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Hi guys!
I am looking for a nice android based radio to my Outlander 2011. I found at least 5 types of design "Fascia change" devices. I think that they are not so popular among people so I have another question. I am looking for 2DIN newest device. Could you please give me a list of 5 newest or best pieces I should consider? It is very important for me to keep steering wheel buttons working and need very good sound quality on built in Rockford Fosgate audio system with external amp and 2-3ohm 8x speakers + woofer. I've heard that some devices not work properly or give not exciting experience.
Thanks a lot!
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If you looking for a Android aftermarket there is no way you can choose with audio like the way you wanted. They're just simply like China Android phone or tablet placed on your car.
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So there is no any bestseller?
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Personally, I'm waiting for the 8 core systems to mature a bit. I have a 4 core, and it's a little sluggish. I find myself having to roll back to 4.4.4 after upgrading to 5.1. Just too slow. The new 8 core systems are out, but it still seems early to make a firm decision. Ownice and Indashnet seem to be the 2 main manufacturers that I've seen. Everyone else does 4 core. Joying has a 2GB Intel based system that kind of rests in the middle, but considering it costs about the same as an octacore, I would rather wait a bit to see which of those the community takes to the most.
I got deeper into those 8 core and they seem to be super crappy as they use extremely slow Allwinner and Mediatek A53 which sucks. Intel in Joying looks interesting but this device has problems with obdii and few other things. I ve seen pumpkin doing also intel device. However maybe some of you know if there is any manufacturer who still has dvd slot with Intel SoFIA and 2GB + USB for pendrive music? Or at least USB.
On the other hand - is it very hard to make car USB in armrest working with such android device?
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Or on the other hand - What about Windows CE 6.0 devices - are they causing less problems? What I need is nice and smooth infotainment system, working steering wheel buttons, bluetooth and usb and fast boot after turning engine on.
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Right now I believe the 2GB Intel Sofia head units with Android 5.1.1 from Joying are the best. There are 8 core units on the way, but who knows if that's one month or six months down the road... There are also some units advertising Android 6, but reports seem to indicate that these are a mess of a mashup between 4.4, 5.1 and 6.0, and not true 6.0 units. As for performance, I'm pretty happy with the Intel unit. I wouldn't use it for gaming, but it does all what I need it to do which is Maps, Spotify, 1080p movies and so forth. Unless you have some specific need for doing something that requires very high performance, it is quite adequate as a head unit in a car.
As for special sound setups, it gives you preamp outputs, 4 channels (FR/FL and RR/RL) as well as a sub output. The sub output isn't really managed though, so no crossover or phase selection on it. You can use these preamp outputs to hook up aftermarket amplifiers, but don't expect the head unit to power big speakers with the internal amplifier.
I didn't read the same things about the 8 core units on here. Many people are saying that the CPUs are a lot faster than the Intel cpus, and at least some of them are running true 6.0, not a mashup. It's legit, but nothing has been rooted and the community is still divided. I've definitely read that the Intel CPUs won't be upgrading past 5.1 because they're no longer supported by the manufacturer as well.
My source is mostly this post, and the thread it's in:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=70311462&postcount=12
As far as I know, yes Intel has dropped the Atoms, but Rockchip has taken over the chips and will continue making them and supporting them as per a cooperation agreement with Intel (source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockchip look at the bottom to see Intel Sofia 3G). Intel may have pulled out, but the architecture isn't dead yet. Sure, it may be dying and might not have any new direct successors, but I recon it's time to upgrade the entire head unit long before it reaches the end of its useful lifespan (2-3 years). This will be true for any smart android head unit you buy today anyway..
Do any of the other 2GB RAM Android Head Units available today have a true sleep or suspend (ultra low power mode) that allows the unit to start up instantly like the 2GB Intel Sofia models? To clarify, this instant on feature is not the same as the past Rockchip or other cpu type of Android head units that have options for delayed shutdown of up to two hours or more. This new feature means you do not have to wait 30 to 60 seconds for the system to fully boot after sitting for a few hours or days. IMHO, the instant on feature combined with 2GBs of RAM appears to be the best or one of the best options for Android head units available today. Do the latest Ownice or Indashnet units have this instant on feature? If not, that would be a deal breaker for me, as I have Joying and Hotaudio units that work fine for most part (thanks to the xda firmware developers and contributors here). Nonetheless, these older 1GB RAM Rockchip units could be faster and the boot time is not acceptable in a vehicle.
Moreover, any Android head unit that does not allow for root access would be a complete deal breaker here, no matter how fast... (no root = no purchase). The one thing that concerns me with the 2GB Intel Sofia models is that nobody on xda appears to have found a way to access Recovery yet.
In regard to audio quality, even the 1GB RK3188 JY and HA units sound decent in my Mitsubishi with the correct factory amp adapter wiring kit and the Viper V4A audio mod app.. Please note that I'm not an audiophile by any means, so your mileage will vary.
Anyway, just my 2 cents... and thanks in advance to anyone that can let me know if any of the other Android head units have the instant on feature.
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I recently installed a Joying 2GB RAM intel head unit, and although it is NOT a high powered cpu ( 4cores at 1.1 Ghz) it does seem adequate for its purpose.
Typically I run torque / bluetooth ODBII, dashcam/dvr, music app, tablet talk, read it to me, and google maps at all times. Processor usage is normally in the 50-65% range and it still seems quite snappy. The intel chip does run hot, and thermal throttling can be a issue. I added a big heatsink and fan at the top of the case, problem solved. The instant on works very well. When starting the car it automatically finds my phone, ODBII adapter, and hotspot within a couple of seconds of power on.
It does suck not having any type of recovery such as TWRP. The only way to recover from a non-booting system is a full reload of the stock ROM. It does leave the /data partition so at least all your apps are still there, and most settings can be restored using titanium backup. Just today I updated the boot animation with one I created and it wouldn't boot. It took me about 1 hour to get it restored back. At least it does have root out of the box.
The Joying is my first android based HU, and I'm actually quite impressed with it so far.
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As far as I know, yes Intel has dropped the Atoms, but Rockchip has taken over the chips and will continue making them and supporting them as per a cooperation agreement with Intel (source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockchip look at the bottom to see Intel Sofia 3G). Intel may have pulled out, but the architecture isn't dead yet. Sure, it may be dying and might not have any new direct successors, but I recon it's time to upgrade the entire head unit long before it reaches the end of its useful lifespan (2-3 years). This will be true for any smart android head unit you buy today anyway..
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I guess my issue here is that I, also, already have a 1gb 4 core unit. So, for me, I'm looking for a bit of a better upgrade if I'm going to spend another $400 so soon. I am, honestly, hoping for a way to upgrade my current system - I don't think they'll make compatible modules for the Intel or the octa core. That said, I'm going to limp along with my current system as long as I can before making a decision. I think that for those making a decision right this minute, there's a lot to take into consideration. I would seriously recommend avoiding the 1gb RK3066 or RK3188 units at this point, though.
If you have a head unit that works today and you're not in immediate need of a new one today, then you can safely wait and see what the coming months will bring. It seems that the market for these Android units are finally moving away from 1GB ram units, in favor of 2GB ram. At this point, you should avoid everything which only comes with 1GB ram. I never had one, but from what I read they didn't allow much in terms of multitasking. The 2GB units will always perform better than the 1GB units, so the choice is fairly easy there. The benefit from the Joying Intel units, is that they are the only ones I've seen so far which offer 32GB internal storage. I don't understand why in 2016, now 2017 the other manufacturers insist on sticking with 16GB internal storage, but this gives a quite distinctive advantage to Joying. Also the previously mentioned sleep mode where you get true instant on feature is really nice.
Can someone having Rockford in Mitsubishi can tell anything about built in car BT and phone buttons in steering wheel? They still work or at least are used to control phone functions in HU?
What about USB in arnrest and AUX - do they work or is it possible to wire them for working?
Rockford will still have it's power? HU amp is written to have 4x50W while whole system is 8 speakers + 1 woofer altogether 710W. What is rockford's input?
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Hilari0 said:
If you have a head unit that works today and you're not in immediate need of a new one today, then you can safely wait and see what the coming months will bring. It seems that the market for these Android units are finally moving away from 1GB ram units, in favor of 2GB ram. At this point, you should avoid everything which only comes with 1GB ram. I never had one, but from what I read they didn't allow much in terms of multitasking. The 2GB units will always perform better than the 1GB units, so the choice is fairly easy there. The benefit from the Joying Intel units, is that they are the only ones I've seen so far which offer 32GB internal storage. I don't understand why in 2016, now 2017 the other manufacturers insist on sticking with 16GB internal storage, but this gives a quite distinctive advantage to Joying. Also the previously mentioned sleep mode where you get true instant on feature is really nice.
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The 32GB doesn't matter as much to me because I don't install that many apps. I have a 128gb USB stick connected for my music, and I can easily jump that much higher if I need to. 2gb ram is definitely important. The faster the CPU the better, though. My quad core 3188 is sluggish even when I don't have anything loaded and I'm not maxing the RAM.
A mate installed a yum cha Joying JY-135 and it seems ok. Radio signal seems to be weak. It seems to auto connect via bt to a Samsung 6 and starts to play audio but I have to manually press play to start audio on my M9. The screen doesn't dim when you turn the lights on which kind of sucks.
I think for music it should be fine and works well in my mates Nissan. As for me, I'd be using the rca's, just a shame that there's no sub volume control so you'll need a separate sub control knob.
choochee - which car do you have?
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choochee - which car do you have?
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Mates car is a Nissan X-Trail '07. I've got a Subaru Liberty Gen 4. We'll connect it with the proper supplied loom soon, only temp spliced at the moment. Can confirm that hu turns on straight away.
Almost made decision but still need to get sure. There are 2 options with Intel Sofia: pumpkin and joying (2DIN standart) Which one better to choose and why?
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Can someone having Rockford in Mitsubishi can tell anything about built in car BT and phone buttons in steering wheel? They still work or at least are used to control phone functions in HU?
What about USB in arnrest and AUX - do they work or is it possible to wire them for working?
Rockford will still have it's power? HU amp is written to have 4x50W while whole system is 8 speakers + 1 woofer altogether 710W. What is rockford's input?
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Hi, i have just installed a Joying UL-135N2 in my 2011 Outlander Rockford Navi.
Some part of the installation where quite manageable, but some parts are more complicated.
With the right adaptor, CTSMT002.2 from connects2 the Rockford and the SWC works.
The original BT will not work, but the SWC works with the HU BT functions.
Reverse camera needs 6.8V signal from the HU, so here you need an step-down converter and some soldering.
The USB in the armrest needs an adaptor cable, alternatively you can disassemble the mid console and solder the cable.
I have ordered the step-down and the adaptor cable , but not received yet. I have tested the camera with 6V, but the image quality is poor, hope the 6.8V is better.
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Hi all,
I'm totally new here and have no experience with android HU's at all!
I recently bought a Skoda Octavia (2012) with a RNS315 in it. It seems the navigation updates are quiet expensive and the navigation itself is not that good I think. So I started looking for an other device.
I would love to keep basic functions as: PDC, airco, maxidot, steer wheel controls,...
My eyes felt on the Joying android HU's, especially the ones with the look as the VM130N2. This device still have some buttons on it, which is handy in the car I think.
This model exist in the Intel Atom X3 version and the Rockchip PX5. Is the last one the better choice? (newest version I guess)
Or are there other brands that are better for (almost) the same price?
I've read the Joying HU can use some extra cooling, but installing a fan isn't that big problem I think.
Does these units display the name of the radio station on the screen? Or only the frequency?
Thanks in advance!
By trading your RNS for Joying you'll surely get better navigation, but you are going to miss:
- sound quality
- radio reception quality
- Maxidot integration (no navi guidance at all)
- overall quality/integrity
But again the whole Android world will be at your disposal. I traded my RNS510 for Joying and did not have a temptation to get it back despite all Joying's flaws.
Other brands that are better for sound quality? (Pumpkin, Eonon,...)
The Joying HU are on Android 6 others are on Android 8, isn't it a shame to buy an older system now? Or no problem at all to update to the newest Android software?
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Other brands that are better for sound quality? (Pumpkin, Eonon,...)
The Joying HU are on Android 6 others are on Android 8, isn't it a shame to buy an older system now? Or no problem at all to update to the newest Android software?
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If you buy a Sony you definitely have better sound quality.
If you buy a Joying, buy the one without the internal amplifier, for example the VM130N2 you mention and NOT the VM130N2D. You better use an external amp to improve the sound.
I have a Joying VM130N2 and would buy either a Joying or Dasaita back.
Atom X3 (Sofia 3GR) is slightly faster than PX5, but the PX5 is 8-core. In the case of multi-threading apps (actually only Google apps), more cores might be useful on a "loaded" system. Even though the PX5 is an underperforming CPU and not better than an Atom X3, it still is the future for the coming 1-2 years as every supplier is abandoning the PX3 and Sofia 3GR, and switching to PX5.
If you want to run custom ROMs, you better choose a Joying or Witson Sofia 3GR (gtx made a very good custom rom) or a PX5 mtcd to be able to use the Malaysk custom ROM. The Joying PX5s are non-mtcd units and therefore incompatible with the Malaysk ROM.
And w.r.t. Android 8: Choose very carefully. Some units are really running 6 or 7 and only have the look & feel of Android 8.
What do you think about the Dasaita HA2137-V840? Should have a better internal amp (don't know if it's true, or just publicity). Have had external amps in my car before, but don't want it in my "new" car.
Probably the dasaita isn't a PX5 mtcd?
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My $0.02. Skip the Chinese head units. I've been through 5 of them in the last 10 years. First was a single din media player. It died after 3 years. Second was an ebay purchase of a Windows CE with IGO in 2011ish. Seller said it had GPS--it didn't. Then the screen died sitting on the shelf when I tried firing it up a few years later. Next I bought a Windows CE with GPS unit lasted 3 years till till DVD player died in 2015. Then the res of the unit/screen died on the shelf after trying it a few years later. Then in 2015, I got an android allwinner A13 single core 4.04/8gb storage/1gb ram. The unit died after 2 years. Plus it was so slow and under-powered, that it was a waste of time to use. Then I bought a Joying intel sofia unit in 2017 January. It was pretty good unit until it stopped working. The screen started flaking out intermittently on and off after 9 months. Joying admitted they had a fault but that they fixed it the manufacturing process but the solder joints needed repair from too many heating/cooling cycles.
I'm done with this generic Chinese junk. These units simply are not weather resistant for long term exposure to the elements in the car, and they lack decent cooling. All of this is aside from various complaints of buggy software implementations.
So I bought a Pioneer unit head unit with Android auto, and so far quite happy with it.
https://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-AVH-...86&sr=1-1&keywords=AVH-2300NEX+Multimedia+DVD
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Vennet84 said:
What do you think about the Dasaita HA2137-V840? Should have a better internal amp (don't know if it's true, or just publicity). Have had external amps in my car before, but don't want it in my "new" car.
Probably the dasaita isn't a PX5 mtcd?
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Look at the AMP chip. In the Joyings it is a TDA7388. Some other brand units come with a TDA7850 chip and sometimes with a Pioneer PA2030A.
Those are much better.
The Dasaita HA2137-V840 does have the TDA7850 and a better radio chip than the joyings (that is also why I mentioned that I might buy a Dasaita back. All chinese units are definitely not top-quality, but the Dasaita is slighly better).
I have really no idea whether it is an MTCD unit. Please ask Dasaita directly via mail, either via AlieExpress of via their own site www.hot-audio.com
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So I bought a Pioneer unit head unit with Android auto, and so far quite happy with it.
https://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-AVH-...86&sr=1-1&keywords=AVH-2300NEX+Multimedia+DVD
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Yeah, well. My brother bought a pioneer Android unit (can't remember which one). He had to wait 1½ year before they fixed the bluetooth issues.
So much for Pioneer. It is a mixed bag everywhere until you buy a unit of at least 750 euros/dollars.
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Vennet84;76001632 vHi all said:
My $0.02. Skip the Chinese head units.
So I bought a Pioneer unit head unit with Android auto, and so far quite happy with it.
https://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-AVH-...86&sr=1-1&keywords=AVH-2300NEX+Multimedia+DVD
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I second that. Chinese Android head units may be a suitable upgrade for older cars but are no match for recent OEM units. And most recent OEMs include Android Auto/CarPlay support which renders manufacturer navi useless.
In your particular case, the RNS315 doesn't seem to have that but there seems to be a direct replacement, the RCD 330 Plus, that keeps all previous functionality and adds AA/CP connectivity.
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Which are the best options for a 10.1 inch android 2 din head unit?
Seen a few options between Joying or Xtrons? Does anybody recommend a specific model from either of these brands?
Only real preferences is how deep the front screen panel sticks out. Keep it to a minimal, or make it rotatable.
Any recommendations?
ALSO! Plus points for how much support there is out there for the model, either from the manufacturer or through the XDA forums.
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ALSO! Plus points for how much support there is out there for the model, either from the manufacturer or through the XDA forums.
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In terms of XDA support I think your best bet is a MTCD/MTCE PX5 unit. Great custom roms, utilities and customisation.
millab said:
In terms of XDA support I think your best bet is a MTCD/MTCE PX5 unit. Great custom roms, utilities and customisation.
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Have any links to units?
Do many double din unit have an audio in port/wiring? Ive read I'll need it to keep my factory fitted reverse sensors working
Have a look at units by Eonon or XTRONS. - I believe if you get a unit customised for your car that it includes a module to retain stock functions like that.
You’ll want the new joying intel based head units they just came out with. They have a new dsp chip in it that will make a massive difference in audio. They also have 4G for them too. They have optical Spdif digital audio output as well.
I heard the new Joying don't have fast boot though. Can anyone confirm?
I'm looking for the best double-din out there right now myself. Any direction would be helpful. Thanks.
New joying intel octacore units has fastboot working
Thanks.
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I ended up with this Eonon unit in the end:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07J2RNNQF/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Seems ok so far, the screen is rotatable too.
However, if i may return it and get the joying 4GB Octacore unit instead.
Does anybody have it? And any photos of how much it protrudes out the dash?
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I ended up with this Eonon unit in the end:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07J2RNNQF/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Seems ok so far, the screen is rotatable too.
However, if i may return it and get the joying 4GB Octacore unit instead.
Does anybody have it? And any photos of how much it protrudes out the dash?
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I would return it and get a PX5 headunit instead.
Hello mates,
I want to buy 2din android head unit for Mazda 6 GH 2009. Via Eonon website I can find 2 models almost similar and I don't know wich one is more powerfull, so the two options are :
1) Eonon GA9198B - PX5 1.5GHz Cortex A53 Octa-core 4GB DDR3
2) Eonon GA9298B - Rockchip PX30 1.5GH Cortex A35 Quad-Core 2GB 2GB RAM
I know is a huge difference between 2 and 4 GB ram but I don't know anything regarding those two cpus ... Any Ideea ?
Also will be much apreciated if you sugest other head unit better then those two mentioned.
Hey! I definitely recommend the PX5 over the PX30 - the PX5 is faster, more established and has lots of support on XDA. Have a look in the MTCD forum if you want to know more about these units.
I have an Eonon GA2171S which is PX5 and it is great, and there are lots of mods available. I definitely recommend installing Hal9k 3.1 ROM for full functionality.
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Hey! I definitely recommend the PX5 over the PX30 - the PX5 is faster, more established and has lots of support on XDA. Have a look in the MTCD forum if you want to know more about these units.
I have an Eonon GA2171S which is PX5 and it is great, and there are lots of mods available. I definitely recommend installing Hal9k 3.1 ROM for full functionality.
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Any reason not to go with a PX30 , I'm looking at the GA3175 as the price is good and specs seem pretty good.
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I take it you mean the GA2175? See my previous post - PX5 is faster and has much better support here at XDA for mods etc. I'm not aware of any ROMs for PX30, while PX5 has Hal9K 3.1 which really fixes all the shortcomings of these types of units.
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I take it you mean the GA2175? See my previous post - PX5 is faster and has much better support here at XDA for mods etc. I'm not aware of any ROMs for PX30, while PX5 has Hal9K 3.1 which really fixes all the shortcomings of these types of units.
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Yes GA2175, i saw your post and i'm not interested in rom availabilty as yet so thats no issue. Was wondering if i would be disappointed with it over a 2170/2170B, 2175 is currently $214 versus 2170B $274. Fitting kit for my canbus Landrover was $185 which has killed the budget a bit.
Ok fair enough, the PX30 will be a little slower, but in all there won't be a lot of difference. Screen and components will mostly be identical. Out of interest why are you getting a canbus fitting kit?
Couldn't you find a unit which fits your vehicle?
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Ok fair enough, the PX30 will be a little slower, but in all there won't be a lot of difference. Screen and components will mostly be identical. Out of interest why are you getting a canbus fitting kit?
Couldn't you find a unit which fits your vehicle?
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Nothing off the shelf and i would need the fitting kit anyway for the wheel controls and canbus integration.
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Nothing off the shelf and i would need the fitting kit anyway for the wheel controls and canbus integration.
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Oh ok, yeah the ones which are made to fit certain cars generally already have the canbus functionality so don't need a fitting kit. What model land rover is it? I can see some for a 2007-2012 Freelander 2 like this:
http://xtrons.com/pb78dlrpl-android...with-7-display-custom-fit-for-land-rover.html
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Oh ok, yeah the ones which are made to fit certain cars generally already have the canbus functionality so don't need a fitting kit. What model land rover is it? I can see some for a 2007-2012 Freelander 2 like this:
http://xtrons.com/pb78dlrpl-android...with-7-display-custom-fit-for-land-rover.html
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Discovery3, i looked at that but i cant see how that would work in mine as they share the same fascia, i have ordered an Aepro kit and still deciding which head unit to buy.
Looking to buy a new android head unit, after some research , most likely I would go for one of the 2 below:
Dasaita Android 9.0 Car Radio 2 Din GPS- 2018 PX6 Built-in DSP IPS Screen 4Gb+64Gb 6-Core RDS WIFI Bluetooth
Joying New 10.1" 1 Din TDA7851 Android 8.1 Car Radio Player Multimedia GPS Navigation Audio Stereo DSP
Dasaita is a 6 cores - 2 cores running at 1.8Ghz, 4 at 1.5 Ghz, the benchmarks shows this unit performing better on the single core test, Joying is winning the multi-core. Not sure how much of a difference is going to be in a real life normal usage. Both units should perform nice. Joying unit comes with the new 8 core Intel SC9853I with 1.8Ghz per core, from what I read on this forum, looks like this product doesn't feel as solid as the Dasaita unit, still things that are being fixed through monthly updates from the manufacturer. Joying has SPDIF Coaxial digital audio output, Dasaita has HDMI out for video as distinctive features for these two units. One big concern would be regarding the Joying unit that it might get hotter than the Dasaita unit plus the not so polished software. Not sure which one to go for, I would appreciate your take on this, if you own any of these 2 units. PX6 RK3399 or Intel Airmont SC9853i ?
Hi, as being switched from px5 to the joying intel sc9853i head unit, i would definetly choose the dasaita px6 for below reasons;
1- Cpu power does not means everything and intel cpu gets very very hot 80~100 C during summers, of course this could be avoided by adding extra fan along with a heat sink but small one hence there is not much space inside the cage
2-PX6 is most known platform and lots of flexibility cos its a well known product unlike the joying intel head unit
3- Software of the joying is terrible, there are a lot of bugs and those will be affecting your daily driving experience and they will make you crazy after a while believe me
4- There is a joying support only allegedly, most of the time they can not be able the solve the problem and that garbage intel head unit has a lots of way to go to become a normal daily usage head unit
5- SPDIF is not a game changer option by itself, i have done side by side rca-spdif outputs and there is a very tiny difference in terms of audio quality
6- There is no xposed framework support which is tremendous effect on head unit ( I am putting this as a standalone remark hence this could fix the some of the bugs)
I hope these are the answers which you looking for..
cheers..
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Hi, as being switched from px5 to the joying intel sc9853i head unit, i would definetly choose the dasaita px6 for below reasons;
1- Cpu power does not means everything and intel cpu gets very very hot 80~100 C during summers, of course this could be avoided by adding extra fan along with a heat sink but small one hence there is not much space inside the cage
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The PX6 can also become very hot. Same issue with all the faster CPUs.
Another point is rooting/Xposed/custom roms: I'm sure that Malyask has a PX6 custom ready in the near future. He already made one for the PX30 (don't buy a PX30).
And HAL9K most probably will have a PX6 custom rom pretty soon as well as he is "sponsored" by some Australian vendor of those units.
Due to the new flashing technique used on the 9853i (compared to the Joying Sofia and PX5), it is now also possible to make a custom rom for the 9853i. (but as long as my PX5 is working properly I will not switch to a 9853i and maybe never).
I have same dilemma as you. I tried to list out pros and cons for each in my opinion.
Above all else, I just want it to sound really good.
Dasaita px6 dsp pros:
Android 9 vs 8.1
Rockchip platform seems to have more longevity / development vs intel ?
Mali 864 vs Mali 820 (not a huge deal)
Faster single core performance
HDMI out (nice to have)
2 camera inputs
3 1.5 amp usb outputs
Cons:
Need to purchase android auto / carplay dongles separately (100+ for both)
No spdif out
Screen not easily / quickly removable
Unsure if canbus adapter for chevy cruze is compatible
Joying 8.1 intel DSP pros:
spdif out
android auto / apple carplay support built in via zlink
Easy to remove screen
Seem to have good technical / customer support?
Joying makes a direct 7 inch oem style replacement for my 2011 silverado vehicle, which makes getting harness / canbus adapter easy....
Faster multi core performance from CPU
Cons:
No video out
Android 8.1
usb / bluetooth limitations?
overheating issues potentially (live in phoenix lol)
I personally still using the 3 years old PX3 from Joying.. had twice the screen replaced for free due to cabling fault
and by looking at some reviews for the new units and build quality, I'd say they are quite good. They even produce variants screens like the 8" one that looked pretty solid.
The only downside I may think of is only the Android/software support for the Intel units. You are pretty much only relying on 1 single seller/manufacturer for the updates, unlike MTCx units.
WOW! Also I'm in big dilema ...which HU i'll have to choose: joying, xtons, witson, eonon, daisata, so many brands .... I was determinated on Joying with Intel SC9853i, because at this moment they offer HU with best hardware specs on the market, but after I read this thread and this one I have big reservations.... For me and my car best fit is a HU with buttons, not only touch. I prefer this ones because they looks closer to the original media player.
So, after 1 week of searches, digging, I have to face it with this conclusions:
-Joying have best hw specs on market, 8Cores Intel SC9853i, built in DSP, responsive support, but many bugs;
-Xtorns have a good build quality on their HU, maybe the best, sadly NO built in DSP, more expensive than competition, they have 6Cores PX6 on their lastest HU, not so much info on this forum about xtrons and their rom stabiltiy or support;
-Witson, I'm witson old HU owner, quad core, 1GB ram, and the experience was average, because the lack of ram memory, but after 2 years it still working. Now they offer 8Cores Px5 with a fair price, NO DSP, also not much info about support
--about other brands I have no knowledge, so no opinion!
After this conclusion, now I'm aimed on Xtrons, but in no hurry! I think if they had DSP on their unit, it was a 1st choise for me...so I have to find more info about user experience with this brand. Maybe someone share his experience/opinions about xtrons , and why not, about anyother brands to complete this thread!
THX!!
surfer63 said:
The PX6 can also become very hot. Same issue with all the faster CPUs.
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Very hot is a relative subject. The question is does it become as hot as Intel and throttle? I think in the past also Intel units had more heat related issues than other units. But more importantly, you never know when Intel will stop supporting the platform. It is new and risky.
That said, Joying Intel units have 2s boot. I haven't seen any PX6 unit which claims to support this. I wonder why? as PX5 units had this feature???
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Very hot is a relative subject. The question is does it become as hot as Intel and throttle? I think in the past also Intel units had more heat related issues than other units. But more importantly, you never know when Intel will stop supporting the platform. It is new and risky.
That said, Joying Intel units have 2s boot. I haven't seen any PX6 unit which claims to support this. I wonder why? as PX5 units had this feature???
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Of course heat is relative. But the PX5 definitely got hot and started throttling down. Cooling it was one of the first things I had to do. I was not able to find the specs back, but the px6 iss comparable to the PX5.
Lots of home media units contain PX5s and cetainly need a big heatsink. Based on same spec measurements I guess it is the sam for the PX6 (but I can't prove, as I can't find back these measurements )
the 2seconds startup has nothing to do with the CPU, but with the additional hardware: the MCU and MCU firmware. Only the FYT based MCU types can do this.
@surfer63 it is interesting information about 2-3s boot. But why FYT does not have PX6 units? To be honest, right now I am not able to find any PX5 units with fast boot even.
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@surfer63 it is interesting information about 2-3s boot. But why FYT does not have PX6 units? To be honest, right now I am not able to find any PX5 units with fast boot even.
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I don't know whether they have or have not PX6 models. Joying only has the 9853i models from Fyt. There are however more FYT resellers than Joying.
Why do you want to have a PX6? You want a good functioning unit with as few bugs as possible. Performance wise it doesn't make a big difference, if any.
The downside for Intel socs is the precious trial with Intel Sofia units.
Manufacturers bet for Intel two-three years ago and moved fast again to rockchip platforms leaving Intel Sofia's with no support
In my opinion dont let be tempted by hardware specs...here the key is the software.
These units have hardware enough for the extrnse use for the car environment....if software is not stable....then your headunit is useless manufacturers don't give you the correct support (the most often case) then you have to move to any developer support....
Today the MTCD/MTCE based mcu units are the best developing supported (thanks to malaysk and hal9k) both are moving to px6 now.
With respect to which brand....in my opinion...many manufacturers claim warranties but no answer when troubles appear. I can recommend Dasaita (you can read many posts in which dasaita has been made the correct support for customers)
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I followed Intel path for 2 important features that matters for me:
1. Fast boot. My unit is up less then 1 second and this aspect is very important.
2. DSP that gives a much better sound quality and settings compared with any PX solution I've tested.
And another big factor that made me decide was that HU i bought looks 100% like OEM unit including UI menu and is plug & play for all car features. Is not Joying brand but is based on same FYT solution. Now i am looking to find a way to root this device.
How bout the nee Belsee 9.0 units? How do they compare? They have a plug and play for the 9th gen accord. Cant find any info on Belsee
yurtesen said:
@surfer63 it is interesting information about 2-3s boot. But why FYT does not have PX6 units? To be honest, right now I am not able to find any PX5 units with fast boot even.
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So is that fast boot a hardware thing or software based?
ricanxd said:
So is that fast boot a hardware thing or software based?
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Both. It is done by the MCU hardware and MCU firmware from FYT. It is not in the android layer. That is only reacting on it.
Px units have a sleep mode and waking up from sleep is instantaneous.
During sleep just few mah are consumed.. so no worries on draining battery
Px u mints have also dsp...did you tried a px with dsp before to be compared with your fyt with dsp?
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ikerg said:
Px units have a sleep mode and waking up from sleep is instantaneous.
During sleep just few mah are consumed.. so no worries on draining battery
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The non-FYT PX units have a sleep mode of 5 minutes to something like 2 hours. Within this time frame they wake up instantanious. After max. 2 hours (or so), they switch off completely and cold-boot again needing 25-45 seconds to get to live again.
The FYT-units, both Intel and PX units, have deep-sleep and a 2-4 seconds wake up (the extra 2-3 seconds due to the MCU). Also after 4-5 days this wake-up is still 2-4 seconds!! And it does not drain your battery. The current is so low that a normal car battery can at least last for 30+ days before reaching 50% load, necessary to be still able to start the car.
That is a huge difference between the FYT units and the non-FYT units.
surfer63 said:
The non-FYT PX units have a sleep mode of 5 minutes to something like 2 hours. Within this time frame they wake up instantanious. After max. 2 hours (or so), they switch off completely and cold-boot again needing 25-45 seconds to get to live again.
The FYT-units, both Intel and PX units, have deep-sleep and a 2-4 seconds wake up (the extra 2-3 seconds due to the MCU). Also after 4-5 days this wake-up is still 2-4 seconds!! And it does not drain your battery. The current is so low that a normal car battery can at least last for 30+ days before reaching 50% load, necessary to be still able to start the car.
That is a huge difference between the FYT units and the non-FYT units.
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That is not true.
Px units (like mtcd) have a unlimited time sleep mode.
Just when detects low voltage of battery they shut down.
I had my px5 5 days on sleep mode without issues and waking up instantaneously
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ikerg said:
That is not true.
Px units (like mtcd) have a unlimited time sleep mode.
Just when detects low voltage of battery they shut down.
I had my px5 5 days on sleep mode without issues and waking up instantaneously
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That is really great to hear. Until now I was really under the impression that only the Joyings did that.
You mention the PX5 (mtcd). Was that also true for the PX3 (mtcb)? I have seen many videos/images where they showed in the Settings this "switch off after xx minutes" (or whatever it was exactly called).
For me that was the only reason to choose a Joying. Cadillac Mike did quite some reviews where he also discussed the mtcd units and the Joying. He specifically mentioned the quick-start of the Joying. Unfortunately he removed all non-Seicane videos from Youtube and now seems to be paid by Seicane (and changed to 5after12 as user name).
And as all mtcd units are compatible: does that mean that what you say is valid for all px5 units?
On my px5 still the Menu allows you to choose between some.time to shut down or auto sleep....if you choose auto sleep...it lasts for days prioritizing the battery of the car as now it has a voltage meter to achieve this
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