I have just bought a Finow Q1, and it doesn't seem to have the Lollipop Smart Lock feature available, nor pattern or password screen locking (only pin). I have used some apps that expose features not available via the UI offered by the watch (e.g. Settings Search), but these features just don't seem to be there. I suspect that there are other "standard" features also missing.
Is this something unique to the Q1, or do the other new batch of 5.1 SmartWatches suffer from the same limitations? I understand that 100% of Lollipop features may not be needed, appropriate or even feasible on a SmartWatch, but improved security features (as an example) are a fundamental part of an Android upgrade, and it seems a little disingenuous of Finow to market the device as 5.1 if it is missing them. Makes me wonder what else is missing - so far my ZGPAX S8 has better functionality that the Q1.
emuthebrave said:
I have just bought a Finow Q1, and it doesn't seem to have the Lollipop Smart Lock feature available, nor pattern or password screen locking (only pin). I have used some apps that expose features not available via the UI offered by the watch (e.g. Settings Search), but these features just don't seem to be there. I suspect that there are other "standard" features also missing.
Is this something unique to the Q1, or do the other new batch of 5.1 SmartWatches suffer from the same limitations? I understand that 100% of Lollipop features may not be needed, appropriate or even feasible on a SmartWatch, but improved security features (as an example) are a fundamental part of an Android upgrade, and it seems a little disingenuous of Finow to market the device as 5.1 if it is missing them. Makes me wonder what else is missing - so far my ZGPAX S8 has better functionality that the Q1.
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If by "better functionality" you mean that ZGPax has a more complete and open Android base, I can understand your point, but as smartwatch it suffers many missing features, like no companion app, no specific apps designed for its tiny display and no possibility to add/customize the watchfaces.
Having used Reno 10X China Version (PCCM00) for almost 6 months now, I must say overall it's a great device, but with some flaws in OS design that needs to be tweaked in order to make it usable. Few days ago, I was lucky enough to buy a used Reno 10X Global Version (CPH1919, my phone is a Taiwan version CPH1919TW to be more precise, but it shares the same rom as global version CPH1919EX) at reasonable price. Since it’s not often to own both China and Global version, I would like to share my comments on PCCM00 VS CPH1919. Since the main difference is the implementation of ColorOS, I think below applies to any Oppo / Realme phone comparing their China / Global version as well.
The PCCM00 has been upgraded to Android 10 beta, but I had used Android 9 for enough time before the upgrade.
Hardware:
Both shares the exact same hardware, no notable difference in size/weight nor screen/camera quality.
Preloaded software:
PCCM00 comes with a lot of bloatware, some of which is not removable without using ADB. It has Google framework, you can easily install Google Play APK and other Google services. (Making them usable is another story, see below). There’s no Google App and thus no Google Assistant, you get Breeno which is useless for non-Mandarin speakers or users outside China.
CPH1919 comes with all Google services preloaded as system app, you can also press power button for 0.5s to activate Google Assistant. There are still some bloatware, but most of them can be uninstalled directly.
Notification icon on status bar
PCCM00 has no option for displaying notification icon on status bar until very recent A44 firmware or Android 10 (ColorOS 7) beta. CPH1919 on the other hand, has this feature from day 1.
Application / Power management
The biggest downside for PCCM00 is its application / power management. Its application management is way too aggressive that by default, no application is allowed to be running in background, except for some common Chinese apps like WeChat. As a result, no application will be showing any notification or push message, or receiving any updates. To fix this, you must select custom power management, set each app to allow running in background, plus setting each app to allow auto-start. However, you are only allowed to set a maximum of 5 Apps auto-start, setting Gmail and Google App already takes you 2 (If you don’t set this, Google Assistant will be reset every time you run, as the system expects the Google App to be always running in the background), and you need to be very careful on the 3 quotas left. Even you have set all of the above for your IM / e-mail / news APP, the system will still sometimes not sending any update all of a sudden (it’s always too late when you discovered it), and you need to restart your phone to get it working again. The ColorOS 7 Beta seems to be a little bit better with more Apps included in the auto-start white list as default (like Facebook and WhatsApp), so you have more freedom on your own choice of 5 auto-start apps.
CPH1919, on the other hand, behaves much like a regular functioning phone. I get notification from all my apps without changing any settings in power management, yet I don’t see any big difference in battery life between the two phones.
Conclusion
I’m very surprised when receiving the CPH1919, that the phone is just so much better out of the box. This also shows Oppo software developers actually know how to properly configure a phone (at least for their Global Rom department). Giving that it’s still impossible to flash the global ROM on a PCCM00 (you can unlock bootloader, flash TWRP and Root, but there’s no 3rd party ROM available, and you can’t flash global ROM on it. The two phone’s partition size are different, see other posts for discussion), I would strongly advice anyone who is interested in buying an Oppo / Realme phone, to stay away from China version. You probably have to pay more for global version, but it’s definitely worth it.
(please forgive me for the screen showing Chinese UI, I was just too lazy to swtich them to English, but you can still see all important info)
Thanks a lot pal, your review deserves many likes, I'm using a domestic Oppo Reno 10x and I have to say that what you said was all truth
Buy the way if you're a chinese guy than I have to be admired your english
squallho1 said:
Conclusion
I’m very surprised when receiving the CPH1919, that the phone is just so much better out of the box. This also shows Oppo software developers actually know how to properly configure a phone (at least for their Global Rom department). Giving that it’s still impossible to flash the global ROM on a PCCM00 (you can unlock bootloader, flash TWRP and Root, but there’s no 3rd party ROM available, and you can’t flash global ROM on it. The two phone’s partition size are different, see other posts for discussion), I would strongly advice anyone who is interested in buying an Oppo / Realme phone, to stay away from China version. You probably have to pay more for global version, but it’s definitely worth it.
(please forgive me for the screen showing Chinese UI, I was just too lazy to swtich them to English, but you can still see all important info)
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Yes...the global device is clearly a superior device. The Chinese device has many impositions due to he Chinese infrastructure and direction of authorities. That can't be changed out-of-the-box, which is probably the reason behind the PCCM00 having a different internal partition table to restrict interchanging firmwares.
moozer said:
Yes...the global device is clearly a superior device. The Chinese device has many impositions due to he Chinese infrastructure and direction of authorities. That can't be changed out-of-the-box, which is probably the reason behind the PCCM00 having a different internal partition table to restrict interchanging firmwares.
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We can not blame Oppo for not having Google Apps on China version, what really kills the phone is not allowing any background apps on default (thus no push notification for all apps). From what I've herad Oppo is not the only manufacturer doing this on their China version. I was told the reason is that unlike Google Play store which imposes very strict requirment and check for Apps listed in her store, which includes Apps' power consumption when running in background, China phones rely on 3rd party App store, and there are many junk local apps that eat a lot of battery life in background. In order to maintain reasonable battery life, manufacturers make such decision while only allowing a small number of well known local apps to be running in background.
I think a better alternative is to at least allow the user to choose the power managment behaviour, not only allowing 5 auto-run Apps. There are work-arounds (like disabling Athena process), but it just takes so much effort to make the phone usable.
Unlike Xiaomi, Oppo never values the enthusiast community (just see how hard it is to apply for "deep test" and unlock bootloader), however it seems they are changing their thinking with Realme, at least it is easier to unlock on Realme devices and there are increasing number of developers and 3rd party Roms for Realme devices.
3597dxta said:
Thanks a lot pal, your review deserves many likes, I'm using a domestic Oppo Reno 10x and I have to say that what you said was all truth
Buy the way if you're a chinese guy than I have to be admired your english
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Actually I'm from Hong Kong
Yeah, I've been pretty disappointed with my Chinese model.
I didn't know I was going to get a Chinese model when I bought the phone to use in the USA. At least I only paid $400 for it. :/
nerdydesi said:
Yeah, I've been pretty disappointed with my Chinese model.
I didn't know I was going to get a Chinese model when I bought the phone to use in the USA. At least I only paid $400 for it. :/
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My sentiments EXACTLY!! I can't decide whether to just keep it until something better comes out or to go ahead and find a Global model to replace it...
Hey,
this is my first post and i just have a quick question.
I just bought the chinese version since it just cost me about 370€.
It didn´t arrive yet but i´m wondering if i could just download the global rom from the official oppo website and flash it onto my device?
Edit: yeah not possible. Too stupid to read the whole text
Boss_Baby said:
Hey,
this is my first post and i just have a quick question.
I just bought the chinese version since it just cost me about 370€.
It didn´t arrive yet but i´m wondering if i could just download the global rom from the official oppo website and flash it onto my device?
Edit: yeah not possible. Too stupid to read the whole text
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I've managed to make mine at least "workable" with this guide:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/re...e-launcher-t4067849/post82030819#post82030819
squallho1 said:
Having used Reno 10X China Version (PCCM00) for almost 6 months now, I must say overall it's a great device, but with some flaws in OS design that needs to be tweaked in order to make it usable. Few days ago, I was lucky enough to buy a used Reno 10X Global Version (CPH1919, my phone is a Taiwan version CPH1919TW to be more precise, but it shares the same rom as global version CPH1919EX) at reasonable price. Since it’s not often to own both China and Global version, I would like to share my comments on PCCM00 VS CPH1919. Since the main difference is the implementation of ColorOS, I think below applies to any Oppo / Realme phone comparing their China / Global version as well.
The PCCM00 has been upgraded to Android 10 beta, but I had used Android 9 for enough time before the upgrade.
Hardware:
Both shares the exact same hardware, no notable difference in size/weight nor screen/camera quality.
Preloaded software:
PCCM00 comes with a lot of bloatware, some of which is not removable without using ADB. It has Google framework, you can easily install Google Play APK and other Google services. (Making them usable is another story, see below). There’s no Google App and thus no Google Assistant, you get Breeno which is useless for non-Mandarin speakers or users outside China.
CPH1919 comes with all Google services preloaded as system app, you can also press power button for 0.5s to activate Google Assistant. There are still some bloatware, but most of them can be uninstalled directly.
Notification icon on status bar
PCCM00 has no option for displaying notification icon on status bar until very recent A44 firmware or Android 10 (ColorOS 7) beta. CPH1919 on the other hand, has this feature from day 1.
Application / Power management
The biggest downside for PCCM00 is its application / power management. Its application management is way too aggressive that by default, no application is allowed to be running in background, except for some common Chinese apps like WeChat. As a result, no application will be showing any notification or push message, or receiving any updates. To fix this, you must select custom power management, set each app to allow running in background, plus setting each app to allow auto-start. However, you are only allowed to set a maximum of 5 Apps auto-start, setting Gmail and Google App already takes you 2 (If you don’t set this, Google Assistant will be reset every time you run, as the system expects the Google App to be always running in the background), and you need to be very careful on the 3 quotas left. Even you have set all of the above for your IM / e-mail / news APP, the system will still sometimes not sending any update all of a sudden (it’s always too late when you discovered it), and you need to restart your phone to get it working again. The ColorOS 7 Beta seems to be a little bit better with more Apps included in the auto-start white list as default (like Facebook and WhatsApp), so you have more freedom on your own choice of 5 auto-start apps.
CPH1919, on the other hand, behaves much like a regular functioning phone. I get notification from all my apps without changing any settings in power management, yet I don’t see any big difference in battery life between the two phones.
Conclusion
I’m very surprised when receiving the CPH1919, that the phone is just so much better out of the box. This also shows Oppo software developers actually know how to properly configure a phone (at least for their Global Rom department). Giving that it’s still impossible to flash the global ROM on a PCCM00 (you can unlock bootloader, flash TWRP and Root, but there’s no 3rd party ROM available, and you can’t flash global ROM on it. The two phone’s partition size are different, see other posts for discussion), I would strongly advice anyone who is interested in buying an Oppo / Realme phone, to stay away from China version. You probably have to pay more for global version, but it’s definitely worth it.
(please forgive me for the screen showing Chinese UI, I was just too lazy to swtich them to English, but you can still see all important info)
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If you still have the Chinese variant with you , can you please share the default calendar and notes app . And it would be really nice if you can change the permissions of the said apps before posting . With default permissions the apps won't install . Someone has already shared the app in another thread but that one does not install because of the default permissions.
Thanks for sharing :good: I'm also an owner of PCCM00 which I bought while in Shanghai.
Overall I'm quite OK with this version since I don't use google related apps as often as I was back in US, one thing that bugs me the most is the the security measure on this phone. For example, PCCM00 doesn't come with "touble tap turn off screen" feature, and I didn't feel like changing the launcher with ADB since that breaks the full screen hand gesture. So installing a third-party app with this feature will ask you to turn on "Accessibility Service", but after a while the phone will automaticaly turn this feature off again without you knowing. After consulting on OPPP forum I find out this is how they protect and secure the phone and there's no other way to change it. Well this sucks, I still can't figure out a way or if there will ever be a way.
By the way, did you buy CPH1919 within China or elsewhere? I'm looking to replace my with the global version, still trying to find a seller but I'm stuck in Shanghai.
squallho1 said:
Having used Reno 10X China Version (PCCM00) for almost 6 months now, I must say overall it's a great device, but with some flaws in OS design that needs to be tweaked in order to make it usable. Few days ago, I was lucky enough to buy a used Reno 10X Global Version (CPH1919, my phone is a Taiwan version CPH1919TW to be more precise, but it shares the same rom as global version CPH1919EX) at reasonable price. Since it’s not often to own both China and Global version, I would like to share my comments on PCCM00 VS CPH1919. Since the main difference is the implementation of ColorOS, I think below applies to any Oppo / Realme phone comparing their China / Global version as well.
The PCCM00 has been upgraded to Android 10 beta, but I had used Android 9 for enough time before the upgrade.
Hardware:
Both shares the exact same hardware, no notable difference in size/weight nor screen/camera quality.
Preloaded software:
PCCM00 comes with a lot of bloatware, some of which is not removable without using ADB. It has Google framework, you can easily install Google Play APK and other Google services. (Making them usable is another story, see below). There’s no Google App and thus no Google Assistant, you get Breeno which is useless for non-Mandarin speakers or users outside China.
CPH1919 comes with all Google services preloaded as system app, you can also press power button for 0.5s to activate Google Assistant. There are still some bloatware, but most of them can be uninstalled directly.
Notification icon on status bar
PCCM00 has no option for displaying notification icon on status bar until very recent A44 firmware or Android 10 (ColorOS 7) beta. CPH1919 on the other hand, has this feature from day 1.
Application / Power management
The biggest downside for PCCM00 is its application / power management. Its application management is way too aggressive that by default, no application is allowed to be running in background, except for some common Chinese apps like WeChat. As a result, no application will be showing any notification or push message, or receiving any updates. To fix this, you must select custom power management, set each app to allow running in background, plus setting each app to allow auto-start. However, you are only allowed to set a maximum of 5 Apps auto-start, setting Gmail and Google App already takes you 2 (If you don’t set this, Google Assistant will be reset every time you run, as the system expects the Google App to be always running in the background), and you need to be very careful on the 3 quotas left. Even you have set all of the above for your IM / e-mail / news APP, the system will still sometimes not sending any update all of a sudden (it’s always too late when you discovered it), and you need to restart your phone to get it working again. The ColorOS 7 Beta seems to be a little bit better with more Apps included in the auto-start white list as default (like Facebook and WhatsApp), so you have more freedom on your own choice of 5 auto-start apps.
CPH1919, on the other hand, behaves much like a regular functioning phone. I get notification from all my apps without changing any settings in power management, yet I don’t see any big difference in battery life between the two phones.
Conclusion
I’m very surprised when receiving the CPH1919, that the phone is just so much better out of the box. This also shows Oppo software developers actually know how to properly configure a phone (at least for their Global Rom department). Giving that it’s still impossible to flash the global ROM on a PCCM00 (you can unlock bootloader, flash TWRP and Root, but there’s no 3rd party ROM available, and you can’t flash global ROM on it. The two phone’s partition size are different, see other posts for discussion), I would strongly advice anyone who is interested in buying an Oppo / Realme phone, to stay away from China version. You probably have to pay more for global version, but it’s definitely worth it.
(please forgive me for the screen showing Chinese UI, I was just too lazy to swtich them to English, but you can still see all important info)
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I got mine used from 'idlefish', also developed by Alibaba but specifically for buy and sell used items.
Global version phone doesn't come up too often, but when they are they often come with discount (since to mainland users global versions are inferior).
Recently I saw a lot of sellers selling new Reno 5G UK version (CPH1921EE) at a discount, however it's still uncertain whether the 5G version will receive ColorOS 7...
Any help to unlock bootloader in global varient ?
Themes and theme store are an issue on global rom (depending upon region unless Asia/Australia from what I have heard). No such issue with the China device.
is that possible to set default browser of china version to chrome.
vidsava said:
is that possible to set default browser of china version to chrome.
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You have to use ADB to disable or completly uninstall the default browser, setting the default brower doesn't help much.