Hello Developers, fellow users. I am Sam and I'd like to point out something that has been happening everywhere for years but it gets ignored.
I've been using Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 since when it was released in India and I was a XDA member even before that! Previously I had a Samsung Galaxy flagship phone.
Guys, all we've been doing is chasing our tails. Let me tell you why I say this. It starts with using MiUi and getting bored, then eventually Stock Android/AOSP ROMs are made (Of course because of the hard work the developers put in). We use them, they work really good, and their bugs are fewer.
However, as soon as there's a "Newer Version" of Android released, everthing else is left in the dust and forgotten!
Here's what I want to ask anyone and everyone who would answer it......
Why do we chase something that isn't even released for our device? What's the rush?
It started with Marshmallow release.
There were good lollipop ROMs and Marshmallow did not come out for our device, but nevertheless, the process started. Okay, but by the time when some good Marshmallow ROMs were being made, Nougat gets released and all hell breaks loose, "AGAIN"!!! Once more, the process started. And again on the verge of having some good Nougat ROMs, "Oreo is released"? Please see the pattern here!!
Now, we know that Nougat might never be made available, officially, for kenzo.
My point is we haven't had a bug free ROM with good signals, ever!
Not in any version of Android!!
I urge the developers to consider, even partnering up, for making a good and bug free "Marshmallow ROM", Nougat Rom before moving on to OREO
@Demon_sss @TheStrix @xyxx @GreekDragon @PhenomX1998 @psndna88 @abhishek987 @TheDarkStrix @Umang96 @jhenrique09 @AmolAmrit @wight554 @dadi11 @poad42 @O_dinochka @minz1 @Ashish94 @ValoXis @flar2 @rocknegi @srisurya95 @Sudeep Duhoon @EsromG5
@scrubjay55
I make no demands guys, but more people than just me will be obliged if this becomes something real!
Mr.Diligent said:
Why do we chase something that isn't even released for our device? What's the rush?
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Cuz, this is XDA, dude!
Bored of MIUI is the basis for discussion? I'm in support of all devs I'm happy the way they progressed starting from Marshmallow & now we have stable Nougat where as Xiaomi is abandoning older devices.
Regarding the network strength there's not a huge difference between MIUI & Custom roms imo.
You have two choices try taking this to the next level of Xiaomi executives or never buy MI devices.
Sent from my Redmi Note 3 using Tapatalk
Umm, Oh...Kay....!!
VaibhavKumar07 said:
Bored of MIUI is the basis for discussion? I'm in support of all devs I'm happy the way they progressed starting from Marshmallow & now we have stable Nougat where as Xiaomi is abandoning older devices.
Regarding the network strength there's not a huge difference between MIUI & Custom roms imo.
You have two choices try taking this to the next level of Xiaomi executives or never buy MI devices.
Sent from my Redmi Note 3 using Tapatalk
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1. The basis of this discussion is, actually, the love for stock Android. Not only we get bored of MiUi but also by using TouchWiz, Flyme etc. Okay!!
2. No we don't have stable ROMs yet, not really!!
3. It's strategy to abandon older devices that Xiaomi also follows, nothing odd about it!
So, in short,
I thank thou for your UNvaluable inputs here!!
I think AOSIP by shrisurya is almost complete nougat ROM with best signals and stability.RR,nitrogen,los are pretty strong ones too,so no problem in focusing on developing Oreo ones.just a rookie's thought.
Mr.Diligent said:
1. The basis of this discussion is, actually, the love for stock Android. Not only we get bored of MiUi but also by using TouchWiz, Flyme etc. Okay!!
2. No we don't have stable ROMs yet, not really!!
3. It's strategy to abandon older devices that Xiaomi also follows, nothing odd about it!
So, in short,
I thank thou for your UNvaluable inputs here!!
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I would rather ignore you at this point but let me answer :
> If you love stock android that's k but bored of MIUI? Do you have a life or just keep staring at your phone lmao, if you give valid reasons like performance, battery life etc that's acceptable.
> We don't have stable roms yet? all Nougat roms are stable for usage in real life i.e. Network, Battery life, No lags or FCs , Theme support, Security patches etc
> Are you talking about strategy with me? Kid, in this case a device that has millions of users and had success there's a lot more to expect in terms of software updates. Abandoning a device with such popularity just after a year is a terrible decision.
Mr.Diligent said:
2. No we don't have stable ROMs yet, not really!!
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Nougat ROMs are already plenty stable. Never experienced any bugs with the ROM I'm using for about 2 months now. Signal quality is the same with MIUI on mine. Using Desolation ROM by the way.
I think the 'Geek' in you is sleeping, you just need to wake him up and you will get the answer to your question.
This is positive post, No offence offered to anyone guys!!
Blueshark17 said:
I think AOSIP by shrisurya is almost complete nougat ROM with best signals and stability.RR,nitrogen,los are pretty strong ones too,so no problem in focusing on developing Oreo ones. Just a rookie's thought.
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Yeah 5.9 build of AoSIP is good for signals not much else though! None of the rest, i.e. including the newer version of the AoSIP, are even comparable with Global Stock Rom for kenzo!
bloodytolits said:
Nougat ROMs are already plenty stable. Never experienced any bugs with the ROM I'm using for about 2 months now. Signal quality is the same with MIUI on mine. Using Desolation ROM by the way.
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Okay, regarding the signal quality, no, it most unequivocally, isn't even as good as that of An MiUi Rom!
VaibhavKumar07 said:
I would rather ignore you at this point but let me answer :
> If you love stock android that's k but bored of MIUI? Do you have a life or just keep staring at your phone lmao, if you give valid reasons like performance, battery life etc that's acceptable.
> We don't have stable roms yet? all Nougat roms are stable for usage in real life i.e. Network, Battery life, No lags or FCs , Theme support, Security patches etc
> Are you talking about strategy with me? Kid, in this case a device that has millions of users and had success there's a lot more to expect in terms of software updates. Abandoning a device with such popularity just after a year is a terrible decision.
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You're aware that people have their own choices right, also most of us are here because, even if we don't hate/get bored of Miui, We at least don't like/prefer MiUi as much, which includes you too!
1. Also battery is the most....
You know what, I know you can't help me man!
I'm not interested in this stupid quarrel!
So, it's now an EOC with you Vaibhav!
Mr.Diligent said:
Yeah 5.9 build of AoSIP is good for signals not much else though! None of the rest, i.e. including the newer version of the AoSIP, are even comparable with Global Stock Rom for kenzo!
Okay, regarding the signal quality, no, it most unequivocally, isn't even as good as that of An MiUi Rom!
You're aware that people have their own choices right, also most of us are here because, even if we don't hate/get bored of Miui, We at least don't like/prefer MiUi as much, which includes you too!
1. Also battery is the most....
You know what, I know you can't help me man!
I'm not interested in this stupid quarrel!
So, it's now an EOC with you Vaibhav!
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Thread reported , you're just here to grab attention & get some likes.
On my Ignore list already.
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Off you go.....
VaibhavKumar07 said:
Thread reported, I'm just here to grab attention & get some likes.
Sent from my Redmi Note 3 using Tapatalk
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Wait, wait, wait.... Do you do this more often?
Something tells me that you always say:
"Thread reported"!
Is this what you do? Do you ruin others' threads by engaging in pointless back to back comments?
Well I reported you as well!
Admin before removing my genuine thread, kindly check this guy out!
Mr.Diligent said:
Wait, wait, wait.... Do you do this more often?
Something tells me that you always say:
"Thread reported"!
Is this what you do? Do you ruin others' threads by engaging in pointless back to back comments?
Well I reported you as well!
Admin before removing my genuine thread, kindly check this guy out!
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To be fair, your thread is actually pointless/stupid. It's just ranting. You claim there are no stable Nougat, yet there are a lot here that says otherwise. Your definition of stable is suspect here. Probably, stable = perfect.
It's easy to check if signal strength really is better in MIUI. Flash MIUI, put your phone down somewhere then take note of the signal strength(dbm and asu not the signal bar) with several second intervals for several minutes(until you're satisfied) then do the same for the other ROM you want. Mine showed no difference. The only thing better with MIUI was camera quality.
I am using Nitrogen OS nougat for quite some time now, and I must say it's totally stable, never faced any problem till now. And I have even compared the dBm and asu with miui roms, and there's no difference practically, and there's no call drops or poor call quality issues also. You can definitely give it try, I don't know what else you mean by stable.
bloodytolits said:
To be fair, your thread is actually pointless/stupid. It's just ranting. You claim there are no stable Nougat, yet there are a lot here that says otherwise. Your definition of stable is suspect here. Probably, stable = perfect.
It's easy to check if signal strength really is better in MIUI. Flash MIUI, put your phone down somewhere then take note of the signal strength(dbm and asu not the signal bar) with several second intervals for several minutes(until you're satisfied) then do the same for the other ROM you want. Mine showed no difference. The only thing better with MIUI was camera quality.
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Try this mate with HDR+ on Gcam > MIUI cam https://forum.xda-developers.com/redmi-note-3/themes/google-camera-hdr-60fps-t3656675
Mr.Diligent said:
Hello Developers, fellow users. I am Sam and I'd like to point out something that has been happening everywhere for years but it gets ignored.
I've been using Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 since when it was released in India and I was a XDA member even before that! Previously I had a Samsung Galaxy flagship phone.
Guys, all we've been doing is chasing our tails. Let me tell you why I say this. It starts with using MiUi and getting bored, then eventually Stock Android/AOSP ROMs are made (Of course because of the hard work the developers put in). We use them, they work really good, and their bugs are fewer.
However, as soon as there's a "Newer Version" of Android released, everthing else is left in the dust and forgotten!
Here's what I want to ask anyone and everyone who would answer it......
Why do we chase something that isn't even released for our device? What's the rush?
It started with Marshmallow release.
There were good lollipop ROMs and Marshmallow did not come out for our device, but nevertheless, the process started. Okay, but by the time when some good Marshmallow ROMs were being made, Nougat gets released and all hell breaks loose, "AGAIN"!!! Once more, the process started. And again on the verge of having some good Nougat ROMs, "Oreo is released"? Please see the pattern here!!
Now, we know that Nougat might never be made available, officially, for kenzo.
My point is we haven't had a bug free ROM with good signals, ever!
Not in any version of Android!!
I urge the developers to consider, even partnering up, for making a good and bug free "Marshmallow ROM", Nougat Rom before moving on to OREO
@Demon_sss @TheStrix @xyxx @GreekDragon @PhenomX1998 @psndna88 @abhishek987 @TheDarkStrix @Umang96 @jhenrique09 @AmolAmrit @wight554 @dadi11 @poad42 @O_dinochka @minz1 @Ashish94 @ValoXis @flar2 @rocknegi @srisurya95 @Sudeep Duhoon @EsromG5
@scrubjay55
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Mr.Diligent said:
I make no demands guys, but more people than just me will be obliged if this becomes something real!
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But you are being demanding. You said yourself, you have been a member here for a long time. So why not do it yourself? Contribute instead of expecting others to do it for you. After all, that IS what this site is for. Developers.
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Hi,
Is it worth updating to Pie for the 3gb+32gb variant? Don't want to loose the call recording feature so avoiding it. Any bugs or something?
How can we decide if it is worthy? We dont know all your needs. Read Pie threads here on the forum - there are lots of information which can help you decide if pros are bigger than cons. Personally - I am staying with Oreo.
Pjetkovic said:
How can we decide if it is worthy? We dont know all your needs. Read Pie threads here on the forum - there are lots of information which can help you decide if pros are bigger than cons. Personally - I am staying with Oreo.
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Me too. Pie, in its present version screams "AVOID ME"!
Pjetkovic said:
How can we decide if it is worthy? We dont know all your needs. Read Pie threads here on the forum - there are lots of information which can help you decide if pros are bigger than cons. Personally - I am staying with Oreo.
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Cookie Ninja said:
Me too. Pie, in its present version screams "AVOID ME"!
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TBH Oreo or Pie don't matter to me besides the fact that with Pie call recording feature will go kaput, I still don't know why Google is doing this atleast in my country there is no law against recording a conversation. Coming to my question, what I meant was are there any bugs or something in Pie as most people are saying to avoid Pie without giving any reason for the same.
Bump....
I'm in a position where I could trade in my Oneplus 6T for a 9T.I like the 9T for it's cameras,bigger battery, fingerprint and feel it would be a useful trade for me, but.
Oneplus is so good with OTAs and open betas
I would probably miss that if I moved
What's Xiaomi like for updates ?
Specifically ,are there any Beta programs
Read somewhere they've stopped global betas
So then you only have something like quarterly updates,
Is that correct ?
I'd flash the eu Version (has no bloatware) and they push weekly updates
manus31 said:
I'm in a position where I could trade in my Oneplus 6T for a 9T.I like the 9T for it's cameras,bigger battery, fingerprint and feel it would be a useful trade for me, but.
Oneplus is so good with OTAs and open betas
I would probably miss that if I moved
What's Xiaomi like for updates ?
Specifically ,are there any Beta programs
Read somewhere they've stopped global betas
So then you only have something like quarterly updates,
Is that correct ?
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China beta updates every week and xiaomi.eu debloats It and adds language support, so of you're confortable with modding (you don't lose your warranty of you unlock the bootloader) and want a taste of MIUI, you can use Xiaomi.eu beta ROM (most certainly First build Will come out tomorrow morning)
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China beta updates every week and xiaomi.eu debloats It and adds language support, so of you're confortable with modding (you don't lose your warranty of you unlock the bootloader) and want a taste of MIUI, you can use Xiaomi.eu beta ROM (most certainly First build Will come out tomorrow morning)
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Seems like the best option alrite,been hearing good things about them,little bit more effort though but worth considering.
manus31 said:
Seems like the best option alrite,been hearing good things about them,little bit more effort though but worth considering.
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Yes, unfortunely this Is the worst thing about Xiaomi, software, that's One of the reasons why It Is so cheap, luckily enough there are plenty of devs willing ti build custom ROMs and patch GSI images for Xiaomi devices
there is no xeu beta rom for k20/mi9t. only stable.
and there is for k20pro/mi9t pro. i am also little disappointed , but even if xiaomi wil stop global beta program, why there are beta roms for others for example mi9se, as i metion already k20pro, why no for me 9t/k20
If we could get Lineage OS for Redmi 7a and a good working GCAM then this phone for 6400(INR)/90$ is absolute amazing for an average person as daily driver.
As long as you're not a hardcore gamer. This is good enough for You.
Is there any dev working on it?
keenofhiphop said:
Hello,
waiting for my model currently
As to the question about when there will be custom roms - the phone was announced only months ago and we will need to wait until it spreads in usage to someone able to develop and maintain custom roms for it. Or some developer not in possession of the device does it, but these projects - in my experience - often lack quality and support.
However the device is globally available (afaik) and extremely attractive with its low price tag while overall good specs, so it's gotta be only a matter of (imo short) time until the userbase has grown so much that some people will put together something...
And yes, I also like to see some roms on it for data security reasons - surely not the only one .
P.S.: watch this if you want to know why it is so cheap
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Can only repeat.
I strolled through a russian forum a while back, they seemed to have a few things up like TWRP, but no sight of a ROM.
Unfortunately I don't know where the chinese forums are at but may take a look at chinese official mi forum later.
keenofhiphop said:
Can only repeat.
I strolled through a russian forum a while back, they seemed to have a few things up like TWRP, but no sight of a ROM.
Unfortunately I don't know where the chinese forums are at but may take a look at chinese official mi forum later.
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Thank YOU!
I'm passing my Mi 9T on to my better half in the next week or two and looking to find out which ROM will have the longest support and security updates.
I'm currently running Pixel Experience (May release) which hasn't been updated by me in a long time, I see there are 2x forks/version of this now as well as a picsel inexperience.
I see these as the options:
- Stock MIUI - not a fan myself
- Xiaomi.ue - found this good on other devices
- Pixel Experience or one of the spin of versions- will it be supported for another 1-2 years?
- ExtendedUI - I found this better than PE+ but support got dropped until very recently
- Lineage - Long time since I used LOS but has been good and I see good feedback.
I know there are others such as Havoc and MSM which seem popular but I know little about those if I'm honest.
Looking for a rom with long term support, good battery for browsing youtube, listening to podcasts and general browsing. I'm inclined to go with PE+ or ExtendedUI but looking for opinions on what others might suggest is as a good alternative?
BJozi said:
I'm passing my Mi 9T on to my better half in the next week or two and looking to find out which ROM will have the longest support and security updates.
I'm currently running Pixel Experience (May release) which hasn't been updated by me in a long time, I see there are 2x forks/version of this now as well as a picsel inexperience.
I see these as the options:
- Stock MIUI - not a fan myself
- Xiaomi.ue - found this good on other devices
- Pixel Experience or one of the spin of versions- will it be supported for another 1-2 years?
- ExtendedUI - I found this better than PE+ but support got dropped until very recently
- Lineage - Long time since I used LOS but has been good and I see good feedback.
I know there are others such as Havoc and MSM which seem popular but I know little about those if I'm honest.
Looking for a rom with long term support, good battery for browsing youtube, listening to podcasts and general browsing. I'm inclined to go with PE+ or ExtendedUI but looking for opinions on what others might suggest is as a good alternative?
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LOS
Just my two cents. As little as I like Miui, I have the feeling that the only rom that's going to be maintained long-term for this phone is the stock rom.
I wouldn't rely on any rom by a third party at this point: most developers end up abandoning their projects sooner or later, and the label "official" is being given to projects with more indulgence than in the past. I think you'd be better off with the stock rom customized to your liking, especially if the person who's going to use it is not that interested in installing an alternative system (something which they can always do in the future anyway).
epraes said:
Just my two cents. As little as I like Miui, I have the feeling that the only rom that's going to be maintained long-term for this phone is the stock rom.
I wouldn't rely on any rom by a third party at this point: most developers end up abandoning their projects sooner or later, and the label "official" is being given to projects with more indulgence than in the past. I think you'd be better off with the stock rom customized to your liking, especially if the person who's going to use it is not that interested in installing an alternative system (something which they can always do in the future anyway).
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The person using it will just use the phone, I'll probably end up doing the updates if there are any, they are not tech savy. For this reason I also think along the same lines about MIUI.
I've really enjoyed using PE+ and ExtendedUI before it, in either case development stalled and both have resumed again more recently.
I have wondered about the "Official" label given to roms and it's meaning, LOS is the only one I'm aware of with some sort of clout behind them?
Maybe I'll stick to MIUI, the question then becomes which version (global presumably) or should I look at Xiaomi.EU?
I think, if you stick to Miui, the best is to stick to the version that came with your phone. There's very little difference anyway. I don't know about xiaomi.eu, I have never tried it, but it's basically Miui with some bells and whistles.
As for the label "official", people associate this label with well-maintained ROMs in terms of both stability and features. But this is not always the case: there are official ROMs these days which are anything but stable, and conversely unofficial ROMs which are very well maintained. I wouldn't rely too much on it.
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I think, if you stick to Miui, the best is to stick to the version that came with your phone. There's very little difference anyway. I don't know about xiaomi.eu, I have never tried it, but it's basically Miui with some bells and whistles.
As for the label "official", people associate this label with well-maintained ROMs in terms of both stability and features. But this is not always the case: there are official ROMs these days which are anything but stable, and conversely unofficial ROMs which are very well maintained. I wouldn't rely too much on it.
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You've almost convinced me on going back to stock MIUI for her, I might have a look at Xiaomi.eu as I did like this in the past but it will depend on how frequently there are updates for the Mi 9T.
I hear what you're saying about the custom roms and official status.