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Disadvantages of rooting?

Hi there, I'm no new to development, but haven't played with a phone in a while.
Can someone please tell me what the disadvantages of rooting the Nexus 6p are?
My plan is to get root access only to use specific apps (eg greenify) but not to install a new ROM, i.e. I'll stay with stock.
Does this affect:
-Applicability of OTA updates from Google
-ability to use the fingerprint reader
-warranty claims
-speed/stability of the device?
Thanks in advance!

qwertyuiop89 said:
Hi there, I'm no new to development, but haven't played with a phone in a while.
Can someone please tell me what the disadvantages of rooting the Nexus 6p are?
My plan is to get root access only to use specific apps (eg greenify) but not to install a new ROM, i.e. I'll stay with stock.
Does this affect:
-Applicability of OTA updates from Google
-ability to use the fingerprint reader
-warranty claims
-speed/stability of the device?
Thanks in advance!
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-OTA are not possible when rooted. You have to flash back stock boot.img and recovery.img to accept an OTA.
-It does not interfere with Nexus Imprint (Fingerprint reader.)
-Does not affect speed or stability
-Warranty is not affected because you can flash stock imgs and relock bootloader.

You can take OTA's if you do the systemless-root. I believe you would have to flash the recovery back to stock, though.

I think you have to flash boot as well since it's modified.

the biggest disadvantage is your device become instantly awesome, so if you are used to being annoyed about the stock OS missing features this is hard to deal with
But honestly the best thing about owning a nexus is you can root and easily go back to stock if you change your mind. The flash images are also easily available for updates (even before the OTA is out). So play with it, and worst case you can always restore back to stock.

currently my only disadvantage to me is loosing android pay...
yea i know i can make it work if i delete /su/xbin... but i feel like its there for a reason and i shouldnt be deleting it.

chaco81 said:
currently my only disadvantage to me is loosing android pay...
yea i know i can make it work if i delete /su/xbin... but i feel like its there for a reason and i shouldnt be deleting it.
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Supersu 2.61 does systemless root ootb. No need to delete anything. Systemless root will just work and Android Pay will just work.

83097markcynt said:
Supersu 2.61 does systemless root ootb. No need to delete anything. Systemless root will just work and Android Pay will just work.
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i have been using systemless root since v 2.61... im using 2.66 now
and android pay didnt work, and even wont pass safetynet test
delete the /su/xbin folder and it passes safetynet and android pay works...
so yes, for me it sucks that i have delete that to make AP to work... which is why for now i am giving up AP since i dont feel comfortable deleting xbin and breaking stuff

Mine passes safetynet test and is just systemless with nothing deleted. No Android Pay in the UK to test it with though.

Not being awesome.

Not living in the exciting XDA fast lane!

Can I use Xposed with systemless root?

Thanks for the replies everyone - that was very helpful. I've gone ahead and installed three sustemless root, and installed xposed too, leaving the rom itself untouched as stock.
However, my system is disappointingly buggy. Apps keep crashing. Is this common? I thought this was supposed to be a stable/safe thing to do!

dimiboy said:
Can I use Xposed with systemless root?
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Yes mate you can works perfectly well
Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk

qwertyuiop89 said:
Thanks for the replies everyone - that was very helpful. I've gone ahead and installed three sustemless root, and installed xposed too, leaving the rom itself untouched as stock.
However, my system is disappointingly buggy. Apps keep crashing. Is this common? I thought this was supposed to be a stable/safe thing to do!
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lol this seems to happen when you root and install Xposed or pretty much modify anything. Usually I see a decrease in stability and battery life but an increase in performance, and you get to play with new features early.
I'm contemplating rooting just to use the new launcher.

qwertyuiop89 said:
Thanks for the replies everyone - that was very helpful. I've gone ahead and installed three sustemless root, and installed xposed too, leaving the rom itself untouched as stock.
However, my system is disappointingly buggy. Apps keep crashing. Is this common? I thought this was supposed to be a stable/safe thing to do!
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You have a couple of things going on.
First root IS as safe as you let it be. If you haven't installed any root applications it should not be any more buggy than stock.
You have installed Xposed. You have not mentioned what modules you have.
I don't have any issues you describe but I don't have a lot of modules installed.
I am stock with Xposed and root.

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Looking for SafetyNet bypass

I have a friend who plays Ingress who I got interested in custom ROMs. I'm glad to see that the Verizon Note 3 forum is still alive and kicking. He's still on stock 4.4.2.
Here's the problem: There are some rumors that, since Ingress is being rebuilt with Unity, Ingress 2.0 will come with SafetyNet free of charge. I'm sure we all know by now how notorious Niantic is for fighting this kind of thing, so I'd rather not have him go through the trouble if it becomes true. Are there any ROMs/kernels with the SafetyNet patch available for this device?
He isn't looking to root, so there's no Magisk fiddling or anything like that happening. Just the modified /system.
Is anyone running a custom ROM here that is passing SafetyNet?
Thanks for your time.

Bump, is anyone able to answer this? Surely there are users who own Note 3s attempting to bypass SafetyNet.

Bump? Last time I'm bumping it.

Gear VR and other apps post root?

I was wondering if anyone else out there is having these issues or knows a work around for them
basically can't install gear vr, amazon prime video, netflix, etc
not sure if I need a root hider or custom rom to fix?
granted I'm still working through getting xposed working correctly, last I saw it was having problems with nougat but apparently someone's figured a way
So this thread is for discussing sideloads and getting apps working under root
My first thought is it'll probably go down a lot like snapchat, disable install everything re-enable

I have the G955U1. Rooted following both steps in the [ROOT]G955U/G9551U thread. Then, doing a search in the same thread, Post #744 has the fix for Netflix. My Hulu, Snapchat and Gear VR also work just fine (don't know if it's because of the Netflix fix too). I have not found a working exposed yet for this model phone. Maybe you should try the whole root process again?
biotoxin said:
I was wondering if anyone else out there is having these issues or knows a work around for them
basically can't install gear vr, amazon prime video, netflix, etc
not sure if I need a root hider or custom rom to fix?
granted I'm still working through getting xposed working correctly, last I saw it was having problems with nougat but apparently someone's figured a way
So this thread is for discussing sideloads and getting apps working under root
My first thought is it'll probably go down a lot like snapchat, disable install everything re-enable
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luderbeck1 said:
I have the G955U1. Rooted following both steps in the [ROOT]G955U/G9551U thread. Then, doing a search in the same thread, Post #744 has the fix for Netflix. My Hulu, Snapchat and Gear VR also work just fine (don't know if it's because of the Netflix fix too). I have not found a working exposed yet for this model phone. Maybe you should try the whole root process again?
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problem with xposed is mostly with android 7 (nougat) itself, but there's a work around and it seems to function, but it's both unstable and some modules just don't work
edit: functions *conditionally* for androids via magisk, not stating s8 validation as of yet
https://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/xposed-android-nougat-sdk-25-arm64-t3639221
thanks for the info about getting these apps working though

biotoxin said:
problem with xposed is mostly with android 7 (nougat) itself, but there's a work around and it seems to function, but it's both unstable and some modules just don't work
edit: functions *conditionally* for androids via magisk, not stating s8 validation as of yet
https://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/xposed-android-nougat-sdk-25-arm64-t3639221
thanks for the info about getting these apps working though
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I have Xposed running now and so far the modules I'm using are working fine.

animal crossing on rooted phone?

I have a T-Mobile snapdragon s8 rooted and I can't play animal crossing because it detects root. I see people using magisk to play but we can't obviously use that method. Does anyone know any other way to get it working short of unrooting?

I don't have an answer for you but I'm in the same boat. I rooted my unlocked US s8 with sampwnd, tried to install animal crossing, nope. I gave up on getting it from Play Store pretty quick so I've been using an apk. It can get through the nintendo link, the initial scene, and the character customization, then shuts itself down. Countless reinstalls of this app. I ended up trying to unroot through the supersu app. Now I'm in an even worse situation: I don't have root, but every app that checks for root thinks I do, so no animal crossing or netflix for me. And I can't open a root adb shell in order to redo the sampwned root without reflashing stock. This weekend when I have more time I'll be reflashing stock and I really hope that works. Root will be worth it when the bootloader can be unlocked, but I can't deal with the missing apps and the 80% battery BS honestly.

Rooted exynos using magisk.batman rom and notorious kernal No special settings. Game working fine. Netflix works as well. Must be something with the way the snapdragon variant is rooted

sparky2029 said:
I have a T-Mobile snapdragon s8 rooted and I can't play animal crossing because it detects root. I see people using magisk to play but we can't obviously use that method. Does anyone know any other way to get it working short of unrooting?
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You can try Xposed+root cloak or one of the other root hide tools there. If its safety net or knox you're outta luck though

dreamertea said:
I don't have an answer for you but I'm in the same boat. I rooted my unlocked US s8 with sampwnd, tried to install animal crossing, nope. I gave up on getting it from Play Store pretty quick so I've been using an apk. It can get through the nintendo link, the initial scene, and the character customization, then shuts itself down. Countless reinstalls of this app. I ended up trying to unroot through the supersu app. Now I'm in an even worse situation: I don't have root, but every app that checks for root thinks I do, so no animal crossing or netflix for me. And I can't open a root adb shell in order to redo the sampwned root without reflashing stock. This weekend when I have more time I'll be reflashing stock and I really hope that works. Root will be worth it when the bootloader can be unlocked, but I can't deal with the missing apps and the 80% battery BS honestly.
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Yea I just uprooted and re flashed stock. I loved having root but it was the same for me, I hated not being able to use apps plus the 80% charging. I was in the oreo beta so its cool I have that at least. Thanks for your reply
Edit: animal crossing is awesome by the way. I love it. Totally worth unrooting for me

partcyborg said:
You can try Xposed+root cloak or one of the other root hide tools there. If its safety net or knox you're outta luck though
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Yea that was the first thing I tried but im pretty sure its safety net

to root or not to root that is the question

So I just got my op6t and I'm conflicted if I should root. I'm under a 2year payment plan (honestly never stopped me in the past). But I have to ask is it worth it on the 6t?

Hi!
Actually there are a lot of things you can do without root your phone, and some others having rooted. Know also that having the MSM Download Tool available here in the forum you can return to fully unrooted/stock your phone at any moment, even if you render it to a non bootable/loopboot status.
Also have in mind that the "worst" part of being rooted is the lose of Widevine L1, so you won't be able to watch HD content in your device using Netflix. This also seems to apply to some banking apps that looks not working detecting rooted devices.
And for the custom roms... well, there are some great around here, but by now no one actually can use the fingerprint scanner to unlock your phone.
I rooted mine when was new released, was the first thing I did. Then I returned to stock a few days later. Didn't make any sense to me be in the root side...

Thank you that helped a lot. I will definitely have to think about root and weigh the pros and cons

No one will know if u root or not. That's the joy of msm. And if u use libcrypto disabler u can still watch in hd.

I would definitely root. Won't hurt.
I wouldn't install a custom rom though. Very disappointing on this device.

I have tried every rom. And Built a few for this device. Tresk mod (Google it, not on xda) it is the best rom. And works farrrr better than oxygen os with this hardware.. there isn't absolutely anything disappointing with it.

fullofhell said:
No one will know if u root or not. That's the joy of msm. And if u use libcrypto disabler u can still watch in hd.
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Hello!
Didn't know about that libcrypto disabler, but I googled and found this in the developer thread:
"Please note that a consequence of using this module is that Widevine DRM will fall back to using L3 instead of L1. This means that Netflix will play all content in SD quality, regardless of your subscription type. Of course, without this module, you won't be able to play anything on a rooted device, so beggars can't be choosers."
Actually that's what happens with the OnePlus 6T, once unlocking the bootloader leads the Widevine DRM to L3, so Netflix only plays SD content.

Just get root with Magisk and disable (hide) any app that disallows root. One of the most important aspects (at least for me) of being root is Titanium Backup and AdAway.

What I would like to know is when the bootloader is unlocked, is the device fully decrypted? Or is the encryption still fully functioning even when bootloader is unlocked and rooted?

oggta said:
What I would like to know is when the bootloader is unlocked, is the device fully decrypted? Or is the encryption still fully functioning even when bootloader is unlocked and rooted?
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Still encrypted, u don't want it decrypted.. security is broken if u do..and has zero benefits like on older phones

I stopped rooting years ago...about android 4.3
Prior to that, even going back to my "pda-phone" days, I use to flash about anything that would come along. My first droid was the Dell Streak 5, then the Galaxy Note 1. Then came droid 4.3 and the Mate 2, which was good and for me, didn't need to be rooted. Now, after work, I rarely pick up the phone unless someone calls me. It's a work "tool" and I just don't bother. Other than Nova Launcher, I just don't screw with them any more.

ducted said:
Hi!
Actually there are a lot of things you can do without root your phone, and some others having rooted. Know also that having the MSM Download Tool available here in the forum you can return to fully unrooted/stock your phone at any moment, even if you render it to a non bootable/loopboot status.
Also have in mind that the "worst" part of being rooted is the lose of Widevine L1, so you won't be able to watch HD content in your device using Netflix. This also seems to apply to some banking apps that looks not working detecting rooted devices.
And for the custom roms... well, there are some great around here, but by now no one actually can use the fingerprint scanner to unlock your phone.
I rooted mine when was new released, was the first thing I did. Then I returned to stock a few days later. Didn't make any sense to me be in the root side...
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Wrong, you can use libcrypto disabler to watch HD videos in Netflix. And custom roms do now have working fingerprints. You can hide root from banking apps since Magisk is systemless.

ebproject said:
Wrong, you can use libcrypto disabler to watch HD videos in Netflix. And custom roms do now have working fingerprints. You can hide root from banking apps since Magisk is systemless.
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Read this about libcrypto disabler from the developer:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/magisk/magisk-liboemcrypto-disabler-drm-t3794393
Notice the last paragraph before the change log.
And for the custom roms having working fingerprint sensor, could you recommend any? I'll like to test some of them.
TY!

ducted said:
Read this about libcrypto disabler from the developer:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/magisk/magisk-liboemcrypto-disabler-drm-t3794393
Notice the last paragraph before the change log.
And for the custom roms having working fingerprint sensor, could you recommend any? I'll like to test some of them.
TY!
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Tresk mod (not on xda) and pixel experience work flawlessly..better than oos

Can we install and use dolby without rooting our phones? if we can plz share something...
Thanks.

Last time I rooted was the Note 4. Didn't care to until Google began handicapping Android more and more. The big one for me is killing call recording. Ironically, Google has been working more to copy iOS, an OS which supports call recording. So they're not copying that part of it.

ducted said:
Read this about libcrypto disabler from the developer:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/magisk/magisk-liboemcrypto-disabler-drm-t3794393
Notice the last paragraph before the change log.
And for the custom roms having working fingerprint sensor, could you recommend any? I'll like to test some of them.
TY!
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Try Skydragon, the battery life is incredible. Best I've ever seen.

I recently reverted back to stock software. As nice as rooting can be, it gets very easy to be addicted to flashing software constantly, and oxygen OS is really the best Android experience these days. My only complaint is the occasional aggressive hibernation in their kernel configuration. But the overall experience is great, and unless you're getting pretty technical on your customizations, stock international software can't be beat!

So if I just convert from T-Mobile to international can I still have hd Netflix?

darkfire2040 said:
So if I just convert from T-Mobile to international can I still have hd Netflix?
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If your bootloader is unlocked, no. Just unlocking the bootloader leads Widevine from L1 (HD content) to L3 (SD content). (This happens only while your bootloader is unlocked, relocking it will raise Widevine to L1 again.)
I don't know if you are using the MSM Tool to convert your phone or if is some sort of rom mix flashed via TWRP, but using MSM tool flashes to stock and then relocks the bootloader, so you will be able to play HD content in Netflix.
You can use any tool like "DevCheck Hardware and System Info" from @flar2 available at the Play Store to check your Widevine level amongst other useful device info.