read or respond to my post either, it goes both ways.
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So instead of 3 versions of Android, as usual from Samsung, we are only getting 2 more upgrades from now on. International version sounds better for me right now.
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It's always been 2 major version updates.

No, the usual is many more updats than 2, just like s7 released with Android 6, and got Android 9

News that Android 8 is not getting Android 10 is part of this same change that Samsung is making.

king3opobn said:
No, the usual is many more updats than 2, just like s7 released with Android 6, and got Android 9
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Are you sure the S7 received Android 9 (Pie)? Because your picture only shows up to Android 8 (Oreo) and this questions if it will get 9 (https://www.gottabemobile.com/5-things-to-know-about-the-galaxy-s7-android-pie-update/amp/)

He (intentionally?) confused the Android version with Samsung Experience version...
The S7 never made it beyond Android 8 and won't receive any further OS upgrade.

king3opobn said:
Well, the device will only get up to Android 12.
9to5Google: Opinion: Samsung can’t justify $1,400 prices when major OS updates are limited to 2 years.
https://9to5google.com/2020/03/04/samsung-os-updates-problem/
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Do you keep a phone got more than two years or so you upgrade? I'd say about 90% of people upgrade, certainly the ones on XDA

who keeps their flagship for more than 2 years?!