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Plain and simple: When the Evo is fully charged, it begins running off its battery until you plug it back in. It DOES NOT trickle charge whatsoever after it reaches 100%. When you're using your Evo on the charger, and it's showing full 100% charge, it is running off the battery, not the AC plug. And then when you unplug it, well, we all know what happens next. The battery meter drops insanely fast to the actual charge of the battery, which could be very low, depending on how long it's been sitting idle at 100% on your charger.
So all those times you've charged your Evo overnight, only to take it to work the next day and be at 80% within an hour? Your Evo was running off its battery for what I'm guessing was most of the night. It takes my Evo about an hour to two hours to fully charge back to 100%. Let's say you put your Evo on the charger at 11PM, it'll reach full charge by 1AM at the latest, and then run off its battery until whenever you take it off the charger in the morning.
Workarounds?
1) Turn your Evo off while it's charging.
2) If you must leave it on for an alarm clock, put it in airplane mode and end all CPU intensive tasks to minimize battery drain.
3) When you wake up, unplug it for 10-20 minutes (still experimenting with this number), and then plug it back in to top it off. Once it reaches 100%, take it off the charger, and go about your day.
Try it out for yourself. When your Evo is 100% charged, take it off the charger immediately, and I highly doubt you will lose the 10%-15% within minutes. Please share your findings.
Er... Point of note, mine does it even if I pull it off the charger right when it turns green.
Post some technical schematic or other type of proof that shows that this circuitry isn't available in the EVO. That will prove beyond a doubt if what your saying is true.
That being said, only a group of the most retarded electrical engineers would design a charging system as you've described. It is INSANELY easy to build Li-Polymer charging circuitry that does the following (and it pretty much has to do these):
1. Detects battery temperature, and disables charging as a protective measure. In an emergency case it should shut off the device it's powering to allow the battery to cool down. This is a design requirement, or else your house burns down as you dump water on a Lithium fire thinking it's going to put it out. If you have a HERO, you can easily test this. Running the wireless tethering, GPS/Navigation, and Music with the screen running heats up the phone a ton. You'll notice the status light blink green once, then red a couple of times. This means that it's plugged in but not charging. Cool the phone down and it turns solid red again (charging).
2. Disable charging cycle when battery reaches a certain voltage. VERY SIMPLE voltage detection circuitry! The designer can of course adjust a gap to have charging turn back on when it dips below a certain voltage. Usually since this circuitry can be made with a decent amount of precision, that "turn back on" voltage ends up being roughly when the battery discharges to maybe 99.5%. That's just a guess, I admit but there's no harm in having the circuit switch on and off, even if it's often.
There are also a few other circuits that prevent the cell from blowing up in your pocket, like a current sensor to prevent an overcurrent. There's also some stuff that prevents you from being able to discharge the cell below it's avalanche voltage. In case you don't know what that is, when a Li-Ion battery discharges to a certain voltage, it avalanches to 0 (quickly falls). If it hits that point, you've pretty much ruined the battery and it will never charge the same again.
Anyway, this is stuff they taught and had design labs on back in college. While I have no actual proof that the phone wasn't designed as the OP describes, I find it highly unlikely. If this is the behavior that the circuitry exhibits, I would find it easier to believe that it's a design flaw, probably because some idiot didn't compile the correct bill of materials.
I haven't got any schematics or any sort of technical information on the subject. All I know is, it works wonders for me. When I take my Evo off the charger in the morning, it literally drops to ~90% within minutes. Once it does that, if I place it back on the charger for ~20 minutes, it charges back to 100% and stays there for 45 minutes to an hour.
I'd urge anybody who is noticing the immediate 10% to 15% drop in battery to give this a shot.
I would turn it off while I'm charging it overnight, but I use it as my alarm clock
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I am seeing the exact same behavior as the OP. This is really lame. Because of this, most people will end up losing 10% of their battery every day. Pretty lame.
I charge my phone overnight every night. Never noticed a problem and I just checked my battery and its at 88% and has been off the charger for 2.5hours so I'm not seeing the rapid discharge issue some people are seeing.
I don't think so man, I leave my screen on full brightness while it's charging, and if what you said was true it would go dead on the charger.
I think it's more likely the cells haven’t charged equally, so you get a big initial drop.
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I don't think so man, I leave my screen on full brightness while it's charging, and if what you said was true it would go dead on the charger.
I think it's more likely the cells haven’t charged equally, so you get a big initial drop.
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I'm beginning to think that once the battery reaches 100% full, it runs off the battery until it reaches some arbitrary percentage. At which point it starts charging until it reaches 100% again, and then continues this cycle.
I'm testing a few other things right now. Part of me is convinced it reports 100% charge when it's actually below that level.
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I haven't got any schematics or any sort of technical information on the subject. All I know is, it works wonders for me. When I take my Evo off the charger in the morning, it literally drops to ~90% within minutes. Once it does that, if I place it back on the charger for ~20 minutes, it charges back to 100% and stays there for 45 minutes to an hour.
I'd urge anybody who is noticing the immediate 10% to 15% drop in battery to give this a shot.
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I'll try this out to see if I can get the same kind of behavior. I guess I honestly haven't looked to see if the phone drops 10-15% after pulling it off.
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I'm beginning to think that once the battery reaches 100% full, it runs off the battery until it reaches some arbitrary percentage. At which point it starts charging until it reaches 100% again, and then continues this cycle.
I'm testing a few other things right now. Part of me is convinced it reports 100% charge when it's actually below that level.
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This is what should be happening I believe, but I'd be surprised if it was set to such a huge swing like 10-15%
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I don't think so man, I leave my screen on full brightness while it's charging, and if what you said was true it would go dead on the charger.
I think it's more likely the cells haven’t charged equally, so you get a big initial drop.
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This is an interesting theory. I do know that when you have multiple Li-Ion cells in a battery pack, if they discharge unevenly, you have to go off of the lowest charged cell. Again, if a cell were to drop below the avalanche voltage, you'd ruin the pack all together. On the other hand, the circuitry should let ALL cells charge to 100% so it's even again. Maybe they screwed this up, that design isn't so easy! Perhaps it detects one cell as 100% and shuts off the charge. Therefore, one could surmise that if you started with an unevenly charged battery pack, you'd have an immediate decrease in charge to the rating of the lowest charged cell. The good news (maybe) is that this is sometimes implemented with software. That means that HTC could release a bug fix for this, or if we have a savvy dev, they could try to fix it. We just need to prove the theory though.
This is all just a guess, keep that in mind. If I notice something like this with my phone today, maybe I can tear apart the battery and measure the voltage on each cell (if it even has multiple cells). I have a spare, so maybe I'd be up for this. Krynj (or anyone), if you have the HTC Hero, try charging your battery pack with it, see if it exhibits the same behavior on the Hero itself. If it doesn't, then try putting it back into the EVO and see if after a night of charging, it still drops 10-15% after disconnecting it from the AC.
The reason why the battery dies so fast has something to do with the memory card. Charge your phone and take the SD card out and watch it stay at 100% for a long as time. Then do it again with the SD card in and watch it dip down fast.
Apple laptops don't charge unless battery is below 90%. If you plug in the AC and the battery is above 90%, it will just run off AC power but I don't think the battery drains any then.
My battery life has been less than stellar, but I didn't notice it dropping 10-15% instantly off the charger. I did notice that it'd drop about 10% after driving to work with xiialive streaming, which was unusual to me. The battery would start running out after about 9 hours at work. I'd be in the yellow by the time I got home, and the battery would be complaining for a charge in the evening. So that's roughly 12 hours I would be getting out of the phone after normal use.
Since I'm suspecting an issue with the charging circuitry, I just recently tried charging my battery with the Hero. After it was fully charged, I put it back into my EVO last night and haven't charged it since. It's been running 13 hours, and is still nearly full green. The charge is at about 70%. I've been trying to graph the discharge all day too. It only dropped to 87% over night, dropped to 80% when I drove to work (xiialive), and then down to 74% after I spent some time setting up icons and modifying my home screen. This is...hands down a butt ton better than the past week.
I'm not using 4G.
WiFi is off.
3G is on.
GPS is on.
Not running a live wallpaper.
Sync is running at default settings.
Widgets that could be updating constantly:
I have the Clock/Weather HTC widget running.
I have the Dictionary.com "word of the day" widget.
I have the Friendstream Widget running.
Craigslist Craignotifica app is running, set to notify me with search results.
The results are inconclusive though. Yesterday, I wiped and re-flashed DamageControl 3.2.x from scratch (backed up all apps with Ti-Backup, this means Android Market won't be notifying me if there are app updates -grumble-). So, somewhere between re-flashing and also charging my battery with the Hero caused this turn around.
apollooff320 said:
The reason why the battery dies so fast has something to do with the memory card. Charge your phone and take the SD card out and watch it stay at 100% for a long as time. Then do it again with the SD card in and watch it dip down fast.
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Interesting.....Will have to give a try. Will report back later.
I'm waiting for some definitive results with the "use another charging device or battery" method. It seems that the EVO just sucks at recharging the battery since people who have used another phone or a separate charger seem to report better results.
I leave my phone off at night and charge it - when I turn it on in the morning it still drops 5-10% in the first 20 minutes. But during the day it drops REALLY slow, so I still can get about 13-16 hours before 15% easily.
I have manual account sync, 3g only, wifi at home, usually gps is off, auto backlight settings for screen, and I don't run too many apps in the background, I just use them when I need them.
Has anybody found a solution to this? It's really starting to bother me. I've noticed that I don't seem to have the issue if I charge -> recovery -> wipe battery stats -> reboot. That kind of leads me to believe that something is inaccurate about the battery stats and the phone instead uses the actual raw value provided by the battery instead of whatever it is that it does with the battery stats.
I can tell you this, I bought two of the cheap battery chargers off of ebay and I have two OEM evo batteries. I don't even plug my phone in anymore. I get an hour of standby at 100% from those chargers and it falls instantly when charging from the phone. I just run them down then swap them out. I couldn't be happier and they are only like 10 bucks each with 2 batteries each.
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I can tell you this, I bought two of the cheap battery chargers off of ebay and I have two OEM evo batteries. I don't even plug my phone in anymore. I get an hour of standby at 100% from those chargers and it falls instantly when charging from the phone. I just run them down then swap them out. I couldn't be happier and they are only like 10 bucks each with 2 batteries each.
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can you post a link or ebay or where ever u bought it from?
Try this I'm doing it from the phone
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250641711190&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT#ht_1991wt_913
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apollooff320 said:
The reason why the battery dies so fast has something to do with the memory card. Charge your phone and take the SD card out and watch it stay at 100% for a long as time. Then do it again with the SD card in and watch it dip down fast.
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If you have apps on your sd card that are running then yes that could be the case. SD cards need power to work but I dont know how much they draw..
I am sure most of you have realized the fact that when you unplug the Tab from the charger, even it showed fully charged, the battery drop right down to 99% or 98%, which is not that normal with other android phone.
I took a deeper look here. I have a widget which can monitor the battery voltage. When the Tab is connected to the plug and fully charged, the voltage is showing at around 4150mv, which is the normal fully charged voltage for most of the android phones. The moment you unplugged the charger, the voltage drop to around 4070mv. I guess most of the phone judge the battery level by voltage. The differences of the voltage makes the battery level drop to 99% or 98%.
Another fact I found is that the voltage changes quite a lot when the Tab is on different loads. A simple example is that when I wake my Tab up from a sleep mode (black screen to desktop), I can see that the battery voltage widget showing a 100mv drop. (This can be easily reproduced, just put a battery widget which can show voltage on desktop, lock your screen for a few minutes, after that unlock your Tab and keep looking at your voltage for a few seconds, you will notice the difference).
I basic Physics tell me that this kind of voltage drop is cause by the running current and the internal impedance of the battery. But still I am not so sure about the 100mv drop is normal or not? It is bigger that is should be (causing by the not well made battery which have larger than normal internal impedance)?
Sorry for the English style, it is not my mother tongue. Thank you. More discussion is welcome.
I also notice the last 10 or so percent going in minutes
nothing either of you are describing is abnormal behavior for Lithium ion cells.
almost all of this has been discussed ad nauseum.
crazy talk said:
nothing either of you are describing is abnormal behavior for Lithium ion cells.
almost all of this has been discussed ad nauseum.
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Well, there you go
Theres another mystery to be resolved. How come a two amp/hour charger needs four hours to charge a four amp battery instead of the aprox two hours it should take?
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Tiamath99 said:
Theres another mystery to be resolved. How come a two amp/hour charger needs four hours to charge a four amp battery instead of the aprox two hours it should take?
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The charging current is not constant. The maximum is 2 amp. But this is probably available when the batter level is very low. As the batter level goes up, the charge current goes down. Meanwhile, the charger would provide power for the device to operate if you were charging it with power on, which uses some of the amps.
The explanation does not satisfy me. It would certainly explain why it charges in a little bit more Time than expected with the 2 amp charger, the problem is that the charging time is about four hours, that's double the time needed for charging.
For example the Archos 70 internet tablet has a 3000 miliamp battery and a 2 amp charger. Time to full recharge? 90 minutes.
As it should be.
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Charging current is usually lowered for example when battery overheats while charging. Also, if you use the device while charging, then of course you are slowing down the charging as well.
Tiamath99 said:
The explanation does not satisfy me. It would certainly explain why it charges in a little bit more Time than expected with the 2 amp charger, the problem is that the charging time is about four hours, that's double the time needed for charging.
For example the Archos 70 internet tablet has a 3000 miliamp battery and a 2 amp charger. Time to full recharge? 90 minutes.
As it should be.
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Hmm, the Archos is not telling the whole truth. It'll try to explain what I know. Lithium based batteries have a two stage (some people say three!!) charging process.
The first phase is the constant current phase, this pumps in as much current as possible (within the constraints of the charger, battery size, battery temperature etc). So with a 2 amp charger the full 2 amps will hit the battery, probably less if the device is switched on as the device will take some of the power from the charger.
The first phase continues until the battery voltage is about 4.1 or 4.2 volts then phase 2 starts. At this point the battery is probably about 70-80% charged. The 2nd phase is a constant voltage charge and will take the charge from 70-80% up to 100%.
The 2nd phase is what takes the time, as the voltage hitting the battery is now fixed at 4.1/4.2 volts the charging current steadily reduces as the battery becomes more charged. Therefore it may take 20 minutes to get from 80% to 90% charged but 40 minutes to get from 90% to 100%.
There is a small graph on the bottom of this web page-
http://shdesigns.org/lionchg.html
So why do some devices take longer to charge then others? Apart from different chargers & size of the battery the other main factor is the charging circuit in the device. Some devices do not do the slower phase 2 charge resulting in a battery that is only 70-80% charged, the device will of course tell you it is 100% charged but it is not, so for example out of the 3000mA/H battery in the Archos only ~2500mA/H will actually be availble. Other devices may push the charge voltage on the phase 2 charge to make it quicker - this is seroiusly bad for the battery though.
Make sense??
faugusztin said:
Charging current is usually lowered for example when battery overheats while charging. Also, if you use the device while charging, then of course you are slowing down the charging as well.
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Right but when you charge it with all apps closed and the screen off the power consumition is minimal so it shouldn't affect the charging time very much.
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m2te said:
Hmm, the Archos is not telling the whole truth. It'll try to explain what I know. Lithium based batteries have a two stage (some people say three!!) charging process.
The first phase is the constant current phase, this pumps in as much current as possible (within the constraints of the charger, battery size, battery temperature etc). So with a 2 amp charger the full 2 amps will hit the battery, probably less if the device is switched on as the device will take some of the power from the charger.
The first phase continues until the battery voltage is about 4.1 or 4.2 volts then phase 2 starts. At this point the battery is probably about 70-80% charged. The 2nd phase is a constant voltage charge and will take the charge from 70-80% up to 100%.
The 2nd phase is what takes the time, as the voltage hitting the battery is now fixed at 4.1/4.2 volts the charging current steadily reduces as the battery becomes more charged. Therefore it may take 20 minutes to get from 80% to 90% charged but 40 minutes to get from 90% to 100%.
There is a small graph on the bottom of this web page-
http://shdesigns.org/lionchg.html
So why do some devices take longer to charge then others? Apart from different chargers & size of the battery the other main factor is the charging circuit in the device. Some devices do not do the slower phase 2 charge resulting in a battery that is only 70-80% charged, the device will of course tell you it is 100% charged but it is not, so for example out of the 3000mA/H battery in the Archos only ~2500mA/H will actually be availble. Other devices may push the charge voltage on the phase 2 charge to make it quicker - this is seroiusly bad for the battery though.
Make sense??
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Wonderful explanation mate.
But still I just can't understand why it took one hour and 50 minutes to go from 10% to 60% . In theory it should be phase 1 charging at full 2 amps hour.
Since the 50% charged is about 2 amps , shouldn't it have charged that amount in an hour?
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I've been wondering this too. I read in other reviews that it takes 3 hours for a full charge but It took me 3.5 hrs to go from 55% to 100%. sounds like samsung is very conservative with it's stages.
The first problem is something that those of us with Droid Incredible devices have had for a long time. Many people resort to bump charging (i.e., charging to 100%, unplugging for a little while, then plugging it in to let it finish charging). It's an annoying problem.
Need help here my xda fellows.
I am not sure if this is normal, but my tab drops from 70% to 58% overnight with flight mode on and no apps opened. (i use lanucher pro if that counts)
Another weird thing is when i turn off the tab and charge, that battery meter only shows about half full and no matter how long i charge it for it stays the same. But then when i fire it up, android system tells me its 98%. And when i try to turn it off and charge it, now the meter shows almost full and will eventually shows that 100% symbol.
It seems to me some ppl get excellent battery life but not in my case. Could there be any problem with the battery? (running jk1 fw non root).
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Another issue is that once the charger hits 100%, it shuts off. While the tab is plugged in and on, it will drain the battery down some...maybe to 95%...before the charger turns back on. However the whole time it is plugged in it will show 100% after having reached max charge.this is by design on almost all new battery devices to prevent damage to the battery and simultaneously prevent people from complaining their battery is draining even though it is plugged in.
This also explains why some people see such a quick drop after unplugging. If they happen to unplug at the bottom of a trickle charge cycle.
Again, not a bug.
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As I have noticed these issues with my Tab as well, these were all very well explained and knowledgable replies.
Just to put in my two cents, I have noticed that the Tab actually seems to charge noticably faster if I leave it on, rather than turning it off. I do, however, usually turn off everything on the power widget and put it into airplane mode as well, mind you. But, the speed in which it recharges while turned on as opposed to the recharge speeds when completely shut off are fairly noticeable.
Anyone else notice this with their Tab or any other device, and/or have some insight regarding why this occurs? Kudos for the previous informative explanations, btw.
I am afraid I've done something bad to the battery, so it became really wonky.
I went to the festival for 3 days, starting with a 50% charge, then I was charging it whenever I could, but never exceeding the 50% of charge.
The Settings > Battery tells I am 3 days on battery, there were 3 recharges up to 50% (with different chargers and once with a car charger), and right now it drained completely to zero before I came home.
I tried to charge, but CurrentWidget shows 0mAh-50mAh, battery stays at 0%, there's also a good amount of heat produced. When unplugged, CurrentWidget shows 1000mAh, even in flight mode.
I've got a faux kernel, with power saving options, I don't know if it correlates to the issue.
I'm pretty nervous about my Nexus 4.
OK, I figured out, that charger was slightly broken and was recognised as USB charger, but anyway, now I'm charging off another AC adapter, and it goes better, but still, way too long to charge up to 100%. I'm waiting for 5 hours, it charged up to 30% quickly, and now goes up like a turtle. This is horrible!
Restoring a nandroid backup didn't work either, I don't even know what to think.
reqmon said:
OK, I figured out, that charger was slightly broken and was recognised as USB charger, but anyway, now I'm charging off another AC adapter, and it goes better, but still, way too long to charge up to 100%. I'm waiting for 5 hours, it charged up to 30% quickly, and now goes up like a turtle. This is horrible!
Restoring a nandroid backup didn't work either, I don't even know what to think.
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Li polymer battery don't like full/deep discharge, if the battery capacity reach 0%, it will have a tough time to recharge. I would recommend you to use the stock LG charger because Nexus 4 chipset have quick charge 1.0, it will actually charge faster if your charger supports it. If you use a third party charger, it will likely to charge at USB BC 1.2 compliant standard, thus take longer time to charge.
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Li polymer battery don't like full/deep discharge, if the battery capacity reach 0%, it will have a tough time to recharge. I would recommend you to use the stock LG charger because Nexus 4 chipset have quick charge 1.0, it will actually charge faster if your charger supports it. If you use a third party charger, it will likely to charge at USB BC 1.2 compliant standard, thus take longer time to charge.
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My charger supports that, Nexus draws 1A as written on the back of the charger and Nexus recognizes it as an AC adapter.
What I want to explain is the following:
Normally, my Nexus consumes no more than 400mAh with the screen turned on and 10mAh when it sleeps. I had phone with no overheating problems for 8 months.
Now it consumes 400mAh when it sleeps. And when it is on, it jumps up to 1000mAh or more, discharges at 1% per minute rate, produces enormous amount of heat, and tough to charge.
To check, if it was an app consuming the current, I restored a backup made before that glitch, and it shows exacly the same symptoms. That means roots of the problem can be only in:
1. Hardware
2. Radio
I didn't try to fall back to stock 4.2.2 with an older radio, yet. But I will try to do so.
Battery info at *#*#4636#*#* says battery health is "good". I don't know, if this is correct. Yet.
And I was getting a "HW reset" screen after playing with the faux kernel before that. I'm not sure if this is the reason of quick discharges - I'm on stock kernel and android now.
reqmon said:
My charger supports that, Nexus draws 1A as written on the back of the charger and Nexus recognizes it as an AC adapter.
What I want to explain is the following:
Normally, my Nexus consumes no more than 400mAh with the screen turned on and 10mAh when it sleeps. I had phone with no overheating problems for 8 months.
Now it consumes 400mAh when it sleeps. And when it is on, it jumps up to 1000mAh or more, discharges at 1% per minute rate, produces enormous amount of heat, and tough to charge.
To check, if it was an app consuming the current, I restored a backup made before that glitch, and it shows exacly the same symptoms. That means roots of the problem can be only in:
1. Hardware
2. Radio
I didn't try to fall back to stock 4.2.2 with an older radio, yet. But I will try to do so.
Battery info at *#*#4636#*#* says battery health is "good". I don't know, if this is correct. Yet.
And I was getting a "HW reset" screen after playing with the faux kernel before that. I'm not sure if this is the reason of quick discharges - I'm on stock kernel and android now.
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If that's the case, it might be a problem with faux hotplug mechanism, leaving all 4 cores online all the time. Of course it could be other causes, but I hope your problem can be fixed by going back to stock.
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If that's the case, it might be a problem with faux hotplug mechanism, leaving all 4 cores online all the time. Of course it could be other causes, but I hope your problem can be fixed by going back to stock.
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i always leave all four set as minimum used, so theres always four cores on, no hotplugging. i get fantastic battery life. normally 4.5-5.5 hours screen on. im also a very heavy user. its even default in trinity kernel. so its not the case here, having all four cores on all the time does not waste battery. by not hotplugging(turning the cores on and off constantly), it saves time and therefore battery. the phone will still only use what it needs.
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i always leave all four set as minimum used, so theres always four cores on, no hotplugging. i get fantastic battery life. normally 4.5-5.5 hours screen on. im also a very heavy user. its even default in trinity kernel. so its not the case here, having all four cores on all the time does not waste battery. by not hotplugging(turning the cores on and off constantly), it saves time and therefore battery. the phone will still only use what it needs.
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AFAIK the exynos 5 octa does the same, no hotplugging, but since the A7 is so efficient, I don't think it is comparable on the Krait. Nice to know it works fine for you, I may try it some time.
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If that's the case, it might be a problem with faux hotplug mechanism, leaving all 4 cores online all the time. Of course it could be other causes, but I hope your problem can be fixed by going back to stock.
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I'm on stock kernel.
This is how battery stats look like on stock kernel. For the first half phone was in-use, in the second half it was with screen off.
http://db.tt/EWGpkZSe
Hello,
I am doing an experiment since few days ago. I noticed that if you disable the Fast Charging, and (most importantly) use a proper, thick 2A USB cable (I use a Kindle Fire original cable) then the battery lasts around 15-20% longer.
How to recognize that you got a proper USB charging cable ? With fast charging disabled and the battery empty, the phone should tell you that there are around 2 hours until full (instead of the usual 7 hours or so with fast charging disabled). That's when you know that you are using the proper cable. I bought a original Kindle Fire cable from Amazon and that is very solid, much thicker than the standard cable. See attached screenshot. With the standard cable this seems to be a hit and miss, you sometimes get the 2 hours message and sometimes the 7 hours message.
I repeated the experiment 3 times and each time I got significantly better battery life than before.
You may want to try it to see if it works for you.
PS: Attached is my latest battery life screenshot (APC8 firmware), which is the third charge since the experiment. 2 days 6 hours of stand-by with 5h SOT on a mix of 80% Wi-Fi, 20% 4G with nothing disabled (even Bluetooth is permanently connected to the LG smartwatch). Almost no videos played, only web page browsing which is quite demanding on battery.
Look if new software update is possible.
Yeah, I noticed that my battery life was worse when I used a ****ty 1 Ah Sony charger when I displaced the original Samsung charger. It took about 3 hours to charge it up to 100%, but then I noticed that the battery life would be worse than before. I found the original charger again, and battery life is back to being good again. I never use fast charging, unless it's in the middle of the day and I'm heading out or something.
None of the things mentioned above should (technically) have any impact on battery life once unplugged? I mean, stored electricity is stored electricity, so if someone QUALIFIED could give an explanation here, it would be cool.
Nothing new, I've always noticed that if I charge the phone with the original charger and fast charging disabled it will last much longer.
https://www.amazon.com/Amazon-Kindle-Micro-USB-Cable-Tablets/dp/B006GWO5NE
This cable? Which AC adapter do you use?
None of this solutions should impact battery life Oo. Energy is energy, no matter where it comes from?!
Would be nice, if someone qualified could tell us more..
Do you have the newest android version installed?
By the way, I only charge with original charger and cable, fast charge disabled (battery life is longer?!)
Battery life depends on how well you follow charging & discharging cycle. I usually fully discharge my battery (so that phone will shut down by itself after dropping below 1% charging), then charge it fully keeping it switched off & then use it.
I always had far better battery life than most people complain about.
BTW, I also tried charging battery keeping phone switched on at 10-15% charge remaining, battery definitely performed weaker for my use.
So that confirmed my theory based on my usage over last 7 years..
thegame2388 said:
https://www.amazon.com/Amazon-Kindle-Micro-USB-Cable-Tablets/dp/B006GWO5NE
This cable? Which AC adapter do you use?
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Yes, this is the exact cable I am using. A bit expensive, but for me it was the only cable that consistently worked at 2A over time.
J.Biden said:
I mean, stored electricity is stored electricity, so if someone QUALIFIED could give an explanation here, it would be cool.
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BigDoun2011 said:
Would be nice, if someone qualified could tell us more..
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I wonder if Qnovo is qualified enough ? Their technology is employed in many charging solutions. Here is what they say:
"Add fast charging - it gets noticeably worse. It turns out that the simple way batteries are charged today causes most of the damage that leads to shorter daily battery life and reduced lifespan."
Cst79 said:
Yes, this is the exact cable I am using. A bit expensive, but for me it was the only cable that consistently worked at 2A over time.
I wonder if Qnovo is qualified enough ? Their technology is employed in many charging solutions. Here is what they say:
"Add fast charging - it gets noticeably worse. It turns out that the simple way batteries are charged today causes most of the damage that leads to shorter daily battery life and reduced lifespan."
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So you're saying that Kindle Fire cable extends battery life? Isn't 100% battery life from one cable the same as 100% battery life from another cable? Energy is energy.
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So you're saying that Kindle Fire cable extends battery life? Isn't 100% battery life from one cable the same as 100% battery life from another cable? Energy is energy.
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In no way I am saying this. I am just saying that you need a cable that reliably supports 2A charging, so the charger shows 2 hours to full instead of 7 hours to full, even with fast charging off.
Cst79 said:
In no way I am saying this. I am just saying that you need a cable that reliably supports 2A charging, so the charger shows 2 hours to full instead of 7 hours to full, even with fast charging off.
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Ah okay. I went ahead and bought one!
It ' also the logical thing. With fast charging , the battery holds less charge than the "normal . " He just spoke in various forums of this.
Anyway , great idea.
How to maintain max battery life span (reliable source):
Perform shallow discharges. Instead of discharging to 0% all the time, lithium-ion batteries do best when you discharge them for a little bit, then charge them for a little bit. The table below, from Battery University, shows that discharges to 50% are better for your battery's long-term life than, say, small discharges to 90% or large discharges to 0% (since the 50% discharges provide the best number of cycles-to-usage ratio).
·Don't leave it fully charged. Similarly, lithium-ion batteries don't need to be charged all the way to 100%. In fact, they'd prefer not to be—so the 40%-80% rule you heard is a good guideline. When possible, keep it in that range to prolong its life as long as you can. And, if you do charge it to 100%, don't leave it plugged in. This is something most of us do, but it's another thing that will degrade your battery's health. If you need to charge it overnight, use something like the Belkin Conserve Socket to stop it from charging after it's full.
·Fully discharge it once a month. This may seem contradictory, but hear us out. While lithium-ion batteries shouldn't be discharged regularly, most modern batteries are what's known as "smart batteries", which means that they can tell you how long you have until your battery dies (e.g. "2 hours, 15 minutes remaining"). This feature can get miscalibrated after a lot of shallow discharges. So, manufacturers recommend fully discharging your battery once a month to make sure this stays accurate.
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In no way I am saying this. I am just saying that you need a cable that reliably supports 2A charging, so the charger shows 2 hours to full instead of 7 hours to full, even with fast charging off.
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But you stated that it increases battery life.
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So you're saying that Kindle Fire cable extends battery life? Isn't 100% battery life from one cable the same as 100% battery life from another cable? Energy is energy.
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What he's saying is that a slower charge equals a longer lasting battery between charges.
But maybe that doesn't apply to Li-ion batteries, according to this link here.
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What he's saying is that a slower charge equals a longer lasting battery between charges.
But maybe that doesn't apply to Li-ion batteries, according to this link here.
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You can try it for yourself (if you have an S7/Edge) and report the results here. I posted my results, I'm not an expert, I just tried this. I also tried the 7-hour slow charge (with a different charger) and it didn't work as well as the 2-hour charge. The 2 hour charge seems to work best.
Yeah, If you use fast charging the battery dies a little bit quicker. I recommend fast charging if you are in hurry.
I only use fast charge when I'm in hurry.. Nice feature! I try to charge my phone between 25-80%...
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Battery life depends on how well you follow charging & discharging cycle. I usually fully discharge my battery (so that phone will shut down by itself after dropping below 1% charging), then charge it fully keeping it switched off & then use it..
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Worst thing you can do for the lifespan of an Li battery.
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Worst thing you can do for the lifespan of an Li battery.
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I disagree, even though it switches off itself, it still has charge, don't go by it says 1%.. so it's not fully discharged... besides my method served a good battery life to me over the years with earlier phone models
Hi
Just put in a brand new battery and the phone will not go into turbo charge. Best I can do on any charger is about 500mAmps. Battery will barely hold it's own when the display is on. Let me go through the specifics:
Battery was acting erratic (random shutdowns, short life) and was replaced with a labeled Motorola branded battery. I believe it was charging in turbo mode before replacing, but it was so erratic I can't say for absolute certain. No drama on the installation, it went very smooth.
Battery capacity is now great. The random reboots stopped.
Charging is very slow, less than .5amps. It says that it is charging off a USB port. It does not give the turbo charge message.
Tried four different quick chargers (2.0 and 3.0) and a few different cables. Also tired it on a 2amp USB charger. At least two cables were brand new. All the same.
Cleaned out the USB port on the phone. Thorough cleaning a couple of times, not much junk out came out. Also tried some alcohol to clean the contacts. The connection feels tight and has positive lock. No help from that.
Factory reset. No help.
It has had a couple full charge/full discharge cycles. No difference in charge rate.
I have a USB detector that I can plug into the charger and run the charge cable out of it to the phone. It shows 5.2volts and about .4 or .5amps. Doesn't show the high voltage charge (about 8volts if I remember).
One thing that is funny is the charge rate as reported from Ampere. It first reports 1-1.5 amps initially and then goes back down to .5 amps. I suspect it is Ampere acting funny, not the phone. The USB detector does not show the initial high current. There might be a clue in there somewhere.
The phone is running stock Nougat and is not rooted. I am beginning to think it may be a software issue.
Any ideas?
John
OldTacoman said:
Hi
Just put in a brand new battery and the phone will not go into turbo charge. Best I can do on any charger is about 500mAmps. Battery will barely hold it's own when the display is on. Let me go through the specifics:
Battery was acting erratic (random shutdowns, short life) and was replaced with a labeled Motorola branded battery. I believe it was charging in turbo mode before replacing, but it was so erratic I can't say for absolute certain. No drama on the installation, it went very smooth.
Battery capacity is now great. The random reboots stopped.
Charging is very slow, less than .5amps. It says that it is charging off a USB port. It does not give the turbo charge message.
Tried four different quick chargers (2.0 and 3.0) and a few different cables. Also tired it on a 2amp USB charger. At least two cables were brand new. All the same.
Cleaned out the USB port on the phone. Thorough cleaning a couple of times, not much junk out came out. Also tried some alcohol to clean the contacts. The connection feels tight and has positive lock. No help from that.
Factory reset. No help.
It has had a couple full charge/full discharge cycles. No difference in charge rate.
I have a USB detector that I can plug into the charger and run the charge cable out of it to the phone. It shows 5.2volts and about .4 or .5amps. Doesn't show the high voltage charge (about 8volts if I remember).
One thing that is funny is the charge rate as reported from Ampere. It first reports 1-1.5 amps initially and then goes back down to .5 amps. I suspect it is Ampere acting funny, not the phone. The USB detector does not show the initial high current. There might be a clue in there somewhere.
The phone is running stock Nougat and is not rooted. I am beginning to think it may be a software issue.
Any ideas?
John
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It could be the battery. Buying batteries has seemed to be trial and error for this phone. Where did you buy the battery from?
I know that problem with batteries. It's like a 50/50 chance of getting a decent one. I seem to have found a pretty good one. It was off Amazon, but it was branded Motorola. It says so right on front, if that is worth anything. It charges (just very slowly) and has great life. The phone used to do random reboots on the old battery, that is cured. I am inclined to think it is not the battery. Is there some specific check that you know of that would rule it out?
Thanks for the idea.
John
Fit the old battery again, if it turbo charges then the problem is the new battery.
good idea.
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Fit the old battery again, if it turbo charges then the problem is the new battery.
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That was a good idea. I gave it try but it was still in the awful slow charge mode. But that old battery was junk, no life and random reboots. Based on the condition of the battery, that may not have been a great test I will just button it up one last time and recharge it every night. On the plus side: Life on the new battery is as good as when the phone was new. That is a very nice phone and I would buy another new one if they were available.
Thanks for the idea
John