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Hi! Chinese phone maker Xiaomi recently launched Xiaomi MiPad, which reportedly is the first tablet PC running on NVIDIA Tegra K1 clocked at 2.2GHz. It has a 7.9-inch IPS screen with QXGA (2048x1536) resolution, 2GB RAM, 16GB/64GB ROM, 128GB external micro SD card support, 2060p video support, and a lot more great features. Complete specs here: http://www.chinatabletreview.com/xiaomi-mipad
It seems very impressive. What are your thoughts about Xiaomi Mi Pad? I wonder how NVIDIA Tegra K1 performs in tablets...
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Hi! Chinese phone maker Xiaomi recently launched Xiaomi MiPad, which reportedly is the first tablet PC running on NVIDIA Tegra K1 clocked at 2.2GHz. It has a 7.9-inch IPS screen with QXGA (2048x1536) resolution, 2GB RAM, 16GB/64GB ROM, 128GB external micro SD card support, 2060p video support, and a lot more great features. Complete specs here: http://www.chinatabletreview.com/xiaomi-mipad
It seems very impressive. What are your thoughts about Xiaomi Mi Pad? I wonder how NVIDIA Tegra K1 performs in tablets...
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If someone makes a generic 4.4 ROM for it, I will buy it.
http://blog.gsmarena.com/nvidia-tegra-k1-benchmarked-aces-tests/
Tegra K1 looks very impressive on those tests. It should translate to the best gaming experience for tablets.
Hunt for this incoming MiPad2 next year (2015), As we know the Xiaomi 's CEO was behind of creator of "cheap but faster stable hardware of beloved nexus 7 legacy"...
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I added myself to that discussion but sincerely nVidia is getting me troubled... zero support, zero news, only "wow" effects...
impressive specs.. This device seems to be very powerfull
Dear all,
I got it, the 64Gb version, Yellow color... I will keep you updated but I guess it will be here not before 2 weeks.
Regards.
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Dear all,
I got it, the 64Gb version, Yellow color... I will keep you updated but I guess it will be here not before 2 weeks.
Regards.
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from what i read the 16gb version is only available first .
be careful you didnt just buy it with an sdcard inserted
where you get yours anyway ?
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where you get yours anyway ?
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Yes, please share when you ordered it from :good:
Hi to everyone!
Yes, of course... I got it from AliExpress, you can check it here: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free...el-Nvdia-Tegra-K1-Quad-Core-2/1916905836.html
The reseller confirmed me the 64Gb but not the color, only White.
@EDIT: After a request of clarification, yes, only 16Gb version is available atm.
I ordered it from xiaomishop.com. Only 16GB white version! Looking forward to the arrival!!
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I ordered it from xiaomishop.com. Only 16GB white version! Looking forward to the arrival!!
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Yes, it is the only version on the market... mine should be send tomorrow!
Will you be able to get the play store and gapps on it I wonder?
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Will you be able to get the play store and gapps on it I wonder?
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We have to look for the rooting but we have all the time to do that... anyway the Amazon store is amazing and a good starting point.
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We have to look for the rooting but we have all the time to do that... anyway the Amazon store is amazing and a good starting point.
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Just a quick update on the Xiaomi Mipad. It has more bugs than I've encountered in any other android device! Some quick observations:
No EXFAT support for microsd cards, it can use NTFS though.
When connecting on the USB2 cable it cannot write or make changes to the external SD card.
Google services and play store can be installed without root access, just use the Xiaomi marketplace, search for google and you will find a google installer that gets the main play store up and running.
Battery life seems hit n miss with wildly inaccurate readings so the device will turn off when there is still plenty power in the battery. Turning it right back on again shows more than 30% power left.
It has some kind of draconic security from Xiaomi that monitors what apks you install even if you sideload apps and will block installations. I tried to install the flash player from UC Browser and it refused and pointed me to the official version from Adobe which is not supported by UC browser.
The physical shape is almost the same as the iPad mini so you can use screen protectors or cases which fit the iPad mini.
No MHL it supports WIDI similar to Intel products for TV out.
The music app is a fail, it only shows All songs/Artists, no other sorting eg albums.
It seems to be quite speedy and I didn't see any stutters in the GUI.
802.11ac 2x2 is supported so upto 866Mbps speeds.
USB OTG is supported out of the box.
Can't find any way to root it right now.
Feel free to chip in if you can find any solutions to these bugs I found. Or if anyone can get it to hardware accelerate Hi10p h264.
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Just a quick update on the Xiaomi Mipad. It has more bugs than I've encountered in any other android device! Some quick observations:
No EXFAT support for microsd cards, it can use NTFS though.
When connecting on the USB2 cable it cannot write or make changes to the external SD card.
Google services and play store can be installed without root access, just use the Xiaomi marketplace, search for google and you will find a google installer that gets the main play store up and running.
Battery life seems hit n miss with wildly inaccurate readings so the device will turn off when there is still plenty power in the battery. Turning it right back on again shows more than 30% power left.
It has some kind of draconic security from Xiaomi that monitors what apks you install even if you sideload apps and will block installations. I tried to install the flash player from UC Browser and it refused and pointed me to the official version from Adobe which is not supported by UC browser.
The physical shape is almost the same as the iPad mini so you can use screen protectors or cases which fit the iPad mini.
No MHL it supports WIDI similar to Intel products for TV out.
The music app is a fail, it only shows All songs/Artists, no other sorting eg albums.
It seems to be quite speedy and I didn't see any stutters in the GUI.
802.11ac 2x2 is supported so upto 866Mbps speeds.
USB OTG is supported out of the box.
Can't find any way to root it right now.
Feel free to chip in if you can find any solutions to these bugs I found. Or if anyone can get it to hardware accelerate Hi10p h264.
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Kantara, it looks like a battlefield... but let me say congratulations! Mine is still not arrived but can you kindly do some screenshots? What's about the display? Anyway the K1 is a powerful platform we have only to wait and trust in nVidia as for sure the community is Snapdragon oriented.
I am wondering about only 1 thing- what about the Heat when using @ maximum performance under heavy load?
I just got Tablet with Tegra4 and I can get burn from the tablet (60C+), Nvidia chips are always Hot .
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Kantara, it looks like a battlefield... but let me say congratulations! Mine is still not arrived but can you kindly do some screenshots? What's about the display? Anyway the K1 is a powerful platform we have only to wait and trust in nVidia as for sure the community is Snapdragon oriented.
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It's charging right now, what screenshots do you want me to include? From memory the screen looks like the one one from the iPad mini, viewing angles are good. Auto brightness is not well calibrated though. K1 is nice on paper but unless more designs use it then Nvidia will just ignore us like they did with the first 4 Tegras.
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It's charging right now, what screenshots do you want me to include? From memory the screen looks like the one one from the iPad mini, viewing angles are good. Auto brightness is not well calibrated though. K1 is nice on paper but unless more designs use it then Nvidia will just ignore us like they did with the first 4 Tegras.
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Thanks, I see the comparative with the iPad mini but you are one of us not a "press editor" and it is very different... anyway, can you run some benchmark when done as well give us your impression for browsing and video playback?
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Thanks, I see the comparative with the iPad mini but you are one of us not a "press editor" and it is very different... anyway, can you run some benchmark when done as well give us your impression for browsing and video playback?
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LOL I agree, if I had to review it as a member of the press I'd cry! Seriously though the screen is likely the same as the iPad mini, I see the same muddy reds when compared to my HTC M8. I'll try and get some benchmarks on Antutu tmw when it's charged up. Video playback is a hit n miss right now as MXplayer crashes 50% of the time when I start a video. From my brief time on it when it worked it was just as fluid as the S801 on the HTC M8 or the Galaxy S5 using HW or HW+.
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Oh one more bug, 3rd party widgets do not get refreshed after powering down and back on. I need to remove then and re add them to show any information eg Gmail or WIFI manager.
Charging using a Galaxy S4 2A wall charger and the charge current seems to be between 1 - 1.4A. The supplied charger is rated at 2A but I'm hesitant to use it as it has the wrong plug for my country.
After all the hype this past summer about Android TV powered by NVidia I spent the last half of 2014 keeping my eyes peeled for Android TV news. Then the release of the Nexus with atom/vr was a big disappointment! Now of all things Razer which I thought for sure would use NVidia goes for Qualcomm another disappointment! There is the upcoming Snail Games OBox which looks interesting but does not appear to be Android TV based? Am I the only one who would like a K1 or for that matter X1 powered box? Yes I admit I am a NVidia fan I can notice graphics that come from NVidia colors are different just personal choice.
Contrary to what most of you here enjoy(Mods, Sideloading, etc.) these things should be a choice not something that has to be done to make the system work for such things as storage for games? I currently own FireTV, Madcatz Mojo, Ouya, ADT1 and it seems to me that android still has a way to go before it truely is ready for the living room out of the box? The issue is difficult one player has HBO Go while the other can load apps and Kodi I have been searching for that box that can do all of this DAY 1 ? I am getting older and while I enjoy reading this forum and all the talent it contains I just don't have the energy to perform all these mods just to get what I consider to be that perfect box that just works when you plug it in:victory:?
Very true. I'd consider myself an Android "enthusiast" and got the original Logitech Google TV and then the Sony Google TV. Big disappointments! The Nexus Player is great when compared to those two, but I'm only using it for games right now. The Roku 3 is still superior in terms of media consumption - at least in my eyes.
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After all the hype this past summer about Android TV powered by NVidia I spent the last half of 2014 keeping my eyes peeled for Android TV news. Then the release of the Nexus with atom/vr was a big disappointment! Now of all things Razer which I thought for sure would use NVidia goes for Qualcomm another disappointment! There is the upcoming Snail Games OBox which looks interesting but does not appear to be Android TV based? Am I the only one who would like a K1 or for that matter X1 powered box? Yes I admit I am a NVidia fan I can notice graphics that come from NVidia colors are different just personal choice.
Contrary to what most of you here enjoy(Mods, Sideloading, etc.) these things should be a choice not something that has to be done to make the system work for such things as storage for games? I currently own FireTV, Madcatz Mojo, Ouya, ADT1 and it seems to me that android still has a way to go before it truely is ready for the living room out of the box? The issue is difficult one player has HBO Go while the other can load apps and Kodi I have been searching for that box that can do all of this DAY 1 ? I am getting older and while I enjoy reading this forum and all the talent it contains I just don't have the energy to perform all these mods just to get what I consider to be that perfect box that just works when you plug it in:victory:?
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While I don`t disagree with you, you can wait forever for the latest hardware or UI. There will always be a better chip or box just around the corner and that next release of code is coming any day now. The way I look at it is we are at about gen 1-2 of these devices (I have had a couple already) with a few more to go. You can either sit on the sidelines for another 1-2 years or understand the limitations of what you are getting and play with it. Remember Android TV was released less than a year ago and has some growing up to do. The alternative is a stock Android OS, which requires customization.
I have the NP and think the specs are reasonable for the cost I paid. I could pay to play for all the google services, or tinker (as I have) and install Kodi and a bunch of other apps.
The only problem with your strategy is that in order to get a turn key solution with no tinkering, it will likely come from your friendly cable or IPTV provider with an additional subscription fee.
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While I don`t disagree with you, you can wait forever for the latest hardware or UI. There will always be a better chip or box just around the corner and that next release of code is coming any day now. The way I look at it is we are at about gen 1-2 of these devices (I have had a couple already) with a few more to go. You can either sit on the sidelines for another 1-2 years or understand the limitations of what you are getting and play with it. Remember Android TV was released less than a year ago and has some growing up to do. The alternative is a stock Android OS, which requires customization.
I have the NP and think the specs are reasonable for the cost I paid. I could pay to play for all the google services, or tinker (as I have) and install Kodi and a bunch of other apps.
The only problem with your strategy is that in order to get a turn key solution with no tinkering, it will likely come from your friendly cable or IPTV provider with an additional subscription fee.
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Your so right, Its a never ending cycle with new products all the time. It just seems in this case you either have a good OS with ahhhh...specs! , or great specs with terrible software (example: Madcatz Mojo). My worst habit is I shop by specs which gets expensive:silly:
I dont mind spending $$$ for a box but even then the market is bare save PS4 or Xbox....maybe Tivo? Looking forward to a true Android Game Console...Storage and all!
I'm definitely keeping my eyes on the Obox!
If I have to wait, wait I shall. Lol!
Could someone please advise me here.
In terms of longevity of use, lowest cost to own, and performance.
I currently have a Amazon firetv stick. I have been on the fence about buying a game controller as it's $40.
I have seen many ADT-1s sell on eBay for less than $100 with a remote and game controller. It is my understanding that the memory on the adt1 is superior to the nexus player.
However I don't want to buy something that down the road won't be supported. My roku 2xd still works and gets updated. But once I used my firetv stick I was hooked on speed.
I prefer Google devices and love my Nexus 7 2013. It has lots of support too.
Bottom line, and sorry for taking over, but could someone advise me on if I'd be better buying a Nexus Player or adt-1. FYI I'm not a gamer and don't play them often. I prefer my NES and n64. In fact I'd probably love using n64/nes/snes/gbaoid on one of these android tv devices lol.
What's the best for long term stability?
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/2jlz3z/the_developer_adt1_vs_the_nexus_player_vs_amazon/
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jfriend33 said:
Could someone please advise me here.
In terms of longevity of use, lowest cost to own, and performance.
I currently have a Amazon firetv stick. I have been on the fence about buying a game controller as it's $40.
I have seen many ADT-1s sell on eBay for less than $100 with a remote and game controller. It is my understanding that the memory on the adt1 is superior to the nexus player.
However I don't want to buy something that down the road won't be supported. My roku 2xd still works and gets updated. But once I used my firetv stick I was hooked on speed.
I prefer Google devices and love my Nexus 7 2013. It has lots of support too.
Bottom line, and sorry for taking over, but could someone advise me on if I'd be better buying a Nexus Player or adt-1. FYI I'm not a gamer and don't play them often. I prefer my NES and n64. In fact I'd probably love using n64/nes/snes/gbaoid on one of these android tv devices lol.
What's the best for long term stability?
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/2jlz3z/the_developer_adt1_vs_the_nexus_player_vs_amazon/
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In my opinion, you should get either of these 3:
Mad Catz Mojo Tegra 4
Kepler GPU
£120
Razor Forge TV Snapdragon 805
Adreno 420 GPU
£100
Snail Games Obox Tegra X1
Kepler GPU
£150
Other consoles like Amazon fire TV, Ouya all have outdated specs and you will get a lot better quality with what I mentioned above.
Look up each console and decide what you want.
I personally, want an Obox for the raw power of the X1 soc.
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In my opinion, you should get either of these 3:
Mad Catz Mojo Tegra 4
Kepler GPU
£120
Razor Forge TV Snapdragon 805
Adreno 420 GPU
£100
Snail Games Obox Tegra X1
Kepler GPU
£150
Other consoles like Amazon fire TV, Ouya all have outdated specs and you will get a lot better quality with what I mentioned above.
Look up each console and decide what you want.
I personally, want an Obox for the raw power of the X1 soc.
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Very cool I will look into them. Almost bought the Madcatz ctrlr for my firetv stick. Lots of good reviews.
What do you think about this :
http://m.geekbuying.com/ItemDescription/336181
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Very cool I will look into them. Almost bought the Madcatz ctrlr for my firetv stick. Lots of good reviews.
What do you think about this :
http://m.geekbuying.com/ItemDescription/336181
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It looks good, I'm not really a fan of mediatek chipsets though. But for £100 it's an OK price.
I've been considering new tablets, and honestly the Shield Tablet has the features I want and I'm able to get one for $250, which seems reasonable. But I'm just wondering if it's still worth it as the it is a year old. How does it compare to newer devices?
If you're primarily going to be using it for gaming, there isn't a better tablet out there. The tablet is a steal for $250. The latest official update really makes the tablet shine and the custom rom called "Blisspop" even makes the device that much better in terms of performance. You won't regret getting one.
Well at the moment there are not many tablets that are faster (maybe even no faster) than this tablet.
Antutu scores are one of the highest even compared with the latest phones.
So speedwise it is still top notch and tablets that maybe come close you have to pay double the price for compared to a shield.
The 32Gb with Lte is unbeaten for that price.
I bought the 32GB LTE version in July, because an LTE tablet anywhere close to the Shield in terms of specs/screen etc. would have been ~$150 more.
Despite the battery recall issue, I'm satisfied with it. My (original) unit has been working perfectly and is very smooth with Lillipop 5.1 (the 3.1 OTA).
I should be receiving my replacement tomorrow, according to UPS. Presuming it doesn't have a defect, I'm looking forward to settling in. I never bothered to settle in on the old tablet (automatic actions, power saving stuff, that kind of thing) since I found out about the recall shortly after buying it, and didn't bother to fine tune it.
I recommend the tablet as an LTE device in the US, though if I didn't need the LTE connectivity probably there might be better values in wifi only (I'm not a gamer, so other tablets could meet my needs... but there are relatively few 8" LTE tablets without permanently locked bootloaders here).
Marc
The problem of the tablet is really the processor that is getting old pretty quick (don't know exactly it's true performance), but nowadays everything coming out is already being 8 cores at 2 ghz or more.
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But they are often not faster. Gpu of the shield is very fast maybe the fastest around at the moment. The SOC is still one of the fastest around and it is just on the market for 1 year so not that old.
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Where can you even buy one of these? In Canada every single place is sold out and saying they won't stock them again. The used market can't find for under $500 either.
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Where can you even buy one of these? In Canada every single place is sold out and saying they won't stock them again. The used market can't find for under $500 either.
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Checkout swappa.com
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Checkout swappa.com
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There is nothing there for it.
M3drvr said:
There is nothing there for it.
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https://swappa.com/buy/nvidia-shield-tablet-wifi
its the non-lte, 16 gb version
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https://swappa.com/buy/nvidia-shield-tablet-wifi
its the non-lte, 16 gb version
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And there are no listings.... Useless.
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And there are no listings.... Useless.
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Its something on your end then
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Its something on your end then
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No. It's just that there are none...
There seem to be two of them for sale at that link when I go to it. One for $290, one for $320, both advertised as new (resale). Probably you're just filtering by Canadian sellers, based on your picture. Lots of folks in US won't ship outside the US, so no big deal that they aren't showing up for you.
Best of luck finding one!
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There seem to be two of them for sale at that link when I go to it. One for $290, one for $320, both advertised as new (resale). Probably you're just filtering by Canadian sellers, based on your picture. Lots of folks in US won't ship outside the US, so no big deal that they aren't showing up for you.
Best of luck finding one!
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Yeah my question was basically how to get one to Canada that's under $500. Impossible! Cheapest I've found is on eBay shipped for $530 for 16gb model no accessories.
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But they are often not faster. Gpu of the shield is very fast maybe the fastest around at the moment. The SOC is still one of the fastest around and it is just on the market for 1 year so not that old.
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The thing is that there aren't much AAA games to play in the shield, it's a good device more for the extra nvidia stuff.
I'm waiting for Borderlands 2 for a damn long time, but it never comes, and I don't even know if it runs on the device with good performance or if it's just for the Shield TV.
More impressive are some cheap windows tablets that for around 350€ can even run Battlefield 3 on low to mid.
Now with DX12 and tons of compatibility tablets might go more for windows again.
In fact I'm not liking much android, not a single game like the good old C&C Red alert 2, boot takes almost 2 times longer than my wind 10 PC, some websites stop working, multitasking is a joke since we can't even play a youtube music while doing anything else...
ps: Also in most performance tests we see other tablets ahead of Shield, so I don't think anything is actually that much optimized for it, not even most tegra games.
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My Shield Tablet LTE topped my Nexus 9's scores on Antutu plus the Shield gaming is great to have. Let's not forget about the SD slot and the mini HDMI port on top either. This tablet still destroys everything else (even most phones) a year later. I really mine because it has a stylus and no dumb Samsung home button like their Tablet S/S2 does. Its hard to find a good tablet these days yet the Shield holds its ground and doesn't seem to lose any performance over time. I like playing Half Life 2 on it or DOOM 3 especially when I travel. Its nice to have a tablet which can play nice games too even though that's not its primary purpose for me.
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The thing is that there aren't much AAA games to play in the shield, it's a good device more for the extra nvidia stuff.
I'm waiting for Borderlands 2 for a damn long time, but it never comes, and I don't even know if it runs on the device with good performance or if it's just for the Shield TV.
More impressive are some cheap windows tablets that for around 350â?¬ can even run Battlefield 3 on low to mid.
Now with DX12 and tons of compatibility tablets might go more for windows again.
In fact I'm not liking much android, not a single game like the good old C&C Red alert 2, boot takes almost 2 times longer than my wind 10 PC, some websites stop working, multitasking is a joke since we can't even play a youtube music while doing anything else...
ps: Also in most performance tests we see other tablets ahead of Shield, so I don't think anything is actually that much optimized for it, not even most tegra games.
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Those cheap windows tablets also use Intel chips in most cases plus Windows an as OS handles things differently than Android does. I agree that there aren't many great games but the ones they do have are fun in my opinion. I have the Shield TV as well and I play all kinds of games including emulators without any issues. My i7 Samsung Ultra book probably can't handle some of the games the Shield can then again I haven't tried. I'm not a big PC gamer but I do know the GPU isn't that great in most Windows tablets/ultrabooks. Android M fixes a lot of the productivity issues and adds multi window and I'm sure Nvidia is working on it now anyway. They tend to lush updates out promptly in most cases unless there's a big issue.
I haven't seen another tablet have better gaming performance than he Shield or Nexus 9 since hwy share a GPU yet use different CPU's. My Nexus 6's SD805 doesn't come close to he 3D score that the tablet does but on Marshmallow it does get a nice ~1500 pt boost likely from the optimization in it. I can imagine the same will occur in the Shield Tablet but we won't know until Nvidia releases it.
I'm not saying the Shield is the best fit everyone but it is a great tablet if you are in the market for a LTE enabled 8in tablet thats fast, runs near stock Android and has nice games for it.
Most of those BEST Nvidia Shield games coming soon are old and I finished them already. (RES5, Half Life, Borderlands, Doom...).
The thing is, you get a good device, but you will probably end playing most games that your phone already can play maxed out.
Other thing is Nvidia blahblahblah says it's more powerful than a X360 GPU, but then most games have a little lag and nothing, but really nothing made to the android yet comes close to most X360\PS3 gameplay\physics (they just look good, but plays like crap).
Then it's my 4th Nvidia shield all are defective and the last one needs to go to RMA again.
I never had an android device, so I wanted to try it, with my experience is just a god damn bugged SO worst than windows.
Also I got sad with the strategy games and how nothing on the android thousand of games even come close to Command and Conquer Red Alert II from like 2000
My opinion:
GOOD:
- hardware Performance;
- Sound;
- has it's own wireless gamepad;
- Nvidia software + remote pc play (button mapping already in the tablet, no need to root 4 that);
- More games than other android devices;
BAD:
- Android is not really optimized;
- Not much AAA games:
- Nothing like C&C, age of empires, Skyrim........ (most games are very cheap copies of good games, but look like a 2003 game);
- In the real world, performance is not as big as nvidia make you think (best phones now probably have better performance, like Samsung S6 which is a lot more little and doesn't come close to having more than a hundred cores like this nvidia);
- Screen quality is not that awesome, it is a High resolution LCD, but nothing special besides that. It doesn't get any close to samsung phone's\tablet amoled screens;
- Battery doesn't last much either;
I actually think that something like that made for DX12 and wind 10 would probably get almost twice the performance than on the actual android OS. At least I saw some people playing BF3 on dell cheap 1 year old tablets that cost basically the same as this nvidia shield. Nowadays with DX12 and Wind 10 soon may be a new era for tablets (it seems windows based hardware have more performance per price than android devices). At least I never seen any 300€ android tablet playing anything close to a BF3 which is years ahead in gameplay + physics than any android game I ever seen\played until now.
ps: If it was today I would buy a ~350€ DELL wind tablet that can even play BF3 (guess what? No need to Root for anything as you own everything already and can update\mod everything).
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As mentioned in another thread, Lenovo quietly refreshed the Tab 3 Pro with 4GB RAM, a newer Intel m5 processor, and 64GB storage, FWIW. Stacking it up against the Tab 3 Plus (3GB RAM, Snapdragon 8-core, 32GB), so far a lot is speculation or anecdata.
My main questions, to put the TL;DR at the top:
How does the Plus perform out of the box, before doing any XDA magic on it? Have the audio sync issues been fixed? A Lenovo rep has been quoted saying they have been fixed.
How do these two CPUs compare? I've seen speculation that Android and/or certain apps may not be as well optimized for Intel chips, even if the m5 is otherwise more capable.
I'm strongly considering one of these two, probably the Pro. Most people, just shopping for a good tablet, will probably go with the Plus. It's currently $200 cheaper (40%), and that price point for the display and speaker quality, along with dat battery, is unquestionably a good deal. The Plus has some OOBE issues: A/V sync (possibly fixed), encryption lag, some questionable display "enhancements." But, it also has at least one dev here at XDA who has fixed all of the above and provided root, at least for the WiFi only model available in the US.
I've only had credible feedback from two different people regarding the new Pro, but word is performance is solid. Both people had the old 2GB Pro long enough to try out, and found it barely usable due to encryption lag and low RAM, and both say the new Pro is not the fastest tablet they've ever used, but has no real issues. It's probably underperforming for its hardware, but the hardware is strong enough you won't notice. Which is good, because it may never have dev support here, or not until the price drops significantly (though who knows, XDA has surprised me before).
What it probably comes down to is whether you want that projector. The projector isn't all you get for $200 - there are also small spec bumps across the board, and double the onboard storage - but if you don't have a realistic use for the projector, it would be hard to justify the extra cost. The real world performance difference between the Pro and Plus is probably not large, and may even fall in the Plus's favor if some apps have trouble with the Intel CPU (not at all verified). For me, the projector looks like it will make a serviceable bedroom TV, and probably a more comfortable solution than any of my options for getting a flatscreen in my room. The 480p will probably be inadequate for throwing comic books up on the wall (and certainly not on par with that 2HD screen), but I would give it a try.
For me, the bedroom TV prospect is one of the things pushing me over that "Do I really need a new tablet..." line. My Nook HD+ used to get a lot of use, but has been collecting dust for 2-3 years in favor of a good desktop and smartphone, and a Kindle Paperwhite taking over book duty. Now, is it not getting used because it's old and slow, or is it not getting used because I don't have much use for it?
Feedback on the new Pro is sparse, so if you have one in your hands, please let us know about it.
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A Lenovo rep has been quoted saying they have been fixed.
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Where did you see this?
kayakyakr said:
Where did you see this?
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In the aforementioned thread:
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Was talking to a Lenovo Sales Rep on their online chat system about the audio sync issue and she was saying they have "received information that all issues have been fixed." I asked her to be specific about the audio sync issue and she confirmed they were told the audio sync issue has been fixed. Any idea if this is true or was she just saying what she thought I wanted to hear?
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Also in the comments of a recent Amazon review, someone stating he was not having these issues on a newly purchased Plus, though I don't know if the problem was universal. Again, nothing solid, and I would love to hear from others with a stock Plus.
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In the aforementioned thread:
Also in the comments of a recent Amazon review, someone stating he was not having these issues on a newly purchased Plus, though I don't know if the problem was universal. Again, nothing solid, and I would love to hear from others with a stock Plus.
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I wouldn't trust either of those sources until we start to see OTA updates coming out from Lenovo fixing the issues. The Amazon user is not a power user while the different arms of Lenovo don't seem to know what the other is doing.
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I wouldn't trust either of those sources until we start to see OTA updates coming out from Lenovo fixing the issues. The Amazon user is not a power user while the different arms of Lenovo don't seem to know what the other is doing.
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Yep, that's why I'm asking. All the info on Amazon (regarding these two devices) is pretty useless.
Is it normal for there to be such limited reviews/information for Lenovo Tablets?! Really want to buy it, but just want to know more! haha.
There are a decent number of YouTube reviews of the previous Pro, and a couple non-English ones for this model, but Lenovo made zero publicity about the new model and didn't even give it a new name. Here's some info I got from someone on YouTube, for what it's worth:
Taosaur: I'm hoping the spec bump on the new model gets around some of the performance issues.
YouTuber: can confirm. I actually bought the new version to test it out! Loved it so much that that I sold my iPad lmao. No lag at all really
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Taosaur: Thanks for the feedback! It doesn't seem like Lenovo's much interested in people knowing the new model exists. Do you ever pull out the projector? I've been surprised how positive the feedback has been on a pretty dim 480p projector.
YouTuber: Yes I do! It's very great to seeing movies on it rather than the screen because of the size. Especially because I have a big white wall in my bedroom. The one issue I've come across with this tablet is that every battery capacity app states I have 4300 MAH battery. Less than half of 10200... however I recently learned I'm not the only one experiencing this and the battery capacity thing seems to only be a glitch. I get around 8-9 hours of screen on time with about an hour of projector use included in that so it's still pretty good
Taosaur: I don't suppose you've tried the projector with comic books? I'm guessing the resolution wouldn't make it a great experience, and the 2HD screen would be better regardless, but I'm sure I'll try it if I end up pulling the trigger. Any idea if the Hoopla Digital app works on this tablet? It's a an app for borrowing digital comics and other media with a library card. It's not compatible with my current tablet running CyanogenMod Nougat.
YouTuber: I just tested a comic and it seems to work fine. I'm sure the projector would be fine with comic books in the pitch black for sure. I just tested that app for ya and it opens just fine. I don't have a hoopla account though so I didn't get past the login screen.
I gotta say he projector is really nice for movie watching. One thing I gotta mention is... The blacks in the display aren't that good... The blacks have a blueish tone to it. I wish it was an amoled display. Still the colors are quite vibrant. Also the screen gets REALLY bright and also gets REALLY dim. Great for daytime use and night use. I tried the pixel c and it wasn't dim enough so it hurt my eyes at night
But that makes the projector all the nicer to use. After using the projector to watch the walking dead, it's hard to go back to the screen for movie watching haha. Seems so small in comparison. It's really amazing having it in such a small package. Especially as the projector is totally fanless and never needs replacement bulbs.
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And I did pull the trigger a couple days ago, so I should have the Pro sometime tomorrow :fingers-crossed: I'll let you know what I think.
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There are a decent number of YouTube reviews of the previous Pro, and a couple non-English ones for this model, but Lenovo made zero publicity about the new model and didn't even give it a new name. Here's some info I got from someone on YouTube, for what it's worth:
And I did pull the trigger a couple days ago, so I should have the Pro sometime tomorrow :fingers-crossed: I'll let you know what I think.
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Awesome, thanks for posting that convo between you and the YouTuber. Would definitely like to hear you own experience with it.. I likely would just get the Plus version, as I don't see myself using the projector enough to justify the significantly higher price tag here in Canada. Hoping the 3gb ram is good enough for me to just use it as a media tablet, won't be a whole lot of multi-tasking. :fingers-crossed:
I have the 4gb pro and its really good. I had the 2gb pro and it was terrible due to the RAM issue. The 4gb has no such issues. I am still considering returning and getting the 3gb 10.1 inch plus version though. It's $200 less, I dont need the projector, 3gb of ram should be enough to solve the issues of the 2gb pro and 4gb is probably overkill on the new pro. A few things are holding me back from making the change.
The audio sync issue is obviously a huge concern since I use the tablet for media consumption exclusively. Also, there is not a lot of info on how much different the 2 majorly different cpu's are intel vs snapdragon. While the intel cpu is better on paper as its been mentioned the snapdragon has much better overall android optimization due to being so ubiquitous. Also can anyone confirm if the 3gb snapdragon has quick charge? The intel version does and its fanstastic.
My Pro showed up Monday, and I do like the projector. It may end up my most-used feature, though the screen is also gorgeous. I hang the thing over my bed and project on the opposite wall, which gives at least a 55" image, less sharp but easier on the eyes at night than a backlit LCD. Zen Pinball is my go-to game on a tablet, and it plays great - the stand comes in handy. I wouldn't try to play any detailed games with the projector, but old-school emulators would probably be great, and again, the 2HD display is excellent.
There have been bugs:
I had a one-off sound glitch with the pinball game, getting really distorted sound, but going into Dolby Atmos and switching to game mode fixed it.
"Request failed" toasts kept popping up last night while I was watching Hulu. No clue what they were, but they didn't interrupt playback.
So far I've had no luck pairing the tablet with my phone over bluetooth. They see each other, but give "wrong pin" errors, despite showing the same pin. Both connect fine to my headphones and speaker.
FYI, there are more credible reports showing up on Amazon that a software update has corrected the Plus' A/V sync and "flickering" issues.
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I have the 4gb pro and its really good. I had the 2gb pro and it was terrible due to the RAM issue. The 4gb has no such issues. I am still considering returning and getting the 3gb 10.1 inch plus version though. It's $200 less, I dont need the projector, 3gb of ram should be enough to solve the issues of the 2gb pro and 4gb is probably overkill on the new pro. A few things are holding me back from making the change.
The audio sync issue is obviously a huge concern since I use the tablet for media consumption exclusively. Also, there is not a lot of info on how much different the 2 majorly different cpu's are intel vs snapdragon. While the intel cpu is better on paper as its been mentioned the snapdragon has much better overall android optimization due to being so ubiquitous. Also can anyone confirm if the 3gb snapdragon has quick charge? The intel version does and its fanstastic.
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Have you had any issues with random apps not working? I recently purchased it and cannot get snapchat to work on it for the life of me.
I just bought the plus, I haven't had any audio sync issues thus far and am pretty happy with the overall build quality and performance thus far.
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Have you had any issues with random apps not working? I recently purchased it and cannot get snapchat to work on it for the life of me.
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Everything I've tried on it has worked well. I still get that "request failed" pop up at random times. I can only confirm that Snapchat installs and opens - I'm not about to make an account.
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Everything I've tried on it has worked well. I still get that "request failed" pop up at random times. I can only confirm that Snapchat installs and opens - I'm not about to make an account.
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It opens after a fresh install, I can get to the login/create account screen. But after login it just crashes and crashes when I startup as well.
I have gave up waiting for a modern replacement, no device are like xperia play AFAIK, I absolutely love the idea of sliding mechanism to hide the controller and an ACTUAL integrated controller, it might be a tad pricey but I think it is worth it. I love my psp go too, I really hope Sony revive the Xperia play series :crying:
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I have gave up waiting for a modern replacement, no device are like xperia play AFAIK, I absolutely love the idea of sliding mechanism to hide the controller and an ACTUAL integrated controller, it might be a tad pricey but I think it is worth it. I love my psp go too, I really hope Sony revive the Xperia play series :crying:
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Very unlikely, they let PS vita die and the xplay basically didn't have support and went obsolete really fast cause of the specs and memory. That being said I love it , I had up to 4 xplay at one point, sold them all and kept 1 for emulation. Sad I can't use it as mainly driver
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I have gave up waiting for a modern replacement, no device are like xperia play AFAIK, I absolutely love the idea of sliding mechanism to hide the controller and an ACTUAL integrated controller, it might be a tad pricey but I think it is worth it. I love my psp go too, I really hope Sony revive the Xperia play series :crying:
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apparently a nintendo phone might come out, if they do maybe sony will compete.
Ordered one too
Ordered one today too for €70 from AliExpress probably have to pay another €20 import taxes. I got it especially for emulation and especially especially for Super Mario World hacks as the PSP won't emulate it. I think it's a nicer machine than the handhelds coming out today. Had an Xperia Play about 5 years ago and remember how much i loved it. .. will take about a month i guess before it arrives
HA! ......Got one too yesterday. Trying to find a good guide to free its maximum potential if you know what i mean
EDIT: seems like there is a lot of very good information on this forum
I just recently picked up "refurb" as well. It honestly looks like it could be New old stock, it has no signs of use and came sealed in a Nokia branded shipping container. I can say it has already been an adventure to get everything working. I look forward to putting it through its paces, as I've already ordered a 64gb micro SD card to play around with.
I purchase this phone a few months now back in 2011-2013 this phone is amazing a lot of developers are working and customizing this phone. I watch a lot of video how to root installing custom rom upgrading and tweaking. After installing customizing rom and some experiment I end it up go back to stock firmware. Reason why. Yes it will boost the performance of your phone but it’s not really stable sometimes the functionality of the phone will ruined and end up to boot. This is my personal opinion and experience only. However on stock firmware what you can do is root the device and install CWM it will work fine. I have a lot of hd android games install to my xperia mini pro and Im trying to do the same thing in xperia play.
Using this phone in 2020 is still fine at least for me im not in to online gaming. I use this phone for emulation such as Nes, Snes, Gba, GB Color, Sega genesis, PS1 (not all of the games run smoothly) some HD android HD games and for call and text sometimes Facebook.
I hope Sony the make another phone like Xperia play with controller like this added L.1.2.3 and R. 1.2.3 trigger 2 analog stick. Updated android version. Bigger internal storage 256gb to 1tb will be awesome!!! A card slot up to 1tb, 6gb to 8gb ram, 4000Mah. 20 mega pixel front and back 4” to 5” screen is fine. Chipset Qualcomm Snapdragon 865, CPU Octa-core (1x2.84 GHz Kryo 585 & 3x2.42 GHz Kryo 585 & 4x1.8 GHz Kryo 585) GPU Adreno 650. 3.5mm jack.
I’m kind a crazy after thinking of this spec XD. But hey it will be a perfect phone who love emulation and hd android gaming.