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Looks like HTC is considering creating their own smartphone OS:
http://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=5814
Good idea or a bad one? I vote bad since it does nothing but dilute the market even further. And while their Sense UI on WinMo may be buggy because of the fact that it runs on top of WinMo, it's not encouraging to see that they haven't found a way to fix the problem with their text messaging app after all this time.
And who will write apps for that OS?
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Bad Idea.
Android is too new to just write it off at this point in the game. I know it has its issues, but I personally think it's the future.
Windows Phone 7 is brand-spankin' new. I don't like it, considering all that I've heard about it. Like how they plan to lock it down. But if they can get a decent app store up and running, they could be competing with Apple very quickly. Never count Microsoft out. Google made that mistake and now look at Bing.
iPhone OS 4.0: Apple pretty much just granted 90% of the wishes that people harbored. Sure, it's still locked down, but my friends swear by their iPhones. Personally, I can't stand 'em. I even gave my 2yo daughter my iPod Touch (2nd Gen), no joke.
Maemo and Nokia are now in bed together, which means that Android is in for a world of hurt, at least in Japan and Europe.
Too many cell phone manufacturers roll their own OS. This is always a problem with people like me, who want to be able to control their phones.
If HTC were to release the OS source code, I would be happy to give it a shot. Unfortunately that only happens when the OS is based on an already-open system, like Linux
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Ack, looks like I can't add it after I create it. Perhaps a mod can add it for me.
HTC is currently believed to be the leader in the pack of companies that are expressing interest in buying Palm, now that it's officially accepting offers.
WebOS is a great operating system just looking for some proper hardware and market penetration...and we all know who has plenty of both!
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HTC is currently believed to be the leader in the pack of companies that are expressing interest in buying Palm, now that it's officially accepting offers.
WebOS is a great operating system just looking for some proper hardware and market penetration...and we all know who has plenty of both!
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WebOS, under proper management and direction, and coupled with HTC's literal hardware design genius could be something I'd consider serious potential competition for Android.
Ah bless. It should eventually produce some truly boring phones. Nokia should have gone android IMO? We will have to wait a long time for a Nokia Nexus N!
If that means they drop Meego, they can have a kick in the nuts from me!!!!
If not i forgive them
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If that means they drop Meego, they can have a kick in the nuts from me!!!!
If not i forgive them
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Symbian and meego are to be 'sidelined' according to BBC news so a swift kick to the nuts is in order. They putting all their chips on MS.....what an exciting partnership. I am sure apple are already living in fear
I don't get it.
I think Microsoft is a mistake, but if it works out it will benefit both sides.
It will be interesting to see what this will yield.
On another Note I see Meego can run Dalvik Turbo.
It seems to be something similar to Wine for linux, but for Android on Meego.
Basically you can run Android apps seamlessly on Meego.
I want to post link but I can't yet. So the Source is Linuxfordevices.com
Title is: "Dalvik ported to MeeGo, promising instant Android app compatibility"
With this development, I think they should have stuck to what they were doing, and made a deal with google to allow Android Market on their Meego Phones.
I understand there would be some sort of premium for them to do that, but damn that would be awesome, it might have killed android.
As much as I love Maemo for it's Multitasking capabilities, I don't like the provided Market on it. Not to mention Qt for Meego.
I hope they still release a Meego device.
Peace.
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This is going to be interesting
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This decision definitively benefits Microsoft more than Nokia. MSFT gets a great handset maker with international market. Nokia gets.... a new OS. I think Android would have definitively been a better choice.
I just think this partnership will produce some very dull devices that are locked down to the extreme. Now if they put some good Xbox functionality in a device.....that might be interesting.
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Ah bless. It should eventually produce some truly boring phones. Nokia should have gone android IMO? We will have to wait a long time for a Nokia Nexus N!
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Yeah after i saw the news this morning i was like
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/11/us-nokia-elop-idUSTRE71A2T820110211
Nokia may you rest in peace
1979 - 2011
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Yeah after i saw the news this morning i was like
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/11/us-nokia-elop-idUSTRE71A2T820110211
Nokia may you rest in peace
1979 - 2011
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LOL I cannot pretend I will miss them while they rest in peace...its been a long time since I thought "Damn I wish I had that Nokia"
I disagree entirely (having come from an n900 to a Nexus s just one week ago).
I hope for great things on the Nokia experimental side, and will be rooting for Meego in any form factor..
Win Mobile looks OK, but it's not my kinda thing, i would rather Android/Meego/Maemo anyday!
Symbian was good in it's day, it's just a bit "old hat" ...it for me is hard to fathom how they could make that maemo device and then stick with symbian as a main platform, lost respect from me for that alone!
I hope to see them thrive though, even if i will not buy the win7 devices, ALL mobile companies (inc. google) could do with the kick up the arse that comes from competition, any competition, is good for us all i say!
nyway .. ramble over ....out with the meego allready!!
the only thing i want to see RIP, is fanboi's ...they suck (from apple or android, or any other brand)
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I just think this partnership will produce some very dull devices that are locked down to the extreme. Now if they put some good Xbox functionality in a device.....that might be interesting.
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I look at it this way:
When the iPhone was released it was absolutely, bar-none the best, easiest-to-use, most powerful smartphone on the market. It offered a device that anyone could jump into and use without much of a learning curve and as a result it gained a huge amount of market share. When the G1 launched it brought open-source and entirely different UI that allowed users to truly customize their phone experience. It took Google a bit longer but then started to take away from Apple's dominance. Now we have WP7 and I ask myself, what new or interesting features does it bring? You can't copy and paste, you can't customize it, you can't even add storage and the UI is basic and bland. I guess its sort of cool that it has the XBox live support, but that would only be a cool feature to XBox owners and I sold my XBox to get a PS3 because I was tired of paying Microsoft just to watch Netflix which I was already paying to watch. Besides, what is WP7 except Kin with a little more power? And I'm sure I don't need to explain how that worked out.
So to continue my line of thinking, Nokia made the wrong choice. I've seen no real sales figures on WP7 and I know one person who owns one and he happens to work for Microsoft. Actually, my sister's boyfriend who also works for Microsoft owns a Droid X so not even all their employees believe in the platform. Nokia is continuing its history of hitching itself to a wagon with a broken wheel. I was looking forward to Nokia Android devices but I won't lose any sleep over the loss and I won't lose any when they announce bankruptcy in a few months or years.
even the iPhones needs to accommodate the competition now
News: Apple Is Said to Work on Cheaper, Smaller IPhones
Nokia would have been way better off with Android
To us not in the Nokia boardroom it does seem a strange partnership. I mean we could all have told them that apple is king for most 'casual' phone users with android gaining general recognition and acceptance to. MS windows I really don't think will generate any excitement among the masses. Kev is right....what will they bring to the party? I guess accountants in crisp suits may be attracted to a windows device but would many under 25's be interested in MS office for mobile 2011?
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To us not in the Nokia boardroom it does seem a strange partnership. I mean we could all have told them that apple is king for most 'casual' phone users with android gaining general recognition and acceptance to. MS windows I really don't think will generate any excitement among the masses. Kev is right....what will they bring to the party? I guess accountants in crisp suits may be attracted to a windows device but would many under 25's be interested in MS office for mobile 2011?
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Lol agreed but my name is Ken not Kevin kenvan is my first and last name pushed together hehe
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Nokia's CEO(?) isn't going to eat his own words and use Android. That isn't the world we live in. Although I'm curious to see what they can bring to the table. I remember Nokia used to bring out some awesome phones, but now it's just either Android phones or Apple's iPhone that gets everyones attention.
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Nokia's CEO(?) isn't going to eat his own words and use Android. That isn't the world we live in. Although I'm curious to see what they can bring to the table. I remember Nokia used to bring out some awesome phones, but now it's just either Android phones or Apple's iPhone that gets everyones attention.
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But they have a new CEO who isn't the one who made the Android is like pissing yourself to stay warm comment. And you can't just say its just Android phones, because as a result of Android, the playing field has been leveled. People get excited over Motorola phones the same as LG or HTC or Samsung or any other brand.
I am glad Nokia picked Microsoft.
Really, this is the best outcome for us, Android users.
Why?
Because this will trigger more competition, which will result more innovation from Google Android and Apple iOS (major players on smartphone. No RIM is not )
Believe me, you should be thankful to Nokia and Microsoft.
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I am glad Nokia picked Microsoft.
Really, this is the best outcome for us, Android users.
Why?
Because this will trigger more competition, which will result more innovation from Google Android and Apple iOS (major players on smartphone. No RIM is not )
Believe me, you should be thankful to Nokia and Microsoft.
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I don't think Microsoft is much competition to either iOS or Android and I don't think either side sees them as such. Their market share, last I saw, was pathetic at best. I would prefer there was more hardware competition than software and another manufacturer pushing out high end hardware would have been just that.
kenvan19 said:
I don't think Microsoft is much competition to either iOS or Android and I don't think either side sees them as such. Their market share, last I saw, was pathetic at best. I would prefer there was more hardware competition than software and another manufacturer pushing out high end hardware would have been just that.
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exactly, i was really hoping to see some Nokia with Android love, but the moment they selected Microsoft... all hopes were gone.
I used to be a big Nokia fan, they always had the best hardware.
My apologies Ken I typed in haste. It certainly seems that poor Nokia has not inspired much enthusiasm. I am pleased not to own any Nokia shares...MS wont suffer half as much IF this strategy fails.
i wondered how long this would take... what do windows phone /nokia folks think of the looks of this ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tRZxM9rNyZ4
looks to me like wp8.5 / wp9 better reallllly be on it's game if it wants to solidify third place in 2013.
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Nice video
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i wondered how long this would take... what do windows phone /nokia folks think of the looks of this ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tRZxM9rNyZ4
looks to me like wp8.5 / wp9 better reallllly be on it's game if it wants to solidify third place in 2013.
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Really didn't see anything my WP doesn't do or even my WP7.......I would like to see more but nice video nonetheless
Only problems I see will be the hardware and distribution.
Otherwise it could be a home run.
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Am I wrong, or does the home screen pretty much look like BB10? It is nice looking and well designed, but doesn't seem especially functional. I'm sure BB10 will bring much more competition to WP8 than this will.
They should probably be hoping that someone like Samsung buys them out because I don't see how this thing will have any chance at success.
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Am I wrong, or does the home screen pretty much look like BB10? It is nice looking and well designed, but doesn't seem especially functional. I'm sure BB10 will bring much more competition to WP8 than this will.
They should probably be hoping that someone like Samsung buys them out because I don't see how this thing will have any chance at success.
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"bring competition to wp8" ?
third place is still up for grabs between meego/jolla, bb10, wpx, and whoever is still left.
keep in mind, this "thing" was started by the engineers of nokia, pre-elop'd nokia... remember them ?
annnnd, they built in the possiblity to run android apps, so their app market will be huge, immediately.
never underestimate the engineers.
more than anything I was curious what the wp folks that were impressed by tiles thought of the ui.
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Really didn't see anything my WP doesn't do or even my WP7.......I would like to see more but nice video nonetheless
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Agreed. the other perspective is, it will be doing everything your current ios/droid/wp7 or 8 does, in its very first release...
I wonder how well it handles resources and multitasks. looks smooth so far.
Its Meego engineers, multitasking will be amazing.
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Its a modded android. The square interface with photos and music has been around for some time now.
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Its a modded android. The square interface with photos and music has been around for some time now.
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I second this, you can even see the Android logo clear as day at the 0:50 mark.
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Its a modded android. The square interface with photos and music has been around for some time now.
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Lol
This does look cool, Caught sight few days ago, As far as I can tell it's Meego developers continuing their work after leaving Nokia, #sailfish , Can't see it being a threat to ios or Android but maybe to Wp depending on how the final relase pans out, All I can say is keep your eyes on jolla as it's certainly got potential.
It looks pretty cool, it has a nice distinctive visual style. Though the homescreen is really just a mix of WP live tiles with iOS icons docked at the bottom.
If Jolla secures solid hardware suppliers it will be in my pocket.
Too bad Elop didn't see past the windows logo.
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i wondered how long this would take... what do windows phone /nokia folks think of the looks of this ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tRZxM9rNyZ4
looks to me like wp8.5 / wp9 better reallllly be on it's game if it wants to solidify third place in 2013.
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What do I think? That's a complicated question. I can tell you how I feel:
Annoyed that they used a Nokia in their demo. Since they don't have anything to do with them anymore they should have used their own hardware. Especially since they have stated that there will be no official 950/N9 support.
Sad and melancholy since the N9 was the single best Mobile I've used in the last couple years. It was the last thing I felt that was truly, truly "Nokia". Man was the N9 good. And boy do I miss it since:
I feel tired and short tempered with Windows Phone. Already. Here's a thought for Microsoft: Instead of spending dollars and time on celebrity endorsements and dog and pony shows? Or quasi secret launches? Or useless crap like “kids corner" and “rooms"? You make live tiles actually work reliably, every time. Or have separate volume controls? Or fix the Wi-Fi timeout screen bug? Or actually build an IE that completes with Chrome and Safari for a Mobile device? VPN support? Or not have to take up valuable home screen space on a battery percentage application? That really cool lock screen app integration I have yet to see? A solution for notifications that should have launched with 7? You know: simple stuff that should have been supported out of the gate, at launch. If I read one more comment about it coming in an update I'll explode. Because I'm really wondering what they did with their time in between 7.5 and now.
I feel mystified with Nokia. How on earth can you release the 920 with such a fantastic, fantastic camera at low light and be so ridiculously bad at daylight shots. Seriously? How do you not get fired for this?
I have serious questions about the usability of Sailfish as a daily driver. But who knows:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtEbOGuxuig
I dunno man. I'm tired. I haven't slept and your question feels a bit mean spirited. Or maybe I just am reading into this more that I should. Or maybe, sitting at the edge of my dreams is a 920 running Meego and then Sailfish.
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What do I think?....
.....I have serious questions about the usability of Sailfish as a daily driver. But who knows:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtEbOGuxuig
I dunno man. I'm tired. I haven't slept and your question feels a bit mean spirited. Or maybe I just am reading into this more that I should. Or maybe, sitting at the edge of my dreams is a 920 running Meego and then Sailfish.
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no mean spirits at all... your opinion and pointing out of the possible dtd shortcomings are appreciated.
what hardware it runs on doesn't matter to me at all. I got the feeling it was running on a nokia device as a longing by the software engineers to use something familiar (affection) and prove their ideas (then and now) are well founded and have merit. maybe to slap elop with a clue ? dunno, I'm not in their heads or discussions.
the resemblance of sailfish to palmos, android, and wp means it may have a really beautiful future for us. the competition this os will generate will be a win for all the consumers. I hear blackberry may be renetering in a huge way soon too... and welcome the real and furious competition for third place.
The N950 was most likely used because that phone was actually developed by Nokia as a MeeGo development device. Given that this is the basis of the current Sailfish OS it makes sense to use that hardware (drivers are already there, etc.)
Aside from that I don't believe that this will really go anywhere. The problem is that either they have their own Apps (which is highly unlikely due to the fact that developers don't exactlly jump at the chance of another incompatible OS) or use Android Apps which means that none of the special features the new OS would have would be used by those and that they would look and feel completely different than the rest of the OS, resulting in an incoherent mashup (like Android has been for quite some time, although it is getting better now with Holo).
In the end Apps and the so often mentioned ecosystem is what makes and breaks smartphone OSes nowadays. It won't have the first or at best run ones that are alien to the OS and key assets Nokia released with MeeGo like Nokia Drive won't be there. With the rest of the ecosystem it seems to look even worse. None of the music streaming services, movie rentals, etc.
I actually liked MeeGo as a concept and I wish Jolla luck with their endeavour but I actually believe that Elop took a long look at what MeeGo was, where it was going and how long that would have taken and when he saw that it would just not do entered into talks with Google and Microsoft. In the end Microsoft put the better deal on the table (or could anyone imagine Google paying 1 billion dollars a year for platform support). Also it would allow Nokia to monetize there mapping assets as part of the platform, which would have been a lot harder on Android given that Google Maps was already there. If it was the right decission - we'll see but ditching MeeGo at least to me - and even after having seen what Jolla did with the OS - was the one part of this whole story that was necessary.
OSs like Jolla will be great at pushing forward all of the competition.
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That's assuming that between Apple/Google/MS that they wont sue them out of being operational at all though. And then there's the whole thing of finding a HW partner that is willing to take on Apple/Google/MS as well as Carriers (Carriers at least in the US elsewhere in the world, where most phones are bought as unlocked and at their 'market pricing' doesn't have as much of an issue with Carrier support as we do sadly).
Looks like what The n9 could have been. Looks nice.
However, Windows is a big name, and the development forward with w8/rt might be interesting.
I hope wp8 takes flight, but only time will tell. I think it will.
I am not bashing or being a fan boy etc. to anyone.. being a tech lover and loving the xda community, this thread is about being open minded and discussing past experiences and taking decisions accordingly, not burning our hands again..
Friends,
The idea of this thread is to outline significant practical reasons on why to move ahead with Sony Xperia Z rather than samsung devices..for a lot of the viewers who are waiting etc.
I have been seeing a lot of view points on why we should go for sony and not samsung anymore.. but personally.. I have used all samsung galaxy flagships over the years, and I keep getting dissapointed.. and this time I finally had a realization that its time to move to better companies who really are serious about what they are creating and who listen to their customers and the community. So I have outlined a few quotes and reasons from elite recognised devs to users with their experiences below. If you have any pointers you would like me to add, please feel free.
Entropy512 said:
It's sad how many sheep are falling for Samsung's misleading "Octa" marketing which (falsely) implies that the device has 8 cores of equal capability.
IT DOES NOT.
It is a quad core device, with four additional low-power cores. More proper marketing would be 4+4 (kind of like Nvidia's 4+1 marketing).
There's also no benefit to having four low-power cores... In any situation where you'd drop to the lowpower cores, you'll also be hotplugging out all of the extra cores. A single low-power core will provide nearly all of the power reduction benefits of a full set of low-power cores. Yes, it'll be easier to handle migration in software - but it's throwing a pile of hardware resources (hardware cost) at a software problem to make up for Samsung's utterly ****ty track record with regards to software integration and quality control. Heck, look at ICS on the I9100 - they couldn't even get basic cpufreq policy limit implementation right with that release!
Samsung's architecture doesn't handle asymmetric core loading well at all. If you have one core maxed out, and want to run some light tasks on a second core - guess what, you have to light up that second core and run it at full tilt. Samsung has a whitepaper that claims this is a good thing, but if you look at their architecture closely (check the cpuidle driver in arch/arm/mach-exynos of their kernels...) you'll notice a nasty flaw - All of the deeper cpuidle states are disabled if more than one core is active. This means that the second core is consuming almost as much power as if it were running at 100% load even if it might only be running at 10% load. Snapdragon can actually reduce the clock/voltage of additional cores that are active but lightly loaded.
Of course, the most important thing is software integration - absolutely awesome hardware means nothing if the software supporting it is ****. Look at the Galaxy Nexus - Thanks to Google and TI doing a great job of integrating the "Project Butter" capabilities of Jellybean, the Galaxy Nexus delivers smoother UI performance with a dual 1.2 GHz Cortex-A9 than the GS3 can with quad 1.4 GHz A9s...
That is what you will get with the Galaxy S4 - Awesome hardware paired with utterly crap software, leading to an overall crap experience. With the Xperia Z, you'll get great hardware paired with great software - for an overall great experience.
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If you love development and love open source, sony is the way to go, (also the chipset being similar to the nexus 4 ) not just amazing hardware but their developer relations team is amazing! they would be extending support to developer and community here at xda. Unlike samsung which uses cheap materials and does not have a real aesthetic taste with industrial design, their software department is really in a mess. They never releases driver binaries. Most of their code is outdated and has bugs. and lately each device software or upgrade comes with brickable bugs and security issues.
Those who are looking for hardware.. technology will keep becoming more compact and billion times powerful every month now, its exponential growth, so if we keep waiting for the next and the next, we will also be stuck in a loop of waiting. By the time s4 is announce, sony or htc would announce an even better phone.. so we would love to wait for that.. it is endless.
So the idea is to go for a device you instantly love, and not wait.. and go for a device where the OEM gives fantastic developer support!
how does one make a topic like this when the s4 isn't even out
i don't understand it
like is the fanboyism and anti-fanboyism within android communities this bad? that we can't even talk about one new phone coming out without talking about another one that you have no idea about whatsoever?
like really. the topic is called 'top reasons to get the xperia z instead of s4'
the s4 doesn't exist yet, is a starter. you don't know anything about it, is another. you have not even the slightest semblance as to what it could be like is yet another. the rest of the list kind of goes on in the same fashion.
why not wait for the s4 to be announced before making a trollbait thread like this?
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how does one make a topic like this when the s4 isn't even out
i don't understand it
like is the fanboyism and anti-fanboyism within android communities this bad? that we can't even talk about one new phone coming out without talking about another one that you have no idea about whatsoever?
like really. the topic is called 'top reasons to get the xperia z instead of s4'
the s4 doesn't exist yet, is a starter. you don't know anything about it, is another. you have not even the slightest semblance as to what it could be like is yet another. the rest of the list kind of goes on in the same fashion.
why not wait for the s4 to be announced before making a trollbait thread like this?
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Because Samsung didnt provide needed sources, same story was on SGS2 and is now on SGS3. Samsung promised them with deadline end of 2012, but as far as I know, sources wasnt released. Because of that, CM development on SGS3 has almost stopped and question is if SGS4 will get CM support. On other side, according to devs Sony support dev community, provide sources, so they can build more stable roms in much shorter time. That is a reason why I will try Xperia Z - hardware is good enough, looks very premium and I expect much better development on it.
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cloud9x said:
how does one make a topic like this when the s4 isn't even out
i don't understand it
like is the fanboyism and anti-fanboyism within android communities this bad? that we can't even talk about one new phone coming out without talking about another one that you have no idea about whatsoever?
like really. the topic is called 'top reasons to get the xperia z instead of s4'
the s4 doesn't exist yet, is a starter. you don't know anything about it, is another. you have not even the slightest semblance as to what it could be like is yet another. the rest of the list kind of goes on in the same fashion.
why not wait for the s4 to be announced before making a trollbait thread like this?
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I kind of agree with you but I also agree with androidindian... I am now about 2 and a half years with Android and had 2 Samsung phones... They just are bad: non quality materials, bad support for developers and they take too long to update and when they do its mostly bad aswell... I agree that we can't talk bad or good about a phone that isn't even out yet but I can imagine that Samsung will not do a better job it did before^^
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Absolutely mate. its not about being a fan boy or not liking a company or something. I use apple, windows and android products.. and i love all of them..
I love technology and I love android and its open source environment.
The idea is so educate and make others aware of my or our experiences with samsung.. and I don't want others to go through the same experiences and pain which we have gone through.
Samsung is really bad with its development friendliness.. they are highly closed sourced and even if they release any sources, are very "buggy". They don't care about the development community .. all they care is selling as much as possible..
a lot of the users here might not know the issues samsung has towards development.. they don't care about anything.. just releasing phones in quantity and not focusing on quality.
The idea is to just let others know about the cores, and development status of samsung, after all people spend money and get dissapointed instantly.
The reason im definitely going for sony is, that CM and aokp upbringing is so quick and sony developer relation team is very friendly and supportive.. http://developer.sonymobile.com/
dont we love having the latest and greatest of android?
its always an issue with samsung in that case.
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Because Samsung didnt provide needed sources, same story was on SGS2 and is now on SGS3. Samsung promised them with deadline end of 2012, but as far as I know, sources wasnt released. Because of that, CM development on SGS3 has almost stopped and question is if SGS4 will get CM support. On other side, according to devs Sony support dev community, provide sources, so they can build more stable roms in much shorter time. That is a reason why I will try Xperia Z - hardware is good enough, looks very premium and I expect much better development on it.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1778270 - the 10k reply CM10-10.1 thread on d2att forums.
The I9300 might have stopped development (having been an Exynos phone) but CM development is very well and happy with the i747. Developer support all comes down to yes, the ease of development but also how popular the phone itself is.
cloud9x said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1778270 - the 10k reply CM10-10.1 thread on d2att forums.
The I9300 might have stopped development (having been an Exynos phone) but CM development is very well and happy with the i747. Developer support all comes down to yes, the ease of development but also how popular the phone itself is.
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everything is opensource gralloc, hwcomposer etc.. it doesnt even have working butter and some things are not working well too
its the genius of devs like entropy and codeworkx which made that happen but they are tired and unhappy of samsung not supporting them..
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I kind of agree with you but I also agree with androidindian... I am now about 2 and a half years with Android and had 2 Samsung phones... They just are bad: non quality materials, bad support for developers and they take too long to update and when they do its mostly bad aswell... I agree that we can't talk bad or good about a phone that isn't even out yet but I can imagine that Samsung will not do a better job it did before^^
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Totally!
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b00gieMan_droid said:
Will copy paste same reply that i just posted on Another thread..
1) Sony is pathetic when it comes to warranty and policies not just in the country i live but around the world
2) I laugh at people considering Sony as a company producing good looking phones.. May be u think so about samsung coz you're some designer or wannabe designer kissing ass looking looking for dream job.. Sony had some of the best designs only while it was Sony Ericsson.. But not after it became xperia.
3) Again, built quality of Sony isn't great either! May be their exterior phone housing is, but their components suck. Samsung is cheap plastic outside but solid quality components inside.. Which is what matters.
4) Stop being ridiculous and stop bashing samsung for not being developer friendly.. If you want that then go for nexus phone.. As simple as that.
Samsung is SLOW, yes.. BUT it's not impossible. Also one can't blame manufacturers for updates when Google is raining new os or updates. If u dont know why am saying this then you don't even deserve to use a non nexus device. I do blame samsung for being retard about their bugs and issues and what not...
Last but not the least.. Sony display suck a#& big time.. Their brava and bright engine is just cheap gimmick. I have xperia s with me right now. Their camera also suck specially while doing hd recording. Yet to see z in person, which should happen soon for me
Can't say much about Sgs4 coz its pointless to waste time on it atm.
Yes samsung was ridiculously cheap quality.. But their built on note2 is quite sturdy and strong. Have an s3 and note2 in the house next to mine and I've seen note 2 bashed by small kid while playing games on it and it's freaking rock solid.
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Not to mention the hardware features that samsung provides at the price which Sony fails big time. Same with other brands Other than Sony.
Am Here not a fan boy of samsung or any brand.
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Could you please elaborate on your past experiences with Sony mobile ? I have not owned a Sony mobile so I cant say anything. I am as much interested in this product as the next guy and I would not want to drop my hard-earned cash on something which is gonna conk in 1 year. Although, I own a Sony LED TV, PS3, PS2 among others and they have been pretty much solid.
There's already another thread talking about those 2 phones.
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I have a question for those who have had Sony devices in the past.
I have heard it is nice and easy to unlock the bootloader on Sony phones.
Now is this the HTC style of unlock where some things are unlocked but others are not?
Also is it easy to do on a branded phone? If I get this phone it will likely be Three branded.
Thanks
cloud9x said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1778270 - the 10k reply CM10-10.1 thread on d2att forums.
The I9300 might have stopped development (having been an Exynos phone) but CM development is very well and happy with the i747. Developer support all comes down to yes, the ease of development but also how popular the phone itself is.
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Your example was a Qualcomm-based device. The reason d2att is in good shape has NOTHING to do with Samsung and EVERYTHING to do with Qualcomm. Now that Qualcomm is selling baseband chips that don't require a Qualcomm host CPU, you're far less likely to ever see a Qualcomm-based Samsung flagship again.
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I have a question for those who have had Sony devices in the past.
I have heard it is nice and easy to unlock the bootloader on Sony phones.
Now is this the HTC style of unlock where some things are unlocked but others are not?
Also is it easy to do on a branded phone? If I get this phone it will likely be Three branded.
Thanks
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If your device is SIM-locked, it will almost surely NOT have an unlockable bootloader.
If it is branded but not SIMlocked it might have an unlockable bootloader.
dreamerAxe said:
Could you please elaborate on your past experiences with Sony mobile ? I have not owned a Sony mobile so I cant say anything. I am as much interested in this product as the next guy and I would not want to drop my hard-earned cash on something which is gonna conk in 1 year. Although, I own a Sony LED TV, PS3, PS2 among others and they have been pretty much solid.
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I own an X8 which its still in good shape even after some serious drops. My father`s samsung galaxy s plus never dropped it on solid stuff ,only on carpet and that shiny cover around the phone scratches and sounds like s**t . Both phones bought new with warranty so no second hand
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I will more than likely buy both the Z (if its avail in Canada) and the S4 but if Sony locks the bootloader it will make me think twice. I bought an ION over Xmas to use a back up phone and have some fun with only to find out I cant unlock the bootloader..I havent even taken it out of the box yet..no point lol and I will probably just dump it for cheap.
Samsung officially supports their 2011 flagship devices (S2, Note) with Jelly Bean. Sony is still struggling to support even their 2012 devices with Jelly Bean let alone the older ones.
All their support for CM / FXP is not worth a dime if the kernel / drivers don't support the features of the latest Android version. i.e. Project Butter.
So unless I see a drastic change in their firmware update policy, it will be the S4.
That's sad, because I think that the Z is one of the most beautiful phones I've ever seen with great hardware inside.
AlainDee said:
I kind of agree with you but I also agree with androidindian... I am now about 2 and a half years with Android and had 2 Samsung phones... They just are bad: non quality materials, bad support for developers and they take too long to update and when they do its mostly bad aswell... I agree that we can't talk bad or good about a phone that isn't even out yet but I can imagine that Samsung will not do a better job it did before^^
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I agree with Alain, well I guess Samsung get's too overly populated since it's the world's widest company and they couldnt handle all of the costumer's feedback, updates etc but I think they're trying to cope up coz I can't wait for the S4. I think it's going to be a great catch. Sony is also good, especially it's now starting to have great features than before. Well, let's see what happens this year
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Samsung officially supports their 2011 flagship devices (S2, Note) with Jelly Bean. Sony is still struggling to support even their 2012 devices with Jelly Bean let alone the older ones.
All their support for CM / FXP is not worth a dime if the kernel / drivers don't support the features of the latest Android version. i.e. Project Butter.
So unless I see a drastic change in their firmware update policy, it will be the S4.
That's sad, because I think that the Z is one of the most beautiful phones I've ever seen with great hardware inside.
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samsung updated s2, note to jb but they have postponed the updates each month from november onwards.
plus their software quality is really full of bugs. brick bugs, security exploits etc. really bad quality
i would always prefer them taking more time and not have such serious bugs atleast, even after leaking roms beforehand..
sony might have taken time before, but their os quality is really good!
also.. their developer relations team and support for cm and xda devs is just too good!
samsung doesn't even want to listen to developers..
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samsung updated s2, note to jb but they have postponed the updates each month from november onwards.
plus their software quality is really full of bugs. brick bugs, security exploits etc. really bad quality
i would always prefer them taking more time and not have such serious bugs atleast, even after leaking roms beforehand..
sony might have taken time before, but their os quality is really good!
also.. their developer relations team and support for cm and xda devs is just too good!
samsung doesn't even want to listen to developers..
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Hmm... I once had a Xperia Neo, which I passed on to my little sis and which I still do the maintainance for...
I have no grim against Sony but I don't share your enthusiasm either. (0% Bug, one-click rooters based on exploids, locked boot loaders,...) .
Time will tell.... I'll wait until all major companys have presented their 2013 flagships.
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If your device is SIM-locked, it will almost surely NOT have an unlockable bootloader.
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If I could just get some further clarification here.
If a phone is SIM-locked (as most branded devices are?) and I then pay the carrier to get SIM lock removed, will this free up the bootloader in the process?
harise100 said:
Samsung officially supports their 2011 flagship devices (S2, Note) with Jelly Bean. Sony is still struggling to support even their 2012 devices with Jelly Bean let alone the older ones.
All their support for CM / FXP is not worth a dime if the kernel / drivers don't support the features of the latest Android version. i.e. Project Butter.
So unless I see a drastic change in their firmware update policy, it will be the S4.
That's sad, because I think that the Z is one of the most beautiful phones I've ever seen with great hardware inside.
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Dude, I switched from s3 to TX and Sony's implementation of ics is 100x faster than Samsung's jelly bean. Samsung pushes for quick updates but very buggy and they haven't implemented buttery smooth on crapwiz.
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HTC would be the most attractive company on the market if they put out a reputation of 4+ system platform upgrades. M7 is the perfect phone to start with. Updating in multiple stages for all M7 stock systems, Lollipop-->Nougat
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HTC would be the most attractive company on the market if they put out a reputation of 4+ system platform upgrades. M7 is the perfect phone to start with. Updating in multiple stages for all M7 stock systems, Lollipop-->Nougat
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lol keep dreaming :laugh:
3 years old device get official n update ? no,, keep dreaming bro
I think you are misreading my post. It is my intention that HTC set a mark higher than the other companies dare to go, creating a reputation of value greater than the other companies, and driving business away from the competition, towards our phones... and my phone is just over 1 mo old. :good: phone battery lasted all day and still over 50% left. No charging for 12 hours
Your M7 is one month old, yes, but tje m7 was released 3 years ago, we as m7 users have to rely on the devs to create updated roms for us.
Nougat requires Vulkan, the GPU in the snapdragon 600 doesnt have it, even the 800/801 doesnt have it, thats why the N5 wont get it either.
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Nougat requires Vulkan, the GPU in the snapdragon 600 doesnt have it, even the 800/801 doesnt have it, thats why the N5 wont get it either.
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Actually, it doesn't really require it as my Moto G3 has an AOSP Nougat ROM.
Apparently, Apple owners keep their devices for 3-4 years, on average. They can reasonably expect software support for the entire time they keep their device.
Even with a lower, less-frequent device turnover than many Androids, Apple manages to sell a lot of phones each year.
With the increased competition for Android users' money, you'd think one of the major Android manufacturers, who are often criticized for copying Apple, would follow Apple's example on the software support front. This would quickly make them stand out from the pack.
I, for one, am never again buying an expensive phone with no guarantees of extended software support. If HTC is done with the M7, then I'm done with them.
floborg said:
I, for one, am never again buying an expensive phone with no guarantees of extended software support. If HTC is done with the M7, then I'm done with them.
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Good luck finding an OEM that supports phones over two years. From what I've seen, HTC is one of the better OEMs to support device updates in recent years.
Maybe a Nexus device, but even then the Nexus 5 (released after the m7) isn't getting Nougat either.
coal686 said:
Good luck finding an OEM that supports phones over two years. From what I've seen, HTC is one of the better OEMs to support device updates in recent years.
Maybe a Nexus device, but even then the Nexus 5 (released after the m7) isn't getting Nougat either.
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Well, there's Apple. Ugh.
It's hard for the voice of "reason" to be heard by manufacturers over the noise of massive sales & media hype. So, those of us that like prompt s/w updates, loud speakers, and 4.7" screens are largely out of luck with Android devices lately.
Nexus/Pixel purchases are one way to to indicate a preference for updates, but it feels a bit like a protest vote - kind of like when the 3rd party candidates aren't much better than the front-runners.
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Well, there's Apple. Ugh.
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Probably a lot easier for Apple to bring iOS 10 to the Iphone 5 when they "only" have released 9 phones (and half of them simply being a "+" or "S" variant) in the last 5 years.
How much phones did HTC released in 5 years? Over a hundred if you count all the phones from the One series, Desires series, Droid series... Virtually impossible to keep them all updated to the latest version. I think 3 years of official updates for an android flagship is really good. If HTC had the whole android market for them, making only 1 phone/year (and a "+" variant), I'm sure they would also be able to give official update for 5 years.
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I think 3 years of official updates for an android flagship is really good.
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That's because they've all set the bar so low.
Something has to be done to convince Google, Qualcomm/etc, and the phone manufacturers to work out a solution that makes updates easier. Maybe, as these devices make their way deeper into the corporate/government world (where long-term support is a huge deal), they'll see how it makes business sense for them to do it.
All I can do is support the devices with the longest support cycle.
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Probably a lot easier for Apple to bring iOS 10 to the Iphone 5 when they "only" have released 9 phones (and half of them simply being a "+" or "S" variant) in the last 5 years.
How much phones did HTC released in 5 years? Over a hundred if you count all the phones from the One series, Desires series, Droid series... Virtually impossible to keep them all updated to the latest version. I think 3 years of official updates for an android flagship is really good. If HTC had the whole android market for them, making only 1 phone/year (and a "+" variant), I'm sure they would also be able to give official update for 5 years.
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You should know that the S variants are usually entirely different phones, sharing only the chassis and outer shell, and even thoses have subtle differences. I consider the standard, non S devices from apple as a proof of concept and crowd beta testing (let us all remember the antenagate), and then they release the S to address all the shortcomings of the previous one. And that's the advice i give to all my friends which are tempting on buying a iPhone, you're better with the previous S, than the current Non-S (bang for buck)
Regarding your other statement, that's one of the main problems i find with OEMs these days, from HTC to Samsung to Sony... They flood the market with too many variations of the same device, keep up with multiple trees of them, each with a miriad of products. Like you said, on HTC you get the One, the Desire, the Droid, and probably others. On Samsung, you get the S, the Note, smaller tree but dear God, so many devices.
Consider this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy#Models
or
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_HTC_devices
It get's to the point that unless you are a connoisseur of your OEM, it's very hard to tell if the device A is better than the B, just by their model.
OEMs should focus more, dedicate more R&D time to less devices and produce better hardware, and offer better software support. Hell, the auto industry warranty figured this out several years ago, you get car A with 3Years or 60000miles warranty, and car B with 5y or 100000miles... this factor weights on your decision...
Of course its a stupid idea. Because the phone companies putting out the phones for a penny to end users.
But mostly its stupid cause no matter what you do the phone go flop in water or slide out a pocket between bike spokes and frame at top speed and splat! Time for a new one.(see my new video)
And its stupid cause UFS type game changing upgrades to hardware.
You know it would be nice on the M7 is all.
but could they just give us security patches on the phones? That would be a great thing.
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Nougat requires Vulkan, the GPU in the snapdragon 600 doesnt have it, even the 800/801 doesnt have it, thats why the N5 wont get it either.
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Good luck finding an OEM that supports phones over two years. From what I've seen, HTC is one of the better OEMs to support device updates in recent years.
Maybe a Nexus device, but even then the Nexus 5 (released after the m7) isn't getting Nougat either.
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Guys , I'm Sorry to say so ... but , your all wrong because N5 finally received Nougat ( no matter it was not official ) but as it is fully functional ( actually the ones based on r7 ) and everything seems fine , it means that it's not Impossible to have it on our M7 either ... Don't you think so ? ...
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Guys , I'm Sorry to say so ... but , your all wrong because N5 finally received Nougat ( no matter it was not official ) but as it is fully functional ( actually the ones based on r7 ) and everything seems fine , it means that it's not Impossible to have it on our M7 either ... Don't you think so ? ...
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Hitman1376
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No, definitely not impossible, but I was referring to official support. OEMs tend to support phones for about two years. Anything older requires XDA developers to come to the rescue.
There was a topic here recently where someone said they built Nougat for the m7. He said something to the effect of, "nothing worked," which doesn't reveal how far he got.
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No, definitely not impossible, but I was referring to official support. OEMs tend to support phones for about two years. Anything older requires XDA developers to come to the rescue.
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Sure thing ... I esp meant the other reply talking about the hardware staff ... But, your telling the Right thing in general ... OEMs leave usually after a year or two ... actually , HTC is MUCH better than Sam ( I own a Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 ) because my tablet is even much better than Flagships ( according to Hardware and Software ... I even got better Benchmarks with my kernel comparing with Note 3 ) but , It didn't even get a simple TouchWiz M Release which is much more annoying ... also the sources samsung provides are usually less flexible with different ToolChains and Modifications Comparing with HTC ( at least with M7 ) ... I even faced some Odd errors when compiling with a newer TC which is not true with HTC M7's ... long story short , I'm never going to buy a Sam again ... Their phones are dull but pretty dolled up ( at least in my humble Opinion )
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Hitman1376
PS. as I'm not going to start a never ending war between the Fans of these companies , I completely respect your opinions ... It was just my humble exp ...