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This is an honest question and I'm genuinely curious. Why is anyone flashing ROMs on this beast?
On all my previous devices I have flashed ROMs (usually AOKP) because of the added options/features, and/or to change things like icons/notification bar/notification window hacks/etc, etc... and also to speed up the device. But on this phone that's all possible on the bone stock ROM (with root of course). I've never seen this many settings and possibilities on a stock device, and for the first time since my very first smartphone I've had no desire to flash a ROM. As far as performance I really don't see how it could get much faster.
I've seen countless threads where people are just messing up their phones and I'm wondering how it's all worth it. Granted, if you know what you're doing it's very difficult to brick in the first place, but regardless, what are the benefits??
Just an honest question don't be too harsh.
siciliano777 said:
This is an honest question and I'm genuinely curious. Why is anyone flashing ROMs on this beast?
On all my previous devices I have flashed ROMs (usually AOKP) because of the added options/features, and/or to change things like icons/notification bar/notification window hacks/etc, etc... and also to speed up the device. But on this phone that's all possible on the bone stock ROM (with root of course). I've never seen this many settings and possibilities on a stock device, and for the first time since my very first smartphone I've had no desire to flash a ROM. As far as performance I really don't see how it could get much faster.
I've seen countless threads where people are just messing up their phones and I'm wondering how it's all worth it. Granted, if you know what you're doing it's very difficult to brick in the first place, but regardless, what are the benefits??
Just an honest question don't be too harsh.
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Xposed has made custom roms fairly unnecessary in general. Some people just like that stuff built in though.
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Xposed has made custom roms fairly unnecessary in general. Some people just like that stuff built in though.
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Yeah I was thinking of Xposed in particular...it's incredible. I guess I could understand wanting those features baked in, but even then it's so incredibly easy to install and use xposed...I just don't get it. Aside from one single thing - finding a battery themer that works - I now have the phone looking and behaving exactly as I want it.
I flashed just to try them out. Personally Im still running a rooted/debloated/stock odexed MJ7 that is just modified using xposed framework and some modules. Stock has been the most reliable...fastest performing ROM for this phone IMO. I tried others and may still try new releases, but at this point...my setup works for me. Using GEL, and xposed framework, AOSP messaging, AOSP browser, hangouts with sms integration, Exdialer themed to look like kit kat...so I see no need to have a custom rom...I would end up doing the same mods that I have on my stock one....only difference is...no bugfree.
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I've been flashing ROMs since my incredible years ago. I just don't feel right running stock anymore. Even if its just mental and I know I could get most of that stuff from xposed, nothing like getting rid of all your crap and starting fresh with a new ROM haha.
Hey guys, just a quick question. Please please excuse me for I am definitely a noob, but I've done some research about rooting and what it offers yet I still don't know how to use it. It feels much like learning how to drive a stick... understanding in theory, but difficult in application until practice. My note 3 is rooted, but I still have no idea what and how much I can do from here. Not to mention, while I'm doing research and trying to educate myself, there are some names and terms I do not understand. Anyway, let me just write some of the questions I have in a list:
1) Cyanogenmod. Is it available for verizon note 3 running 4.3? I keep getting search results that there are while the cyanogenmod website itself doesn't offer it? I also got a Nexus 7 to try to expand my knowledge in this field, and it does have cyanogenmod installed. Now, to my understanding, it runs side by side with the Android OS while it basically strips the device's bloatware, giving you the pure, simple, raw experience of Android OS. If I were to install cyanogenmod to the note 3, how would it affect the camera functions and the s pen functions? The reason why I ask about the camera is because using my Nexus's camera and looking at some youtube videos of note 2's with cyanogenmod, it seems like it would actually be a downgrade from the note 3's stock camera. And as far as the S pen goes, I've realized that I would lose the action notes, s notes, and sketchbook for galaxy apps, wouldn't I? How could I go around that?
2) Flashing ROMS. What exactly does this do? All I can find is that it allows me to customize my phone, but I don't seem to understand to what extent.
3) Kernels. What are these?
Lol, so sorry for such basic questions. But I would really really appreciate your patience and information!
CyanogenMod is unofficially available for the Note 3. Not everything works. CyanogenMod is a ROM that changes the software on the phone. It's a more customized version of Android, and very close to "stock". If you use CyanogenMod however, you will lose your S-Pen and it's features, along with all of the other TouchWiz features of the phone (gestures, split screen, etc.). The S-pen will act as a basic mouse pointer. CyanogenMod is not pure AOSP, it's quite far from it. It's similar, but very different from a pure Google experience. It's really a beast of it's own in my opinion, and is now a stand alone company that will seek to profit off of the ROM (likely by coming standard on some devices). That's not to say it isn't good, I run it on most of my other devices but on the Note 3, without the S-Pen it's just a big phone.
ROM's are customized versions of Android typically created by a developer or group of developers. The features of each ROM will change. A 4.3 TouchWiz rom might remove all of the carrier bloat (applications not likely used, but run in the background and offer little no actual use to anyone). They'll also provide enhancements and tweaks that make life a little easier like a quick-access flashlight tied to your volume up button, or the ability to remove certain icons from the notification panel, a batter percentage indicator in the notification panel, removing the exchange security permissions, or just general speed improvements over the factory settings. There are many advantages to a ROM and once you use them you'll likely never go back to stock. The ROM features are typically listed in the ROM's topic.
There are many ROM's out there for many different devices, so make sure you only install one that is made for your phone. You'll also hear about AOSP ROM's, these are stock or close-to-stock versions of Android, typically found on Nexus devices. The way Google intended Android to be used.
Android uses a Linux Kernal. It's a customized version of Linux. It's the base operating system behind Android. Similar to ROM's, different kernals can offer different levels of customization, however they won't be as prevalent as a ROM since they deal more with the core of the operating system. The Kernal will manage the drivers for all the different components of the phone, like your radios (how you receive a phone signal), your sensors, camera, CPU, etc. Be especially careful when changing Kernals, it can drastically affect your phone, and possibly permanently.
I'll put in the caveat that this is my understanding, and may not be 100% accurate. People are welcome to correct my mistakes and misunderstandings I may have =)
I hope you find it helpful!
Thank you for your response and information!
Okay, so I guess Cyanogenmod for the Note 3 is not an option for me since I enjoy using my S pen (I mean, why else would I have gotten the phone in the first place haha)
Could you direct me to some useful ROMs or recommend me some? The thing is, I had the Motorola Droid as my first smartphone and never really got into rooting or anything, and when I got the iPhone 4s, that's when I started learning about jailbreaking and got pretty good at it too. Now that I'm back to Android and learning about root, I've realized just how.. simple and basic jailbreaking is compared to rooting. So, would these ROMs be similar to tweaks you can get from the Cydia store in, let's say, behavior of the phone?
I don't think I would want to mess with kernels for a long while either, not until I get more acquainted with rooting in general.
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Thank you for your response and information!
Okay, so I guess Cyanogenmod for the Note 3 is not an option for me since I enjoy using my S pen (I mean, why else would I have gotten the phone in the first place haha)
Could you direct me to some useful ROMs or recommend me some? The thing is, I had the Motorola Droid as my first smartphone and never really got into rooting or anything, and when I got the iPhone 4s, that's when I started learning about jailbreaking and got pretty good at it too. Now that I'm back to Android and learning about root, I've realized just how.. simple and basic jailbreaking is compared to rooting. So, would these ROMs be similar to tweaks you can get from the Cydia store in, let's say, behavior of the phone?
I don't think I would want to mess with kernels for a long while either, not until I get more acquainted with rooting in general.
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Well first thing you need is safestrap so you can actually flash a ROM link here
This allows you to create limited size slots to flash a ROM to without effecting the stock ROM. There is a way around the size limitation of the slots, but I wouldn't worry about that yet. Just get a feel for it first before you risk bricking.
As for a ROM, head on over to the android development section and pick one. They all have great descriptions of what they have and what they don't. Personally I run hyperdrive and it makes a great daily driver. Still has enough of the original Samsung stuff to look like a Note 3 but allows you to tweak it much further. There are plenty others, and that's the beauty of safestrap, flash to your heart a content until you find one you like.
Kernals aren't something to worry about yet because the boot loader is still locked, limiting our ability to flash a kernal or a custom recovery at that. Unless something has changed that is... Has it? Did it get unlocked while I was asleep.
I you ever get stuck, search then ask. You might also want to read about ODIN here. since you're already rooted some of this doesn't pertain to you, but is still a good read as ODIN will help you recover from some problems.
Hope that helped.
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Well first thing you need is safestrap so you can actually flash a ROM link here
This allows you to create limited size slots to flash a ROM to without effecting the stock ROM. There is a way around the size limitation of the slots, but I wouldn't worry about that yet. Just get a feel for it first before you risk bricking.
As for a ROM, head on over to the android development section and pick one. They all have great descriptions of what they have and what they don't. Personally I run hyperdrive and it makes a great daily driver. Still has enough of the original Samsung stuff to look like a Note 3 but allows you to tweak it much further. There are plenty others, and that's the beauty of safestrap, flash to your heart a content until you find one you like.
Kernals aren't something to worry about yet because the boot loader is still locked, limiting our ability to flash a kernal or a custom recovery at that. Unless something has changed that is... Has it? Did it get unlocked while I was asleep.
I you ever get stuck, search then ask. You might also want to read about ODIN here. since you're already rooted some of this doesn't pertain to you, but is still a good read as ODIN will help you recover from some problems.
Hope that helped.
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It did! Thank you very much!
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It did! Thank you very much!
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The only option with Safestrap and therefore on newer Verizon Note 3's is a ROM based on stock, so Cyanogenmod isn't an option at all.
I would consider Hyperdrive. Enhanced app windowing options, Xposed framework to get rid of earphone hearing damage warning and never ending reminder about how to clear default apps and tons of little customizations. Getting rid of boot sound is reason enough for me.
Other things on your checklist whether you get a custom ROM or not is Adaware, which you can download on xda to block ads. Need Titanium Backup to back up apps with data, something you can't do without root and very useful when switching ROMs or phones. Lots of other useful tools like Root Explorer on Google Play. If you stick with your stock ROM, do the mod to allow free tethering for Wi-Fi.
Since you like your S Pen, you need Pen Window Manager, available on Play to choose for yourself which apps can run in a pen window. That was one of the big reasons I wanted to root this phone.
By the way, once you find a ROM you like, it's best to nandroid back it up, backup the stock ROM for safety, then restore your custom ROM to the Safestrap stock slot. The ROM 1-4 slots have limited storage so not great long term solution if you have a lot of apps, etc.
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I am very unhappy with my Verizon GS5 mainly because it lags and is so slow. I find it way more laggy than my GS4.
I have rooted it, is there a ROM to get rid of the nasty lag??
Also battery life has gotten worse it seems since ive had it, moderate use drains battery in 10-12 hours
Dragonsla said:
I am very unhappy with my Verizon GS5 mainly because it lags and is so slow. I find it way more laggy than my GS4.
I have rooted it, is there a ROM to get rid of the nasty lag??
Also battery life has gotten worse it seems since ive had it, moderate use drains battery in 10-12 hours
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Yes, there is. If you are rooted and have safestrap installed, or have a developer edition S5, there is a ROM in the Android Development by elliwigy that is heavily debloated and runs great. I've been running it for about a week now and it is as smooth as it comes, plus it is very lean in that most of the bloatware has been removed. However, if you use some of the Samsung "special features" such as Health or Fitness apps your out of luck because they have been removed, but you can always go back and install those apks if you'd like. And, unlike many ROMs, every primary function works (data, phone, Bluetooth, WiFi, GPS, camera etc). Give it a try, you're lag will be GONE.
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I have no idea what janky is, if that is significant. Presumably it's slang as it isn't found in any major dictionaries. But lag is caused mainly by the bloat that Samsung and Verizon think you need. There are less custom ROMs tailored for Verizon (compared to carriers like TMobile) because Verizon uses a locked bootloader and was only recently rooted.
Elliwigy has a debloated ROM here that should be a lot faster. Or look in the Verizon S5 forum for other choices. Note that most custom ROMs will require rooting your phone. And may require employ a custom kernel or recovery. There are rooting methods that will not affect the Knox flag. But a custom kernel or recovery will trip the flag.
You should do some reading about Knox and decide if you care about it or not. Tripping the Knox counter may have warranty implications. Many carriers don't care about Knox, but I don't know Verizon's position on that.
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I have no idea what janky is, if that is significant. Presumably it's slang as it isn't found in any major dictionaries. But lag is caused mainly by the bloat that Samsung and Verizon think you need. There are less custom ROMs tailored for Verizon (compared to carriers like TMobile) because Verizon uses a locked bootloader and was only recently rooted.
Elliwigy has a debloated ROM here that should be a lot faster. Or look in the Verizon S5 forum for other choices. Note that most custom ROMs will require rooting your phone. And may require employ a custom kernel or recovery. There are rooting methods that will not affect the Knox flag. But a custom kernel or recovery will trip the flag.
You should do some reading about Knox and decide if you care about it or not. Tripping the Knox counter may have warranty implications. Many carriers don't care about Knox, but I don't know Verizon's position on that.
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Sorry I mean like laggy and buggy.
I had a GS4 and it was less laggy/buggy than the GS5!
So I am looking to see if its maybe touchwiz? a straight Google ROM would run like a champ on a phone with this high specs.......right?
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So I am looking to see if its maybe touchwiz?
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I can tell you conclusively that it isn't touchwiz. It's the bloat. My (debloated) GS4 was not laggy. And my debloated GS5 is even smoother. Like butter. It has zero lag for anything. It just needed some pruning, turn off some animations, et cetera. A debloated /custom ROM is a huge improvement over stock.
But whatever. A Google ROM should be very smooth too. But it's a substantially different experience in features. You'd transform your S5 into a Nexus, rather than TW feature set. You need to decide if that matters to you.
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I can tell you conclusively that it isn't touchwiz. It's the bloat. My (debloated) GS4 was not laggy. And my debloated GS5 is even smoother. Like butter. It has zero lag for anything. It just needed some pruning, turn off some animations, et cetera. A debloated /custom ROM is a huge improvement over stock.
But whatever. A Google ROM should be very smooth too. But it's a substantially different experience in features. You'd transform your S5 into a Nexus, rather than TW feature set. You need to decide if that matters to you.
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Sounds amazing. Gonna safestrap it on!
Hey the thread for that rom is closed, does anyone know why?
Dragonsla said:
Hey the thread for that rom is closed, does anyone know why?
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? It's not closed at the time of this post.
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? It's not closed at the time of this post.
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Do I have any other options?
Anyone been using a good ROM with minimal lag? I cant stand the suggested rom apps tank 10 seconds straight to open.....
In case you guys haven't figured it out yet, development, Imo, is dead. There isn't stable root, no rom development outside of slightly modded stuff to change your status bar and the most recent breakthrough was substratum... Which wasn't even meant for this phone but rather the s8 but it still works. Now I use and love substratum but I really want an aosp/pixel rom and stable root and Xposed but I don't think that any of this is coming ever. I could be wrong. But I'm tired of buying locked down Samsung devices because of this. This seems more like a rant but it's more of a psa to developers who wanna help the hopeless. Ya know?
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In case you guys haven't figured it out yet, development, Imo, is dead. There isn't stable root, no rom development outside of slightly modded stuff to change your status bar and the most recent breakthrough was substratum... Which wasn't even meant for this phone but rather the s8 but it still works. Now I use and love substratum but I really want an aosp/pixel rom and stable root and Xposed but I don't think that any of this is coming ever. I could be wrong. But I'm tired of buying locked down Samsung devices because of this. This seems more like a rant but it's more of a psa to developers who wanna help the hopeless. Ya know?
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I purchased this phone coming from an Iphone 6Plus, thinking I could definitely obtain root on the most sold android phone still in use. Nope. Pretty disappointing as I think it may be the best phone ever made.
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In case you guys haven't figured it out yet, development, Imo, is dead. There isn't stable root, no rom development outside of slightly modded stuff to change your status bar and the most recent breakthrough was substratum... Which wasn't even meant for this phone but rather the s8 but it still works. Now I use and love substratum but I really want an aosp/pixel rom and stable root and Xposed but I don't think that any of this is coming ever. I could be wrong. But I'm tired of buying locked down Samsung devices because of this. This seems more like a rant but it's more of a psa to developers who wanna help the hopeless. Ya know?
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I didn't do enough research before buying S7. Coming from Nexus 6p this is really foreign to me. I saw s7 had root but didn't look into the 2 different processors, all the different carriers (it doesn't matter on Nexus devices.)
Far as Development goes...its probably not going to happen unless someone finds a way to unlock the bootloader. Next best thing might be Safe Strap but afaik there's nothing in the works.
For now I'm making the best of it. I'm having a decent experience with the Eng kernel. Currently looking into the nonrooted Rom. My hope is I'll be able to make some changes (like installing viper) then switching to the stock boot.img and trying to make those changes stick. Supposedly it's possible but I'm still trying to get some guidance. Experimenting with this phone sucks because the process for root is pretty long then setting everything up THEN it might not work so back to square one.
Especially once done with purchase plan or contract (should you have one) and out of warranty. After that point, it's mine to do with as I please! (I know, should be able to do it whenever, but I'm playing by their rules for a minute.) So it's already BS for those who bought first few months and have paid off.
Personally, what is driving me crazy is battery drain. I'm running about 144k on AnTuTu, so no major complaints with performance, but plugging it in more than once a day sucks. Power drain when I'm not doing anything: sucks. I know it's all this useless crapware running in the background, even tho I killed some with Package Disabler Pro. Just addressing that would improve my mood. If AT&T is trying to ensure we'll all look very carefully at unlocked phones next time, they are doing a bang-up job.
Hello. I have noticed in these threads recently that there is an IMEI, 4G, and VOLTE being lost by flashing roms (it seems like it might be only oreo roms??).
I am in the process of buying this phone (it is amazing for carrier compatibility), and am curious on what your guys thoughts are on this.
I am not at all new to rom'ing, but I definitely want to make sure that I am not permanently loosing any important functionality with this phone.
royredman said:
Hello. I have noticed in these threads recently that there is an IMEI, 4G, and VOLTE being lost by flashing roms (it seems like it might be only oreo roms??).
I am in the process of buying this phone (it is amazing for carrier compatibility), and am curious on what your guys thoughts are on this.
I am not at all new to rom'ing, but I definitely want to make sure that I am not permanently loosing any important functionality with this phone.
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I'd recommend staying stock until the devs figure out what's going on with VoLTE and they come up with something unless it's Motovo/Lenovorola's fault, in that case you're better off staying stock anyways atleast until the issue is taken care of.
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I'd recommend staying stock until the devs figure out what's going on with VoLTE and they come up with something unless it's Motovo/Lenovorola's fault, in that case you're better off staying stock anyways atleast until the issue is taken care of.
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can you explain when this happened? Are all roms vulnerable to this, or just oreo roms? Also, how long has the developers been looking into this for?
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can you explain when this happened? Are all roms vulnerable to this, or just oreo roms? Also, how long has the developers been looking into this for?
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This is happening with Oreo ROMs at the moment, at least that's what I've been seeing.
I go back to this statement... if you have to question whether you want/need to root or ROM, then you don't need to and should not do so.
Honestly, rooting today is now like years ago... most "normal" users gain little and give themselves more headaches than it's worth.
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I go back to this statement... if you have to question whether you want/need to root or ROM, then you don't need to and should not do so.
Honestly, rooting today is now like years ago... most "normal" users gain little and give themselves more headaches than it's worth.
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I wasn't questioning whether I wanted to or not. I like the idea of rooting and Roming my phone. I have done it many times before. The reason I am buying this phone is close to exactly that reason. I was asking the users if it was a good idea since a vast amount of users are losing their VOLTE and possibly their 4G connections because of doing this.
There can be a fair amount of advantages to with rooting and roming overall, but the reasons for doing this tends to become less and less important as modern cell phones get more powerful and more customizable .
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I wasn't questioning whether I wanted to or not. I like the idea of rooting and Roming my phone. I have done it many times before. The reason I am buying this phone is close to exactly that reason. I was asking the users if it was a good idea since a vast amount of users are losing their VOLTE and possibly their 4G connections because of doing this.
There can be a fair amount of advantages to with rooting and roming overall, but the reasons for doing this tends to become less and less important as modern cell phones get more powerful and more customizable .
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Literally, the title of this thread is "should I root or ROM this phone" so forgive me if I misunderstood.
I don't think anyone properly rooting or installing a quality ROM is losing 4G/LTE connectivity, although a few seem to lose VoLTE but it makes no sense why as the radio firmware doesn't change with a custom ROM and the kernel and AOSP VoLTE implementation source code is available.
Check threads for the ROM you're interested in, and look for information specific to your carrier. I can't speak for some but VoLTE isn't allowed from this device to Verizon or AT&T and most of their MVNOs.
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Literally, the title of this thread is "should I root or ROM this phone" so forgive me if I misunderstood.
I don't think anyone properly rooting or installing a quality ROM is losing 4G/LTE connectivity, although a few seem to lose VoLTE but it makes no sense why as the radio firmware doesn't change with a custom ROM and the kernel and AOSP VoLTE implementation source code is available.
Check threads for the ROM you're interested in, and look for information specific to your carrier. I can't speak for some but VoLTE isn't allowed from this device to Verizon or AT&T and most of their MVNOs.
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Good point. I'll look into the threads. Thanks for the tip!