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No SDCARD slot for windows7 phones

FAIL ! major

Double fail!
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First offerings are typically missing things found on more robust devices. Think of the original iPhone--no native apps, MMS, GPS, copy/paste, multitasking, camera, 3G, etc. or the G1 or whatever.
Both iOS and Android started out on devices that were missing a lot of common features but now they are top of the line. I'm more interested in how WP7 looks in a year or two.

I think times have changed. WP7 has to be fully featured now. Smartphones are here, they are mainstream, and they are big business.
Turns out this information might not be correct just yet, here's what I found:
Here's what one can read on Microsoft's Windows Phone 7 portal:
“Some Windows Phones have a Secure Digital (SD) card that's used to expand the amount of storage space on the phone. If your phone has one, it's in an SD card slot underneath the battery cover on the back of your phone.
Windows Phone uses a special high–performance SD card that works differently than SD cards in other devices. When your phone is built and first set up, its internal storage and SD card are combined and recognized as one storage system.
Warning
You should not remove the SD card in your phone or replace it with a new one because your Windows Phone won't work properly. Existing data on the phone may be lost, and that SD card can't be used in other devices or Windows Phones.”
It kind of sounds like they just want to keep people from jailbreaking/flashing/rooting their phones, but maybe it's what they say.

http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-shows-off-10-new-windows-phone-7-devices
i take that back so far only 1 phone had a sdcard slot its the Focus all others are packing 16gigs of internal space

Windows Phone 7 has both good and bad, but to be honest, I like it a whole lot better in it's first release than I did with Android when it was first released.
One thing I like a lot, which I know a lot will disagree with, is (some of) the hardware standards. All WP7 phones, as far as I can tell, run the same old generation Snapdragon in the EVO (and even further back to 2009, the HD2). Yet the games and UI look great and run smooth. Having a standard level of specs means that it is easier to build a OS that will run as intended on all devices. With Android it's hit or miss; get a entry level Android phone and things will draaaaggg, get a high end phone without the latest and greatest CPU/GPU (EVO) and things will still not be 100% smooth. Google just can't optimize the experience for all these devices like Microsoft can -- and don't forget as a licensed OS, dev support comes attached.
The SD card thing is CERTAINLY LAME, I mean, what does that achieve? But the benefits to me are clear: WP7 will run smooth across the board; and with similar hardware and Microsoft support, updates will probably come A WHOLE LOT FASTER than what we get on Android.
I personally want to give WP7 a try, it's still missing a couple of important features (multi-tasking for third party media being the key thing). But the Office + Zune + Xbox Live integration looks better than anything comparable on Android, and as a designer who like smart minimalism, the Metro UI is perfect.
...and did you see the Touch Pro 7 coming to Sprint? That's the phone I was waiting for.

Award Tour said:
Windows Phone 7 has both good and bad, but to be honest, I like it a whole lot better in it's first release than I did with Android when it was first released.
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That would be impressive if windows hadn't been on cell phones for much longer than android.

uniquenameevo said:
That would be impressive if windows hadn't been on cell phones for much longer than android.
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Hmm.. Perhaps. Windows Mobile did almost everything Android does, only in a less intuitive/attractive way. Windows Phone 7 is an entirely different beast, and although the core is similar/upgraded, the UI/UX is entirely new. But still, there's no doubt that I'm interested.
Look at the TP7 for Sprint:
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SEXY. Keyboard to die for IMO.

no 4g or front facing camera. im good

Award Tour said:
Hmm.. Perhaps. Windows Mobile did almost everything Android does, only in a less intuitive/attractive way. Windows Phone 7 is an entirely different beast, and although the core is similar/upgraded, the UI/UX is entirely new. But still, there's no doubt that I'm interested.
Look at the TP7 for Sprint:
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SEXY. Keyboard to die for IMO.
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I'm not denying that it looks promising. I just was commenting that it's not the first entry into the mobile market. There has been a lot of trial and error to get there, just like every OS.

Upgradeable Memory COMFIRMED

I'm sure you all have read this, but if not, here you go: http://wpcentral.com/htc-surround-s-microsd-card-slot-probably-there-not-easy-get
The HTC Surround appears to have a microSD slot, but it's covered by a piece of metal as seen in the picture below:
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I'm personally not too concerned since 16GB seems like more than enough, but I'm sure people will be asking if it can be upgraded or not. We really won't know till someone tears into it which is more likely since it was released today.
*UPDATE*
I just came across this: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4015/htc-surround-review-pocket-boombox/8
It doesn't seem that difficult to get to actually, just a bit of disassembly required. It apparently comes with a SanDisk Class 4 16GB microSD card.

AT&T kills another great device! They also did it to the Tilt2 when they removed the 3.5 mm jack from that device. Somebody needs to fire an executive in that company.

T-Mobile did the same thing with the HTC HD7 but someone managed to swap cards and the HD7 worked with a 32GB microSD.

Stan City said:
AT&T kills another great device! They also did it to the Tilt2 when they removed the 3.5 mm jack from that device. Somebody needs to fire an executive in that company.
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Actually, It's not AT&T's fault. It's just that WP7 doesn't support swapping out memory yet, like say an Android phone.

Bought my surround today. ATT said there would be a patch comming out and not to insert a sd card yet....

The HTC Geek said:
Actually, It's not AT&T's fault. It's just that WP7 doesn't support swapping out memory yet, like say an Android phone.
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Yeah, we know you can't swap memory yet but the devices in Europe allows you to upgrade memory capacity before the 1st boot. AT&T choose to remove that option on the Surround not the Focus. AT&T's fault...

Just picked up my phone. Very solid device.

I got my surround yesterday, and so far, I am pleased.
Has anyone actually looked under that piece yet? A teardown of the Mozart revealed a similar metal piece that was not hiding a microSD card.
http://lifeinthefastlaneok.wordpress.com/2010/11/07/new-htc-7-mozart-sd-card-memory-upgrade/

Good find. I'm still waiting for mine, so someone else will have to dig into it.

Anybody care to break down their Surround?

Got my Surround 2 days ago
Nice phone, well built, the OS is slick with a lot of promise. Active tiles are slick, the Zune software on the phone & PC works great. In 2 days I managed to get back my BBC stream, got some video news, GPS is great, loaded some of my movies, set up my email, my contacts we transferred from my old sym at the AT&T store and I had no problems transferring them to the phone, and there are 100s of free apps already out and more coming every day. Pretty soon all of the developers will port over their apps and all will be fine again. Many apps use the GPS to find your area and cater what they deliver according to where you live. I paid $200 for it. I MAY have preferred to have the HD7, not sure since I haven't seen it and held it yet, but the Surround is really fine and if I decide to change or upgrade later on I wont lose anything. While we all get used to old habits and the way things work I thing this OS is an improvement and half the fun is setting up our toys the way we want them. Flash will be added to IE soon, upgrades will come from MS, we will be able to access the file system, more customizations will become available. The screen is twice the size of my Dash 3G. I am hoping an IRC client will be ported over soon since that is what I miss the most.

panflute said:
Nice phone, well built, the OS is slick with a lot of promise. Active tiles are slick, the Zune software on the phone & PC works great. In 2 days I managed to get back my BBC stream, got some video news, GPS is great, loaded some of my movies, set up my email, my contacts we transferred from my old sym at the AT&T store and I had no problems transferring them to the phone, and there are 100s of free apps already out and more coming every day. Pretty soon all of the developers will port over their apps and all will be fine again. Many apps use the GPS to find your area and cater what they deliver according to where you live. I paid $200 for it. I MAY have preferred to have the HD7, not sure since I haven't seen it and held it yet, but the Surround is really fine and if I decide to change or upgrade later on I wont lose anything. While we all get used to old habits and the way things work I thing this OS is an improvement and half the fun is setting up our toys the way we want them. Flash will be added to IE soon, upgrades will come from MS, we will be able to access the file system, more customizations will become available. The screen is twice the size of my Dash 3G. I am hoping an IRC client will be ported over soon since that is what I miss the most.
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I completley agree with everything you said. The only thing that kills me is the battery life. It is down right terrible. I dont fiddle too much with my phone as im usually too busy to do so, but when i do want to use it, seems like the battery is just not up to the task.

Tips & tricks
Have a look in the Windows 7 general discussion..there's a tips and tricks thread at the top that give you ways to lengthen battery life. There are quite a few things to do like time out the screen sooner, turn off geocaching, etc. It should help. So far I haven't seen any spare batteries for sale on Ebay but they will come. This is a GREAT phone.

Updated the first post.

I would, but:
1) Haven't bought it yet and
2) I'd probably end up breaking it.

I was going to buy a 32gb class 4 card (Kingston), but $100 is half the price of the phone and I couldn't justify it. I also loaded a decent amount of stuff on it and have 9.7gb left. I think I can hold off for a while till prices drop.

If you look at the teardown article further you will see that under the metal cover is a metal pad with foam and under that is a 16gb micro sd card. Not sure its worth it as someone pointed out it will cost a bit for a 32gb micro sd card and you will void any warranty. As for the post that said WP7 does not support changing cards out I thought one of the 3 phones with WP7 that AT&T sells had a removable sd card and onboard as well. That would make more sence that the drive with the ROM needs to static but if you have that the os should support a removable card its just that the surround does not have build in memory so the micro sd cannot be removed.

The Samsung Focus has an accessible microSD slot. I believe it also has 8gb internally.

Battery is for being "capable".

Why people buy phones with disgustingly crap batteries? Because manufacturers make them and people just accept it?
I am sick of hearing about phones weights differences in few grams, (our phone is thinner by 1 mm!!! -how sad) , about screens quality, about processors speeds, etc, and on.. Just because this is where all attention is?
What is use of it all if then users have to carry chargers wherever they go, they have to disable network modes, tweak performance, buy and run monitoring softwear, a lots of hassle JUST BECAUSE those manufacturers are jerks! Like there is problem to give proper large battery option to chose and we will see how market reacts?
I got phone from China with larger battery than you can get on any European market and I am finally happy, I don't worry about anything anymore.
On purpose I set everything to look nice, bright, run fast and never worry about any tweaks unless I suspect unhappiness from performance being somehow compromised, I do play games, I do use internet, I do stream and do other things without fear of not having more power for a call I may need to make. At end of day I have still 50% which will last next day easily.
BATTERY IS CRUCIAL PART OF THE PHONE. MUST NOT BE REDUCED IN PERFORMANCE IN ANY WAY (reducing size).
This is why we have smartphones to do many things quickly at any time instead switch all those cool features off, like everyday life was emergency situation for saving battery -ON DAILY BASIS?
P.S. some brands thinks I will carry second battery with me like I have a pocket and good will to open my phone and swap batteries??? really??? or taking ugly external USB-battery, swinging on cable while I am using my phone or looking ugly like second half of nadset to damage my USB socket with a time and have a patience to keep it charged -like a second device?
How ridiculous...

Battery performance actually did advance with processing technology over the years. It's not just sheer capacity that tripled, but efficiency became better. A top-end phone of today easily has 10 times more performance than a smartphone of 4 years back with so much bigger and higher-res screen not to mention extra antennas and extra ongoing processes, yet when HW/SW is properly balanced, it can last the same full day. Samsung and HTC are doing it right lately while Apple is particularly power-efficient, to expect anything more there has to be a battery tech revolution.
Much bigger manufacturer BS is storage capacity. A 64GB module hardly costs more than $20 for them and all gadgets should start with that going up to 256GB, but at least HTC is skipping the 16GB variant and you get a healthy space for starting price. You see they can't really put significantly bigger battery in a phone where they could put more storage in it, they just don't want to.

Are you specifically moaning about the HTC one or just phones in general? The one, in reviews, has been shown to perform admirably.

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/sigh

Along with battery, everything moved on and needs more resources.
Still, batteries could give us more freedom, especially now, when 4G is in use.
Their size should not be reduced.

No.

mass.w said:
Along with battery, everything moved on and needs more resources.
Still, batteries could give us more freedom, especially now, when 4G is in use.
Their size should not be reduced.
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hey - in all seriousness, i found what you need.
phone

it is general experience of few handset of different brands I had within last few years

you may believe I need your response more?

mass.w said:
it is general experience of few handset of different brands I had within last few years
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so why are you posting it in the HTC ONE FORUM
a phone that is not released, not thoroughly reviewed and YOU DO NOT OWN

by mistake, sorry.
however your replies were not even funny.
i suppose sure htc is not a leader regarding battery-exeperience

This is the version of android , i would like to run

I cannot post links . Please google Remix os
Ex-Googlers have created REMIX OS ,this is the android , i would like to run rather than BS phone os. If 3 people can do this , it means something is wrong with google.
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http://www.jide.com/en/mobile/remixos.html

damn if we could flash that on the nexus 9 that would be siiiick

my first impression is .... surface on android. 2GB ram makes me wonder though.

would be sweet if they sold (or gave it away) it as a separate OS so we could run it on any hardware.

Looks like Kickstarter is up...
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1123481999/remix-a-laptop-experience-on-a-big-android-tablet

I don't know how, but I was lucky enough to snag one of the $39 units. Looking forward to playing around with it.

Nice score ?
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So what you really want, is multi-window Android, and a launcher capable of showing running applications.
There are a number of 'hack' implementations of this idea, samsung has one, omnirom was working on one last year (haven't heard anything about it in a while), there is this "remix"... there is evidence that google themselves are working on it, but they are taking a more careful approach to it as the hardware Android runs on grows to make this feature more relevant. I sure can't see the use of it on a phone or TV, but a large tablet could benefit from it greatly, or a laptop.
For example, this commit to the Android window manager mentions multi-window: https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/baf6bef001a582fea275bf891294cf1fe9d5472e

The main thing I want is the multi window. I've gone back to my gn10.1 2014 for working out b/c constantly switching b/t google music and jefit was kinda getting on my nerves. Downside is that the gn10.1 speakers suck compared to the n9. Luckily best buy has the charge 2 on sale. almost got the UE but it seemed a but to trebley for my tastes, sounded clean though.

looks good. have nexus 9 with keyboard so the Remix OS would be cool on the Nexus 9.
No android 5.1.. no good multitasking.. supported kickstartar $1.

(If you haven't known about this yet)
You can now pledge $1 and get early access to Remix OS ROM for Nexus 9.
Source: https://liliputing.com/2015/04/jide-to-release-remix-os-custom-rom-for-nexus-9-nexus-10-tablets.html
Edit: I've also backed this up... with $1 lol

Well I'm backing this up and really looking forward to it...

This Rom is a bist, possibly doa. No customization, they have it locked down, no widgets, no app drawer and it has battery issues. Hopefully someone at xda gets a copy and can make it better than jide.

laziod said:
This Rom is a bist, possibly doa. No customization, they have it locked down, no widgets, no app drawer and it has battery issues. Hopefully someone at xda gets a copy and can make it better than jide.
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Where did you get this info? I would like to be a part of this group please...

I received my remix last Friday. From kickstarter. They should be opening up regular sales by the end of the month.

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I received my remix last Friday. From kickstarter. They should be opening up regular sales by the end of the month.
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Are the battery issues possibly not ROM related, but device? Curious how this will run on the n9. (If you mean you are using the RemixOS on the actual Jide tablet that is)

I have the tablet and it's a 8500 battery. I believe it's a software issue. They have a way to go on software development to make this a daily driver.

Anyone received the ROM for nexus 9? I haven't received any.

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Anyone received the ROM for nexus 9? I haven't received any.
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They only said May, but right now Jide is likely occupied with fixing their Ultra Tablet. Users are having bugs, and I can't imagine the $1 tier is a priority.
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New tablet after a Nexus 7? Here is a worthy successor!

Lenovo Tab 4 Plus
http://www.gsmarena.com/lenovo_tab_4_8_plus-8603.php
It's slightly bigger than the Nexus 7, but not so much by comparison, as you can see here from a side by side:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/vYDGB1BfzbWjhO9t2
Better specs, clean Android, beautiful screen and very, very well made hardware, with the additional Plus of having an SD-card slot. By now I am on my 4th Nexus 7, which I mainly use use for eBook reading and some casual gaming, but the problems with the USB slot and the easily defective memory are a nuisance and I have been on the market for an alternative for more than 3 years. The Tab 4 for me is that alternative.
I've had it for a couple of days now and while it is not wildly popular (yet), there is already TWRP available AND root through Magisk.
Finally a decent tablet with USB-C, nice hardware, very good screen time (basically sames as the Nexus 7) and an up to date Android version without significant bloatware (Except for Microsoft Office, which you can uninstall easily, since it's not a system app).
I hope to see a thriving community around this tablet; it's worth it and will please those who have been happy with their Nexus 7, but are looking for a more modern piece of hardware as a successor.

Lucky me I am still on the first one from day one ?
Just have to charge wireless since 6 month. Bud there is no factory Image coming so as long as custums are coming I am good to go. But the Lenovo looks promising

nvidia shield tablet....best

So this runs stock Android? If so, may be my next tablet.
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nvidia shield tablet....best
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its only got 2gb ram bit of a bottleneck these days right?

gfunkzero said:
its only got 2gb ram bit of a bottleneck these days right?
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I think 2gb is enough for games

AGREED!!!
When i first saw this, i thought, this is the only upgrade to my 4 year old nexus 7....but sadly lenovo did not launch the 4/64 version in India....i don't know what to buy now..iPad looks like the only choice

I'd suggest the Huawei T2 7.0 Pro. I have both it and the Nexus 7. The Huawei is lighter, smaller, better battery, slightly better CPU/GPU, Micro SD slot, fingerprint sensor.
Oh and it can take a micro sim and be used as a cell phone.
The only negatives:
Only works on 2.4ghz wifi
Android 5.01 only currently
No NFC
No wireless charging
Otherwise it is a worthy successor. There are tons of 8" tablets available but for sheer portability (and why the nexus 7 was so popular in the first place), the T2 is a viable option.
Huawei also had the Media Pad X2 7.0 which has far superior hardware but I have been unable to find one to purchase anywhere.
I also used the Nexus 7 primarily as an E-Reader (I have had it with junk E-Ink devices, kobo and kindle are garbage)
but my Nexus 7 has a stuck reboot loop issue if it powers down.
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its only got 2gb ram bit of a bottleneck these days right?
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Not only that, it's also got Micro-USB, not USB-C. Deal breaker.
Same goes for the Huawei, Micro USB.
The Lenovo is also availble in an LTE version. I don't need that, got a nice phone with an international contract as hotspot, so no more additional contracts for me, WiFi does the job for me.

The Lenovo does look like a solid device. For me the size though is a no go. Plus I have not seen it for sale anywhere in Canada. No clue what the supposed release date is.

What about superfish?

What tablets run stock Android or very close to? I want a tablet that will get new major Android releases.
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Pretty much only the Nexus 7 is stock.
That doesn't seem to matter though. Google discontinued updates on the Nexus 7 after Android 6.0.1.

Agree, and I see no sign of them releasing a new tablet anytime soon.
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Ya, I gave up waiting. Hence the Huawei that I have been using.

I just pulled mine out of the closet to check for updates and can't believe it still has a better screen then these Xiaomi phones I keep buying.

HatchetEgg said:
What about superfish?
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I have no idea what you are talking about.

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I have no idea what you are talking about.
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2015/02/19/superfish-need-to-know/#4dc6a76b3877

As bad as it's going to sound. I'm glad Apple is finally in the wireless charging game. Ya know they're likely to drop an iPad with it soon, and this may inspire the creation of other wireless charging tablets. It's really the only thing holding me back from replacing the Nexus 7 2013.

Mi max 2 ... Snapdragon...big battery..usb-c....not expensive
Minecraft story mode 2 is playable